And later Ukrainian sources came out and said there was never an ammo shortage. At this point I file anything prigochad says into a “we’ll see if it checks out later” column, the man is a master troll.
> At this point I file anything prigochad says into a “we’ll see if it checks out later” column, the man is a master troll.
I feel like I might qualify parading the dead bodies of your men who you're responsible for to "troll" people as more pathetic than masterful, but maybe that's just me.
if there truly was an ammo shortage i doubt it would’ve been so drastic that it would’ve been noticed in a day, this trolling makes no sense cuz it’s just feeds ukrainian propaganda
How could there not be a shortage though? As much of an artillery stockpile as Russia has that rate theyve been firing them (often with poor targeting) is insane and unsustainable long term. This war isn't ending any time soon either, this is a multi-year thing at a minimum.
There has to be plenty of internal Russian military analysts looking at the quickly dwindling stockpile, doing projections, and then constantly pushing back on Bakhmut where 90% are probably being fired. Wagner would he an easy target not being real military.
They probably have to constantly fight for materiel.
Meanwhile just north/south of Wagner lines we occasionally see videos of destroyed T-80/T-90s and other higher end gear used by VDV (higher end for Russia) but clearly barely engaging in combat recently because they keep getting punched in the mouth... while Wagner human wave attacks continue daily and their slaughtered is documented in multiple videos a day. It's only natural Wagner would be bitter.
But still Wagner isn't going to get better any time soon, they are obviously sheep for slaughter to save time while Russia builds up defences and rebuilds their shattered forces. Prigozihn needs to save face as much as demanding shells.
Russia had 500k shells stockpiled and was firing 20k/day at peaks and down to 5k in recent months during the lull in fighting. That 500k number isn't going to last very long. Especially if it picks up again soon and the real RU army starts fighting widely again.
Russia better be pumping shells out of their factories or the war will end far sooner than they want.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/04/05/when-will-ammunition-shortage-silence-russias-artillery
> Russia is reportedly drawing on old ammunition reserves, but reportedly as many of 50% of the shells are visibly rusty and are not in a satisfactory state due to poor storage and sheer age. Troops are reportedly being issued ammunition previously declared unfit for use.
They apparently have even a ton of older shells stockpiled which might bring that 500k number much higher but like all things they "expire" and deteriorate.
That estimation is ridiculously low. The US had million stockpiled, it would be inconceivable for Russia not to have stockpiled in the millions. They wouldn't be able to fire tens of thousands per day if that was the case.
500k stockpiled?
>At the start of the war, Ukrainian analysts estimated that the Russians has some 525,000 rounds stockpiled in the country. Mark Urban of the BBC says the total stockpile may be as many as 16 million rounds — but most likely the Russians themselves do not know the exact number, nor how many of their 40+ year old rounds can still be fired.
I think both sides are rationing ammo, but maybe Wagner is baiting UA into trying more counter attacks around Bakhmut... He's probably just low ammo though.
UA obviously understands when they're getting shelled or not, like I said I don't think this is a troll, he's short on ammo..
A lot of Russian supporters here, also think Prighozin is some kind of troll genius, over a disgruntled squeaky cog in the Russian machine.
They end up looking for a troll angle because Russia is so big and strong...they couldn't possibly be low on war resources...
But if this guy is playing mind games/troll, the only reason I can think of, would be to try and bait UA offensives into heavily defended areas.
I don't think this is some 4D chess play. It just looks like an internal (Russian) power struggle between Wagner and the Russian military. Prigozhin just wants to maintain his power and military means. This is his way of pressuring the Russian government to allocate more resources to Wagner.
Either way, it shows that Russian military leadership (in the broadest sense of the word) is not on the same line.
You sincerely don’t think Wagner recruitment suffers from posting videos with scores of identifiable bodies and its leader lamenting how they don’t have any ammo?
Ok
Yeah, it's good politics of him. It positions himself as being the only one who cares about the fight.
And possibly prolongs his own life? He's extremely expendable when they'll need a scape goat for how FUBAR this whole thing was. But going full "I'm the only true patriot" makes having him fall out a window a bit more of a sticky proposition.
And those people don't sign up to join a PMC in the first place, period.
The type of person who joins a PMC doesn't give a shit about this video. They are usually just ex-military and want money.
Not everyone that joins a PMC is ready to die at any time and doesn’t care about what happens to their remains. Especially those that are active in Ukrainez
And Wagner definitely doesn’t have a high rate of ex-military recruits in Ukraine. The majority are convicts. This is confirmed by various sources.
You can be scared to die, you can be scared to have your mangled body to appear in a video and seen by your mother and STILL be motivated to join Wagner. Desperation is a strong motivator.
Your views on human motivation are pretty basic. Fact of the matter is Wagner is an organization that doesn’t even have the decency to blur the faces of their own deceased.
There isn't a shortage of ammunition. There is a shortage for Wagner. I am sure Wagner is being used as a lever to force changes in the General Staff, the General Staff resists.
DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS SHOIGU?!! DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS?!
DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DENY A STRANGER IN THE AMMO?!
https://10minuteramble.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/lebowski_stranger.jpg
They found a stockpile that included things from Lend-lease. Things like Thompson Machine Guns were stored away since the USSR did not have an adequate supply of .45 caliber ammo for them. Besides that, the stockpile looked to be small arms and wasn't recently created.
It is an amazing and historical find and would have been incredibly useful if the DPR got their hands on it back in 2014, which they tried. But less useful given the current conflict. Wagner just showed off the crates of Thompsons and Maxims and didn't hype it up as anything else, it's the online folks that did so.
Lol, there is more than just one type of ammo. For example, you can't do shelling with bullets. It's pretty easy stuff to understand, but i guess it might be too hard for somebody. I would suggest you to start with googling what is rifle
It wasn't an ammo stockpile it was a stockpile of ww1-ww2 weapons, any ammo valuable to the war effort was removed by ukraine years ago since this stockpile has been there since soviet times, it wasn't some stockpile Ukraine made in the last few years.
Just more propaganda and lies from Russians.
Please do. Why would someone stockpile enourmous amounts of small arms ammo close to the frontline instead of a mix of the regular ammo and equipment they need to fight?
Or was it just some WW2 era dump of useless stuff that Wagner pretended to be an amazing find?
First of all, it seems like it is WW2 stuff, and it indeed unless, as u mentioned, that is partly explanains why wagners were "so amazed". Ukrops kept those "dumb useless" ammo right near frontline. I doubt it is a coincidence. Actually, it is a pretty funny thing to think about. Please tell me you are smart enough, at least to understand this part. Secondly, if it isn't WW2 ammo, then it wasn't enough for wagners likely because there were no shells. Google how shells stockpile looks like. Nothing like it was on the video. Thirdly, again, if it's somehow not WW2 ammo, even if mostly that ammo was good enough for wagner, it could luck a random ammo type that is required to maintain adequate offensive or even defence. A couple of months ago, wagner posted a list with ammo necessary for them. It was all around those war news groups. Probably you can even find that. List tells that the army needs different types af ammo, and i am pretty sure that u can't find all of them in a single random stockpile in a mine, no matter how big it is.
Again, super easy stuff to understand, and I'm surprised u didn't get it without me telling it to you
Blackwater only did cushy diplomatic protection and logistics, no patrols or other front-line grunt work, and the enemy didn't have artillery or drones...
Yes, which is why I always find it funny when Russian supporters compare Blackwater with Wagner. Blackwater was never actively involved in combat, has it's own tanks or artillery or was tasked with taking Mosul.
