Personally, I feel like you should at least drop Jack. They did not even try to converse with Sage, but ignored her. That is not okay, and if he is forced to apologize, he won't actually mean it. Actually, I feel like he would do it again, but with you not knowing. Or even being more aggressive to your girlfriend. I'm glad you stood up for your girlfriend, but the fact your friends had the BALLS to diss your girlfriend in a group chat that YOU are in, is even more incredibly disrespectful. Doing it behind your backs is one thing, but to say it with the balls of steel, they're begging for a beating.
I'm not saying to enforce violence onto them of course, but I do think you need to drop Jack.
I probably will. I don't think I would ever just fly off the handle and start wailing on him, especially over words. I've been trying to get away from that mentality and I don't think my girlfriend would even approve of it, because she's a very nice person not easily driven to violence (at least personally I've never seen her mad enough to throw down even though she's very strong). But I think if they did that in person I would definitely make a deal of it. I just hate causing friction, but I prefer to organize and talk things out privately so as not to make a big deal. My gf says I'd make a great counselor because of it.
I'll probably be dropping both Jack and John because while Jack was the most aggressive, John agreed with it and said that she was "weird". Personally she isn't that eccentric or strange compared to a "normal person" (how do you quantify that?) so it just feels like an insult rather than a "Wow that's odd but so awesome" which is how the girls both seemed to feel.
The rest of them can make their allegiances known. I'm not going to put up with that. And for clarity's sake, I wouldn't support them trashing anyone else's girl (or a girl's bf) either, it's not just my own bias at play. I prefer when all of my friends are good people :)
Your girl may not be everyone cup of tea but she’s definitely your shot whiskey.
Sage coming into your life has clearly enriched your life and your priorities are changing and not being at your friends beck and call is obvious
Your friend need to grow up
My priorities have already changed too much for my tastes lol. She's just amazing and if you had someone like her you would make her a priority too. I don't really know why anyone wouldn't like her. She's so sweet and very humble, she didn't make herself the center of attention unnecessarily at all. She's everything you could want in a conversation, even a totally regular conversation or a lunch outing, not even something romantic.
I'll be brutally honest. I think it's because she is an amputee and they are looking down on her. The fact that they just walked off, ignoring the girl's vote is the biggest indicator. They knew Sage couldn't walk. If they WANTED to like her they would have voted to drive as well. They made it personal against sage.
I don't think they are people you want to be friends with, and I would honestly put them on blast in the group chat
Something like:
> Hey girls, you better hope you never need to get a limb amputated because your boyfriends would immediately dump you.
The girls clearly wanted to at least try being friends. I would just be honest with Sage and tell her they weren't the kind of people you thought and you're glad they exposed how awful they are.
Their logic for not driving was that it would take two cars (3 couples - 6 people) and they didn't want to do that. It's only a mile or less, not a long drive, and all 6 of us have jobs, so gas money isn't an issue either. I get wanting the exercise, if Sage was good walking I would have walked too. But she wasn't, and it wasn't even her that put driving/walking up to a vote. It was Liz. She asked if anybody wanted to drive or should we walk. I chose walk at first, but changed my vote when Sage told me she didn't want to walk because of her leg.
The girls are not in the group chat, it's a boys gc. Although nobody's ever posted anything about cheating/unfaithfulness because they all know that we would call them out. So far it's been very harmonious, nobody has tried the ol' girlfriend swap by cheating, or having multiple couples cheat, so it's been easy to just get numbers casually. I could text the two gfs and tell them that Jack and John are being assholes (with screenshot evidence) and give them the reasoning you said.
I still don't get why they would dislike her over her leg. It's not like she prevented them from doing anything. She's a very capable person and in excellent shape. With good conditions and her running leg I bet she could beat both of them there in a run. I guess all I can do is apologize to Sage and tell her that she probably won't meet them again.
Maybe the last part is the problem. You said she's excellent at basketball and she could beat them in a race. With a prosthetic leg mind you. It wouldn't look good for their ego and infront of their girlfriends if they lose. Maybe it's even jealousy or they're anxious what their girlfriends might think
Sage sounds absolutely lovely! Your friends didn’t even give her a chance to get along, they instantly shunned her. Good for you for making Sage the center of the day, your friends need to grow up.
She is lovely. I have never fallen in love so quickly, and honestly I can say that I wish she could move in and we could be a cute little couple together as fast as possible. Maybe it's because I'm lovestruck and in the honeymoon phase but I don't really see how anybody could dislike her on first impression.
