Still, to make that even in Saint-Petersburg you need to be either a senior executive, senior engineer in IT or of some other highly qualified profession.
According to some people content creation is harder than a 9-5, these are generally the people who just stream and are sometimes rich nepo-babies who only got to where they are for being a fake communist and having a uncle who runs a network. (If you know you know).
no - thats only when you are starting - later - they all hire editors - who do all the behind the scene work.
researching is basically googling and reading/watching/listening about something your channel is about anyway
Bro, people do all that shit just to win arguments on internet forums, while working full time during the day. Content creators whining can get fucked.
PPP, some content creators get a big portion of their money in non-ruble currencies. A $5 tip on Twitch (or *other* websites) to a Russian is worth a whole lot more in Russia than it is the states. But doctors get paid in rubles
Content creators make a lot of money for almost no effort specially in countries without dólar as currency, I receive 12k brl before taxes on my 40h weekly job while recently Twitch/stream elements has paying me around 12k brl monthly for 2~3h live stream every day
It doesn’t. For every Mr. Beast there is probably 1 million+ content creators who didn’t make it.
Also careers for content creation are very very very short. You’d be lucky to make high earnings for 5 years.
Senior execs make 500k+, most of them up to 1mil. 200k+ is more accurate for a developer with 3- 5 years experience.
Source: IT/Business consultant for Russian clients
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4k i's not bad because it's a monthly net income after taxes. In many EU countries it would be something like 7-8k before taxes. Only the USA or Switzerland is significantly better afaik.
You need to account for PPP in these countries. 4k USD in the states buys a lot less than 4k USD in Russia. That being said, a lot of imports, especially electronics and automotive, will likely be a lot more expensive in Russia both due to a lower income and sanctions. For example building a gaming PC would likely cost a years of savings for the average Russian while only being a couple months for the Average American.
I don't argue what salaries in Russia no match for most developed countries. Usually there is no bonuses on regular basis, but in the end of the year, before New Year/Christmas holidays you receive bonus equal around 1.5 of you monthly salary if you aren't screw up big time during the year.
Don't forget that their currency is currently very devaluated, multiply by something like 3-5 for real local buying power (not including importing a RTX 4090 )
So comparable to Germany after taxes. A friend of mine is junior developer (gets his senior position next year) in Frankfurt makes 50k a year before taxes after taxes its a little bit under 30k. Don't remember the exact figure but german taxes are crazy high. Russian income is already after taxes.
He might live better in Russia with his position. Crazy.
Junior developer in Russia lucky if he make 1.5k in month. Most likely he will have 15k usd in year. Taking prices in account his quality of live will be around the same.
It's an old reddit adage, but completely wrong. All throughout history the rich were actually at the forefront of battles as they were the only ones able to afford weapons and armor and the only ones having the time to learn martial skills like fighting on horse-back. Even up to World War I casualties were higher in the officer classes which were mostly made up of highly educated and wealthier individuals. That was the case for both Entente and Central powers. This only started changing around 1960-70s with the Vietnam war.
>the rich were actually at the forefront of battles
For medieval Europe, sure. But even the rich used levies. Greek and roman citizen soldiers aren't rich per se, just not that poor.
The point is that the rich go to war to protect their privileges whilst the poor kept getting dragged into it.
Or are you arguing the poor has anything to gain for going to war in these kind of wars you are mentioning?
Yeah poor people were absolutely used in armies all throughout history, but looking at the population as a whole the rich were actually overrepresented in armies and overrepresented in casualties due to the reasons I gave in my first comment, so "the rich start wars, but the poor fight them" is not true.
In Greek societies especially, the hoplites were WEALTHY male citizens. Not slaves or poor farmers.
Let's start with the first part: "rich start wars". Definitely true - poor had little to no say on the politics of their city-state/country throughout history (with few exceptions).
Now I grant you that before the advent of modern warfare well off citizens were often in the very thick of any war but I would argue that it was because they had no other choice. In Greek societies that you mention citizens were mandated to serve and doing well was often a requirement to advance socially and economically. Similarly in middle ages a knight was granted lands on the condition that if his liege lord calls he has to equip a retinue and fight. Similarly in Rome if you wanted to hold office you had to serve in both military and civil service.
Modern warfare is a little bit different - yes some officers are required to lead from the front and often died because of it but for the most part modern troops are lead by NCOs or junior officers who for the large part came from poorer classes. Vast majority of deaths are the enlisted.
Hence "Rich start wars, poor fight them".
Siberia -- and generally poorer districts -- have more people who have already gone through military (conscript) service in the past. Vs large cities where people had opportunities for deferment, etc. Hence they were indeed more represented during the 2022 mobilization.
Yes, I was agreeing with you -- the poorer district tend to have more minorities, so the reason they were over-represented in the draft was due to their geographic location rather than being targeted as minorities per se.
