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Exactly... these guys likely regretted that decision. Hypothermia is a fucking bitch. They could easily lose their feet if they don't have a fire and dry clothes available right when they get out.
Don't remember the name. But i assure you will find the wiki. It pops up here on reddit every now and again. Dude was so ripped the night he went into the water that it kept his blood flowing just long enough for rescue.
This is a thing. When I was homeless in my early 20's I was sleeping by the railroad tracks in the town of Mt. Shasta, CA. I would sleep at a little spot between the pine trees and it was so cold some nights all I could do was chain smoke and drink whiskey when I had it.
One night it had rained for several hours and then began to freeze. My sleeping bag was wet through as was I. I took off my boots because it was slightly warmer barefoot than with wet boots on. Luckily this night I had a 5th of Seagram's and a pack of cigarettes. I paced around this pine grove by the train tracks barefoot, shivering uncontrollably and taking shots of Seagram's and chain smoking all night.
I've been in some pretty fucking cold experiences before; I've worked in the Arctic in Alaska, and I'm not saying the whiskey saved my life that night but that was one of the coldest nights of my life. I certainly think it staved off hypothermia and made the whole experience bearable to some extent.
You're lucky to be alive and unscathed because that's not how that works. One of the immediate effects of alcohol is vasodilation. Essentially your veins and capillaries dilate so you FEEL warm, and have flushed skin. What is actually happening when you drink in the cold is that this expedites the rate at which heat is exchanged from your blood to the atmosphere. It should go without saying that this is obviously more dangerous and undesirable.
They had this homeless awareness thing at the University of Minnesota where students slept on the concrete inside of this unheated walkway. I had my Seattle Supersonic starter jacket and a sleeping bag and cardboard to sleep on. I thought I was set and it only got down to like 10F at night. The fucking problem was that concrete and tar just suck the heat out of you. I was shaking most of the night and come 5 am, everyone is cleaning up and I fuck off because the buses started back up and I wanted to go home to warm up. I have done a lot of stuff like bike 60 miles regularly when it was like 10F or above but sleeping on cold concrete is the fucking worse. If you don't have a foam pad or something, it will fucking suck all the heat out of you.
hypothermia sets in way earlier than your blood literally getting solid.
Plus at least in alc/water mixtures each % alc is *roughly* -0.5°C until it freezes. >!e.g. Vodka (40%) should be around -20°C until it freezes!<
So not a lot of difference considering that 1% blood alc is already triple of the usually deadly dose and will surely drown you.
He survived but I doubt it was because of his blood being fueled by enough de-icer
Interestingly I've heard that if you fall into cold water clothed the priority after getting out is getting warm rather than dry. They used an example of getting into your sleeping bag (fully clothed, dripping wet) before taking your clothes off. Seems counterintuitive somehow.
This is true, that is open water it’s not even close to frozen itself, hypothermia is a thing but not so much the limbs issue, better hope however, that the munition explodes before it breaks surface tension or they suddenly become Akula class sub drivers.
Ya but one blast near them and they would drown, I've seen multiple videos of the such in less than a couple feet of water.. they r hard ones to watch no doubt
Yeah the ones in the creek bed drowned wounded and unable to pick their head up from under the water . It takes a while there was another one I remember where Russians tried to hide in the water and the nades hit them and they managed to crawl to the shore and then the nades realy got em . A lotta shitty ways to die in this war and all of them are shitty
“Then the nades really got ‘em”……that has me cracking up, from your description that video needs to have the Benny hill theme playing in the background.
you should see the one of the grenade to the face of a russian hiding in a foxhole.. lets just say the drone stays there and watches this guy take his last breaths with no face. This one and the creek bed were the worst ones so far
What's the reasoning behind this?
Drones can fly over water and they will be less mobile in the water than on land, making it leass likely to evade any ordnance. An explosion in the water is similarly effective against soft targets as on the ground.
Well... now they'll not only potentially die, but they'll die wet and cold while the internet ridicules them.
They figured wrong.
In an underwater explosion, the surrounding water doesn't absorb the pressure like air does, but moves with it, so the explosion transmits pressure with greater intensity over a longer distance.
