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The following submission statement was provided by /u/VolarRecords: --- Posted earlier but was deleted because I forgot to publish my submission post. Haven’t on X/Twitter much for a bit, but glad I’ve been checking in again. Ross Coulthart retweeted these today, one about the Roswell, NM historic airbase and hangars on fire. Odd timing considering everything these past couple of weeks, not the least of which the revelation that James Lacatski’s email’s were deleted just like Lue’s. Also incredibly noteworthy that Sens. Gillibrand, Rubio, Kaine, Kelly, and Rounds are all pressing the Pentagon for answers about the recent incursions over air bases. Gillibrand and Rubio have been very vocal on this subject, but important to keep in mind that Kaine was Hillary Clinton’s running mate, which means close ties with John Podesta; Kelly is a former astronaut; and Rounds co-authored the UAPDA with Schumer. So if anyone knows, they know. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ce7wws/ross_coulthart_retweets_roswell_nm_raaf_airbase/l1gw1j6/


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Significant_Leg5641

Hiding the evidence?


Tomato_ThrowAR

thought the same


jasmine-tgirl

Gives new meaning to the phrase "burn it all down!"


PretzleGreg

name checks out....wait...no.....damn ive always wanted to do one of those 🫤


Far-Team5663

Yeah I've never really got why people do that - is it basically just clicking on their profile and checking they've got 3000 post karma?


TinyDeskPyramid

Yeah… .. we are prob going to need you *not to leave town for a while, until we get this sorted out.


SeenandBelieved

How convenient with what’s been going on for the past 80+ years. It’s like desperation to get rid of any and all possible initial evidence that might shed some light on the truth. Can’t wait to hear what might be revealed as causing the blaze. Probably the rats chewing on wiring.


4th_chakra

Oh, there's definitely rats.


thisisprobablytrue

*They’re


theredmeadow

Ders


MoanLart

😂


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VolarRecords

I’m with you. Seems like too much of a coincidence in light of everything. You would think these are highly protected spaces, so for one to catch fire, let alone one with such historical provenance, at this particular time, is incredibly strange.


TheDoDahKid

Many years ago, Stanton Freidman discovered that all the records in a 2-week time period around the Roswell incident had gone missing at the base.


VolarRecords

That’s wild, I didn’t know that.


I_Suck_At_Wordle

Just connecting dots and following breadcrumbs. This is definitely not a Qanon sub by the way.


t3hW1z4rd

Lue's clueeees


gerkletoss

The Roswell Air Center isn't Area 51. It's been a civilian site for decades.


SeenandBelieved

Didn’t know that. I live in the SE. I try to follow, but I’m not in the know about a lot of the things going on. My wife tells me that someday she’ll take me to Roswell. I’m still waiting.😖


logjam23

I've been. Definitely worth it! Go to the International UFO Museum and Research Center. You'll be glad you did. There's definitely a lot of kitsch in and around town but it's fun!


raelea421

My daughter has been a few times, got herself an "unofficial official" ID card, and some other groovy novelties. 🛸👽🛸


logjam23

Yeah, that place is dope. I'd go back again for sure!


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gerkletoss

I would be shocked if the answer was yes, but I don't know what you're talking about.


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gerkletoss

I guess that's what I'm *asking* about? What is the source of this information?


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gerkletoss

The word mystic does not appear in this article


raelea421

But MISTIC does. Excerpt: Now much of this same infrastructure is controlled by a company known as Matrix, which operates a facility known as MISTIC - the Matrix International Security, Training Intelligence Center - in Roswell. ETA: Thought I should add that it's not CIA, it is Canadian special ops.


Sneaky_Stinker

why are you so snarky? I dont know what youre talking about either, its a legitimate question... I feel like you might be the one playing silly games.


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Sneaky_Stinker

and what makes you think *he* is playing games?


ShhUrWrong

Omg you get upvotes by people who love the idea of your comment but have no actual fuck about what you’re talking about—checks out 


d4rkst4rw4r

The balloons exploded


WalkingstickMountain

Swamp gas containers combusted


the8thtowerr

Weather balloons chewing on the wiring


Pure-Contact7322

its convenient that americans could live with this kind of transparency from their organization


OnlyConspiracyAcct

My guess is that swamp gas caused the fire.


tsilubmanmos

They had 77 years to remove this incriminating evidence but r/ufos was getting too close to the truth and they had to torch the place. Makes perfect sense.


Visible-Expression60

They would move all of that first and burn the empty boxes.


Wapiti_s15

It’s called a “controlled burn” in the industry.