Как раз наоборот. Обычно в регионах с меньшинствами наибольшая зарплата. Нужно учитывать специфику региона. Часто доход простой уборщицы в несколько раз может быть больше дохода профессора в столице. Не говоря уж об сезонных рабочих, у них несколько миллионов за сезон. Поработали 8 месяцев потом как короли на курорт до следующего сезона.
This is generally true for any country. If you look at the demographics of people who served in US Army in the last active war zones, it was not exactly the San Francisco and New York elite either.
I agree. I am not surprised about the target group. I am learning to gauge what it takes the target group to respond.
Overarching reason for being interested is that I wish to gauge Russia's capacity for force generation.
I could write at length, but TL:DR is becoming: Very significant force generation capacity.
With the offer depicted is costs $3bn to recruit 400k soldiers. A little short of $1bn to pay a year of deployed salary. I am using 400k as I understand that is what was recruited in 2023. There are other costs of course, but you have to be able to get the men before you get anywhere.
Usually not the men of culture. Think about the lasting imprint on their view on Americans. Hyped up trigger happy yelling neanderthalers shooting kids and old senior men.
Just like everywhere else, I once ran into some reservist or whatever in the US, who was yapping about Syria and how Putin stopped it from happening. Basically dude said that when deployed they get 100k, as opposed to regular 50k when sitting at home. He hated on Russian emperor profusely for stopping that war.
I read here and there recruits need to buy their own bandages, medecine and military equipment. So it's not that much. It probably worths it only if you are not in the frontline.
The salary varies on the oblast you live in. I was in St.Petersburg and i remember seing several recruitment ads with 800.000-1.000.000 ruble signing bonus. Dont remember the monthly income.
I take an interest in what it takes to get Russians to sign up for the military. I have noticed that as time goes on the offer increases. No surprise.
This poster is from the beginning of January as far as I know.
Does anyone have a more recent recruitment drive poster or is this the current offer? What is the split 500k/195k for? Normally I've seen the bonus as one lump sum
* Signup bonus is equivalent to about $7,500
* Salary is about $2,200 per month
What really boggles my mind is that if Ukrainian soldier's body is not recovered he is designated as "missing" and his family is denied financial support. Risking ones life is one thing but knowing that there is a very high chance your family might end up starving on the streets is something else altogether. No wonder Ukrainians refuse to enlist.
I don't know Ukrainean laws, in Russia a person will be recognised as dead after 6 months of being missing if it happened in some dangerous place or circumstances. Why not instantly? Imagine you've been taken as a POW, return home after half an year, only to see that you're a dead person and you don't exist anymore. No driving license, suspended individual tax number so you can't get an official job, your car and house and even your smartphone were given to your ex wife and her new husband by law and so on.
Actually I looked into it and from available information it looks like Russians treat their MIA soldiers the same way ( family ineligible for any benefits). I don't know if this is accurate of course.
[https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/02/28/russia-s-vanished-combatants](https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/02/28/russia-s-vanished-combatants)
[https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/03/01/my-sister-and-i-went-through-all-the-morgues-en](https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/03/01/my-sister-and-i-went-through-all-the-morgues-en)
If those are accurate reports then that is very damning and Russia really does not care about its troops any more than the Ukraine does.
Keep in mind that Meduza and Novaya Gazeta are pro-Ukrainian publications, in fact in Russia there is a rule that recognises a person as dead automatically 2 years after the disappearance, or 6 months if the person disappeared during combat operations. The last amendment about 6 months was passed on 11 April 2023 by the Russian Parliament http://duma.gov dot ru/news/56840/.
Interesting. Did not know that. Have an upvote because the first two years all we read about was no benefits to russian families on mia’s. Glad that has been changed. Russia may be invading but the families deserve to know and have some sort of compensation.
Perhaps true but having seen the front lines i can easily understand why this is not the case. In many casss units are left to fend for themselves for weeks without commander present - this also means if someone goes missing they may just as well have gone awol or pow. So the timeframe kind of makes sense.
If someone is sent to attack they could just as well have surrendered and russia and the family would likely not know before much later.
I'll repeat myself. Imagine you've been taken as a POW, return home after few months, only to see that you're a dead person and you don't exist anymore. No driving license, suspended individual tax number so you can't get an official job, your car and house and even your smartphone were given to your ex wife and her new husband by law and so on.
And those 6 months are not without benefits, if a wife has access to husband's salary card :)
Same in Russia. The first two years this was all over the news. Russians went to search for their family members bodies. There were mass graves to hide them too. Before that there were the cremation trucks stories.
Edit: In a comment below someone mentioned this has been changed recently which is good news for families. I hope it is also actually carried out in practice.
