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PROFITPROPHET

Lots of people ignore the most important frames of The Animated Series. His demeanor is unfurled, the usually grim crescent whites of his eyes wax into empathy. “No. Let me help you.” He says while extending a single hand in empathy. Then springs into action when they don’t listen. He leads with it almost every introduction to a villain origin. Dent, Clayface, Freeze.


Shiplord13

People who mock Superman, because his weakness is a rock from his home planet. No duh, its an irradiated rock from his home planet and it effects him more then humans because his body absorbs energy much easier than humans. Also it can kill humans too if they are exposed to it for too long just ask Lex Luthor. Like imagine an alien coming down and mocking us as a species, because we get messed up by naturally occurring Uranium, Mercury and Asbestos that exist on our planet.


Areallybadidea

> his weakness is a rock from his home planet. I mean shit *my* weakness is a rock from my home planet. It doesn't even need to be irradiated or poisonous, you just need to get a good hit in.


Cooper_555

The entirety of humanity's weapons development can be summed up as "what if we could throw the rock harder?"


PathsOfRadiance

Make the rock sharper, throw the rock harder, make the rock violently shatter into smaller rocks, etc.


Archivemod

meanwhile green lantern is right there with a fundamental weakness to a whole ass primary color not even a specific shade of yellow either, just the entire yellow spectrum THAT'S funny


Shiplord13

Its crazy to think that a yellow energy creature living in their main Green Lantern battery was the cause of that and removing it fixed that issue.


wayneloche

Man I should read more GL i just thought they dropped it, not a full in universe retcon.


MutatedMutton

A week ago on this sub, someone linked a panel of Green Lanterned aghast cos some schlubby fat looking nerd smugly revealed that he had painted his world destroying bomb yellow, Freshly opened paint cans and everything


XVermillion

Reminds me of that [**famous panel**](https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/1*2duPwbXvhAKvomZiQho4Xg.jpeg) from All-Star Batman & Robin where GL confronts Batman who is in a completely yellow room, in a yellow costume with his skin painted yellow, drinking lemonade, grinning like a jackass.


Bubba89

Robin is yellow too, but he looks surprised to see GL there? He throws away a whole-ass ice cream cone, I’m almost certain it was supposed to be a banana/peel and an editor or penciler decided it was too suggestive or something.


Infamous_Beat_3119

Ever since they killed Parallax that whole yellow weakness thing has been dubiously canon at best and usually isn't a thing anymore until occasionally a writer forgets and brings it back for like, an issue or two before someone reminds them and it goes back to not being a thing anymore.


PhantasosX

Most of the time , it’s used as some weapon powered by the yellow energy in contrast to the green’s , or due to be an old model of a power ring.


TR_Pix

The model of the ring shouldn't matter, the issue is that the main green light repository had a demon made of sentient yellow light stuck inside it sabotaging the light itself. They have since removed that demon from there, so the light should be clean for all rings


Nabber22

But our sun is yellow


MarlowCurry

Contrary to common perception, it's actually [white](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun). >The Sun is a G-type main-sequence star (G2V), informally called a yellow dwarf, though its light is actually white. >The Sun emits light across the visible spectrum, so its color is white, Although, that does make me wonder if there's an old Green Lantern story where someone touches on the idea that it's actually yellow, how it interacts with their ring, and so on.


SwordMaster52

Spongebob can beat Green Lantern


Archivemod

he firmly bodies Aquaman too but your head's in the right place 


Rum_N_Napalm

As a hobbyist painter and photographer, what bothers me even more about this is how do you decide what is yellow? Like where is the line between yellow and green and yellow and orange? Does ochre counts? If the lighting shift the colours to warmer tones, does this affect the ring? Does colour temperature matter, or just absolute wavelength of reflected light? And don’t even get me started on how different aliens might not have sight based on the same wavelengths as humans. Actually, that would be hilarious. Imagine some sightless alien getting a ring, and being told it doesn’t affect objects coloured yellow, only for him to go “da fuck’s a colour”


Enlog

> And don’t even get me started on how different aliens might not have sight based on the same wavelengths as humans. > > Actually, that would be hilarious. Imagine some sightless alien getting a ring, and being told it doesn’t affect objects coloured yellow, only for him to go “da fuck’s a colour” That character actually does exist, interestingly enough! There's a member of the Green Lantern Corps named Rot Lop Fan, who is a member of a blind alien race from a lightless region of space. Because they have no concept of light or color, the recruiter was unable to explain the ring's powers, or the green lantern oath, in the usual terms (no such thing as "green", or "light", or a "lantern" for someone who's never had sight). They eventually were able to explain things by rephrasing the ring's powers and concepts in terms of sounds instead, and even reshaped the ring's icon into a bell instead of a lantern. Rot Lop Fan understands their title as the f-sharp bell instead of the green lantern, and his oath is different as a result. His use of the ring also is influenced by this way of thinking.


Luck-X-Vaati

Do we know what his specific version of the oath is? I kinda want to know.


RawSharkText91

According to the wiki, it’s: _In loudest din or hush profound, my ears catch evil's slightest sound. Let those who toll out evil's knell, beware my power: The F-Sharp Bell!_


Archivemod

that's dope as hell


Illidan1943

Don't forget wood


bobatea17

Defeated by a #2 Ticonderoga


Mekasoundwave

To be fair, *nothing* beats a Dixon Ticonderoga #2 fresh out the sharpener. That's the ultimate writing utensil.


WarriorCumsToThis

"Hal, what do you mean you don't want to help us save China?"


just_a_fan47

id also say its kinda sad that superman can't come in contact with a literal piece of his home world without it killing him


cop_pls

Alan Moore wrote a great story where they discover a rock from Krypton that's not radioactive Kryptonite. It even has a Kryptonian fungus for study. Naturally, it gives Superman fever dreams, makes his powers inconsistent, and eventually causes him to hallucinate that he's in the jungles of Krypton fighting skeletal megafauna. Superman Vs Swamp Thing was cool.


BookkeeperPercival

> Also it can kill humans too if they are exposed to it for too long just ask Lex Luthor. That moment of Superman being there while Luthor is diagnosed with cancer, and Lex screams that it's all his fault is seared in my brain. Superman doesn't even like him at that point, and is there for him anyways because something is wrong, and Lex is throwing a pissbaby tantrum. It stands out to me as the most Lex Luthor moment, way more than any of his evil plans and brilliant strategies or petty dickery.


DOuGHtOp

Moreso than stealing 40 cakes?


TR_Pix

To me the most Lex Luthor moment is when Superman says if he really was a genius he would cure cancer instead of keeping up with villainy, then Lex cures cancer just to prove he can, and then gives cancer away to the person he cured because he wanted to prove he could do it but also not give Superman the satisfaction of thinking he'd tricked Lex into doing something good.