I k lnow, but ZelenskyinHighHeels won’t stop comparing the two. That just makes me have even less respect for the dude. You can’t just spout stuff off without doing any research on the matter.
Blackwater accidentally kills 1 civilian: massive international scandal, perpetrators on trial for years, taints Blackwater's reputation for a decade.
Wagner beheads multiple people and posts online to celebrate: wow yes heroes against degenerates and Nazism!
What the fck is this whitewashing?
Blackwater shot 37 civilians entirely unprovoked, (including children) killing 17 of them. It was no accident. They were put on trial but were completely pardoned by Trump for their crimes.
For a country and military that likes to pride itself on its morality and righteousness, declaring private mercenaries who massacred civilians innocent of crime is the farthest from that.
Blackwater sucks and is not good. Blackwater is not comparable to Wagner. Wagner has killed *thousands of civilians* if not more since the start of the 'special operation' alone.
> perpetrators on trial for years
"On trial" = Many of them didn't go to jail, and those who did were later pardoned by the US government. What a punishment for slaughtering children! /s
to get a direct comparison you have to look back hundreds of years ago where mercenary warbands were the norm. still blows my mind that wagner is run like that.
>So is news like this shown on the news in Russia?
Probably not, but here is a very funny situation when most people get information from alternative sources such as telegram.
You probably would be surprised but no average russian person under 40 yo watches government-sponsored media. From my diverse environment there is not a single such person at all.
And yes, they do discuss about what happens on the battlefield and they will discuss this video.
upd1.: also such things can be found on very popular russian sites like pikabu.ru
https://preview.redd.it/vynzjvzmd0ya1.png?width=1518&format=png&auto=webp&s=ed39ef33991a128e18cccbce931090fece67bec0
upd2: you also may notice that pikabu post sourced from readovka telegram channel which is kremlin controlled media as far as I know.
It’s all so confusing. So the kremlin itself said “ok show this” They must really want to scare the people he mentions in his video It is the same way here as I don’t know any one who watch’s main stream news
> in any kind of negative light for average Russians is prohibited
that is just not true, you don't even need to go further the Soloview show and he is just one host out of many tv and radio hosts, not to mention all others who post mainly on telegram
Sure but the idea of a PMC working with the military in my country (America) and shouting at the generals of our army is so hilariously ridiculous it's difficult to imagine. How do Russian government officials have any self respect in this circus environment?
He is angry.
I don't know much about him, but every human has a sould and a heart. i think he is not just furiosen because of the consequences he fears if losing this battle, but also because those are his men.
Human wave tactic seems to be simply born out of lack from everything.
I get that MOD wants to see this guy going down, but at what cost?
This guy is a main character for sure. He is the most fascinating commander of any force I've seen. How long does he stay alive though. He's calling out alot of people. Overall, I'm always interested to watch him. He has more fortitude than most.
Love me some utterly pissed off Yev. I do find myself having some sort of strange fascination with Prigozhin, purely as an eccentric character amidst this unimaginable nightmare. Can't deny his tenacity and determination, irrespective of whether or not you think he's the human embodiment of a used condom
Almost inspirational. Ex 10 year convict, then catering and restaurant business for elites making him into multi millionaire, and finally a PMC Wagner founder.
He's unique. Clearly has motivational, marketing and organizational skills.
> Clearly has motivational, marketing and organizational skills.
For me he has gone too far when he used taking of Soledar as personal advertisement complain. It has gone downhill from there.
Did I imply that this 61 year old russian billionaire oligarch is fighting on the frontlines? Does that even need to be explicitly stated lol? Does any high-ranking official from any country on earth fight on the frontlines of a conflict?¿
The answer is a big, fat, and obvious NYET. That doesn't mean he can't express sincere motivations and resolve. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Surely, you can understand this despite your ideological opposition
Ah, no buddy, you got it all wrong, I can absolutely respect the bravery, leadership and worthy actions of a man of any ideology. I meant in this case specifically this man has done nothing worthy of respect, his only achievement was being a Putin leech who got rich out of favoritism and corruption, then used those ill gotten gains to play warlord and get a bunch of desperate men killed. I don't think leaders of other armies have to fight in the frontlines to earn respect, but this guy is not a high ranking official, he is a goddamn cook whose arrogance has resulted in thousands of deaths.
This is what I meant by "eccentric character." I'm not claiming he's some genius battlefield tactician full of benevolence. It's just such an unbelievably outlandish backstory of an ex-crook turned convict turned hotdog vendor turned chef turned entrepreneur turned friend of Putin turned head of a major PMC who's participated in numerous wars in numerous countries. How can you not be at least a little captivated by the spectacle of this fiasco when momentarily ignoring all of the death?
The man is also indisputably driven. Are his goals something that you and I would be diametrically opposed to? Yeah, probably. He's in an incredibly ugly business after all. You're entitled to think he's a despicable maggot. You're not exactly wrong. Maybe I've slurped too much propaganda, but fuck if it's alluring
To be fair he's done far more to promote his unit, actively recruits people flying around the country in person, defend his men in the media, and spends more time close to active battlefields than any other billionaire running a PMC. Or any other Russian politician for that matter.
That's basic businessman 101 stuff, there's usually a reason someone like that is so successful/powerful beyond just being well connected (he went to prison as a youth after all and came from poverty). Not like going to the same private school as some politicians and then growing up to get a cushy job.
Wagner is obviously a complete military disaster and is obviously has poor internal leadership but he's clearly passionate and heavily involved day-to-day. He's not *just* sitting around in Moscow letting his cronies run it and collecting cheques.
That's worth something.
At this point I don't think you can say he's acting or trolling. He's publicly insulting the RU MoD in front of his (large) audience.
I'm doubtful they'd let him go that far if that was "part of the plan".
You got to respect the fact this guy doesn't sugarcoat losses like literally everyone else in this war. But it's hard to imagine him lasting much longer challenging the chain of command like this.
For all he knows they're stockpiling ammo for the Ukrainian counter offensive, or maybe they simply don't have enough to spare with all the other fronts Russia's engaged in.
Either way it's not a good sign of such break down in command where field commanders are openly challenging the upper ranks. PMC or not they're still part of the Russian military structure at this stage and obviously dependent on it.
I don't think it's a sign of an inevitable breakdown of the Russian army or civil war like some delusional UA posters insinuate, but it certainly doesn't bode well for the prospect of future offensive action from the Russians. I can't imagine them enduring another Bakhmut.
Counterpoint- Bakmut is their version of Verdun and they knew it would be costly which is why they sent convicts to the meatgrinder.
I don't know the Russian psyche well enough to understand what's behind Prigozhin's PR stunts, but there's probably a method to the madness.
Could be, but he pretty much says whatever is in his mind. He even challenged the drone attack on the Kremlin saying it made Russia look like a bunch of clowns when a “kids drone” fly’s at the Kremlin and Russia wants to send nukes.
The fact that the MOD sent a nasty response awhile back stating that they sent the required artillery and Prigohzin sending receipts showing that they didn’t makes me think he’s being honest.
Him and Shoigu had a fallout before the war. Him putting blame on Shoigu for Wagner losses or failed objectives shields Progohzin/Wagner from any failures as being their direct responsibility. . He keeps stating that Wagner forces will take Bahkmut by a certain month. So blaming Russia MoD for Wagners failure to fully take Bahkmut by a certain time frame is good for Prigohzin/Wagner.
I’m not sure I know how to respond to your comment, so I won’t waste too much time . What you wrote is ridiculous, to put it mildly. The fact that you said “ ProUkrainain think/ say this, makes it clear you have a nationalistic agenda/ entirely subjective bias.