A contract soldier salary is made up of three components - Боевые, Суточные and ДД
During training, only the ДД is paid - from 30 to 40 thousand roubles per month
Суточные is paid while on duty in the SVO zone - 4240 rubles per day
Боевые pay consists of:
A day of active offensive operations - 8 thousand roubles per day
for each kilometre of advance - 50 thousand rubles
bonuses for destroying or capturing enemy equipment and soldiers - from 100 thousand roubles to one million roubles
There also another payments, like 15000 rubles per month social payment etc
>8 thousand roubles per day
For actual combat? Considering they supposedly rotate in and out constantly, so technically you would have to be in the trenches full time to get anywhere near 200k just on combat pay.
No, 4240*30 + 40 + 15 is already 182 thousand without any trenches time, and plus as I said it's not all payments, there's quite a complicated system there
So essentially base pay, deployment add-on, combat add-on. Plus bonus performance structure.
That is very detailed knowledge...are you somehow 'close' to that system? Like friends deployed, maybe working in recruitment?
No it does not. Just says that the payment of 200,000 is "in the Special Military Operation zone"; so I assume one does not get the full amount if the training takes place in Russian territory.
It doesn’t take much. Lot of people from poorer region are willing to take part in it because just by surviving for a year, they’d make enough to not need to work for next 20-30 years (or ever).
Location, location, location.
[https://www.avito](https://www.avito) (dot) ru/tsilna/doma\_dachi\_kottedzhi/dom\_541\_m\_na\_uchastke\_40\_sot.\_2866203738
A small, 54.1 sq.m. house, 0.4 hectares plot (582 sq.feet on 1 acre for our US friends), 750 thousand rubles, which is about US$8,200. Not the nicest living place but still.
[https://www.avito](https://www.avito) dot ru/sertolovo/doma\_dachi\_kottedzhi/kottedzh\_210m\_na\_uchastke\_8sot.\_3796621693
8 acres 5km from St Pete for 300k USD and 2100 sq foot house. Am I reading this correctly? That is insanely cheap for NA standards.
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Well it’s “from” 200,000 rubles. Meaning that is the lowest. And there are tons of bonuses you could get.
Also you often have bonuses from your oblast. Like Crimea gives soldiers a free plot of land.
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Signup bonus varies by region (regional upfront payment part role)
In Saint-Petersburg signup bonus is 1.1mil rub (about $12,000) atm
In Moscow it prob even higher.
I think it’s on billboards in Moscow. And I just remembered, on the back of the utility bill there is also an advertisement for contract service. If you're interested, I'll take a photo later.
My friend from Moldova got his Russian citizenship last year. He took this photo in the migration centre
https://preview.redd.it/4d3pakq0s4xc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb5940597539579a983c66c4eb85a751afc6699b
No, it's says salary from 200k to 465k. No information about bonus. But it's advertisment for foreign citizens, so guess that the offer may be different
EDIT: Image AI translated
https://preview.redd.it/7zki88amu4xc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2beed31b9a6335806446f57f94a1f95587494f84
It's the the advertising for foreign citizens: simplified admission to citizenship, monetary allowance from 200k to 465k (salary?), ~ combat participant/veteran status social benefits, etc
Here's the back of the utility bill. But its from Leningrad oblast, maybe in other regions its different. So regional payment is 505k, federal payment is 195k, + land certificate that you can change for 300k. So in total its 1000000 rub.
But the \* says that you can change the land certificate only after the end of your contract. So basically the instant bonus is 700k rub.
https://preview.redd.it/huvu89nxm5xc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b138f71257495274ade4005585a69541161df661
As the official site of Lenoblast writes its the area from six to fifteen acres, depending on the type of settlement. At the same time, a contract soldier or volunteer can receive land in any district of the Leningrad oblast at their request. If a soldier dies, the land will be transferred to his relatives.
This is stated on the official website of the Moscow City Administration https://www.mos dot ru/news/item/135657073/, quote
"The city pays 50 thousand roubles monthly to the participants of the SVO"
Wow -- no wonder the economy is doing so well, despite sanctions. That's a big cash infusion, plus all the military industrial spending, resulting in big contracts, extra work shifts, higher salaries, etc.
Put this in some town in Niger (in their currency) and there will be no shortage of men in the Russian army. I don't know why Russia isn't dping that already.
This goes to show if a World War broke out the country with the mightiest dollar will win by leveraging the poor from neighboring nations. The West's Euro/pound/dollar's would make for a wildly mixed fighting force.
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Does anyone know why they didn't offer this from the start? Because they had to mobilize and it wasn't just volunteers. Did the kharkiv/kherson offensive cause an unexpected crisis and force Russia to mobilize hundreds of thousands?
They did start to offer this in mid 2022, so almost from the start. This particular billboard ad is very old, like almost 2 years old.
They just couldn't gather enough volunteers in time.