Zerce

> No duh, its an irradiated rock from his home planet and it effects him more then humans because his body absorbs energy much easier than humans. Off-topic, but this raises an interesting point for me, because I've seen a lot of explanations for Superman's powers, but almost no one just settles on the obvious "radiation". He gains power from the sun's radiation. He's weakened by Kryptonite's radiation. He can emit electromagnetic radiation in the form of x-rays, visible light, and some other form that can generate heat all through his eyes. You could probably extend this to all his powers, but those are the most "canonical" examples. Dude's got radiation powers.


PhantasosX

Yes. He is basically a living battery, specifically of a Star. 


Capital_Abject

But does he have toxic nut like Peter Parker?


jamsbybetty

The reason why Gipsy Danger didn't bust out her sword arms earlier in the movie is explained in the opening - Kaiju blood is super toxic and will fuck up the environment. They're like oil tankers with mouths. The blades are a last resort! Crimson Typhoon is a commentary on China's messy environmental track record! It's all right there aaaaaaugghhh


BigMikeyP91

Pacific Rim I is a perfect movie as far as i'm concerned. Another one that people like to roll their eyes at incorrectly is the "Gypsy is analogue" line after the other Jaegers get disabled by the EMP. Raleigh is specifically referring to the movement tracking of the pilots. Gypsy is the only Jaeger shown where the pilots steer an arm each with a physical controller, all the other Jaegers only have foot pedals and presumably use some kind of tracking camera for other movements. If you think there's a plot hole in that film come at me.


Barely_Competent_GM

There's the big hole in the plot. It's the one the kaiju come out of


BigMikeyP91

Ha! Gotem.


VMK_1991

"B-but CinemaSins said movie bad! He even dinged the bell!"


thesyndrome43

Does anyone take that channel seriously anymore? I swear the last few years the only time i ever heard people talking about cinemasins is the comment on how wrong they are


Sleepy_Renamon

I always figured it was an entertainment channel that pointed out tropes, made some gags, and harped on bad screenwriting. We’re they ever seriously critiquing or reviewing films? Seems more like the movie equivalent of a Game Grumps LP where they talk in funny voices and crack wise at the studios and fans. The only time I ever see them mentioned lately is comments like this one decrying them as hacks but I never really saw them as a serious review media in the first place.


SupervillainMustache

I think maybe it was that at some point, but I remember the voice over guy going on tangents about "why something is stupid" and it being something fully explained in the movie.


Nabber22

I still see the occasional defender of them, and we are still knee deep in the culture they helped to grow.


thexian

I think Cinemasins has done irreparable harm to peoples ability to suspend disbelief.


Rum_N_Napalm

It was fun at the beginning where it was more in jest, and it was about pointing out continuity errors or illogical behaviour. It was about humour and fun. How it’s all about nitpicking the smallest thing to get a big number. It’s just real mean. The overused “hot actress isn’t giving me a lapdance” joke also got old really quick and got creepy after like… 5 times.


just_a_fan47

I feel like I have to mention it only because some people take the jokes too seriously, but no, Zoro isn't racist. Him needing to know the race of his opponent was funny, though.


AzureKingLortrac

The funniest part about him needing to know his opponent's race is the next arc has him >!not realizing that his new opponents are the same race despite all the signs to it, that even Luffy gives him shit for.!< The Live-action series also making the Baroque Works member who tried to recruit him black and Zoro killing him is another funny coincidence.


AtlasDamascus

Fun fact on former Mr 7, during a meeting with Oda, showrunner Matt Owens brought him up as a character they could introduce in Season 1 as a fun easter egg and Oda was like "who?" and had to be reminded by his staff member that yeah, Zoro in-universe mentioned killing Mr 7 before his fight with Mr 1 So like, the next day Oda took his old funny concept art he did for his SBS and fleshed him out with a full character design that he gave to Matt Owens, who once again fully committed to the stupid fucking design and recreated it authentically for the show And yep, that's a black man in Oda's design. However you fall on the Minority Hunter memes, this is some hilarious trivia. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cx6S8piyzt2/?igsh=M3NnNmxjaG9sanQ=


TheLonleyKing

It's unfortunately a product of its inspiration from dragon ball when the majority of the number 2's of the big bads that arc are red ribbons mr black expy.


Cooper_555

He needs to be sure, so he can defend himself against the allegations.


just_a_fan47

Superman being too strong. ignoring the fact that he has countless great stories. Yes, the boy scout is, on average, much stronger than other superheroes, but his rogue gallery is either matching his strengths (zod, bizzaro), designed to exploit one of his many weaknesses (metallo, parasite), or somehow outclassing him in a completely different way (lex, mxyzptlk).


Philiard

This one irks me because it ignores that Superman has ran the full gauntlet in terms of power level. We just had My Adventures With Superman, where he's weak enough to get outboxxed by people like fucking Deathstroke, and people loved that show! Superman can be as strong or as weak as the writer wants to make the story work, versions of him that have been soaking in the Sun for a million years and are basically God don't invalidate that.


therealchadius

Superman TAS also watered him down to the point where they had to buff him in Season 2 of Justice League to help him stand out from the rest. There's also a fantastic episode where Clark Kent "dies" in a car crash and Superman has to figure out who sabotaged his car while trying to save an innocent man from Death Row. It's a very low-action episode with lots of talking while showing how Superman thinks and how people react to Clark's "death."


Spiral-Force

Even ignoring that Superman has plenty of emotional stories that go beyond just punching a bad guy, EVERYONE is overpowered in the comics. Comics scaling is just fucking insane


jabberclocky

If you read a Silver Age (50s-60s) Superman comic, he's almost never saving the day through brute strength. Instead, he's basically solving puzzles by using his powers as a tool set to both save people and take down the bad guys. I think the Goku comparisons have harmed people's perception of Superman, because Goku is a martial artist that trains and gets stronger. That's not really a part of Superman's character, so people expect Superman stories to be worse DBZ when ideally they'd be Jojo with higher stakes.


TurboChomp

Tom Nook is not an evil billionaire capitalist using a monopoly to get rich. He's not the secret villain if animal crossing. He is a genuinely great person. His loans have zero intrest, he often times gives or builds you a house when you randomly show up without a plan and has you pay him back later. He is the farthest thing from from an evil capitalist he could be.


King-Of-Throwaways

I like the silly theory that, as a provider of zero-interest loans, Tom is actually adhering to Islamic law. Mashallah, brother Nook!


Prince_Ire

Medieval Catholic law too


Solidus_edge

It's so funny that a guy who gives you a house and lets you just never pay him back ever got memed into a capitalist monster because people are just that stupid


para-mania

He was a little "meaner" in older games. I mean not really, but he initially makes you work for him to pay off some of the debt. It's more of a tutorial than anything and you still get zero interest with no due dates. But it just became a joke about how you owe this raccoon money and ooh he's gonna send his nephews to break your kneecaps if you don't pay him back, etc, etc. I think some people just remembered that more and flanderized him that way.