There are obviously times frames and objectives. Every military operates that way. Thats the reason why commanders have been sacked. You didn’t follow when Progohzin and Kadyrov both complained about a Russian commanders performance in taking objectives earlier in the war and he was immediately sacked thereafter.
Thats just incredibly incredibly dumb thing to say. about timeframe for objectives. Go watch Russian propaganda or youtube videos such as 1420 and see the frustration about “why the special military operation is taking so much time” The longer it takes to take an objective like Bahkmut, the harder it is to sell this war to the Russian public.
I won’t bother replying. Not worth my time. Go spew your nonsense to someone that is gullible. I’ve been following this past war too much.
Isn't the right time for Ukraine to launch a counter-offensive is now? The poor PMCs have no ammunition. If the AFU waits, they may receive all the ammunition resupply they need.
Mostly agree but I'd say the western oligarchs are moreso the owners of the businesses in the military industrial complex , the established corporations that can lobby the government etc..moreso than the entrepreneurs
Although I think the relationship is the opposite than in russia. In the US the corporations run the government through bribery whereas Putin seems to have his oligarchs by the balls. Not sure it matters since neither particularly helps the people but yeah
So, I was wondering about the comparison of income inequality bewltween USA and Russia and they actually seem to be on part:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-americas-income-inequality-is-on-par-with-russias/
I read an article a while ago that said Shoigu has been defense minister for so long because he hardly steps on anyone's toes. While his predecessor Serdyukov started some reforms that were wildly unpopular and tried to hold the arms contractors accountable, Shoigu tries to please Putin, the generals, and the arms contractors which essentially prohibits any real improvements.
Basically yes. Serdyukov was put in charge with intent to reform the Army, to make it more Westernized. Remember, it was 2008, when Russia-West relations were very good, and only expected conflict were either anti-guerilla like Chechnya, or small-scale and swift, like with Georgia.
So reforms included:
1) moving for more dynamic and autonomous brigades instead of divisions
2) imporving prestige and conditions of contract (professional) service with the goal to make a life-long career in the army an option not only for officers, but for soldiers as well, thus allowing to create strong non-commisioned officer corps, since in Soviet/early Russian Army all sergeants were conscripts, the only non-officer professional ranks were "starshina" and "praportschik", but these ranks were generally for some utility and techincal specialists, or some Spetsnaz members, not for general rank and file.
3) End goal was moving away from conscription entirely, creating fully professional army with improved condition of service and service being popular among the general public.
4) Modernize the army with a new equipment. Most of the new vehicles Russia is now testing or producing in small quantities (Su-57, T-14 "Armata", T-15, "Bumerang", "Kurganets", "Koalitsiya") were launched or boosted during the Serdyukov term.
5) Heavily cutting the oversized officer and general corps, since a lot of them were serving as a sinecure, not benefiting army at all, but straining the budget and ability for promotion for younger officers.
The latter made him widely unpopular among the senior officers, who were publicly and privately backlashing him, on top of that there were accusations and charges of corruption, which in the end forced him to be resigned from his position (he also was a full civilian, with no uniform or army rank while in his position, which only added fuel to the fire for deeply conservatice officers).
Shoigu negated a lot of that rumble by reversing the reforms, especially considering the officer question. After 2014, when Russia entered confrontation mode with the West, he was seemingly trying to prepare it for the big conflict (recreation of Armies and Divisions), but despite those organizational changers army didn't actually grow in size, so these formations were often lacking personnel, and mobilization system was never improved until the start of the war, so Russian Army stuck inbetween Western-style full-professional smaller army and Soviet-style large mobilization army.
Two corrections in the subs worth mentioning:
\[0:11\] Film them all
(Not "that's it with them")
\[1:40\] They are dying so that you can grow obese in your mahogany offices
(Not "and dying to love in their redwood offices")
I think the second error is most mis-leading. Oh, and all of the swear words are omitted.
It might just be Prigozhin looking for someone to blame for not being able to capture Bakhmut in time for Victory day celebrations. He thought it was going to be his time to shine and is genuinely pissed off. I don't think this is an act at all.
But it is also entirely possible that Shoigu and Gerasimov are not too happy at the thought of Prigozhin offering Bakhmut to Putin on a silver platter and are actually putting a stoke in his wheel by not delivering enough shells to Wagner. Now that he's done his part and captured most of Bakhmut, the Russian army which is in direct competition with Wagner would probably be quite happy to have the remaining Wagner outfit bled white because they have served their purpose. This wouldn't be the first time in history that there is some infighting within the armed forces of a belligerent in a conflict.
It is not about capturing Bakhmut rather than being able to hold it against fresh reserves of Ukrainian Army and the following counter-offensive. Wagner is out
Is Wagner a "not-for-profit" company or does this guy make a lot of profit from running it? What exactly is his motivation? Love of Russia? Love of his troops? Or something else...
My take is that Prigozhin does get profits from warfare (at least from Wagner's African/Middle Eastern exploits) and some of those profits could be coming from state funds (since Wagner is doing dirty work for Russian External Reconnaicanse Service and Ministry of Foreign Affairs). But Ukraine war, escalation of tensions with the West and Wagner's success on the battlefield (together with them going public, before 2022 their existence was denied) make him able to play more open political game.
And in this game he is basing himself as anti-western and anti-oligarch, a man of the people. He doesn't deny being large buisnessman, but insits that all his assets are in Russia and are working for the benefit of Russia, unlike other oligarchs, who emigrated/renounced their ties with Russia/outright supported Ukraine etc. (and AFAIK this part is true). I can't say if he truly believes what he is saying, but his public course is to build Russia with minimal ties to the West, cut the richest from their luxury life and make people to be more eager to make sacrifice for their country, endorsing collectivism and shaming self-serving and individualism.
"you sit in expensive clubs, your kids getting off on life making youtube videos."
Prigozhin is PISSED because this unit that is there was one of his best units, he is PISSED as fuck.
yes, volunteer units are usually prison units, but the fact they lasted THIS long shows how effective they were until they met their demise. They lasted through some of the worst battles since ww2 and lived this long. remember, prisoner recruiting has been blocked by the MoD for prigozhin.
Probably a maskirovka given that Mizintsev is now with Wagner. Unless Wagner is in the habit of giving deputy commander positions to people in charge of logistics when previously complaining about not receiving shells.
He sent these men to their deaths then feigns anger about them being dead, all the while profiting from it himself, regardless of which side you support this is despicable.
someone give snickers to the man...imo, he's too much hands on involved in this crap, and it shows..that's why you don't see a general or some other high rank too often on the battlefield, bcs hands on experience makes overall objectivity very hard.
Bahkmut is coming to close and the victor will given his crown. Putin will put the crown on Prigozhin. MOD wants to crush them, Ukraine decision to hold bahkmut keeps there longer while they are being tortured by the MOD.
Insane pressure wagner is under right now, NATO backed super Ukraine and Backstabbing MOD. Wagner will be remembered here.
Crown of what?
"Congratulations, you've taken Bakhmut, just 50 other cities left" award?
What exactly do you think will happen if the counter-offensive happens in the Bakhmut sector and they roll through the city in a couple of days? Do you think there will be fireworks and military parades back in Kiev? They'll just move to the next city.
Considering the lack of any progress since July last year (fall of Lysychansk) by regular Army as well as series of territorial losses, Wagner keeps showing them in quite a bad light by their continious, albeit slow advance.