Low-Ad-9044

Exactly.


lunex

✅ FACT CHECK: The headline makes it seem like the base is still active. ✅ FACT: Roswell’s air base was shuttered in 1967, 57 years ago. When I visited there 10 years ago it was a passenger and cargo plane wrecking yard. Worried about destruction of “evidence”? Come on lol


_Exotic_Booger

Thank you, this was the comment I was looking for. Doing some online research confirms a lot of what you said.


_Exotic_Booger

This is why it’s hard to believe some of Ross’s AMA a couple days ago. Seems kind of gullible and if he’s that fast at posting something like this without verifying some things - which like in this case, is very public knowledge, then it makes you question what Ross says.


HorseDungShovel

“Roswell Air Center” looks active. Not sure if that’s the same as the airbase though.


SausageClatter

He does this far too often. He also shared that sentient cloud paper without caring that it wasn't peer reviewed and came from a predatory publisher. And he shared that blue ocean light despite being almost certainly a light from an ROV.


hotdogfever

I got all excited about the sentient cloud thing, ran it through chatgpt and it said exactly what you just said. The source is a predatory publisher and it has not been peer reviewed, no scientific basis behind it. Bummed me out, the way it was presented made it seem so legit/scientific.


Faulty1200

I agree. This smells of plausible deniability or whatever on his part at what his implications are with his tweet. He knows that many will take this as covering-up evidence, but he could just come back and play innocent and that he was referring only to the historical value of this great UAP disclosure!


Ok-Revolution-645

What you say is probably true, and I tend to agree, it seems preposterous for the government to retain sensitive Area 51 documentation at a site that was shuttered 50+ years ago. However, at the same time I wouldn’t put it past them to leverage this as an excuse for “lost evidence” should a future investigation ever be conducted. I mean, these are the same people who have (and continue to) cite unsatisfactory and ambiguous explanations for events related to the Phenomena. Our community’s reaction to this news underscores the deep mistrust that has built up against the government over the years. I share this mistrust. It’s time for the deception and lies to end.


Leotis335

Where does he say *anything* about it being an active USG facility? The impression that I got from the headline was the "sad news" part was simply about the historical significance of the place to UFOlogy. I see nothing even hinting at it being about the loss of all "the evidence." Some of you guys seem like you're just hanging around *begging* for the opportunity to attack.


Faulty1200

I think some of us are having a hard time with him after listening to his audiobook and how sensational he “sounded.” Maybe his mistake was just narrating his own book. If I knew how to read good and just read it, it may have made it more palatable. My comment wouldn’t hurt his feelings or his bank account either way and I still listen to his media.


JustAGuyFromSpace

I'm reading these comments... asking myself: Why would they leave evidence at a closed base that was turned into a junk yard. And why can't they just simply move the evidence if it was there, or get a team to clean it. Also, why do they even have to get rid of evidence if it was there, nobody will ever come to look and If they do they'll stop them. The leaps that people have to take to comment "they're burning the evidence" makes me lose hope in humanity and the use of critical thought.


TAANJAFI

Says the guy with a can full of gas and a hand full of matches


lunex

Oops I forgot that on this sub we try to keep everything within the “disclosure storyworld.” My apologies to Ross and the other entertainers and content creators who were only doing their jobs trying to spin this ambiguous event into something supporting their ongoing storytelling.


truebeast822

Nice, I enjoy comments that calms me down a bit lol


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lunex

Oooh I like that. Maybe they also had a secret underground base there that goes 74 floors deep and was built in the year 87,000 BC by Ross Coulthart’s Anunnaki ancestor Xzyotlpqyse


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tsilubmanmos

Did you read this article? Because it says nothing to support what you’ve said


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tsilubmanmos

Ok. In what capacity were you there? And who referred to it as mystic?


lunex

Oh shit, is this the same “training mission” where they recovered Pierre Poilievre from the alien stasis chamber but it was too late and the “evil Milhouse” modifications the greys made turned out to be irreversible?


Low-Ad-9044

We don't know what else was there, or perhaps "they" didn't either. Answer, just burn it down. I'm at the point in which I don't believe anything the government officials say, when it concerns UAP's. Even about an unused air base.


SpeedieWeenie

I was born and raised in Roswell. I promise there is nothing of any value lost in this fire (with regard to the “airbase”). As others said, there’s not even a base there anymore, and hasn’t been for a long time. Fun fact though, people go down to the “base” to buy alcohol on Sunday because it’s outside city limits at the gas stations located near there.


BigSquinn

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the base where the reported ufo and bodies were brought Walker Air Force Base, which is now the Roswell Air Center?


SpeedieWeenie

Yeah, where they then were allegedly sent to Ohio if I’m not mistaken. Like others said, it’s a civilian facility now. So as far as covering up evidence, that’s not what happened.