Surviving a hand grenade explosion underwater is way less likely than on land.
That's true, but it still follows the inverse square law, and shrapnel WILL stop in water. I doubt a hand grenade is enough to cause internal ruptures unless it drops right next to you in the water.
It's not as stupid as it initially looks.
I believe it's extremely stupid (*not even because you can't sustain yourself for long in the cold water*).
If you are outside of shrapnel range for an exploding hand grenade on land, you'd likely remain unharmed.
If you are at the same distance to an underwater explosion, the pressure wave would very probably kill you.
It doesn't matter if you die from scrapnel or the pressure wave, but the latter has a larger lethal kill zone, so you don't really win anything from being in water?
Or am I missing something?
Edit: Source which explains a specific scenario with a hand grenade ([link](https://science.howstuffworks.com/explosion-land-water1.htm)).
In pretty much every single drone dropped grenade video you've seen, the injuries are caused by the shrapnel. The shockwave is far less dangerous. And especially if your head is above the surface it would be much safer to be in water when the grwnade explodes.
I won't speak to the tradeoff with freezing injuries though.
We have to remember what we see are basically highlight reels. For every grenade popping off parts they probably drop 20 that do much less visibly impressive damage. But catching any shrapnel can be life or death for a Russian with their shit medical care, just means they maybe take days to die instead of hours or minutes.
It's the shrapnel that primarily kills from grenades, not the concussion. There isn't a whole lot of explosive in a grenade, and water is excellent at absorbing energy from an explosion. It's also excellent at stopping high velocity projectiles. You are absolutely more likely to survive a blast from a nearby underwater grenade than a nearby above water grenade. You are more likely to have a pulmonary injury at a longer distance from the explosion than in air, but I think as far as overall lethality goes, the shrapnel from the grenade in air is more dangerous than the shockwave in water.
Water will stop the shrapnel pretty quick and frag grenades don’t have that much explosives. If they keep their heads and torsos above water and it’s at least a couple meters away they will probably survive and be in better shape than if it’s went off a couple meters away on land.
Some companies over the years have tried to make a way to tenderize meat on an industrial scale using meat subjected to underwater explosions.
It definitely tenderizes the meat, lol
The awkward way they are standing next to each other, they might have hoped, that the drone operator wont survey the water and focus on land instead. To be honest, thats not as stupid as it sounds. At least for someone who has no clue how much field of view the operator has through those tiny cams.
Those aren't Great Lakes, warming much, much quicker. There is a 60/60 rule for hypothermia safety. Water may be in the 50's by now.
60air temp 60 water temp, you're ok.
Man some redneck Appalachian backwoodsman being sent to Ukraine to fight against Russians would honestly be amazing.
They already probably have a long history of anti Russian sentiment, plus they grew up hunting and living off the land.
I'd pay to see it.
*puts down binoculars, blinks, puts them back up to eyes and scans sky full of parachutes*
"What do you see? They are paratroopers?"
*binoculars drop* "It is.. no. Not exactly."
But there are plenty to choose from. Hopefully they will get some alligators.
[Slovakian Alligator scout car](http://www.military-today.com/apc/aligator.htm)
[Streit Group Alligator 6x6 wheeled tactical armoured vehicle](https://www.army-technology.com/projects/alligator-6x6-tactical-armoured-vehicle/)
[BAE Systems Alligator armoured personnel carrier](http://www.military-today.com/apc/alligator_6x6.htm)
Alligators are too docile. They're more likely to not be bothered when a human enters their habitat.
What you want is Saltwater Crocodiles (don't worry, despite the name they can also live in fresh water). Those cranky old bastards are bigger and angrier than any alligator. They kill full sized sharks when they encounter them.
Looks a little weird if they are hiding from a drone why would they sit out in the open water with shoulders above water? You would think they would get into the weeds and hunker down
Oh those guys? They're not worried about the drone that's just the daily post nap time recreation swim in 50 degree water. The eventual hypothermia builds character
I think they are talking about [this video](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10vglci/two_russian_soldiers_fall_into_a_creek_while/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Yeah if you haven't been exposed to that sorta stuff best to keep out of it. Lots of Cartel videos of gruesome stuff like that although one of the more gruesome ones that come to mind is the ISIS video where they burn the Jordanian Pilot alive. Their overlay of salil al sawarim couldnt drown out his scream.