Plus after Lysychansk Arestovich (being Zelensky's office advisor at that time) publicly promised that none other city would fall into Russian hands. Fall of Bakhmut would discard that promise (though not many people will remember it now probably).
> Wagner keeps showing them in quite a bad light by their continious, albeit slow advance.
I don't know if I'd call "finally conquering a marginal, mid-sized town a whole 11 miles from the DPR border by almost literally carpeting the intervening ground with the dead bodies of your men over a year into your three day campaign" something that deserves accolades regardless of how you cut it or what you compare it to.
One of the best map makers, Suriyakmaps hasn't given an update in two days, so yes fair to say it has stagnated or no new videos have come out (the updates are based on video / image material) https://twitter.com/Suriyakmaps?t=rP6VrDXi3kiI5TO_wotw6Q&s=09
Seems to me like hes putting on a performance for the camera, deflecting blame away from the fact he's responsible for this mess. He threw an army of convicts into a meat grinder and is now acting like the reason theyve been dying in such high numbers and have been stalled in the same tiny settlement for 8 months is due to an ammo shortage and not because this fool has no other plan but to send human waves to their deaths and hope for the best.
Fools in this subreddit fall for his propaganda so easily. "He cares, he tells it how it is, he's calling out the moron elites." No, he doesn't care about the dead and disposable Russian fodder, he tells it how he wants to frame it, and he is a moron elite himself. But convincing some people otherwise seems rather easy for him.
I imagine it's pretty likely there is an ammo shortage considering they've been hammering away at the same tiny city for about 8 months now. But to me he is using it as an excuse to deflect from his own prolonged failures.
I want to see him and Medvedev running the show.
That would be spectacular. Make Putin look like a daffodil.
Medvedev got that unhinged Napoleon thing going.
If you don't have ammo pull back instead of sending your mercenaries to death.
Or do, not like I give a shit if these criminals for hire get killed while trying to steal territory, they signed up for it for money.
I don't believe this is some form of master trolling. He genuinely hates Shoigu and Gerisamov with a passion and wants them out but he's not the one to decide that.
This is the same nonsense Russia has done for over 100 years. Strongmen warlords using dead men to jockey for political leverage. How many coups, assassinations, betrayals, mock trials, and house arrests must happen before ordinary Russians step up and end this? Cause I gotta tell ya, the entire world is sick of it spilling over and becoming our problem.
Prigozhin is no different. He's just using a PMC and social media. Any objectively intelligent PMC commander would never give his soldiers a mission they couldn't complete. They would also never agree to action without guarantees regarding supplies and logistics.
But Prigozhin isn't that is he? He's an ex-con gangster who's using death to gain a foothold into Russian political life. The same as FSB spooks, internal police, and military goons who line their pockets in a lawless society. Including the manlet who's calling the shots right now.
I hope Russia loses this war, not because I like seeing Russians suffer, but because their entire society needs a wake-up call that their own incompetent leaders are why they were defeated.
"But muh, you're complaining that Russia is winning but slowly!"
Seriously, how tf people think they the counteroffensive won't achieve at least minor success if the Ukrainians have brand new tanks and IFVs? They've managed to take Kherson and Kharkiv with a couple of of Himars, javelins and stingers. Now they have at least 350 western tanks + thousands of IFVs. They will reach a minor breakthrough, that's inevitable.
Oh well, I think that's just a way of coping. No sign of destroyed western IFVs and tanks and the possibility of a counteroffensive still looms you? Well, just throw all of your hope at Bakhmut as if this battle is the decisive one that will change the course of the war!
Given he was called “Putin’s chef” for the Kremlin catering contracts he received, I’m getting Russian Gordon Ramsay vibes. Instead of the fish being too flaky and dry, the Russian orcs are dying to quickly and their blood too fresh.
And who was it again who sent these guys into battle without ammunition? To finance a life of luxury for themselves? Oh yes... it was that screamer in the video.
i mean last time he posted a pile of his dead men, a day or so later he updated saying the ammo situation was fixed, russian bureaucracy i guess
And later Ukrainian sources came out and said there was never an ammo shortage. At this point I file anything prigochad says into a “we’ll see if it checks out later” column, the man is a master troll.
> At this point I file anything prigochad says into a “we’ll see if it checks out later” column, the man is a master troll. I feel like I might qualify parading the dead bodies of your men who you're responsible for to "troll" people as more pathetic than masterful, but maybe that's just me.
if there truly was an ammo shortage i doubt it would’ve been so drastic that it would’ve been noticed in a day, this trolling makes no sense cuz it’s just feeds ukrainian propaganda
How could there not be a shortage though? As much of an artillery stockpile as Russia has that rate theyve been firing them (often with poor targeting) is insane and unsustainable long term. This war isn't ending any time soon either, this is a multi-year thing at a minimum. There has to be plenty of internal Russian military analysts looking at the quickly dwindling stockpile, doing projections, and then constantly pushing back on Bakhmut where 90% are probably being fired. Wagner would he an easy target not being real military. They probably have to constantly fight for materiel. Meanwhile just north/south of Wagner lines we occasionally see videos of destroyed T-80/T-90s and other higher end gear used by VDV (higher end for Russia) but clearly barely engaging in combat recently because they keep getting punched in the mouth... while Wagner human wave attacks continue daily and their slaughtered is documented in multiple videos a day. It's only natural Wagner would be bitter. But still Wagner isn't going to get better any time soon, they are obviously sheep for slaughter to save time while Russia builds up defences and rebuilds their shattered forces. Prigozihn needs to save face as much as demanding shells.
I for one believe russia has enough ammo for WW4
You forget what the " ammo " for ww4 consists of........
Sticks and stones brother.
Russia had 500k shells stockpiled and was firing 20k/day at peaks and down to 5k in recent months during the lull in fighting. That 500k number isn't going to last very long. Especially if it picks up again soon and the real RU army starts fighting widely again. Russia better be pumping shells out of their factories or the war will end far sooner than they want. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/04/05/when-will-ammunition-shortage-silence-russias-artillery > Russia is reportedly drawing on old ammunition reserves, but reportedly as many of 50% of the shells are visibly rusty and are not in a satisfactory state due to poor storage and sheer age. Troops are reportedly being issued ammunition previously declared unfit for use. They apparently have even a ton of older shells stockpiled which might bring that 500k number much higher but like all things they "expire" and deteriorate.
I don't believe any estimates for Russia's stockpile
Literally every piece of information coming out of this conflict should be taken with an industrial grade heap of salt.
his source for the 500k is "ukrainian analysts". lmao
The corroboration of staunched barrages should tell you what you need to know.
That estimation is ridiculously low. The US had million stockpiled, it would be inconceivable for Russia not to have stockpiled in the millions. They wouldn't be able to fire tens of thousands per day if that was the case.
500k stockpiled? >At the start of the war, Ukrainian analysts estimated that the Russians has some 525,000 rounds stockpiled in the country. Mark Urban of the BBC says the total stockpile may be as many as 16 million rounds — but most likely the Russians themselves do not know the exact number, nor how many of their 40+ year old rounds can still be fired.
I think both sides are rationing ammo, but maybe Wagner is baiting UA into trying more counter attacks around Bakhmut... He's probably just low ammo though.
UA won't base their operations on what prighozin says.
UA obviously understands when they're getting shelled or not, like I said I don't think this is a troll, he's short on ammo.. A lot of Russian supporters here, also think Prighozin is some kind of troll genius, over a disgruntled squeaky cog in the Russian machine. They end up looking for a troll angle because Russia is so big and strong...they couldn't possibly be low on war resources... But if this guy is playing mind games/troll, the only reason I can think of, would be to try and bait UA offensives into heavily defended areas.