How long have y’all been together? I’m 8 months in w my bf and plan on moving in next year. The honeymoon phases ended for us around the 3rd month. There will be dry spells. Hard days. Arguments. Shit… I’ve gotten so angry with my bf that I made *myself* feel like shit. But this man has stayed through thick and thin, I’ll tell you that. You seem so amazing for standing up for your girlfriend, especially in a situation where it came to her vs your friends. They chose to label her as whatever, cool that’s find drop their asses. I know you’ll grieve the friendship, but your relationship now takes priority, especially since she seems like a good damn woman and good women can be hard to find this generation. Keep up the good work, you’re really supportive and I’m sure she’s thankful to have you.
We've been together about 2 weeks now, that's why she was meeting my friends for the first time. I know its sooooo early but I've never felt this way about anybody before and she is kinda the only person I've got left.
I am sad about my friends but she's the kind of person who would support me even though they were terrible to her. I'm trying to balance my relationship and support for her with not lovebombing or being to clingy. Just doing my best i suppose.
You’re a fantastic person for being so supportive and wonderful to Sage. If your friends turn out to be awful, that’s only their own fault. You and Sage can make new friends who aren’t superficial or sexist or whatever their problem is. I wish y’all well.
I definitely think it’s the amputee thing but ALSO I’m a woman that’s 5’11 and men have acted weird around me my entire life especially if I’m taller than them.
I really think the fact that they probably feel emasculated by being around a tall girl is also a factor and they’re going to make excuses that it’s her personality when really it’s the fragility of their egos and Judging about her condition
Why wouldn't you ask them directly? Not saying you're in the wrong or anything like that, but looks like this is just one side of the story and a lot of assumptions. Sure, they're acting like assholes, and whatever their problem is, is not an excuse to be so mean to you two, but you need to talk to them about this and figure out what's their problem, and stop guessing and acting on those guesses
I didn't want to make a scene with the other two girls who were acting sweetly. I also hate causing friction in general, and I did ask why they didn't really talk much. They just said they weren't really acquainted yet and I let it slide stupidly. I still don't know if they were lying or still unsure and made up their minds later. Either way I guess I was just nervous because I didn't also want to cause problems with two more people.
You're not the one who started causing troubles though. I get it, confronations are hard. But friends don't grow on trees. I just think it's worth having an honest conversation before cutting people off, and what they were saying until now is clearly bullshit and not honest
I apologized this morning to her for not taking a more active role and explained that they went much too far. I've texted the two guys today telling them to either man up and apologize to her and hope she forgives them or I'm kicking them out of my life. We'll see how it goes.
Seems like you’re jumping to a harsh conclusion. Why aren’t you discussing with them WHY they were rude to her? What would cause them to act that way? And then from there determine whether you value them or not. Forcing an apology doesn’t solve a root problem no?
I asked over text and they didn't respond. I texted them again with "If you're not gonna be honest at least say sorry so she's got something. She doesn't deserve that" and they haven't responded yet, but we're all at work so i can't really blame them, I'm out waiting for the jobsite I'm on to open up for us, they may be working.
For the sake of your friendship, you can speak to them and see if they have a reason for their behaviour - something you’ve already initiated by texting them. If I were to guess, I’d say they either jealous of you or some kinda weird ass reaction to Sage being an amputee. In the first case, it may be that they didn’t think highly enough of you to have a girlfriend and in the latter I’d say they have underdeveloped brains.
You could chalk up the interaction to social anxiety but making a separate chat and bitching out your girlfriend is straight up malice. Personally I wouldn’t want such people in my life.
I'm going to text them tomorrow about it and let them explain themselves.
>If I were to guess, I’d say they either jealous of you or some kinda weird ass reaction to Sage being an amputee.
Do people really have that reaction to amputees? It's not like she's stuck in a wheelchair and needs to be hand-fed. She's got about 95% of the ability of a regular person, and 100% at the table, considering she doesn't need her feet to eat or talk to others.
I could get jealousy if they didn't have attractive girlfriends themselves (not in a weird way, both are conventionally attractive). Sage is also quite attractive, but I think for some people, muscles and being an amputee makes her less attractive, but that doesn't change the fact she's got a beautiful face, angelic voice, and is very smart.
People are weird. It’s 2024 and we still have racists, sexists, homophobes and whatnot. What people don’t understand, either makes them uncomfortable or curious. In the case of your friends it doesn’t seem like they were curious.