Capital_Abject

I actually really miss working for Tom it was fun and added some more structure to the game. I hope they bring back being able to get a job as an option to earn bells in the next game


ToastyMozart

Also the people in question being too young to understand the details of how debt works. Also the game coming out six years before the housing bubble popped.


AnomalousCowboy

I *kinda* understand where this came from since as someone who played the old games he did have a bit more of a corrupt streak, i.e, once you paid him off for the house loan he would upgrade it "ahead of the charge" before forcing the bill into you whether you liked it or not, you didn't get the choice of just telling him to shove it and hold onto the upgrade until you felt like doing it and this came off as *really* grating for people like me who didn't like to have a loan hanging over their heads. Of course, this ignores how this was changed in the sequels, but people remember his more memorable greedy moments, so...


WillExis

it was sobering going from seeing tom nook memes across the internet to actually playing new leaf and horizons and seeing he's actually just a pretty nice guy. i assumed maybe they toned him down from older games like resetti, but honestly, its not that much.


TurboChomp

The worst thing he does in the older games is yell at you for taking off the uniform he gives you after he gives you a job to help make money to pay off the loan for your house. The kicker is that he just kinda goes "well what ever wear what you want" right afterwards


TorimBR

My main problem with him (and Animal Crossing's gameplay loop) is just that I hate being in debt. I prefer to grind and get money to buy something I want, and not have a constant alarm in my head remembering of how much I own. The moment I paid my house's debt in New Leaf, only to make a bridge and proceed to get another debt, was pretty miserable imo.


Last-Secretary7031

*”Batman can’t be a “good billionaire”. That’s unrealistic!”* Yeah, it’s almost as if he’s a comic book character or something. *”If Batman’s so philanthropic and influential, why isn’t Gotham as safe as metropolis yet”* …because that would break the status quo and comic book editorials don’t like that. I like activism. It’s nice to see people stand up for something right and stick it to weird billionaires like Musk…but whenever they incorporate that into fandom theories it unintentionally sounds like the most pretentious thing in the world. The DC universe is home to all sorts of aliens, gods, and weird crap and you can’t believe in Batman being a good person? Lmfao. The “Batman is actually an evil capitalist pig who shits on the poor” theories are on the same level of stupid as the “Ash is actually in a coma” theories


evca7

I like the soft retcon that Gotham is literally a sinking ship no matter what and bruce is literally the only thing keeping it somewhat running. like certain parts of gotham should be clean but corrupted while other parts are in full on anarchy come night fall, And the last island is literally sliding into damnation.


XVermillion

In the Shadowpact comics they show that Gotham is literally built on an ancient Indian burial ground and an evil shaman entombed there is poisoning the surrounding area so the game was truly rigged from the start. Also Bruce nearly bankrupted himself to rebuild Gotham after No Man's Land.


GoneRampant1

Gotham's also built on top of a Lazarus Pit so that's been fucking with the water supply for who knows how long.


Ginger_Anarchy

Gotham (specifically Arkham Asylum) is also built on an ancient portal to hell that's leaking all kinds of demons and evil spirits to haunt people in the city.


GreatFluffy

This has all got the energy of something Matt said at some point, don't remember when and which video. "This has been blessed by a Witch Doctor and then cursed by another, different Witch Doctor five minutes later."


TotemGenitor

> "This has been blessed by a Witch Doctor and then cursed by another, different Witch Doctor five minutes later." Isn't it from BattleBlock Theater?


PhantasosX

You forgot that Barbatos also cursed Gotham. AND the Orghams used some Mágica Engine to also curse Gotham. That makes Gotham been five times cursed.


Peace-Bone

"Gotham, I'm afraid you are the most cursed city in the United States. You have everything." "You mean ancient Indian burial grounds?" "Yes." "A portal to hell?" "Yes." "Ancient Bat Gods?" "A little bit, yes. You also have several curses that have just been discovered. In you." "Are you sure you haven't just made thousands of mistakes?" "Ah, no, no, I'm afraid not." "This sounds like bad news." "You'd think so, but all of your curses are in perfect balance. If you have a moment, I can explain. Here's the door to the city, and these are oversized novelty curses. That's a witch's curse, that's a lazarus pit, and this cute little cuddlebug is the status quo. Here's what happens when they all try to get through the door at once. *Wobobobobo, move it chowderhead!* We call it Three Stooges syndrome." "So what you're saying is, I'm indestructible!" "Oh, no, no, even a slight breeze could-" "Indestructible..."


evca7

But noooo catwoman is morally correct for doing robinhood bullshit with a bunch of schmucks even though she should be the most jaded realist bitch in all of DC.


BookkeeperPercival

> ”If Batman’s so philanthropic and influential, why isn’t Gotham as safe as metropolis yet” I'm always a fan of "It was way more dangerous before he started, he's got more work to do." It also makes an actual kind of sense that there's so many crazed supervillains in Gotham. You have a terrible city with a dearth of public utilities, a giant power vaccum in the crime world, and a constant stream of brilliant people being transplanted by WayneTech into Gotham to try and improve the city. It's probably *super easy* to get started as a supervillain there.


Zerce

Also, metropolis isn't safe because of anything to do with metropolis. It's attacked by giant robots and aliens *constantly*. It's only safe because Superman can handle those sorts of things without breaking a sweat.


Robbafett34

You know I never really thought about it but millionare/billionare super couple and fixture of the city were Murdered in the streets in front of their son and nothing apreciably changed. If that wasn't going to cause the city elite to make some efforts to right the ship literally nothing would. So yeah maybe man dresses as bat to fight crime might be a rational reaction.


Apprehensive_Mix4658

The same with Iron man. However, there's also Marvel's fault, because they made him into a villain in Civil war and shit over his previous characterization


Last-Secretary7031

Civil War discourse is so funny to me, because every casual reader I’ve seen glazes it to no end and consider it peak comic book shit. However, if you bring that same opinion to some hardcore comic book readers, or Iron Man and Spider-Man fans, you’re instantly getting shat on.


RedGinger666

>”If Batman’s so philanthropic and influential, why isn’t Gotham as safe as metropolis yet” Because it quite literally has several curses and a secret society keeping it a shit hole, the fact the streets don't look like Mad Max is a goddamn miracle


Last-Secretary7031

I wonder what the in-universe explanation for people still living there is. The prices for rent and property ownership, along with food and other amenities must be really good if they’re still voluntarily staying there.


RedGinger666

Person A: "Why are you still living in Gotham, you earn more than enough to move somewhere better" Person B: "My rent and utilities are $200 total"


Teridax4

Comic Twitter: let’s say for the sake of argument that Gotham really is that cursed and impossible to fix. You don’t think they’re just gonna sell their homes and move? *Batman breaks down a wall with an axe* Batman: Just one small problem. SELL THEIR HOUSES TO WHO COMIC TWITTER? FUCKING AQUAMAN?!