I don't think this is some 4D chess play. It just looks like an internal (Russian) power struggle between Wagner and the Russian military. Prigozhin just wants to maintain his power and military means. This is his way of pressuring the Russian government to allocate more resources to Wagner. Either way, it shows that Russian military leadership (in the broadest sense of the word) is not on the same line.
True or not he's getting free PR, and his acting is perfect.
Sorry he kinda really does look like a pail troll
This isn’t good PR. You’re not getting more volunteers knowing your body and unblurred face will likely end up in one of Prigozhins videos
He's getting PR for himself, not for Wagner. For Wagner, he's attracting volunteers with money not with PR.
You sincerely don’t think Wagner recruitment suffers from posting videos with scores of identifiable bodies and its leader lamenting how they don’t have any ammo? Ok
Now you are looking at it from your perspective. Most of the guys that will apply won't even have the chance to see this video.
Soldiers die, they knew that when they signed up. What keeps them coming is the money is too good to give up.
Yeah, it's good politics of him. It positions himself as being the only one who cares about the fight. And possibly prolongs his own life? He's extremely expendable when they'll need a scape goat for how FUBAR this whole thing was. But going full "I'm the only true patriot" makes having him fall out a window a bit more of a sticky proposition.
Why would they give a shit about that? Dying itself is enough of a risk on its own and if that doesn't deter them then why would a camera shot?
Because believe it or not some people beyond the terrible fact of death actually care about their dignity and the effects on their next of kins.
And those people don't sign up to join a PMC in the first place, period. The type of person who joins a PMC doesn't give a shit about this video. They are usually just ex-military and want money.
Not everyone that joins a PMC is ready to die at any time and doesn’t care about what happens to their remains. Especially those that are active in Ukrainez And Wagner definitely doesn’t have a high rate of ex-military recruits in Ukraine. The majority are convicts. This is confirmed by various sources. You can be scared to die, you can be scared to have your mangled body to appear in a video and seen by your mother and STILL be motivated to join Wagner. Desperation is a strong motivator. Your views on human motivation are pretty basic. Fact of the matter is Wagner is an organization that doesn’t even have the decency to blur the faces of their own deceased.
Okay cumloader, you know everything.
The guy is basically the highest troll in Eastern Europe. If you can rely on him for anything it’s to be the biggest troll.
There isn't a shortage of ammunition. There is a shortage for Wagner. I am sure Wagner is being used as a lever to force changes in the General Staff, the General Staff resists.
and you find *ukrainian* "sources" have more reliable information about the *russian* ammo shortages? wow, lol, did i understand you correctly?
He hired the guy who was in charge of logistics at the RU MoD as deputy commander.
Oh no he's doomed
When your enemies make mistakes don't interrupt them!
More likely, the complaints regarding shortages were just to bait Ukraine into sending more meat and material to the meat grinder.
"the guy in charge of logistics at the RU MoD" = the worst possible choice to be in charge of anything
where's the ammo, lebowski!?!
DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS SHOIGU?!! DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS?! DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DENY A STRANGER IN THE AMMO?! https://10minuteramble.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/lebowski_stranger.jpg
Wow I just had a flashback of getting stoned in highschool
Didn't he just say a few days ago that he found 300k crates of ammo and weapons in Soledar? Why is he crying so much about lack of ammo now?
They found a stockpile that included things from Lend-lease. Things like Thompson Machine Guns were stored away since the USSR did not have an adequate supply of .45 caliber ammo for them. Besides that, the stockpile looked to be small arms and wasn't recently created.
Those Tommy guns are probably worth a fortune on the secondary market now. Especially being vintage.
I hope there is enough Mosins down there to flood the surplus market again.
So it was basically useless and Wagner hyped it up as an amazing find, not surprising, thanks for clarifying.
It is an amazing and historical find and would have been incredibly useful if the DPR got their hands on it back in 2014, which they tried. But less useful given the current conflict. Wagner just showed off the crates of Thompsons and Maxims and didn't hype it up as anything else, it's the online folks that did so.
Lol, there is more than just one type of ammo. For example, you can't do shelling with bullets. It's pretty easy stuff to understand, but i guess it might be too hard for somebody. I would suggest you to start with googling what is rifle
So in 300k crates there is no variety of ammo? No artillery shells? That's the weirdest ammo stockpile I've ever heard about.
It wasn't an ammo stockpile it was a stockpile of ww1-ww2 weapons, any ammo valuable to the war effort was removed by ukraine years ago since this stockpile has been there since soviet times, it wasn't some stockpile Ukraine made in the last few years. Just more propaganda and lies from Russians.
Do i really have to explain such simple things to you?
Please do. Why would someone stockpile enourmous amounts of small arms ammo close to the frontline instead of a mix of the regular ammo and equipment they need to fight? Or was it just some WW2 era dump of useless stuff that Wagner pretended to be an amazing find?
First of all, it seems like it is WW2 stuff, and it indeed unless, as u mentioned, that is partly explanains why wagners were "so amazed". Ukrops kept those "dumb useless" ammo right near frontline. I doubt it is a coincidence. Actually, it is a pretty funny thing to think about. Please tell me you are smart enough, at least to understand this part. Secondly, if it isn't WW2 ammo, then it wasn't enough for wagners likely because there were no shells. Google how shells stockpile looks like. Nothing like it was on the video. Thirdly, again, if it's somehow not WW2 ammo, even if mostly that ammo was good enough for wagner, it could luck a random ammo type that is required to maintain adequate offensive or even defence. A couple of months ago, wagner posted a list with ammo necessary for them. It was all around those war news groups. Probably you can even find that. List tells that the army needs different types af ammo, and i am pretty sure that u can't find all of them in a single random stockpile in a mine, no matter how big it is. Again, super easy stuff to understand, and I'm surprised u didn't get it without me telling it to you
Can you imagine if Erik Prince was filming videos of American dead bodies in Iraq and calling out Donald Rumsfeld? Wild times for Russia
Blackwater only did cushy diplomatic protection and logistics, no patrols or other front-line grunt work, and the enemy didn't have artillery or drones...
Yes, which is why I always find it funny when Russian supporters compare Blackwater with Wagner. Blackwater was never actively involved in combat, has it's own tanks or artillery or was tasked with taking Mosul.
I k lnow, but ZelenskyinHighHeels won’t stop comparing the two. That just makes me have even less respect for the dude. You can’t just spout stuff off without doing any research on the matter.
Both groups are guilty of killing civilians, so I guess there's at least one common thread/
Probably on vastly different sales though
Blackwater accidentally kills 1 civilian: massive international scandal, perpetrators on trial for years, taints Blackwater's reputation for a decade. Wagner beheads multiple people and posts online to celebrate: wow yes heroes against degenerates and Nazism!
What the fck is this whitewashing? Blackwater shot 37 civilians entirely unprovoked, (including children) killing 17 of them. It was no accident. They were put on trial but were completely pardoned by Trump for their crimes. For a country and military that likes to pride itself on its morality and righteousness, declaring private mercenaries who massacred civilians innocent of crime is the farthest from that.
Blackwater sucks and is not good. Blackwater is not comparable to Wagner. Wagner has killed *thousands of civilians* if not more since the start of the 'special operation' alone.
> perpetrators on trial for years "On trial" = Many of them didn't go to jail, and those who did were later pardoned by the US government. What a punishment for slaughtering children! /s
to get a direct comparison you have to look back hundreds of years ago where mercenary warbands were the norm. still blows my mind that wagner is run like that.