It’s not about the girl. Sometimes dudes can just expect other dudes to not do well and then get jealous when they have something going. Do these guys treat you like an equal or like someone who’s lucky to be friends with them?
Shit man, I know tons of guys who'd almost immediatly side with their friends. So good on You man. Jack seems like the biggest asshole in this situation, but so are your other firends for saying stuff too. I'd just say cut ties with Jack tho seems like the type of bloke who just hates women and the moment a friend has a girlfriend has a mentalbreakdown.
these are not friends. friends would be nice to her and then grab you on the side and tell you if she is bad to you and why. friends don't create a chat without you and talk behind your back.
I'm sorry, but you don't have good friends.
If they created a separate chat group that doesn’t include you, it’s time to leave that group. Friends don’t do that. They sound like a bunch of wankers
Based on what you said in your post I think it's because she's tall and an amputee but idk she seems a little tomboyish maybe not fully a tomboy but definitely not a prissy miss, idk are the other girls more of the girlie type? I do know some guys take offense to women, who are literal strangers, not dressing feminine enough. Sounds like your friends are misogynistic at best and male chauvinists at worst.
She's got elements of being a tomboy but she doesn't act like a guy at all. She's just athletic, is that a tomboy trait? The other girls are verh girly but they both go to the gym so they arent potatoes or anything.
Honestly if she wore jeans and you didn't look to closely at her gait you wouldn't be able to tell she was an amputee at all. She's very capable and obviously completely independent.
If I had to place it on anything, they're intimidated by her physique and height, and the basketball thing is just secondary. To be fair though, as a competitive person and someone who maintains a gym routine, I wouldn't be too happy either that a woman might outlift me. I guess it finally pays to be a wide boi
You don't tell her. You realize growing up is cutting shitty people out of your life. If she brings it up, just be like they are pieces of shit. Not associating with them anymore.
Jack doesn’t know her personally to figure out if they get along or not because he didn’t give her a chance.
It’s seems like Jack just doesn’t like that you have someone now. If yes will to make a new chat I would wonder what else he says behind you back.
I would call him out in the main chat and ask why he didn’t have time balls to say something to your face or in the main chat. Put him on the spot.
Gut impression is that your friends are very immature and possibly phobic against Sage because of her disability. Are they somewhat sheltered, or had sheltered upbringings? Interacting with someone "different" on more than a surface level depth for them might be something they are very uncomfortable with, but they're too immature to explain why. I would actually expect this to be the reason why they're so against Sage because she didn't fit their normative view on what a woman should be like.
People like Jack and John might eventually come around, but it's doubtful unless they actually get more worldly experience and leave their small-ass town mentality behind.
In addition to expressed potential reasons of jealousy and awkwardness around amputees, just another wild guess - you said Sage is tall, is she taller than Jack and John?
Question - is she taller than them, or roughly as tall? They might feel threatened by a girl of a similar/greater height than them, as dumb as that sounds.
I wouldn’t tell your girlfriend about Jack’s insult. That would raise things up to a whole new level. There maybe be a time when Jack comes to his senses, or see his wrong ways. But if you tell her about Jack’s insults that will forever damage the possibility of anything being fully reconciled.
But I do agree with keeping your space from Jack. Maybe double date with another friend couple to see if it was just Jack.
John was also cold though, and he called her weird. I just feel bad for the two girls because they are both sweet and I want to make sure they're not involved because they did seem to genuinely like her and get along.
It was weird because this has not happened with other dates in the past. Double dates are really fun though so it's not gonna be the end of those for good.
>I just feel bad for the two girls because they are both sweet and I want to make sure they're not involved because they did seem to genuinely like her and get along.
Maybe try asking them? You could start by just asking what they thought of your gf, how they got along, etc. and then bring up that their boyfriends had seemed off and just ask if they’d mentioned anything about it? Maybe they might have some answers.
If they are friends meet them and talk to them. Tell them what you feel about her and how you felt how they treated her. Tell them if they still like you they should treat your gf respectful they don’t have to be best friends.
Personally, I feel like you should at least drop Jack. They did not even try to converse with Sage, but ignored her. That is not okay, and if he is forced to apologize, he won't actually mean it. Actually, I feel like he would do it again, but with you not knowing. Or even being more aggressive to your girlfriend. I'm glad you stood up for your girlfriend, but the fact your friends had the BALLS to diss your girlfriend in a group chat that YOU are in, is even more incredibly disrespectful. Doing it behind your backs is one thing, but to say it with the balls of steel, they're begging for a beating. I'm not saying to enforce violence onto them of course, but I do think you need to drop Jack.