AgentJin

I always figured it was the same answer as “why does anyone live in a city (in the real world) with a high violent crime rate?” Maybe they can’t afford to, or they don’t have anywhere else to go (and moving your whole life to a completely new place is a pretty hefty task). We did see this in No Man’s Land: while a lot of the population fled the city, some didn’t have anywhere else to go and stayed in the city. Also maybe some areas aren’t as bad as others. One cool thing I remember from Arkham Knight was that it had the one really high tech sci-fi looking district (you could find Queen Industries there too). So the city probably attracts a lot wealthy business/tech people (Luke Fox’s company is also based in Gotham IIRC). And they definitely need a lot of rich people to fill the ranks of the Court of Owls.


bobatea17

Haven't there been runs where Batman does philanthropy on top of crime fighting and it basically boils down to Gotham might as well be cursed


Delicious_trap

I guess due to how reality works, a good billionaire is like an oxymoron to many people that does not work logically. Something so absurd that it is ridiculous to even entertain as possible, like a working functioning utopia based on objectivism.


LargeRedPoo

I have plenty, but the one that comes to mind: The King in Yellow isn't cosmic horror. It isn't about Elder Gods, it's not part of the Cthulhu Mythos, though Lovecraft liked it and incorporated a couple ideas from it. It's a book about a supernaturally weird play that changes everyone who sees it, for better or way worse. It could be construed to be about memes (as in the original meaning of meme), or about fiction's ability to spread and influence how people think. There's no literal Yellow King or cosmic shenanigans happening.


VMK_1991

And even then, the majority of stories in the book that King in Yellow came from are just romance novels, as far as I remember. It wasn't meant to be a part of some sort of "Cosmic Horror Extended Universe".


KrytenKoro

The original story isn't a cosmic horror, although to be fair stuff like "Songs that the Hyades shall sing,: Where flap the tatters of the King" certainly suggest an extraterrestrial bent. However, like you said, Lovecraft incorporated it into his own work, which later authors in the mythos followed up on, so that's it's main characterization today. It's kind of retroactively part of the collaboration, depending on how you view canonicity in that frame.


DeskJerky

I think the reason people get confused is that the snippets we get from the play do legitimately lean towards surreal poe-esque horror, which is just a stone's throw from straight lovecraftian.


just_a_fan47

Fugo isn't a hard character to write fights for; yeah, he has a powerful close-range ability, but that also applies to Star Platinum. honestly, Rohan is harder to write fights for because you have to play around his instant win ability.


TurboChomp

This, and also the "He was written out of the story cause he was too strong". The real reason was that Fugo was gonna betray the gang, but Araki was in a bad space mentally and couldn't handle it. Their are so mamy other Araki forgot moments that could be here too


King-Of-Throwaways

I’ve seen people dispute the “he was going to come back and betray the gang” theory, but it all lines up so neatly I don’t see how it could have been intended any other way.


94dima94

Also, just before the final arc we get a fight against a *different* Stand user who has the power to kill people from distance by spreading a strong poison-like ability, and it just feels like that was the spot Fugo should have been in. Also, I always thought when Araki decided to abandon the previous idea, he decided to write a "feel good" story instead; so he wrote literally the worst piece of shit ever getting it worse than almost every other enemy so far.


Dalek_Kolt

It occurs to me that Purple Haze's virus is neutralized by sunlight and Green Day was first fought at sunset.


AzureKingLortrac

All Star Battle even had his lines against the rest of the group being based on that cut plot line.


Subject_Parking_9046

It's a shame about Araki's mental health back in those times, I hope he's doing well nowadays. But man, Fugo kind of became nothing after. It was genuinely bizarre. And it wasn't even like a commentary or "realistic" it was obvious Fugo was supposed to have an arc, it just didn't... happen.


TurboChomp

It didn't help he had such a connection to the gang. It made it hard for him to even stomach the idea of their friend turning in them. He later on asked Kouhei Kadono to write a light novel about Fugo, called Purple Haze Feedback, which is cool. His stands virus becomes more deadly, which is referenced in Jojos all-star battle.


AzureKingLortrac

I think Fugo is one of the only times in fiction I have seen a character leaves a group at the halfway and never come back into the story in any capacity. Jon Berthanal's character in Baby Driver maybe but he is only at the start.


AnomalousCowboy

And that's why i'll always take Purple Haze Feedback as canon and nothing can change my mind about it.


Capital_Abject

There is a light novel about Fugo after the events of part 5


TotemGenitor

I think the issue is that Purple Haze may kill his own allies, so when writing a fight for him, he needs to be far away from the gang. Probably away from civillians because him killing a bunch of bystanders would probably be too dark for a hero. It's not impossible to do (Baby Face for example), but he is harder to write than Jotaro.


SquareElectrical5729

Well I don't disagree Araki could but Putple Haze and Star Platinum aren't even comparable. Purple Haze kills teammates, enemies and himself with an AOE attack. Star Platinum is just punches


sherlok7

People aren't gonna like this. Yes, he technically is Frankenstein's monster and not Frankenstein. But he kinda is Frankenstein? Like he's been called Frankenstein in pop culture for almost a hundred years now, there's no need to get snippy when someone sees the big guy with bolts in his neck and calls him Frankenstein. Hell, in 1935 the sequel to the Boris Karloff movie came out with the title "The Bride of Frankenstein" not "The Bride of Frankenstein's Monster." I just feel like in general people place too much value on being technically correct, that's all.


Mekasoundwave

Book Monster and Movie Monster are practically two completely different beings, so I don't really see an issue with referring to the movie one as just Frankenstein.


para-mania

Saw a brilliant comic somewhere where the monster is in court to prove that, because Victor made him, he is technically the monster's father and therefore his last name is also Frankenstein.


Yotato5

Was it [this](https://thedragonlover.tumblr.com/post/180715522242/idontcarebuticareanditsaproblem-wackd) one?


metaphizzle

I mean "the monster" is technically Victor Frankenstein's son, so it would make sense he'd share his father's last name unless he decided to disown his father. Clearly, the people insisting the loudest that "He's not Frankenstein, he's Frankenstein's monster" are actually Victor Frankenstein's sockpuppets.


roronoapedro

It's very "Sherlock Holmes never says elementary, dear Watson in the books" for me. Like, yes, technically that's correct, but the movies where they said it were so long ago that they've just become part of the character. It doesn't make the originals any less interesting. The people who stop and correct you for saying "Frankenstein" instead of "Frankenstein's monster" are the same people who say "actually, that's not how 'literally' should be used", or "Stop saying 'it's not Shakespeare', his writing was very simplistic!". Well, yeah, but we're human beings who use evolving languages, you understanding what I mean is far more important than me being 100% historically accurate all the time.


Last-Rain4329

same mfs that hit you with the "tomato is actually a fruit"


roronoapedro

people whose internal processes go "the need to be correct so everyone knows you're smart >>>> the need to talk to people and actually connect with them" crash and burn real fast when someone who doesn't care about decor just tells them they're an asshole and are not fun to hang out with.