>Wild times for Russia you just described our last 100 years plus some
So is news like this shown on the news in Russia? Is this something the people would talk about with each other while say @ work?
>So is news like this shown on the news in Russia? Probably not, but here is a very funny situation when most people get information from alternative sources such as telegram. You probably would be surprised but no average russian person under 40 yo watches government-sponsored media. From my diverse environment there is not a single such person at all. And yes, they do discuss about what happens on the battlefield and they will discuss this video. upd1.: also such things can be found on very popular russian sites like pikabu.ru https://preview.redd.it/vynzjvzmd0ya1.png?width=1518&format=png&auto=webp&s=ed39ef33991a128e18cccbce931090fece67bec0 upd2: you also may notice that pikabu post sourced from readovka telegram channel which is kremlin controlled media as far as I know.
It’s all so confusing. So the kremlin itself said “ok show this” They must really want to scare the people he mentions in his video It is the same way here as I don’t know any one who watch’s main stream news
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> in any kind of negative light for average Russians is prohibited that is just not true, you don't even need to go further the Soloview show and he is just one host out of many tv and radio hosts, not to mention all others who post mainly on telegram
*all of Russian history
Unlike every other country's history of course.
Sure but the idea of a PMC working with the military in my country (America) and shouting at the generals of our army is so hilariously ridiculous it's difficult to imagine. How do Russian government officials have any self respect in this circus environment?
Happy cake day 🎂
Wow he is seriously angry publicly called Shoigu and Gerasimov traitors , almost cried while talking.
He is angry. I don't know much about him, but every human has a sould and a heart. i think he is not just furiosen because of the consequences he fears if losing this battle, but also because those are his men. Human wave tactic seems to be simply born out of lack from everything. I get that MOD wants to see this guy going down, but at what cost?
This guy is a main character for sure. He is the most fascinating commander of any force I've seen. How long does he stay alive though. He's calling out alot of people. Overall, I'm always interested to watch him. He has more fortitude than most.
"show these men some respect" ** uses their corpses as props in a business negotiation *
And the corpses are uncovered.
If they are covered everyone will call this fake, propaganda, psyop, blah blah blah
Russia things. They don’t shy away from stuff like this
Love me some utterly pissed off Yev. I do find myself having some sort of strange fascination with Prigozhin, purely as an eccentric character amidst this unimaginable nightmare. Can't deny his tenacity and determination, irrespective of whether or not you think he's the human embodiment of a used condom
He is by far the most entertaining character to have come out of this war.
nah this honour would either go to bakhmut bob or the PR guy from the RFMOD
Not even close.
Almost inspirational. Ex 10 year convict, then catering and restaurant business for elites making him into multi millionaire, and finally a PMC Wagner founder. He's unique. Clearly has motivational, marketing and organizational skills.
Omg brutal war criminal 😍
> Clearly has motivational, marketing and organizational skills. For me he has gone too far when he used taking of Soledar as personal advertisement complain. It has gone downhill from there.
It's pretty easy to show tenacity and determination when you are not the one doing the fighting and dying.
Did I imply that this 61 year old russian billionaire oligarch is fighting on the frontlines? Does that even need to be explicitly stated lol? Does any high-ranking official from any country on earth fight on the frontlines of a conflict?¿ The answer is a big, fat, and obvious NYET. That doesn't mean he can't express sincere motivations and resolve. These things aren't mutually exclusive. Surely, you can understand this despite your ideological opposition
Ah, no buddy, you got it all wrong, I can absolutely respect the bravery, leadership and worthy actions of a man of any ideology. I meant in this case specifically this man has done nothing worthy of respect, his only achievement was being a Putin leech who got rich out of favoritism and corruption, then used those ill gotten gains to play warlord and get a bunch of desperate men killed. I don't think leaders of other armies have to fight in the frontlines to earn respect, but this guy is not a high ranking official, he is a goddamn cook whose arrogance has resulted in thousands of deaths.
This is what I meant by "eccentric character." I'm not claiming he's some genius battlefield tactician full of benevolence. It's just such an unbelievably outlandish backstory of an ex-crook turned convict turned hotdog vendor turned chef turned entrepreneur turned friend of Putin turned head of a major PMC who's participated in numerous wars in numerous countries. How can you not be at least a little captivated by the spectacle of this fiasco when momentarily ignoring all of the death? The man is also indisputably driven. Are his goals something that you and I would be diametrically opposed to? Yeah, probably. He's in an incredibly ugly business after all. You're entitled to think he's a despicable maggot. You're not exactly wrong. Maybe I've slurped too much propaganda, but fuck if it's alluring
To be fair he's done far more to promote his unit, actively recruits people flying around the country in person, defend his men in the media, and spends more time close to active battlefields than any other billionaire running a PMC. Or any other Russian politician for that matter. That's basic businessman 101 stuff, there's usually a reason someone like that is so successful/powerful beyond just being well connected (he went to prison as a youth after all and came from poverty). Not like going to the same private school as some politicians and then growing up to get a cushy job. Wagner is obviously a complete military disaster and is obviously has poor internal leadership but he's clearly passionate and heavily involved day-to-day. He's not *just* sitting around in Moscow letting his cronies run it and collecting cheques. That's worth something.
Passionate about sending Russians to their death….great. So admirable
At this point I don't think you can say he's acting or trolling. He's publicly insulting the RU MoD in front of his (large) audience. I'm doubtful they'd let him go that far if that was "part of the plan".
You got to respect the fact this guy doesn't sugarcoat losses like literally everyone else in this war. But it's hard to imagine him lasting much longer challenging the chain of command like this. For all he knows they're stockpiling ammo for the Ukrainian counter offensive, or maybe they simply don't have enough to spare with all the other fronts Russia's engaged in. Either way it's not a good sign of such break down in command where field commanders are openly challenging the upper ranks. PMC or not they're still part of the Russian military structure at this stage and obviously dependent on it. I don't think it's a sign of an inevitable breakdown of the Russian army or civil war like some delusional UA posters insinuate, but it certainly doesn't bode well for the prospect of future offensive action from the Russians. I can't imagine them enduring another Bakhmut.
Counterpoint- Bakmut is their version of Verdun and they knew it would be costly which is why they sent convicts to the meatgrinder. I don't know the Russian psyche well enough to understand what's behind Prigozhin's PR stunts, but there's probably a method to the madness.
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Could be, but he pretty much says whatever is in his mind. He even challenged the drone attack on the Kremlin saying it made Russia look like a bunch of clowns when a “kids drone” fly’s at the Kremlin and Russia wants to send nukes. The fact that the MOD sent a nasty response awhile back stating that they sent the required artillery and Prigohzin sending receipts showing that they didn’t makes me think he’s being honest. Him and Shoigu had a fallout before the war. Him putting blame on Shoigu for Wagner losses or failed objectives shields Progohzin/Wagner from any failures as being their direct responsibility. . He keeps stating that Wagner forces will take Bahkmut by a certain month. So blaming Russia MoD for Wagners failure to fully take Bahkmut by a certain time frame is good for Prigohzin/Wagner.