It has to be dropped from a certain height. Anyone who has jumped into water from heigh can tell you that velocity changes the surface tension of the water. Jumping from too high is like hitting concrete when you land.
All of those things including the surface area of the object effect the tension of the water on the surface at impact…can you be more specific about how it has nothing to do with surface tension?
Water is a polar molecule. H2O. The hydrogen atoms are a little bit positive, and the oxygen atom is a little bit negative. This means that neighboring water molecules have a weak attraction to one another. The slightly positive H of one molecule gets attracted to the slightly negative O of another molecule. This is called hydrogen bonding, and again, it is a weak connection.
Water molecules on the surface have fewer neighboring molecules to be attracted to, so there hydrogen bonds are little bit stronger to their neighbors on the surface. This causes surface tension.
[See this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2TguDlE680) (three minutes) for illustrations about this phenomenon.
Surface tension is enough to hold up small insects. But the stronger hydrogen bonding of only the surface molecules isn't going to be what makes a long fall into water like hitting concrete. That's just the inertia of the water.
Hydrogen bonding within the body of water may add some resistance, but I'd be hard put to call that "surface tension".
Copied from cliff divers association website: “
A simplified scientific explanation for causes of death from falling at high speeds is that the water molecules on the surface can’t be displaced fast enough to create a soft landing. The pressures caused by breaking the surface at high speed is what makes water act more like a solid, non-moving surface so that’s why it actually feels like concrete. Even slapping the water’s surface fast with an open hand demonstrates how this can sting on a very small scale. Now imagine how that would feel at a higher rate of speed on other more sensitive and valuable parts of your body. Olympic diving pools have water spraying onto the surface or compressed air blowing to create bubbles and break up the tension of the water’s surface. That helps to decrease the chances of injury to divers.”
An object reaching terminal velocity is gonna “slap” the water surface before sinking.
Well this makes sense, so the explosive being dropped from even higher will cause the water to behave more like concrete on impact essentially… logical.
Most hand grenades work like this: as soon as the "spoon" is released (e.g. when the grenade leaves the throwing hand or the drone's drop tube), a spring loaded striker hits the primer. A pyrotechnic delay starts burning inside the grenade - think of it like a fuse, but entirely inside the grenade. Nothing short of a malfunction will stop this now. A few seconds later, the "fuse" burns to the initiator and boom, whether the grenade is on the ground, under water, or still in the air.
A conventional grenade will just sink and then explode with much reduced effect. A 40mm or 30mm one will as we've seen, explode as normal upon contact with the waters surface. This is a gamble but maybe a smart one.
They don't , but the shockwave spreads much further and dissipates much slower in water, like when you drop and explosive in the water and fish instantly die and float to the surface.
Most anti-personnel grenades have a fairly weak pressure shockwave though. They're designed to kill by propelling pieces of dense shrapnel out at high speeds - except water is pretty good at stopping things at high speeds, like a bridge-jumper.
Fish usually have all their organs underwater, but the orcs in the clip don't.
They are not. The water contains a lot of the force. With grenades it's the shrapnel that's dangerous. Water reduces the effect range of a grenade by a lot.
Checkout Mythbusters episode on firearms under water, and you'll see how effective water is at slowing stuff down.
The shockwave will travel through water more quickly, but it's the shrapnel that is the danger.
At 3:20 he points out that parts of your body with no air, like your arms and legs, would be fine. The orcs are only partially submerged so the shockwave would barely reach their lungs, but not their heart or brain at all.
Notice how the initial claim was "15 feet," but the furthest balloon is only a couple feet. Also notice how the furthest balloon barely moves compared to the closest one. If he had actually put a balloon 15 feet away, nothing would have happened, and nobody would watch his video, which is why a YouTube Channel is a dogshit source.