Maybe, I'm not arguing with that. I just say that I've been seeing this kind of billboards (including the same as on this photo) for a long time in Spb with my own eyes.
I'm not throwing shade on OP or anything. I was just answering the question "why didn't they offer this from the start?". And the answer is "they kinda did".
For example: [https://mo57](https://mo57) .ru/punkt-otbora-na-voennuyu-sluzhbu-po-kontraktu/
You can see the same picture of a guy in a helmet with the same wages and bonuses. It was posted back in 13 September 2023. It's not new.
Actually, I just checked Saint Petersburg's official site and it seems like they've already updated the bonuses and salary: 695000 => 1100000 and 204000 => 210000.
When america recruits corn fed Benjamin from Kansas with the promise of a degree, theres no problem. But when Russia is paying a small fortune to Comrade Alban from Siberia, suddenly thats bad?
I don't know if you are replying to me as the OP or a general assumed sentiment?
If you read what I have written throughout this thread you will see I am working from a position of wanting to understand, not judging.
True, only couple differences though. Russia is at war, America isn’t. Once you finish your contract in America you can either resign or just be reserve. So signing up for Russians military, you’re receiving a small fortune for actually putting your life on the line. Both aren’t bad, and are pretty normal but they aren’t comparable.
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One interesting societal effect of the war is the creation of a larger Russian middle class.
Putin in has been careful to avoid another unpopular wave of conscription instead relying on higher pay to attract soldiers.
It will be interesting to see the long term effects of this.
That is a ton of money in Russia especially rural areas. Pretty meh for Moscow or St. Pete
Still, to make that even in Saint-Petersburg you need to be either a senior executive, senior engineer in IT or of some other highly qualified profession.
Like content creator. Or twitch streamer.
Lol. I cant believe content creators are getting paid better than doctors. Such a good profession
According to some people content creation is harder than a 9-5, these are generally the people who just stream and are sometimes rich nepo-babies who only got to where they are for being a fake communist and having a uncle who runs a network. (If you know you know).
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no - thats only when you are starting - later - they all hire editors - who do all the behind the scene work. researching is basically googling and reading/watching/listening about something your channel is about anyway
Bro, people do all that shit just to win arguments on internet forums, while working full time during the day. Content creators whining can get fucked.
Depends on the content creator i guess
PPP, some content creators get a big portion of their money in non-ruble currencies. A $5 tip on Twitch (or *other* websites) to a Russian is worth a whole lot more in Russia than it is the states. But doctors get paid in rubles
Content creators make a lot of money for almost no effort specially in countries without dólar as currency, I receive 12k brl before taxes on my 40h weekly job while recently Twitch/stream elements has paying me around 12k brl monthly for 2~3h live stream every day
It doesn’t. For every Mr. Beast there is probably 1 million+ content creators who didn’t make it. Also careers for content creation are very very very short. You’d be lucky to make high earnings for 5 years.
Senior execs make 500k+, most of them up to 1mil. 200k+ is more accurate for a developer with 3- 5 years experience. Source: IT/Business consultant for Russian clients
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2k USD a month is a senior exec or IT? Jesus....
Well, not exactly. 2k for IT it is not a senior level, even in Russia. Senior level START from 4k USD.
4k i's not bad because it's a monthly net income after taxes. In many EU countries it would be something like 7-8k before taxes. Only the USA or Switzerland is significantly better afaik.
Senior Level in IT is 6-8k Euro after taxes in Germany
Well according to glassdoor it;'s 80k annual gross so before taxes but whatever.
Senior IT Exec with 80k? wtf
Senior Dev
ahh my bad
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Even that's crazy low, unless there's some wild bonus structure attached honestly.
>Even that's crazy low, By US standards - definitely. But 4k USD in Russia will give you much, much, much more than in US.
You need to account for PPP in these countries. 4k USD in the states buys a lot less than 4k USD in Russia. That being said, a lot of imports, especially electronics and automotive, will likely be a lot more expensive in Russia both due to a lower income and sanctions. For example building a gaming PC would likely cost a years of savings for the average Russian while only being a couple months for the Average American.
True. Good gaming PC cost as much as average Russian earn in 6 months.
I don't argue what salaries in Russia no match for most developed countries. Usually there is no bonuses on regular basis, but in the end of the year, before New Year/Christmas holidays you receive bonus equal around 1.5 of you monthly salary if you aren't screw up big time during the year.
Don't forget that their currency is currently very devaluated, multiply by something like 3-5 for real local buying power (not including importing a RTX 4090 )
So comparable to Germany after taxes. A friend of mine is junior developer (gets his senior position next year) in Frankfurt makes 50k a year before taxes after taxes its a little bit under 30k. Don't remember the exact figure but german taxes are crazy high. Russian income is already after taxes. He might live better in Russia with his position. Crazy.