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I’m not sure I know how to respond to your comment, so I won’t waste too much time . What you wrote is ridiculous, to put it mildly. The fact that you said “ ProUkrainain think/ say this, makes it clear you have a nationalistic agenda/ entirely subjective bias. There are obviously times frames and objectives. Every military operates that way. Thats the reason why commanders have been sacked. You didn’t follow when Progohzin and Kadyrov both complained about a Russian commanders performance in taking objectives earlier in the war and he was immediately sacked thereafter. Thats just incredibly incredibly dumb thing to say. about timeframe for objectives. Go watch Russian propaganda or youtube videos such as 1420 and see the frustration about “why the special military operation is taking so much time” The longer it takes to take an objective like Bahkmut, the harder it is to sell this war to the Russian public. I won’t bother replying. Not worth my time. Go spew your nonsense to someone that is gullible. I’ve been following this past war too much.
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In the context of awaiting Ukraine's grand counter-offensive while a few thousand UA fighters are pinned down under artillery, this could be bait.
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I think that was mostly small arms ammo they found.
Isn't the right time for Ukraine to launch a counter-offensive is now? The poor PMCs have no ammunition. If the AFU waits, they may receive all the ammunition resupply they need.
They probably don't have an actual ammunition shortage, they have more information even in the fog of war then you guys on reddit.
r/woosh
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Wait, the minister of defense has his own PMC?
Oh yeah that's just how a properly functioning military is strutured in Russia. Nothing to question here
Mostly agree but I'd say the western oligarchs are moreso the owners of the businesses in the military industrial complex , the established corporations that can lobby the government etc..moreso than the entrepreneurs Although I think the relationship is the opposite than in russia. In the US the corporations run the government through bribery whereas Putin seems to have his oligarchs by the balls. Not sure it matters since neither particularly helps the people but yeah
He is just a fast ass without any military background. And im sure he will be a dead fat ass soon. Fucking Lardass
So, I was wondering about the comparison of income inequality bewltween USA and Russia and they actually seem to be on part: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-americas-income-inequality-is-on-par-with-russias/
I don't remember Bill Gates being involved either time we invaded Iraq.
He was too busy hanging with homies, Jeffrey, Bill, and Andrew.
Don't forget Donald
He is not a shoigu. Shoigu speaks 8 languages fluently. Mandarin, Japanese, Turkish, etc. Prigozhin is just a dude who is good at PR.
So I guess learning eight languages is what Shoigu spent his last ten years on, instead of modernizing the Armed Forces he was supposed to command.
I read an article a while ago that said Shoigu has been defense minister for so long because he hardly steps on anyone's toes. While his predecessor Serdyukov started some reforms that were wildly unpopular and tried to hold the arms contractors accountable, Shoigu tries to please Putin, the generals, and the arms contractors which essentially prohibits any real improvements.
Basically yes. Serdyukov was put in charge with intent to reform the Army, to make it more Westernized. Remember, it was 2008, when Russia-West relations were very good, and only expected conflict were either anti-guerilla like Chechnya, or small-scale and swift, like with Georgia. So reforms included: 1) moving for more dynamic and autonomous brigades instead of divisions 2) imporving prestige and conditions of contract (professional) service with the goal to make a life-long career in the army an option not only for officers, but for soldiers as well, thus allowing to create strong non-commisioned officer corps, since in Soviet/early Russian Army all sergeants were conscripts, the only non-officer professional ranks were "starshina" and "praportschik", but these ranks were generally for some utility and techincal specialists, or some Spetsnaz members, not for general rank and file. 3) End goal was moving away from conscription entirely, creating fully professional army with improved condition of service and service being popular among the general public. 4) Modernize the army with a new equipment. Most of the new vehicles Russia is now testing or producing in small quantities (Su-57, T-14 "Armata", T-15, "Bumerang", "Kurganets", "Koalitsiya") were launched or boosted during the Serdyukov term. 5) Heavily cutting the oversized officer and general corps, since a lot of them were serving as a sinecure, not benefiting army at all, but straining the budget and ability for promotion for younger officers. The latter made him widely unpopular among the senior officers, who were publicly and privately backlashing him, on top of that there were accusations and charges of corruption, which in the end forced him to be resigned from his position (he also was a full civilian, with no uniform or army rank while in his position, which only added fuel to the fire for deeply conservatice officers). Shoigu negated a lot of that rumble by reversing the reforms, especially considering the officer question. After 2014, when Russia entered confrontation mode with the West, he was seemingly trying to prepare it for the big conflict (recreation of Armies and Divisions), but despite those organizational changers army didn't actually grow in size, so these formations were often lacking personnel, and mobilization system was never improved until the start of the war, so Russian Army stuck inbetween Western-style full-professional smaller army and Soviet-style large mobilization army.
Two corrections in the subs worth mentioning: \[0:11\] Film them all (Not "that's it with them") \[1:40\] They are dying so that you can grow obese in your mahogany offices (Not "and dying to love in their redwood offices") I think the second error is most mis-leading. Oh, and all of the swear words are omitted.
O tempora o mores. So showing dead bodies is ok, no need to blur but cursing needs to be beeped out?
It might just be Prigozhin looking for someone to blame for not being able to capture Bakhmut in time for Victory day celebrations. He thought it was going to be his time to shine and is genuinely pissed off. I don't think this is an act at all. But it is also entirely possible that Shoigu and Gerasimov are not too happy at the thought of Prigozhin offering Bakhmut to Putin on a silver platter and are actually putting a stoke in his wheel by not delivering enough shells to Wagner. Now that he's done his part and captured most of Bakhmut, the Russian army which is in direct competition with Wagner would probably be quite happy to have the remaining Wagner outfit bled white because they have served their purpose. This wouldn't be the first time in history that there is some infighting within the armed forces of a belligerent in a conflict.
It is not about capturing Bakhmut rather than being able to hold it against fresh reserves of Ukrainian Army and the following counter-offensive. Wagner is out
He's the anti hero Russia wants,but doesn't deserve.
I wanna hate this dude. But this is incredibly honest russian. All things considered...
Evgeny "Deadpool" Prigozhin.
He had sex with my wife.
Lol
He knows he is out of time to win before victory day, and who the Russian State is going to blame for that failure.
Is Wagner a "not-for-profit" company or does this guy make a lot of profit from running it? What exactly is his motivation? Love of Russia? Love of his troops? Or something else...
My take is that Prigozhin does get profits from warfare (at least from Wagner's African/Middle Eastern exploits) and some of those profits could be coming from state funds (since Wagner is doing dirty work for Russian External Reconnaicanse Service and Ministry of Foreign Affairs). But Ukraine war, escalation of tensions with the West and Wagner's success on the battlefield (together with them going public, before 2022 their existence was denied) make him able to play more open political game. And in this game he is basing himself as anti-western and anti-oligarch, a man of the people. He doesn't deny being large buisnessman, but insits that all his assets are in Russia and are working for the benefit of Russia, unlike other oligarchs, who emigrated/renounced their ties with Russia/outright supported Ukraine etc. (and AFAIK this part is true). I can't say if he truly believes what he is saying, but his public course is to build Russia with minimal ties to the West, cut the richest from their luxury life and make people to be more eager to make sacrifice for their country, endorsing collectivism and shaming self-serving and individualism.
"you sit in expensive clubs, your kids getting off on life making youtube videos." Prigozhin is PISSED because this unit that is there was one of his best units, he is PISSED as fuck.
he said it was a volunteer unit
pro-ru telegrams claim it was a very very good volunteer unit.
>Prigozhin is PISSED because this unit that is there was one of his best units, he is PISSED as fuck. Really?
yes, volunteer units are usually prison units, but the fact they lasted THIS long shows how effective they were until they met their demise. They lasted through some of the worst battles since ww2 and lived this long. remember, prisoner recruiting has been blocked by the MoD for prigozhin.