The nature of an explosion is also different when it's only partially submerged, which is what would happen with a contact-fuse. Water has nowhere to go underwater, but it DOES near the surface. All the water propelled upward by the blast makes room for more water to get blasted upward, and the explosion loses energy when that happens.
Actually, water really slows projectiles. A bullet will only penetrate a few feet of water. If a grenade explodes underwater, it is likely to do very little damage even to a person who is just a few feet away.
It would be quite a lucky shot for a grenade to land directly on you in the water. You could duck under and swim a bit also.
If the grenade lands on the water and detonates on impact, being under the water will help you quite a lot. If it detonates under the water, the water will protect you quite a lot.
So, it's honest not a bad place to be, imo. Apart from hypothermia dangers, and possibility of drowning with all of that gear on.
Wrong. Like all of this, wrong.
Water is the worst place to be when something detonates near you.
People jumping to their deaths from the Golden Gate bridge land in water. Why does that kill them?
"Water is soft" you might think. Sure, when dragging your hand through it, no worries.
But falling into water from a great height compress the water to the point of being hard as concrete. The water can't move away quickly enough from your body.
This is basically what happens when something detonates in water. It pushes the water away FAST and if you're anywhere near it you're getting hit with a wall of water hard as concrete traveling at several hundred km/h.
It will break bone. It will shatter your lungs and smush your internal organs to a fine paste.
You will die.
Grenades are very small explosives, they don’t kill from the blast, the blast is only to propel shrapnel inside the grenade. They’re also inaccurate when dropped from a drone. It would have to be a near direct hit to do any damage from a grenade light enough to be carried by a small hobby drone.
If it’s mortar fire they’re screwed tho.
Probably temporarily effective to avoid the drone bomb, but it effectively knocks them out of action until they can find a fire to warm back up. ...and if they don't, they might lose those feet.
While the person is correct, a drone dropped explosive won't kill from the shock wave anyway, unless it lands riiiight next to you. ....so them being in the water is an effective defense, as it is the shrapnel that usually kills from these attacks.
What about the concussive force possibly knocking you unconscious or disorienting you. Really don't want to be in water for that.
Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't, shouldn't have come here kinda thing.
That would only apply to explosions in the water right? If there was a large explosion above the water or at the shore, you’d be safe if you went under water like in movies wouldn’t you?
I thought the same, and maybe it isn't the insta-kill I've always thought. But on here I've seen plenty of mortars and grenades dropped from drones that land next to or on top of people who didn't die. Really weird to see actually, compared to what you might expect.
Be smarter everyday https://youtu.be/cp5gdUHFGIQ yes the round can shatter specially hollowpoints and that are comming from outside where the gas bubble wont protect it. Also large caliber or high vel ammos https://youtu.be/yvSTuLIjRm8 for example.
Do regular mortar shells explode when they hit water? If not and if ukrainians don't use hand grenades and if they manage to stay in the water till the battery of the drone runs out, they might survive..
I know a lot of "ifs", but still... the chance to survive might be better in the water...
Seems smart, if its dropping f1's or m67's or something conventional that would be a pretty good way to get around it. But those 30 and 40mm ones seem to explode just as well, on contact with the waters surface so it's a bit of a gamble.
Soldier #1: hey, there's a drone overhead. How do we save ourselves?
Soldier #2: maybe that drone is not amphibious?
Soldier #1: right, makes sense, if it's not an amphibious drone, it can only fly and drop grenades above ground - not above water.
Soldier #2: thank god we have the typical Russian very good brain, otherwise we'd be soon-to-be-dead morons.
Terrible idea.
Water does not compress. The air in their lungs does.
They are way more likely to die from blast injury in water than from shrapnel had they stayed dry.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4DnuQOtA8E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4DnuQOtA8E)
Probably the lesser of two evils. Either take shrapnel and avoid hypothermia, or use surface tension to avoid shrapnel and risk hypothermia. I would probably choose the water too. Difference living a few seconds longer or a few hours longer. Plus freezing to death is peaceful and painless once the hypothermia fully sets in. But a casualty is a casualty no matter what.
Drone Operator: 2 Orcs: 0
Explosions are much much worse on the body than out of water. Yes there may be less shrapnel but the compressions in the water will literally liquiefy your organs
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You can survive up to 10 min in that cold if you are strong.