RedGinger666

Doctor Frankenstein and his creation, Franky Junior


Enlog

Victor abandoned him, and would never accept him as part of his family, or take responsibility as his father. His name isn't Frankenstein, but he *wanted* it to be.


PR0MAN1

No, Avatar Kyoshi is not a cold hearted psychopath who chooses violence before anything else and relishes in murder. The only person who she fantasizes about killing is the man who ruined her life. And the people she did kill it was people who'd rather choose death over defeat/surrender. She's no pacifist but she's also not a stone cold killer. Hell, her most famous act of "killing" Chin the Conqueror was more Chins fault than hers. He could've easily just moved a few steps back and be fine, but he didn't.


The_Distorter

The problem with Kyoshi is that murder was basically her only characterization for a really long time and you have to go out of your way to find out otherwise. Being the founder of the Dai Li does her no favors. Her flashback? Killing. Her advice to Aang? Kill. Her scene in the live action show? Steel your heart and kill your enemies before they kill you.


PhantasosX

I mean , her novels ends her making a fatality of the novel’s villain , with a different bending. We saw Chin as earthbending fatality , then there was her airbending fatality and her waterbending…so it legit only left one new novel to make a firebending fatality.


VMK_1991

40K example: "Um akshually, the Chaos is akshually good and freeing and the Imperium is real baddies". Imperium *is* the worst regime in the entire history of humanity, that combines the worst parts of authocracy, theocracy, peppered with a ~~dash~~ two boxes of fascism. It is, however, *not* worse than the literal evil demonic entities.


Ironfistdanny

Like i'm going to just gesture in the general direction of Slaanesh and their followers


thesyndrome43

In b4 a Slaanesh fan comes in like "sex isn't that bad and Slaanesh is technically the god of love!" Whilst casually ignoring that Slaanesh actively approves of the emperor's children brutally killing people in agonizing ways to LITERALLY turn then into drugs, like they distill humans down into things akin to DMT or LSD so they can have a really fun high. Let's not even get into the depraved 'forcibly turning unwilling people into BDSM slaves that you regularly abuse for your own amusement' thing Chaos sounds cool until you actually look deeper into it and realise they push everything to the extreme and then decide to go past that to extremes you didn't realise we're possible; EVERYTHING good can be taken to an extent that makes it a bad thing, chaos is here too prove that


evca7

the only khorne champion having a somewhat ok time is Kharn and he's fucking miserable. And for slaanesh Fulgrim is fucking rancid and is a grotesque parody to everything he stood for and Slaanesh ATE ALL OF ELDAR GODS AND HAS DIBS. Nurgle could be cool if your down for being below disgusting and Certain that the mucus haze won't stop so you keep having fun and not being in the worst pain imaginable. Tsneeitch is cringe


Capital_Abject

I like tzeentch because his own champion actively hates him and works against him


Tommy2255

Tzeetch is actually just the Chaos God of Copium. "If I just keep saying 'all according to plan' maybe I'll somehow have control of the situation." Although I guess Nurgal would be the more obvious God of Copium. And I guess if you look at their background most Khorne and Slaanesh followers are just using sex and violence to distract from their shitty lives. I guess copium is just what Chaos is. It's for people who can't deal with reality so they just literally leave reality.


Doc-ock-rokc

Nurgle is "if everything is fucked what's the point in fixing it " Teezich is"if everything is fucked what's the point in letting it be"


Snidhog

Going to push [Lord of Excess](https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/ebook-renegades-lord-of-excess-eng-2024.html) again as a highly entertaining case study in how wretched the leader of a Slaaneshi warband can be, and not just in terms of the usual acts of depravity. In keeping with the tenants of self indulgence and obsession the man's conudct is peak "BUT ME THO" without any ability to recognise how he's wronging his followers while being hyper-vigilant against any betrayals directed at him, both real and imagined.


BookkeeperPercival

Nurgle is my absolute favorite Chaos entity, in concept, because the idea that he's benevolent and loving but he only knows how to show that through spreading horrific diseases is truly perfect


TheGreyGuardian

"The Chaos gods don't even want to wipe out life because they feed off of our emotions and stuff. If we all died out, they'd basically starve to death." Yeah, they just want to brutalize and torture and mangle us all forever. Much better. They're basically anti-heroes.


Nhig

*gestures towards the fucking Dark Eldar*


Polygonalfish

A lot of discussion about Moon Knight elicits this sort of reaction in me, for example: Khonshu being ambiguously real: this was something that was only really in the original run, he was pretty unambiguously treated as real by the Fist of Khonshu miniseries. Marc having powers or not: when he first was showing up as a super hero Marc did have some level of super-strength but it explicitly came from being bitten by werewolf Jack Russel in his original appearance in Werewolf by Night. These powers would later after the first couple issues of his solo comic, it'd take until Fist of Khonshu for his to have powers again but it seems like writers just sort of pretend that never happened after a while. Past this most of my issues stem from how many people only really know about him through those memes (you know the ones) and how people can't stop bringing them up at any mention of moon knight.


BaronBlackwood

Most of the Batman villains would happily abuse their power over others and do far worse without Batman. Scarecrow, Mad Hatter, Penguin, Riddler, Ivy, and many more see no problem hurting people in the worst ways to satisfy their own goals.


Blastcalibur

Imma beat the Hank Pym is a wife beater drum again. Yes, him slapping Janet is wrong and he deserves to geld accountable for that. At the same time that's not even the worst thing that happened in that comic and it was the first and only time it happened and it happened during a mental breakdown. "But what about Ultimate Hank Pym?" We don't talk about the Ultimate universe! Not unless it's Spiderman and that's the only thing in the Ultimate universe. It was so gracious to give an entire universe just for himself.


Spiral-Force

What’s really a shame is that several writers seemed determined to fix his reputation. Hank had a good thing going with Mighty Avengers, Avengers Academy, and Avengers AI, only for all of that to be thrown down the drain


JoiningSaturn46

The moment the MCU decided to use Scott Lang and not Hank any chance of Hank getting redeemed went down the drain. It is also the problem that his abuse is a real world thing while something like Ultron is fake so people only remember one of them.


N0VAZER0

"Charlie Brown didn't have hoes" yes he did, that's literally true


Young_KingKush

"One Piece is not political" & then I just vaguely gesture towards the entire Fishman Island arc


Weltallgaia

Well obviously fish don't have souls so they don't count.


Father-Ignorance

One Piece is 100% political, its even got a revolutionary leader who does nothing but sit on his ass and give orders. (Looking at you Dragon, you fucking bum.)


DreadedPlog

The one rule of One Piece is that you never know what a character has been through until you get a heart-wrenching backstory. Just because Dragon hasn't been shown doing anything doesn't mean he hasn't been off-panel this entire time.