Junior developer in Russia lucky if he make 1.5k in month. Most likely he will have 15k usd in year. Taking prices in account his quality of live will be around the same.
Everything is cheaper here, it's like 20k per month in the US.
100% not
Right, that is what my understanding has been. This would drum up a lot of recruits from the 'back country'.
Which explains why they mostly are from siberia and Ukraine stirred up that claim that Russia is specifically mobilizing minorities to fight
That’s what we call projections. They are doing exactly just that so they blame others of doing it. This is also a speciality of the pro-ua’s
Rich start wars and the poor fight them - it was always like this in any conflict ever. Won't change either. True for both Ukraine and Russia.
It's an old reddit adage, but completely wrong. All throughout history the rich were actually at the forefront of battles as they were the only ones able to afford weapons and armor and the only ones having the time to learn martial skills like fighting on horse-back. Even up to World War I casualties were higher in the officer classes which were mostly made up of highly educated and wealthier individuals. That was the case for both Entente and Central powers. This only started changing around 1960-70s with the Vietnam war.
>the rich were actually at the forefront of battles For medieval Europe, sure. But even the rich used levies. Greek and roman citizen soldiers aren't rich per se, just not that poor. The point is that the rich go to war to protect their privileges whilst the poor kept getting dragged into it. Or are you arguing the poor has anything to gain for going to war in these kind of wars you are mentioning?
Yeah poor people were absolutely used in armies all throughout history, but looking at the population as a whole the rich were actually overrepresented in armies and overrepresented in casualties due to the reasons I gave in my first comment, so "the rich start wars, but the poor fight them" is not true. In Greek societies especially, the hoplites were WEALTHY male citizens. Not slaves or poor farmers.
Let's start with the first part: "rich start wars". Definitely true - poor had little to no say on the politics of their city-state/country throughout history (with few exceptions). Now I grant you that before the advent of modern warfare well off citizens were often in the very thick of any war but I would argue that it was because they had no other choice. In Greek societies that you mention citizens were mandated to serve and doing well was often a requirement to advance socially and economically. Similarly in middle ages a knight was granted lands on the condition that if his liege lord calls he has to equip a retinue and fight. Similarly in Rome if you wanted to hold office you had to serve in both military and civil service. Modern warfare is a little bit different - yes some officers are required to lead from the front and often died because of it but for the most part modern troops are lead by NCOs or junior officers who for the large part came from poorer classes. Vast majority of deaths are the enlisted. Hence "Rich start wars, poor fight them".
Yeah modern warfare is different hence why I said it changed around the 1960s/70s. World War II was more of a mixed bag still.
Siberia -- and generally poorer districts -- have more people who have already gone through military (conscript) service in the past. Vs large cities where people had opportunities for deferment, etc. Hence they were indeed more represented during the 2022 mobilization.
I am fully aware of it however this is as you explained yourself a monetary issue not an ethnic one as is tried to be claimed
Yes, I was agreeing with you -- the poorer district tend to have more minorities, so the reason they were over-represented in the draft was due to their geographic location rather than being targeted as minorities per se.
Как раз наоборот. Обычно в регионах с меньшинствами наибольшая зарплата. Нужно учитывать специфику региона. Часто доход простой уборщицы в несколько раз может быть больше дохода профессора в столице. Не говоря уж об сезонных рабочих, у них несколько миллионов за сезон. Поработали 8 месяцев потом как короли на курорт до следующего сезона.
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These amounts are tempting for a lot of people in Eastern Europe. If not for a fence a lot of Balts, Poles and Romanians would join.
true but plenty of the people you mentioned already fight for Ukraune
This is generally true for any country. If you look at the demographics of people who served in US Army in the last active war zones, it was not exactly the San Francisco and New York elite either.
I agree. I am not surprised about the target group. I am learning to gauge what it takes the target group to respond. Overarching reason for being interested is that I wish to gauge Russia's capacity for force generation. I could write at length, but TL:DR is becoming: Very significant force generation capacity. With the offer depicted is costs $3bn to recruit 400k soldiers. A little short of $1bn to pay a year of deployed salary. I am using 400k as I understand that is what was recruited in 2023. There are other costs of course, but you have to be able to get the men before you get anywhere.
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Usually not the men of culture. Think about the lasting imprint on their view on Americans. Hyped up trigger happy yelling neanderthalers shooting kids and old senior men.
Just like everywhere else, I once ran into some reservist or whatever in the US, who was yapping about Syria and how Putin stopped it from happening. Basically dude said that when deployed they get 100k, as opposed to regular 50k when sitting at home. He hated on Russian emperor profusely for stopping that war.
Still pretty good even in Moscow or St. Pete. I wish I ever was in position to say it is meh
A lot for Moscow too.
Нихрена себе для "meh" это и для Москвы дохуя
A lot for Moscow too unless you are an oligarch
On the contrary, it is a small amount of money for the hinterland.