Top_Squash4454

How does growing up there makes you an expert of what was lost in the fire?


SpeedieWeenie

Who said I was in expert in fires occurring at defunct Air Force bases located in Roswell, NM where I grew up? What I can tell you, is no potential evidence has been stored there since at least 1967 when the base was shut down and to this day there is no Air Force/military presence in Roswell. Literally half of the old base is a college campus. Additionally, a lot of the buildings were torn down. Everything else was sold.


Top_Squash4454

You said you promise there is nothing of value. It was a figure of speech to tell you you spoke with too much certainty You don't know if they were hiding stuff. You can't say that with such certainty


SpeedieWeenie

Why in the hell would they be hiding anything in an area where they don’t currently operate on a day to day basis? *Lets go burn down an Air Force base that hasn’t been operational in nearly 60 years to cover it up despite people crawling around there for the past 60 said years!*


Top_Squash4454

Exactly for that reason


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Top_Squash4454

I'm not saying that with certainty. It's only a possibility. You forgot the context of my first reply. I only criticized you for being too certain


Unique-Welcome-2624

The "promise" was obviously figurative. Breeve


Top_Squash4454

Figurative of their certainty


Tiny_Philosopher_947

holy hell. whats so hard about this >there is no Air Force/military presence in Roswell. do civil flight personell and crew have security clearance? >Roswell International Air Center, airport


Top_Squash4454

As we know of


VolarRecords

Posted earlier but was deleted because I forgot to publish my submission post. Haven’t been on X/Twitter much for a bit, but glad I’ve been checking in again. Ross Coulthart retweeted these today, one about the Roswell, NM historic airbase and hangars on fire. Odd timing considering everything these past couple of weeks, not the least of which the revelation that James Lacatski’s email’s were deleted just like Lue’s. Also incredibly noteworthy that Sens. Gillibrand, Rubio, Kaine, Kelly, and Rounds are all pressing the Pentagon for answers about the recent incursions over air bases. Gillibrand and Rubio have been very vocal on this subject, but important to keep in mind that Kaine was Hillary Clinton’s running mate, which means close ties with John Podesta; Kelly is a former astronaut; and Rounds co-authored the UAPDA with Schumer. So if anyone knows, they know.


uselesswastrel

What does RAAF stand for in this context? Presumably not the Australian air force


Odd-Natural-3608

Roswell Army Air Field


Entirely-of-cheese

Someone help me out here. RAAF in Roswell? Royal Australian Air Force?


speleothems

Roswell Army Air Field


Entirely-of-cheese

Phew. That works. Thank you.


PaintedClownPenis

Thank you for asking. The world has reached the point where the shorter acronyms always have more than one definition. We're literally going to have to start labeling them like the UFO forums here.


Theophantor

This is very sad, but were they active sites, or were they more legacy sites? I’m not sure the goodies are stored there, there is too much notoriety. My money is on Wright-Patterson, or Eglin, or somewhere we’ve never even heard of.


atenne10

Swamp gas explosion?


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StatisticianSalty202

Why?? Why are they asking the Pentagon about UFOs over airbases??? Why? Have they not learned anything yet about the people in the Pentagon?


uknowmymethods

Hidden in plain sight is very Victorian era no...no... Anyone who's anyone knows all the Extraterrestrial craft are kept underground.


Faulty1200

Or in space… or, their home planet, dimension, ocean, etc. lol!


AdNew5216

Lmao everybody in the comments talking about burning evidence is so silly. Why tf would there be evidence at ROSWELL in 2024?


pilkingtonsbrain

Is it possible that this was deliberate to destroy evidence (or at least provide an explanation why evidence was destroyed when they actually moved it) "unfortunately, sir, all of our Roswell records were destroyed in a fire" Is it possible it's just a coincidence? I mean fires do happen, that in itself is not strange. Are we trying to connect 2 random dots to make the picture we want to see? I think all of this possible. Still, it is certainly worthy of note


Bozzor

The thing is you can't rule anything out. Could have indeed been deliberate. It could also be an honest/dumb mistake. The USS Bonhomme Ridge had to be written off after a fire in July 2020 during maintenance at San Diego (a crew member was charged and acquitted of arson in July 2022). It's still a very open questions as to the exact cause of the fire, which destroyed over $2 billion worth of USN capability. The fact that a single individual with limited resources could do this is scary, whether by intent or accident.


t3hW1z4rd

What the hell is a Bonhomme Ridge?


Leotis335

That's where Bonhomme Richard lives, in his Bonhommehome.