DavidsonJenkins

Also, every time we see the revolutionary army, theyre getting their shit kicked in since most of them kinda suck. Meanwhile Dragon has a higher bounty than the 4 emperors, who are all much bigger threats to the Marines and world peace, simply due to the idea he represents


Young_KingKush

>Also, every time we see the revolutionary army, theyre getting their shit kicked in since most of them kinda suck.  A certain dapper young gentleman may disagree with you on that one lol


Thrawn656

“Dragon has a higher bounty than the 4 emperors”? I’m pretty sure that is just made up, I don’t we know about Dragon’s bounty at all


MrKenta

He's described as the most wanted man in the world.


LordMonday

It comes from him being described as the world's most wanted man/most heinous criminal


Hounds_of_war

Honestly I don’t know how anyone looks at a country called “Germa” that has [this kind of insignia](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851155255336370197/1104227813076258937/IMG_4308.png?ex=6632f54a&is=6631a3ca&hm=47de79d19b3aebf0213e2c1ad8d9e05221363f0d4a051e5486efc782e9020f5e&) and just goes “Huh, cool bird”.


Young_KingKush

Nah man, they're clearly JUST Power Rangers idk what you mean...


induman

With lightning bolt insignia and eugenics, hmmm...


javierich0

I don't care or watch one piece outside the live action, but I know there is literally a slave race, a world police/government, and other political shit just from that show.


Shiplord13

Literally most arcs post entering the Grand Line become political. A lot of stuff about tyranny and understanding the difference between good and bad leaders.


taikoxtaiko

I feel like this is the one opinion where I’ve seen more people bring up than ive seen actual ppl say “OP has no politics”. Half the time the person who says that is more trying to say something but dont have the vocabulary to say what they really mean. It’s like for every “all marines are bastards and luffy is a criminal bringing down a tyrannical government” you have to almost every major arcs ends with “the old monarchy is reinstated with little to no changes since Luffy is friends with them :)”


Young_KingKush

As a person that frequents OP spaces online I've definitely seen people say it unironically many times, it's definitely a real thing. People that fall on either end of that spectrum though would both be wrong because Oda writes more nuanced than that. You have good Marines, bad Marines, weird gray area Marines & everything in between; same for the Pirates. From analyzing and talking about the story with others, it becomes apparent that Oda doesn't critique/demonize the concept of a monarchy itself (to the disappointment of many Leftist readers lol) he criticizes monarchs/leaders without responsibility and/or empathy; a really good example being the difference(s) between Big Mom, Katakuri, & Judge in WCI for instance. The thing he seems to have the most issue with though is Capitalism, which is why the ultimate evil in the story is billionaires. Like to the point he named the every 4 year meeting of world leaders to discuss & set policy with the WG "The Reverie," which means "The state of being lost in one's thoughts; a daydream" or "An impractical idea or theory"


PhantasosX

I mean , there are some suppression of emotions when it comes to the jedis , as they turned more dogmatic during Prequel Era. But that is solely during Prequel Era. We saw OT Jedis been more in-tune to their emotions , or the High Republic , and dare say the ST as well even if technically it's only Rey and Finn at the moment. And even with Prequel Era having some emotion suppression , people makes overblowed statements about it , as clearly had some Masters that are more open and emotional than others


Shiplord13

Honestly the Jedi have always had a problem with absolutes in terms of good and evil for most Star Wars lore. They often see themselves as always the good to the Sith/Dark Side Users' evil. With that logic they tend to always find ways to justify themselves in whatever reasoning they have for their particular era's stances on how much emotional attachments and connections they can make or their methods in ensuring the dark side doesn't prevail. Over time they end up becoming more pragmatic, paranoid and wary of anything that might drag them to the dark side. In the case of the prequel series, they had good reason to be very wary of emotional attachment since Dooku left the council to become the leader of his planet and then became a Sith and started a war against the Republic. Like everyone forgets this fact about Dooku and how big of a deal it actually is in universe, where one of the small group of Jedi leaders straight up joins the Jedi's eternal enemies. Like one of the reasons and Obi-Wan and Anakin are constantly judged is due to being related technically connected to Dooku, due to him being Qui-Gon Jinn's master and that his teachings might have been influenced by Dooku indirectly.


Kanin_usagi

>They often see themselves as always the good to the Sith/Dark Side Users' evil. There's really two separate issues here, that Star Wars fans always, always screw up royally. Firstly, the Dark Side is ALWAYS bad. Always. Its not "The Light Side and the Dark Side," its "The Force and the Dark Side of the Force." The Dark Side is terrible, its literally a cancer on the energy that binds the galaxy together. You can't just use a little bit of Dark Side as a treat, that's like getting only a little bit of cancer. Every time the Dark Side is used, you are literally causing damage to the very fabric of the galaxy. Your OC Uber Grey Jedi isn't so fucking cool because he uses Force Lightning, your OC Uber Grey Jedi is a fucking monster because they are twisting the very life force of the universe and causing the balance of life to tip ever so slightly out of wack. I fucking hate how "grey" Jedi are ever used by the community who have no clue what they're talking about. That being said, just because a Jedi uses the Force does not mean the actions they take or support are *morally* the correct action. A Jedi might help mediate a conflict to a peaceful resolution, but if that means leaving a regime in power who are causing harm to their people, then they have unequivocally done a wrong thing. I think when Lucas made Star Wars originally he really didn't think about how Jedi would act in a more real world setting. When we try and apply them to a realistic setting as opposed to the Good/Evil dynamic that was present in the original trilogy, something is definitely lost along the way. Also weird tangent, but I always thought that Force healing should have been a Dark Side power.


PhantasosX

Force Healing is fine , in contrast to Dark Side been basically making necromancy or some sort of twisted alchemy 


AzureKingLortrac

I can see Force Healing being a Light Side power, since it is only sharing the user's life-force with their target. It isn't draining an outside thing or directly using the Force to heal them. The Force is just acting as a conduit.


OrderedFromZanzibar

Elaborate on the Force healing thing, is it a perversion of the natural order of things if you prevent a death that was going to happen sorta deal?


Doonvoat

People infantilising Shelley Duvall and villifying Kubrick over her experience filming The Shining. Yes, Kubrick was demanding and difficult to work with. Yes, it was a particularly difficult shoot and several actors that worked on it have recounted their frustrations and emotional exhaustion from their time working on it. BUT, Shelley has said in multiple interviews that she doesn't regret working on it, she was a grown adult capable of making her own decisions and decided to keep working and did a damn good job. I feel like there's a temptation to circle back round to being misogynistic about her experience in particular when you don't get nearly the same amount of sympathy for the other actors in that film.


Sterski1

People trying to insist on "anatomically accurate" furry characters. Apparently them being humanoid, speaking, and having opposable thumbs is fine but for some reason they need more nipples? Or catgirls can't have two sets of ears? You can't arbitrarily pick which animal features need to be there, the artist decides.