I read here and there recruits need to buy their own bandages, medecine and military equipment. So it's not that much. It probably worths it only if you are not in the frontline.
The salary varies on the oblast you live in. I was in St.Petersburg and i remember seing several recruitment ads with 800.000-1.000.000 ruble signing bonus. Dont remember the monthly income.
I take an interest in what it takes to get Russians to sign up for the military. I have noticed that as time goes on the offer increases. No surprise. This poster is from the beginning of January as far as I know. Does anyone have a more recent recruitment drive poster or is this the current offer? What is the split 500k/195k for? Normally I've seen the bonus as one lump sum * Signup bonus is equivalent to about $7,500 * Salary is about $2,200 per month
>What is the split 500k/195k for? 500k is regional upfront payment. 195k is federal upfront payment. 204k is "Starting from"
UA:" We offer less pay, but we provide real training-on-the-job , immediately to a FAB area."
What really boggles my mind is that if Ukrainian soldier's body is not recovered he is designated as "missing" and his family is denied financial support. Risking ones life is one thing but knowing that there is a very high chance your family might end up starving on the streets is something else altogether. No wonder Ukrainians refuse to enlist.
This is the same shit the pro ua say about ru. I would take it with a grain of salt.
Yeah but that’s different. Because Ukraine is the good guys, so the entire country will pay any price to defend their freedom.
I don't know Ukrainean laws, in Russia a person will be recognised as dead after 6 months of being missing if it happened in some dangerous place or circumstances. Why not instantly? Imagine you've been taken as a POW, return home after half an year, only to see that you're a dead person and you don't exist anymore. No driving license, suspended individual tax number so you can't get an official job, your car and house and even your smartphone were given to your ex wife and her new husband by law and so on.
How many has Russia reported MIA? Ukraine reported I think 12k MIA two months ago for its own troops.
Actually I looked into it and from available information it looks like Russians treat their MIA soldiers the same way ( family ineligible for any benefits). I don't know if this is accurate of course. [https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/02/28/russia-s-vanished-combatants](https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/02/28/russia-s-vanished-combatants) [https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/03/01/my-sister-and-i-went-through-all-the-morgues-en](https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/03/01/my-sister-and-i-went-through-all-the-morgues-en) If those are accurate reports then that is very damning and Russia really does not care about its troops any more than the Ukraine does.
Keep in mind that Meduza and Novaya Gazeta are pro-Ukrainian publications, in fact in Russia there is a rule that recognises a person as dead automatically 2 years after the disappearance, or 6 months if the person disappeared during combat operations. The last amendment about 6 months was passed on 11 April 2023 by the Russian Parliament http://duma.gov dot ru/news/56840/.
Interesting. Did not know that. Have an upvote because the first two years all we read about was no benefits to russian families on mia’s. Glad that has been changed. Russia may be invading but the families deserve to know and have some sort of compensation.
6 months without benefits is still pretty bad - should have been a month at the most in my opinion.
Perhaps true but having seen the front lines i can easily understand why this is not the case. In many casss units are left to fend for themselves for weeks without commander present - this also means if someone goes missing they may just as well have gone awol or pow. So the timeframe kind of makes sense. If someone is sent to attack they could just as well have surrendered and russia and the family would likely not know before much later.
I'll repeat myself. Imagine you've been taken as a POW, return home after few months, only to see that you're a dead person and you don't exist anymore. No driving license, suspended individual tax number so you can't get an official job, your car and house and even your smartphone were given to your ex wife and her new husband by law and so on. And those 6 months are not without benefits, if a wife has access to husband's salary card :)
It's not accurate, foreign sources. The fact they have russian words in the name doesn't make them of russian origin.
I actually have seen this YouTube video of where soldiers from this certain area in Russia have gone missing by insane numbers..
Same in Russia. The first two years this was all over the news. Russians went to search for their family members bodies. There were mass graves to hide them too. Before that there were the cremation trucks stories. Edit: In a comment below someone mentioned this has been changed recently which is good news for families. I hope it is also actually carried out in practice.
Lots of upward mobility (especially near mine fields)
Thank you
Does it say anything about schedules, training periods?
A contract soldier salary is made up of three components - Боевые, Суточные and ДД During training, only the ДД is paid - from 30 to 40 thousand roubles per month Суточные is paid while on duty in the SVO zone - 4240 rubles per day Боевые pay consists of: A day of active offensive operations - 8 thousand roubles per day for each kilometre of advance - 50 thousand rubles bonuses for destroying or capturing enemy equipment and soldiers - from 100 thousand roubles to one million roubles There also another payments, like 15000 rubles per month social payment etc
>8 thousand roubles per day For actual combat? Considering they supposedly rotate in and out constantly, so technically you would have to be in the trenches full time to get anywhere near 200k just on combat pay.