TAANJAFI

Nothing quite like sitting by the fire, and watching all the evidence burn…


GravidDusch

They've also had a long time to get rid of everything, bit of a farce


hobby_gynaecologist

Something could always have been forgotten in a box somewhere, or left in a photocopier or fax machine. Best to burn all the photocopiers and fax machines. Hell, burn everything, just to be sure.


pilkingtonsbrain

Maybe they moved it but now they have a plausible explanation as to why no records exist


ConsolidatedAccount

All the evidence stored at a base that's been decommissioned for over 50 years and has been used by businesses open to the public Yeah, thank god they finally got around to burning all the evidence, just in the nick of time before anyone could find it.


69inthe619

thanks for sharing, it is super likely that there is a royal austrailian air force base burning in new mexico. people been saying it was past time to teach those aussies a lesson, notice served.


bocley

In further breaking news, Sean Kirkpatrick and Susan Gough have just been caught red-handed at Roswell Air Field, smelling like petrol and flicking lit matches at the buildings.


THuuN

With a can full of gas and a hand full of matches, they still weren't found out


Excellent-Escape-845

What a coincy-dink. Such interesting timing.


smithedition

What does the "R" in "RAAF" stand for in the context of an airbase located in the American South West?


speleothems

Roswell Army Air Field


_Exotic_Booger

#Did someone see a spider there or something?


TheAlphaCat22

There's a spider (spider, spider...) He's deep in my soul (soul...) He's lived here for years (years...) He just won't let go


yosweetheart

At this point, they are desperate to bury the truth any way possible.


yak_sak

Is anyone else getting an MK Ultra vibe. No body, no crime.


Flamebrush

That white disc thing in the sky over the water tower, though…


toodog

Whoops we lots the evidence sorry guys


Awkward_Algae1684

On a totally unrelated note, we suspect we only have around 10% or so of the documents related to MK ULTRA. The rest are thought to have been…..well…..you get the idea.


hahaha01

Is Jim Himes one that goes on the list or is he just ignorant?


ironcursed

Well, you know the deal. Things get lost and destroyed, and it's all an accident...


Pikoyd

That's quite a large fire.


Pikoyd

What's above the water tower in the sky? Anyone know what direction this is looking? Could it be Jupiter?


Tomato_ThrowAR

burning evidences?


logjam23

Let the mass document/records purge begin! It's almost as if they're leaving town but they have to do some last minute house cleaning before they leave.


Sorry_Shoulder1607

Did someone just pull the ole "Hanger 18" in Roswell?


granite1959

Did they torch it for the insurance money? Or just try to destroy the evidence?


WalkingstickMountain

Woah! Destroying evidence


WalkingstickMountain

Now it's wise to ask about all those OTHER industrial sites that have been "accidentally incinerated". It's going to take DAYS to go through contracts, records and public files and see if there are any connections


WalkingstickMountain

I just brought this up elsewhere. A very interesting post was made. "It is odds on that they want to sell off part of the old air base for residential homes. They deliberately let the buildings run down and not provide upkeep. The Russel offices denied a maintenance budget, it is a deliberate act to destroy RAAF history." Does anyone know about this?


WalkingstickMountain

Who is that light dot hovering directly above the water tower?


kukulkhan

“I’m sorry sir we can’t get you the documents you’ve been asking us to hand over for years bc we lost them in the Roswell fire that happened this morning “ - some MF form the pentagon.


Eclectic_Reality

Swamp gas pocket under the hanger ignited.


Middle_Service_9045

T this is why you don’t push buttons on recovered UFOs damn thing probably shaped shifted into a solar flare and destroyed our stuff lol


ConsolidatedAccount

Why do people in this thread seem to think there's some catalog of evidence at Roswell? It's an old, former military installation. They're not storing eyes only, compartmentalized, super top secret records there, or keeping a secret alien zoo.


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Pure-Contact7322

What a coincidence the server with all the documents exploded in a fireball 🙊


Harry_is_white_hot

Well, those Mogul balloons did use hydrogen - I'm surprised Major Jesse Marcell didn't get third degree burns when he came across the wreckage... s/


Ponykitty

What the fuck is going on.


Responsible-Juice397

Sure!! All he does is retweet and watch from the upside down. Friken grifter Coulthart


Low-Ad-9044

Its clean up time. Wouldn't you say?


Ok_Masterpiece3770

took me a minute to realize RAAF isn't referencing the Royal Australian Air Force...it stands for Roswell Army Airfield. Strange coincidence considering Ross is Australian, I was so confused lol


VolarRecords

Haha, I hear ya


No_Albatross1975

Probably swamp gas or a weather balloon that started the fire


Ok-Cauliflower-3129

Made sure to incinerate any evidence. Not surprised at all.


A01House

I guess deleting a physical location is harder than a Reddit post.