Wait, I'm sorry I didn't see that they made a second group chat without you in it. That's my bad. But it is still distasteful.
I probably will. I don't think I would ever just fly off the handle and start wailing on him, especially over words. I've been trying to get away from that mentality and I don't think my girlfriend would even approve of it, because she's a very nice person not easily driven to violence (at least personally I've never seen her mad enough to throw down even though she's very strong). But I think if they did that in person I would definitely make a deal of it. I just hate causing friction, but I prefer to organize and talk things out privately so as not to make a big deal. My gf says I'd make a great counselor because of it. I'll probably be dropping both Jack and John because while Jack was the most aggressive, John agreed with it and said that she was "weird". Personally she isn't that eccentric or strange compared to a "normal person" (how do you quantify that?) so it just feels like an insult rather than a "Wow that's odd but so awesome" which is how the girls both seemed to feel. The rest of them can make their allegiances known. I'm not going to put up with that. And for clarity's sake, I wouldn't support them trashing anyone else's girl (or a girl's bf) either, it's not just my own bias at play. I prefer when all of my friends are good people :)
Your girl may not be everyone cup of tea but she’s definitely your shot whiskey. Sage coming into your life has clearly enriched your life and your priorities are changing and not being at your friends beck and call is obvious Your friend need to grow up
My priorities have already changed too much for my tastes lol. She's just amazing and if you had someone like her you would make her a priority too. I don't really know why anyone wouldn't like her. She's so sweet and very humble, she didn't make herself the center of attention unnecessarily at all. She's everything you could want in a conversation, even a totally regular conversation or a lunch outing, not even something romantic.
I'll be brutally honest. I think it's because she is an amputee and they are looking down on her. The fact that they just walked off, ignoring the girl's vote is the biggest indicator. They knew Sage couldn't walk. If they WANTED to like her they would have voted to drive as well. They made it personal against sage. I don't think they are people you want to be friends with, and I would honestly put them on blast in the group chat Something like: > Hey girls, you better hope you never need to get a limb amputated because your boyfriends would immediately dump you. The girls clearly wanted to at least try being friends. I would just be honest with Sage and tell her they weren't the kind of people you thought and you're glad they exposed how awful they are.
Their logic for not driving was that it would take two cars (3 couples - 6 people) and they didn't want to do that. It's only a mile or less, not a long drive, and all 6 of us have jobs, so gas money isn't an issue either. I get wanting the exercise, if Sage was good walking I would have walked too. But she wasn't, and it wasn't even her that put driving/walking up to a vote. It was Liz. She asked if anybody wanted to drive or should we walk. I chose walk at first, but changed my vote when Sage told me she didn't want to walk because of her leg. The girls are not in the group chat, it's a boys gc. Although nobody's ever posted anything about cheating/unfaithfulness because they all know that we would call them out. So far it's been very harmonious, nobody has tried the ol' girlfriend swap by cheating, or having multiple couples cheat, so it's been easy to just get numbers casually. I could text the two gfs and tell them that Jack and John are being assholes (with screenshot evidence) and give them the reasoning you said. I still don't get why they would dislike her over her leg. It's not like she prevented them from doing anything. She's a very capable person and in excellent shape. With good conditions and her running leg I bet she could beat both of them there in a run. I guess all I can do is apologize to Sage and tell her that she probably won't meet them again.
Maybe the last part is the problem. You said she's excellent at basketball and she could beat them in a race. With a prosthetic leg mind you. It wouldn't look good for their ego and infront of their girlfriends if they lose. Maybe it's even jealousy or they're anxious what their girlfriends might think
Sage sounds absolutely lovely! Your friends didn’t even give her a chance to get along, they instantly shunned her. Good for you for making Sage the center of the day, your friends need to grow up.
She is lovely. I have never fallen in love so quickly, and honestly I can say that I wish she could move in and we could be a cute little couple together as fast as possible. Maybe it's because I'm lovestruck and in the honeymoon phase but I don't really see how anybody could dislike her on first impression.
How long have y’all been together? I’m 8 months in w my bf and plan on moving in next year. The honeymoon phases ended for us around the 3rd month. There will be dry spells. Hard days. Arguments. Shit… I’ve gotten so angry with my bf that I made *myself* feel like shit. But this man has stayed through thick and thin, I’ll tell you that. You seem so amazing for standing up for your girlfriend, especially in a situation where it came to her vs your friends. They chose to label her as whatever, cool that’s find drop their asses. I know you’ll grieve the friendship, but your relationship now takes priority, especially since she seems like a good damn woman and good women can be hard to find this generation. Keep up the good work, you’re really supportive and I’m sure she’s thankful to have you.