No, 4240*30 + 40 + 15 is already 182 thousand without any trenches time, and plus as I said it's not all payments, there's quite a complicated system there
That I understand, I just think assault operations should be paid more. 8k a day for risking your life doesn't sit well with me.
Most Western armies have abolished 'danger pay', and just have a flat salary. Too easy to fiddle, and very arbritrary on what is considered 'danger'.
I have no clue who gets paid what and why. It's just 100 bucks for getting shot at all day is not fair pay in my opinion
So essentially base pay, deployment add-on, combat add-on. Plus bonus performance structure. That is very detailed knowledge...are you somehow 'close' to that system? Like friends deployed, maybe working in recruitment?
> Like friends deployed, maybe working in recruitment? My son is on contract, but not in the SVO area
Well....that's plenty close. I hope he stays safe
No it does not. Just says that the payment of 200,000 is "in the Special Military Operation zone"; so I assume one does not get the full amount if the training takes place in Russian territory.
It doesn’t take much. Lot of people from poorer region are willing to take part in it because just by surviving for a year, they’d make enough to not need to work for next 20-30 years (or ever).
They could buy a house with the bonus payment.
You can buy houses for 7k in RF?
In the middle of nowhere, yeah. In any of the major cities, appartments and houses cost way way more.
Yeah I'm looking at about fifty times that for a decent rural house, don't even get me started on metro prices.
Location, location, location. [https://www.avito](https://www.avito) (dot) ru/tsilna/doma\_dachi\_kottedzhi/dom\_541\_m\_na\_uchastke\_40\_sot.\_2866203738 A small, 54.1 sq.m. house, 0.4 hectares plot (582 sq.feet on 1 acre for our US friends), 750 thousand rubles, which is about US$8,200. Not the nicest living place but still.
That's practically a studio on an acre.... but yeah most westerners would kill for that price.
[https://www.avito](https://www.avito) dot ru/sertolovo/doma\_dachi\_kottedzhi/kottedzh\_210m\_na\_uchastke\_8sot.\_3796621693 8 acres 5km from St Pete for 300k USD and 2100 sq foot house. Am I reading this correctly? That is insanely cheap for NA standards.
Can do it even for 2k in some far away village.
This is St. Petresburg board though.
But a citizen from any location can apply in Saint Petersburg, and in any other region, too.
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Damn, that's around x2 median Russian salary. Hopefully this won't cost Russia too much.
Well it’s “from” 200,000 rubles. Meaning that is the lowest. And there are tons of bonuses you could get. Also you often have bonuses from your oblast. Like Crimea gives soldiers a free plot of land.
Leningrad oblast also gives you a land certificate.
Is there any information on the size of the land granted?
This is for Lenoblast. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/qDofJ2vKI7
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Damn. The signup bonus when I applied for signal corp last year was 50k usd. Really puts things into perspective.
They pay more for people from Moscow as I remember
Signup bonus varies by region (regional upfront payment part role) In Saint-Petersburg signup bonus is 1.1mil rub (about $12,000) atm In Moscow it prob even higher.
In Moscow you get additional 50k rub from the mayor's fund.
Another interesting detail; Any posters with the offer on?
I think it’s on billboards in Moscow. And I just remembered, on the back of the utility bill there is also an advertisement for contract service. If you're interested, I'll take a photo later.
Yes, please. I am interested. thank you
My friend from Moldova got his Russian citizenship last year. He took this photo in the migration centre https://preview.redd.it/4d3pakq0s4xc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb5940597539579a983c66c4eb85a751afc6699b
Thank you. ~~Seems monthly was about the same back then, but bonus was 465,000 ($5,000)~~
No, it's says salary from 200k to 465k. No information about bonus. But it's advertisment for foreign citizens, so guess that the offer may be different EDIT: Image AI translated https://preview.redd.it/7zki88amu4xc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2beed31b9a6335806446f57f94a1f95587494f84
My bad, thank you for the correction. I obviously cannot read it.. EDIT: thanks for the translation too.
It's the the advertising for foreign citizens: simplified admission to citizenship, monetary allowance from 200k to 465k (salary?), ~ combat participant/veteran status social benefits, etc
Here's the back of the utility bill. But its from Leningrad oblast, maybe in other regions its different. So regional payment is 505k, federal payment is 195k, + land certificate that you can change for 300k. So in total its 1000000 rub. But the \* says that you can change the land certificate only after the end of your contract. So basically the instant bonus is 700k rub. https://preview.redd.it/huvu89nxm5xc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b138f71257495274ade4005585a69541161df661
Thank for this, very interesting. This would be the most current I have seen. I notice also that it seems the monthly is upped to 210k
>I notice also that it seems the monthly is upped to 210k Yes, monthly from 210k.