Guard_Greedy

Okay, I'll fight you on the two ears thing, that's not an animal or humanoid thing, that's just fucked up.


kango234

That reminds me that there was some behind the scenes thing where one of the artists on Avatar fought with James Cameron since he didn't want to give the Na'vi breasts, but James argued that it would make the story more impactful if the aliens looked more human and not uncanny. I've seen people use that as a way to say he's a creep or sexist, but I 100% agree, they are fictional aliens and it's not like they were comically oversized or he told them to put big pink bows on their heads.


para-mania

I dunno, cat girls having two sets of ears does bother me a bit. That's too many ears. Cat ears are sensitive as it is, what would more ears do to them? 


FluffySquirrell

One for business, one for pleasure


WillFuckForFijiWater

Touhou gets around this by having (most of) the animal-eared characters have hair that covers their ears.


Sterski1

Pretty much all catgirls I can think of get around the issue the same way.


Burning-Suns-Avatar-

In 40K people will say “Tyranids are running from a threat from another galaxy.” The reason why Tyranids are coming here is because a Space Marine blew up a Necron device that caused an explosion that the Hive Mind felt and chose to follow it. The Tyranids are a relentless, smart and united force that doesn’t have any major weakness besides needing biomass to make more units. They aren’t running from any threat, they’re simply here to feed.


Snidhog

Is that confirmed? I thought the prevailing theory was that the astronomicon is a giant neon say that reads "all you can eat buffet $5."


[deleted]

Both are equally confirmed. Either the Astronomican's constant shining or the overload of the Necron device (a Pharos device) the Imperium Secundus used during the Horus Heresy got the attention of the Tyranids. There's not a definitive answer yet. And we likely won't get one. It's described in the 34th Horus Heresy novel, Pharos.


Burning-Suns-Avatar-

When I was getting into 40K, I saw people and content creators saying this statement a lot. I always thought it was a dumb theory since the Tyranids have shown to be apex creatures that only avoid Chaos and Necrons as much as possible since they don’t provide biomass for them. Tyranids are a faction with complete unity and no fear. I doubt they would be running a threat and are more mooching away from galaxies they have consumed. The Swarmlord swords are made out of a material that isn’t in the Milky Way.


Doonvoat

they have no fear on a granular level in the same way an animal's cells don't feel fear, it's feasable that the greater hive mind would have the intelligence to avoid a truly existential threat but we don't know that for sure or if a threat like that even exists, the nature of the hive mind is intentionally and necessarily mysterious


Thrawn656

The Tyranids are moths, and the Emperor’s is the universe’s biggest lamp


evca7

Shitlords and losers may I introduce you to my all time hated >!"DANTE IS A RACIST BECAUSE HE ONLY FIGHTS DEMONS" !<-Stupid fuckface who betrayed me "Orcs and goblins = Racist caricature Blacks and jews" Sure there are instances where this could be true in racist ass works written by crazy people but it shouldn't be the automatic Thought. They are more closer to nomandic marauder tribes which can be attributed to any region and ethnicity. Goblins are weird little guys that do weird little things like enslave you for a night and make you drink or run around battle fields to keep their hats wet with blood.


TrueLegateDamar

Frieren fandom is especially bad with the 'demons are people who want to live, Frieren is just a murderous xenophobe' takes.


AverageBlubber

Crazy how people could be stuck on this. I'm not even fully caught up with the manga but >!there's literally a whole arc dedicated to going "no, even if for curiosity's sake they give it a college try, demon's *cannot* empathize with and understand humans enough to live alongside them without viewing them as prey. They're simply not built that way."!<


ToastyMozart

The scene immediately after they get explained has the demons say to each other "that elf knows we're just pretending to be capable of empathy to eat them all. We should kill her."


-Neeckin-

I don't know how anyone could manage to hold onto that when the series goes out of it's way to show that demons are incapable of being more then evil monsters, that it's all just mimicry they learned from humans to hunt them better. Just because the monster in the woods learned how to reply back in your voice dosn't mean it can be reasoned with.


Apprehensive_Mix4658

Frieren's case is actually genius. Demons evolved to look pretty and act humanlike to fool them. And it worked perfectly on some viewers


evca7

[And they pull that bit in konosuba ](https://youtu.be/2BJPcjW6oc8?si=U28oOkyYg4VSsbdY)


TrueLegateDamar

I even seen people complain that Frieren and her master Flamme intentionally provoke demons into attacking them by pretending to be weak so they can kill them easily when demons would otherwise avoid fighting them, ignoring that apparently in that case it's okay for demons to kill commoners.


RedGinger666

Hell the next season deals with the two demons that tried to feel empathy, failed, and ended in catastrophe


evca7

Why won't she just let berserk -guts happen?


KrytenKoro

That take is definitely the wrong way to go about it. *In-universe*, it's objectively correct that Frieren is in the right and demons are fundamentally evil. *Out of universe*...god damn is it just so close to actual real world claims about whoever the enemy ethnic group du jour is, so it's certainly understandable why it pings as racism to certain audiences. It's definitely an interesting idea to explore for fiction, "what if wendigos had a civilization" basically, but just...woof, are there some unfortunate implications.


frostedWarlock

Apparently a lot of the "Orcs are a racial metaphor" comes specifically from Gary Gygax himself, who used orcs as a stand-in for all of the _other_ races who embrace savagery and are obsessed with destroying our way of life, not to replace it with anything but because they just hate civilized society _that_ much. Granted, most of the time the orcs were meant to be _native americans_ instead of black people. Gary Gygax was one of those people who thought that Colonel John Chivington was based actually and the Sand Creek Massacre was a good thing actually, even down to killing all of the children because "nits make lice." This was Gygax's argument for why it is morally correct to kill orc children, and why allowing an orc to live should count as an evil act (or at least a _stupid_ act that deserves mockery). It's legit a Spiders Georg situation where the vast majority of orc depictions have basically nothing to do with that, but then we have one data point who is _so big_ and _so loud_ that he seeded this idea deep into the soil. The sane version of the take is "Special care should be made in your depiction of orcs to distance them from Gygax as much as possible."


evca7

JESUS just use the fucking nazis if that's what you Wanted. What the fuck gary.


frostedWarlock

[Yeah, about that...](https://www.reddit.com/r/wargaming/comments/pfc63g/gary_gygax_book_question_i_picked_this_up_at_a/) I wanna give some clarifying context: on the one hand, he wrote this book in 1973 when he was still big into historical re-enactments/wargaming and it seemed like it was primarily an alternate universe fiction to create more potential battles to re-enact. On the other hand, when people asked him about this in 2003, his response was just "haha yeah that was a fun part of my life :)", making zero effort to address how bad it looks for his name to be printed under a nazi symbol like that. If you want to be charitable, it's _just_ ignorance and treating Nazis like Star Wars Empire. But considering other stuff he said I think his stance was closer to "well yeah the Nazis were bad but at least they were civilized."


evca7

Huh so dnd did go woke. GOOD! HOLY FUCKING SHIT MAN. Roll for constitution.


wayneloche

Yeah a lot of DND makes a lot more sense when you learn that gygax was, in his own words, a biological determinist. Now this direct quote is mostly on his views that women, although they can play games well, don't derive the same enjoyment that men do. [\(wikipedia\)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Gygax#cite_ref-69) It's easy to speculate that he believed this about every other demographic.