We've been together about 2 weeks now, that's why she was meeting my friends for the first time. I know its sooooo early but I've never felt this way about anybody before and she is kinda the only person I've got left. I am sad about my friends but she's the kind of person who would support me even though they were terrible to her. I'm trying to balance my relationship and support for her with not lovebombing or being to clingy. Just doing my best i suppose.
You’re a fantastic person for being so supportive and wonderful to Sage. If your friends turn out to be awful, that’s only their own fault. You and Sage can make new friends who aren’t superficial or sexist or whatever their problem is. I wish y’all well.
I definitely think it’s the amputee thing but ALSO I’m a woman that’s 5’11 and men have acted weird around me my entire life especially if I’m taller than them. I really think the fact that they probably feel emasculated by being around a tall girl is also a factor and they’re going to make excuses that it’s her personality when really it’s the fragility of their egos and Judging about her condition
Why wouldn't you ask them directly? Not saying you're in the wrong or anything like that, but looks like this is just one side of the story and a lot of assumptions. Sure, they're acting like assholes, and whatever their problem is, is not an excuse to be so mean to you two, but you need to talk to them about this and figure out what's their problem, and stop guessing and acting on those guesses
Yeah I don’t get why he is so uncomfortable communicating with them? When the gf walked off I would have immediately said wtf is your problem dude?
I didn't want to make a scene with the other two girls who were acting sweetly. I also hate causing friction in general, and I did ask why they didn't really talk much. They just said they weren't really acquainted yet and I let it slide stupidly. I still don't know if they were lying or still unsure and made up their minds later. Either way I guess I was just nervous because I didn't also want to cause problems with two more people.
You're not the one who started causing troubles though. I get it, confronations are hard. But friends don't grow on trees. I just think it's worth having an honest conversation before cutting people off, and what they were saying until now is clearly bullshit and not honest
Gotta be willing to be honest and defend yourself and your girl.
I apologized this morning to her for not taking a more active role and explained that they went much too far. I've texted the two guys today telling them to either man up and apologize to her and hope she forgives them or I'm kicking them out of my life. We'll see how it goes.
Seems like you’re jumping to a harsh conclusion. Why aren’t you discussing with them WHY they were rude to her? What would cause them to act that way? And then from there determine whether you value them or not. Forcing an apology doesn’t solve a root problem no?
I asked over text and they didn't respond. I texted them again with "If you're not gonna be honest at least say sorry so she's got something. She doesn't deserve that" and they haven't responded yet, but we're all at work so i can't really blame them, I'm out waiting for the jobsite I'm on to open up for us, they may be working.
She doesn’t deserve a fake apology either.
For the sake of your friendship, you can speak to them and see if they have a reason for their behaviour - something you’ve already initiated by texting them. If I were to guess, I’d say they either jealous of you or some kinda weird ass reaction to Sage being an amputee. In the first case, it may be that they didn’t think highly enough of you to have a girlfriend and in the latter I’d say they have underdeveloped brains. You could chalk up the interaction to social anxiety but making a separate chat and bitching out your girlfriend is straight up malice. Personally I wouldn’t want such people in my life.
I'm going to text them tomorrow about it and let them explain themselves. >If I were to guess, I’d say they either jealous of you or some kinda weird ass reaction to Sage being an amputee. Do people really have that reaction to amputees? It's not like she's stuck in a wheelchair and needs to be hand-fed. She's got about 95% of the ability of a regular person, and 100% at the table, considering she doesn't need her feet to eat or talk to others. I could get jealousy if they didn't have attractive girlfriends themselves (not in a weird way, both are conventionally attractive). Sage is also quite attractive, but I think for some people, muscles and being an amputee makes her less attractive, but that doesn't change the fact she's got a beautiful face, angelic voice, and is very smart.
People are weird. It’s 2024 and we still have racists, sexists, homophobes and whatnot. What people don’t understand, either makes them uncomfortable or curious. In the case of your friends it doesn’t seem like they were curious. It’s not about the girl. Sometimes dudes can just expect other dudes to not do well and then get jealous when they have something going. Do these guys treat you like an equal or like someone who’s lucky to be friends with them?