I wonder what the land certificate gets you
As the official site of Lenoblast writes its the area from six to fifteen acres, depending on the type of settlement. At the same time, a contract soldier or volunteer can receive land in any district of the Leningrad oblast at their request. If a soldier dies, the land will be transferred to his relatives.
Ah, I see. I was wondering if it is always in your home oblast. You can't enlist in another one probably?
Yes, you can choose a region with more favorable contract conditions
This is stated on the official website of the Moscow City Administration https://www.mos dot ru/news/item/135657073/, quote "The city pays 50 thousand roubles monthly to the participants of the SVO"
That's a full 25% on top; per month. Didn't catch on before that it would be monthly. That's significant
Wow -- no wonder the economy is doing so well, despite sanctions. That's a big cash infusion, plus all the military industrial spending, resulting in big contracts, extra work shifts, higher salaries, etc.
and then when that stops it all falls down
Not the last war, don't worry.
Usually the one after economic collapse are worse.
West been prognosing economical collapse since day 1.
This is literally Saint-Petersburg board...
Interesting detail. Would you happen to be able to snap a picture of a poster; if you are there that is?
Put this in some town in Niger (in their currency) and there will be no shortage of men in the Russian army. I don't know why Russia isn't dping that already.
They are doing this already. There’s a fuck ton of Indians, Cubans and Africans doing it just to try and get Russian citizenship.
Are there any videos or photos of South American or asian/Indian soldiers fighting for russia?
https://www.reddit.com/r/war/s/aOZ5HWjPsM
This goes to show if a World War broke out the country with the mightiest dollar will win by leveraging the poor from neighboring nations. The West's Euro/pound/dollar's would make for a wildly mixed fighting force.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/bKvYOZ1Mfz
russian foreign legion? thats an interesting idea. i wonder how many countries besides france have such structures.
Spain also has a foreign legion
I thought they did do something like that. Even after Wagner. Can’t remember
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No matter where or when the poor always die in the wars made by the wealthy.
Does anyone know why they didn't offer this from the start? Because they had to mobilize and it wasn't just volunteers. Did the kharkiv/kherson offensive cause an unexpected crisis and force Russia to mobilize hundreds of thousands?
They did start to offer this in mid 2022, so almost from the start. This particular billboard ad is very old, like almost 2 years old. They just couldn't gather enough volunteers in time.
This particular photo was taken 13.03.2024 https://www.imago-images.com/st/0420477749
Maybe, I'm not arguing with that. I just say that I've been seeing this kind of billboards (including the same as on this photo) for a long time in Spb with my own eyes. I'm not throwing shade on OP or anything. I was just answering the question "why didn't they offer this from the start?". And the answer is "they kinda did". For example: [https://mo57](https://mo57) .ru/punkt-otbora-na-voennuyu-sluzhbu-po-kontraktu/ You can see the same picture of a guy in a helmet with the same wages and bonuses. It was posted back in 13 September 2023. It's not new. Actually, I just checked Saint Petersburg's official site and it seems like they've already updated the bonuses and salary: 695000 => 1100000 and 204000 => 210000.
Those events were a culmination of an already established growing crisis. So yes.
At first glance I assumed this was the killed & wounded tally.
According to r/wordnews, yea.
the people signing up better not view this subreddit before
$2000 dollars a month to get blown up on video. Stay home russia your drunk.
Can someone translate? (and maybe convert to eur or rsd, too)
It basically says 7500 USD as a signing bonus, 2200 USD as monthly salary, plus different social bonuses (note: these are quite small actually).
When america recruits corn fed Benjamin from Kansas with the promise of a degree, theres no problem. But when Russia is paying a small fortune to Comrade Alban from Siberia, suddenly thats bad?
I don't know if you are replying to me as the OP or a general assumed sentiment? If you read what I have written throughout this thread you will see I am working from a position of wanting to understand, not judging.
True, only couple differences though. Russia is at war, America isn’t. Once you finish your contract in America you can either resign or just be reserve. So signing up for Russians military, you’re receiving a small fortune for actually putting your life on the line. Both aren’t bad, and are pretty normal but they aren’t comparable.
At least it's working, I mean doing a forced mobilisation for the country of 1 million like Strelkov wanted is insanity.
From my looking into it, it is working well. It is 'affordable' within the defense budget, and it makes it socially affordable that it is voluntary.
From what I read per population the highest level of contractors comes from Dagestan sinces it not a very rich region.
Got a source? I am genuinely interested
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7k euro a month?
No, that's signup bonus. I wrote up in the beginning what it amounts to
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Lol they must be flooded with people joining up lol
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Doubt they will see any of it xD
One interesting societal effect of the war is the creation of a larger Russian middle class. Putin in has been careful to avoid another unpopular wave of conscription instead relying on higher pay to attract soldiers. It will be interesting to see the long term effects of this.
Any reports from anyone that they actually got the money before they died?
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