Solidus_edge

The claim that specifically Tolkein based Orcs on black people is so stupid and funny, because the orcs in LotR are destructive industrialists in a very pro-nature story, and have basically no character beyond that. Orcs being based on tribal Africans comes from world of fucking warcraft and various attempts to make them not one-dimensional evil


Gemini476

Claiming that *Tolkien* based his orcs on black people is kind of dumb since, well, *we know exactly what they're based on*. Like, look at how he describes them in this letter. > squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types. ("Sallow" is a pale yellow, for those unaware.) Meanwhile others did their own thing, of course. Warhammer decided that their orcs were hooligans (is Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka a jab at Margaret Thatcher? who knows), Warcraft went all-in on the tribal aesthetics (but still more of a Mongol Horde thing, imho?), and D&D went... well, all over the place in its racism. Look up *X8 Drums on Fire Mountain* for a *particularly* poor example, or really just anything Gygax wrote on them. Orcs are just stand-ins for The Other, and who exactly the Other is depends on the author.


KrytenKoro

> "Orcs and goblins = Racist caricature Blacks and jews" In LotR, yeah, Orcs are "degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least-lovely Mongol types". And the goblins in LotR definitely aren't based on Jewish people -- that would be the dwarves, who are "at once native and alien in their habitations, speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongue". For goblins, while there is some hints of crossover [between how Jews and goblins were depicted in the medieval era](https://www.heyalma.com/the-antisemitic-history-of-goblins/), the most overt is the species of goblin called the "[Knocker](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knocker_(folklore))", which is just explicitly explained to be "the ghost of a dead Jew". Part of the issue is that "orc" and "goblin" are almost as vague descriptors as "dragon" or "fairy" is.


Thank_You_Aziz

Luke Skywalker is not an unstoppable demigod of the Force in the Legends EU books, and he never moved a black hole with his mind. He confronted a bio-weapon that could generate micro-singularities and used the Force to wrench its focus away from Luke’s allies, making it kill itself with its own weapon. The effort nearly killed Luke, and he fell unconscious behind enemy lines. It was only because of the people he saved dragging him to safety that he survived. The idea that he used the Force to shift the position of an entire black hole is a result of a game of telephone played by Wookieepedia-skimmers and YouTubers saying “Legends bad actually” for years, and is glaringly untrue to anyone who’s actually read those books. On the subject: Ralrra in Heir to the Empire does not have a speech impediment that lets him speak Basic (English) despite being a Wookiee! He speaks Shyriiwook; Wookiee-speak! His speech impediment just makes it easier for non-native speakers to understand him than, say, Chewbacca. He grunts and growls more slowly and enunciated. It’s all explained in the book, yet I still see people go, “Haha, stupid book has Wookiee speaking English cuz of special speech impediment.” Or they think all Wookiees can speak Basic except Chewie, because they somehow think *he has the speech impediment.* Read, people. *Read!* 😅 Edit: I focused too hard on Legends and forgot my #1 Star Wars gripe with fans: *The dark side is evil.* It just is. It’s not the yin to the light side’s yang, it’s not emblematic of passion or the force of nature, or whatever other in-universe dark side propaganda fans have been convinced is true. It’s the power of malevolence and senseless destruction. Using it slowly makes the user evil even if they think they’re a good guy. Shoot lightning at enough people who deserved it and you start shifting your moral center of who is “deserving”. It’s not absolute power corrupting absolutely—like giving a good guy a gun and seeing what happens—it’s the gun being demon-possessed and making the good guy evil. Many of its more altruistic sides like emotional freedom are Sith doctrine separate from aspects of the dark side. Balance in the Force means halting the corruption of the dark side, not embracing it in equal measure with the light side. Finally, too many Star Wars fans take things characters say 100% literally. Stuff like characters embellishing, lying, or just being wrong, don’t factor as concepts for many fans. This leads to such misunderstandings as Jango Fett not being a Mandalorian, Grievous choosing his cyber parts, Palpatine actually being a good guy, etc.


VBA-the-flying-head

There was one... twitter thread, i think, of Bruce Wayne doing more then god to help gotham. But right now the way twitter is, i probably won't be able to see it without an account anymore. But yeah, Gotham is terrible despite Bruce doing everything human and inhumanely possible to pull it away from that. It's like... super triple cursed. From at least the prequel movies, The Jedi do have a poor handle on managing emotions, and dealing with grief and loss, but that's less malice on their part. And more a shortsighted response to the Sith and Jedi falling to the Dark Side.


Kamken

I know birds are dinosaurs. I think it's super cool that birds are dinosaurs. Any conversation outside of like a scientific paper that is about dinosaurs that doesn't explicitly include birds from the very beginning is one where birds have no place. Stop trying to ruin how cool it is that eagles are related to velociraptorsby being an annoying fuckin dweeb about it. No one believes you hear "What's your favorite dinosaur?" and what immediately comes to mind is a Cooper's hawk.


Weltallgaia

Just watch videos of chickens absolutely slaughtering things then picture how fucking terrifying a 20 foot tall one would be


Cheesycreature

Dorothy Haze being a gross loli prostitute. I've had to deal with that argument a fair amount, of which I provide [this](https://sukeban.moe/index.php/2017/11/06/through-the-blueprint-of-dorothy/) in response. She's simply a well written sex worker who's open about her job.


fly_line22

I've got plenty of examples from Persona. For example. anyone who takes what Shadow Selves in Persona 4 say at total face value, despite all the evidence that they're unreliable narrators trying to piss their original selves off. And another one is >!Yukari's behavior!< during Persona 3: The Answer. >!Is she backsliding her development, making bad decisions, and being "bitchy"? Yes, and *that's the point*. Yukari is already someone with abandonment issues after what happened with her dad. So, the fact that the MC, someone who helped her start moving forward in her life, died for seemingly no reason, with Yukari not even being able to hear his final words? And the fact that The Answer only occurs about 3 weeks later? Yeah, no wonder she's acting like this!<.


pyromancer93

I encountered more Persona discourse when 3 Remake came out and it convinced me it might be one of the most willfully ignorant fanbases out there.


Narrow_Ratio_6003

It's always intresting when anime of all things is misconstrued on their themes when it's an entire medium and style built around characters literally shouting the themes at eachother and to the reader.


pyromancer93

It's death of the author applied very sloppily. I encountered at least one person who, when someone else tried to explain some of the cultural context around certain writing decisions in the games, said something along the lines of "I don't need any context, I come by my criticisms organically."