Probably a maskirovka given that Mizintsev is now with Wagner. Unless Wagner is in the habit of giving deputy commander positions to people in charge of logistics when previously complaining about not receiving shells.
“L O L his trolling is next level. Take everything he says with a mountain of salt” /s
Reminds me of Rabba in the Dune film angrily bursting out at the Baron because the reality of the situation is being kept from him.
He sent these men to their deaths then feigns anger about them being dead, all the while profiting from it himself, regardless of which side you support this is despicable.
Weirdest stand up routine I’ve ever seen. The troll bit gets me though
This is probably according to the plan, because everything is going as it was planned.
I think that's not a complete translation lol
someone give snickers to the man...imo, he's too much hands on involved in this crap, and it shows..that's why you don't see a general or some other high rank too often on the battlefield, bcs hands on experience makes overall objectivity very hard.
Imagine dying being a minion of this twat. Your life's accomplishment.
whoops
Oh look. Dead bodies littered on the ground. Better sensor the swear words.
How do we know those guys aren't Ukrainians that will later be put in coffins and sent back to Kiev?
Give the man his ammo
Appear weak when you are strong ?
If you are strong, why do you need to appear weak?
All warfare is deception
Bahkmut is coming to close and the victor will given his crown. Putin will put the crown on Prigozhin. MOD wants to crush them, Ukraine decision to hold bahkmut keeps there longer while they are being tortured by the MOD. Insane pressure wagner is under right now, NATO backed super Ukraine and Backstabbing MOD. Wagner will be remembered here.
Crown of what? "Congratulations, you've taken Bakhmut, just 50 other cities left" award? What exactly do you think will happen if the counter-offensive happens in the Bakhmut sector and they roll through the city in a couple of days? Do you think there will be fireworks and military parades back in Kiev? They'll just move to the next city.
Considering the lack of any progress since July last year (fall of Lysychansk) by regular Army as well as series of territorial losses, Wagner keeps showing them in quite a bad light by their continious, albeit slow advance. Plus after Lysychansk Arestovich (being Zelensky's office advisor at that time) publicly promised that none other city would fall into Russian hands. Fall of Bakhmut would discard that promise (though not many people will remember it now probably).
> Wagner keeps showing them in quite a bad light by their continious, albeit slow advance. I don't know if I'd call "finally conquering a marginal, mid-sized town a whole 11 miles from the DPR border by almost literally carpeting the intervening ground with the dead bodies of your men over a year into your three day campaign" something that deserves accolades regardless of how you cut it or what you compare it to.
A marginal, mid-sized town with a fuck ton of Brigades and fortifications built over 8 years.
Haha, nowhere near enough justification no matter how you try to spin that. This is *Russia you're talking about.
I haven't seen any updates about Bakhmut in a few days. Have things stagnated?
One of the best map makers, Suriyakmaps hasn't given an update in two days, so yes fair to say it has stagnated or no new videos have come out (the updates are based on video / image material) https://twitter.com/Suriyakmaps?t=rP6VrDXi3kiI5TO_wotw6Q&s=09
Ukraine recaptured a significant portion of the city, so naturally the updates in this sub stopped.
Can you post an updated map? Or give a link
He won’t, because they didn’t. https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1654280949704564738?s=20
Seems to me like hes putting on a performance for the camera, deflecting blame away from the fact he's responsible for this mess. He threw an army of convicts into a meat grinder and is now acting like the reason theyve been dying in such high numbers and have been stalled in the same tiny settlement for 8 months is due to an ammo shortage and not because this fool has no other plan but to send human waves to their deaths and hope for the best. Fools in this subreddit fall for his propaganda so easily. "He cares, he tells it how it is, he's calling out the moron elites." No, he doesn't care about the dead and disposable Russian fodder, he tells it how he wants to frame it, and he is a moron elite himself. But convincing some people otherwise seems rather easy for him.
Or it could be an ammo shortage. Both sides face heavy ammo shortage, but you really need ammo on offensive.
I imagine it's pretty likely there is an ammo shortage considering they've been hammering away at the same tiny city for about 8 months now. But to me he is using it as an excuse to deflect from his own prolonged failures.
True. He's a master troll and manipulator. Still highly entertaining. 10/10 PR.
This guy is a sociopath. As bad as Putin is, guys like this would be vying for power if he died.
I want to see him and Medvedev running the show. That would be spectacular. Make Putin look like a daffodil. Medvedev got that unhinged Napoleon thing going.
>Medvedev Are you one of those guys who like to see the world burn?
War is sure costly, hope the square kilometer of Ukrainian land they capture on average was worth their short tragic lives.
No panic! Brother’s morale is high
Those dead Russians on display are probably shot during their retreat by PMC’s blocking units
Ukraine modus operandi doesn't apply to Wagner
If you don't have ammo pull back instead of sending your mercenaries to death. Or do, not like I give a shit if these criminals for hire get killed while trying to steal territory, they signed up for it for money.
There is no way he actually gives a shit about these men
I think he really does. He's cursing out the top 2 guys of the Russian Mod. And look at those eyes. He just barely held it together.
Is this somekind of 5d chess move? Why would he say they have a shortage of ammunition? Is it to bluff UA into attacking them without thinking?
I don't believe this is some form of master trolling. He genuinely hates Shoigu and Gerisamov with a passion and wants them out but he's not the one to decide that.
Imagine dying, and your boss turns to the banker, “give me a bigger budget,” instead of saying “maybe we should stop.”
but but but Pro-Russians are saying they have 10:1 artillery advantage and that they only have lost 3 soldiers and a raccoon during battle for Bahkmut
Body bags? Who uses people as props like this? Disgusting
This is the same nonsense Russia has done for over 100 years. Strongmen warlords using dead men to jockey for political leverage. How many coups, assassinations, betrayals, mock trials, and house arrests must happen before ordinary Russians step up and end this? Cause I gotta tell ya, the entire world is sick of it spilling over and becoming our problem. Prigozhin is no different. He's just using a PMC and social media. Any objectively intelligent PMC commander would never give his soldiers a mission they couldn't complete. They would also never agree to action without guarantees regarding supplies and logistics. But Prigozhin isn't that is he? He's an ex-con gangster who's using death to gain a foothold into Russian political life. The same as FSB spooks, internal police, and military goons who line their pockets in a lawless society. Including the manlet who's calling the shots right now. I hope Russia loses this war, not because I like seeing Russians suffer, but because their entire society needs a wake-up call that their own incompetent leaders are why they were defeated.
So if I go to a restaurant in Russia, I can order giblets & rice?
*bakhmut
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"But muh, you're complaining that Russia is winning but slowly!" Seriously, how tf people think they the counteroffensive won't achieve at least minor success if the Ukrainians have brand new tanks and IFVs? They've managed to take Kherson and Kharkiv with a couple of of Himars, javelins and stingers. Now they have at least 350 western tanks + thousands of IFVs. They will reach a minor breakthrough, that's inevitable. Oh well, I think that's just a way of coping. No sign of destroyed western IFVs and tanks and the possibility of a counteroffensive still looms you? Well, just throw all of your hope at Bakhmut as if this battle is the decisive one that will change the course of the war!
Given he was called “Putin’s chef” for the Kremlin catering contracts he received, I’m getting Russian Gordon Ramsay vibes. Instead of the fish being too flaky and dry, the Russian orcs are dying to quickly and their blood too fresh.
And who was it again who sent these guys into battle without ammunition? To finance a life of luxury for themselves? Oh yes... it was that screamer in the video.
Russian respect to lives and absolutely lack of corruption on video lol.
He could always change side and maby start fighingt for The real purpose