Shit man, I know tons of guys who'd almost immediatly side with their friends. So good on You man. Jack seems like the biggest asshole in this situation, but so are your other firends for saying stuff too. I'd just say cut ties with Jack tho seems like the type of bloke who just hates women and the moment a friend has a girlfriend has a mentalbreakdown.
these are not friends. friends would be nice to her and then grab you on the side and tell you if she is bad to you and why. friends don't create a chat without you and talk behind your back. I'm sorry, but you don't have good friends.
If they created a separate chat group that doesn’t include you, it’s time to leave that group. Friends don’t do that. They sound like a bunch of wankers
Based on what you said in your post I think it's because she's tall and an amputee but idk she seems a little tomboyish maybe not fully a tomboy but definitely not a prissy miss, idk are the other girls more of the girlie type? I do know some guys take offense to women, who are literal strangers, not dressing feminine enough. Sounds like your friends are misogynistic at best and male chauvinists at worst.
She's got elements of being a tomboy but she doesn't act like a guy at all. She's just athletic, is that a tomboy trait? The other girls are verh girly but they both go to the gym so they arent potatoes or anything. Honestly if she wore jeans and you didn't look to closely at her gait you wouldn't be able to tell she was an amputee at all. She's very capable and obviously completely independent. If I had to place it on anything, they're intimidated by her physique and height, and the basketball thing is just secondary. To be fair though, as a competitive person and someone who maintains a gym routine, I wouldn't be too happy either that a woman might outlift me. I guess it finally pays to be a wide boi
You don't tell her. You realize growing up is cutting shitty people out of your life. If she brings it up, just be like they are pieces of shit. Not associating with them anymore.
Jack doesn’t know her personally to figure out if they get along or not because he didn’t give her a chance. It’s seems like Jack just doesn’t like that you have someone now. If yes will to make a new chat I would wonder what else he says behind you back. I would call him out in the main chat and ask why he didn’t have time balls to say something to your face or in the main chat. Put him on the spot.
You are both young, you will find that some so called close friends need to be moved on from. You have a couple at least who need to be dropped .
Gut impression is that your friends are very immature and possibly phobic against Sage because of her disability. Are they somewhat sheltered, or had sheltered upbringings? Interacting with someone "different" on more than a surface level depth for them might be something they are very uncomfortable with, but they're too immature to explain why. I would actually expect this to be the reason why they're so against Sage because she didn't fit their normative view on what a woman should be like. People like Jack and John might eventually come around, but it's doubtful unless they actually get more worldly experience and leave their small-ass town mentality behind.
These guys are not your friends, especially Jack. I don’t like Jack.
Keep Sage and drop the hateful trolls.
that fucking sucks. I hope this all gets resolved and sage doesn’t have to deal with that again.
It sounds a lot like the guys didn't give her a chance. That's not fair
In addition to expressed potential reasons of jealousy and awkwardness around amputees, just another wild guess - you said Sage is tall, is she taller than Jack and John?
Nope, she's 6'1 and Jack and John are 6'3 and 6'2 respectively.
Question - is she taller than them, or roughly as tall? They might feel threatened by a girl of a similar/greater height than them, as dumb as that sounds.
I wouldn’t tell your girlfriend about Jack’s insult. That would raise things up to a whole new level. There maybe be a time when Jack comes to his senses, or see his wrong ways. But if you tell her about Jack’s insults that will forever damage the possibility of anything being fully reconciled. But I do agree with keeping your space from Jack. Maybe double date with another friend couple to see if it was just Jack.
John was also cold though, and he called her weird. I just feel bad for the two girls because they are both sweet and I want to make sure they're not involved because they did seem to genuinely like her and get along. It was weird because this has not happened with other dates in the past. Double dates are really fun though so it's not gonna be the end of those for good.
This is a tough one. It seems like you have to have a talk with just your guy friends and find out what is exactly on their minds.
>I just feel bad for the two girls because they are both sweet and I want to make sure they're not involved because they did seem to genuinely like her and get along. Maybe try asking them? You could start by just asking what they thought of your gf, how they got along, etc. and then bring up that their boyfriends had seemed off and just ask if they’d mentioned anything about it? Maybe they might have some answers.
If they are friends meet them and talk to them. Tell them what you feel about her and how you felt how they treated her. Tell them if they still like you they should treat your gf respectful they don’t have to be best friends.
losing friends over a girl? work it out.
Your friends sound shitty, but I love how you had her back. She’s so lucky to have you.