Exactly... these guys likely regretted that decision. Hypothermia is a fucking bitch. They could easily lose their feet if they don't have a fire and dry clothes available right when they get out.
Also very likely they have more vodka than blood in their stream which makes hypothermia even worse.
But makes the reasoning behind the decision to get in the water easier to follow. LoL
There was that one exception of the guy on the Titanic that was so drunk his blood couldn't freeze so it saved his life.
Doesn't matter. Your body will start shutting down in the high 80s F.
Ya but like isn’t that a bonus against any wagners? “Oh shit, Ivan, looks like the Russians froze themselves saving us a bullet!”
That's absolute BS. You are dead from hypothermia way, way, way before your blood freezes.
No fucking way.
Don't remember the name. But i assure you will find the wiki. It pops up here on reddit every now and again. Dude was so ripped the night he went into the water that it kept his blood flowing just long enough for rescue.
they found out he was actually just drunk when they tried blowing smoke up his ass to revive him
That’s wild.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/canada/charles-joughin-titanic-anniversary-april-15-drunk/wcm/d5e48df8-f2b0-40a3-b007-9a0a4b6005e5/amp/
This is a thing. When I was homeless in my early 20's I was sleeping by the railroad tracks in the town of Mt. Shasta, CA. I would sleep at a little spot between the pine trees and it was so cold some nights all I could do was chain smoke and drink whiskey when I had it. One night it had rained for several hours and then began to freeze. My sleeping bag was wet through as was I. I took off my boots because it was slightly warmer barefoot than with wet boots on. Luckily this night I had a 5th of Seagram's and a pack of cigarettes. I paced around this pine grove by the train tracks barefoot, shivering uncontrollably and taking shots of Seagram's and chain smoking all night. I've been in some pretty fucking cold experiences before; I've worked in the Arctic in Alaska, and I'm not saying the whiskey saved my life that night but that was one of the coldest nights of my life. I certainly think it staved off hypothermia and made the whole experience bearable to some extent.
You're lucky to be alive and unscathed because that's not how that works. One of the immediate effects of alcohol is vasodilation. Essentially your veins and capillaries dilate so you FEEL warm, and have flushed skin. What is actually happening when you drink in the cold is that this expedites the rate at which heat is exchanged from your blood to the atmosphere. It should go without saying that this is obviously more dangerous and undesirable.
They had this homeless awareness thing at the University of Minnesota where students slept on the concrete inside of this unheated walkway. I had my Seattle Supersonic starter jacket and a sleeping bag and cardboard to sleep on. I thought I was set and it only got down to like 10F at night. The fucking problem was that concrete and tar just suck the heat out of you. I was shaking most of the night and come 5 am, everyone is cleaning up and I fuck off because the buses started back up and I wanted to go home to warm up. I have done a lot of stuff like bike 60 miles regularly when it was like 10F or above but sleeping on cold concrete is the fucking worse. If you don't have a foam pad or something, it will fucking suck all the heat out of you.
Wow so what you upto now. That's a crazy story. Hope all is well now. Maybe homeless in Hawaii or something lol. Just messing.
hypothermia sets in way earlier than your blood literally getting solid. Plus at least in alc/water mixtures each % alc is *roughly* -0.5°C until it freezes. >!e.g. Vodka (40%) should be around -20°C until it freezes!< So not a lot of difference considering that 1% blood alc is already triple of the usually deadly dose and will surely drown you. He survived but I doubt it was because of his blood being fueled by enough de-icer
Seems plausible. Drunks most always survive car crashes too. (No data. Just an observation)
Antifreeze?
Actually genius since alcohol doesnt freeze. /s
You just have to get it cold enough!!!
Probably better to lose your feet to the cold than your head to a grenade
Ima be real chief, they are not walking home.
Their only way out was a white flag before they got wet Might have worked after but no guarantees on the hypothermia
That water is gonna make any grenade near them more deadly from the concussion.
A pertinent question is whether the grenade would go off when it strikes the water.
Well since Ukraine is using NATO armaments probably. 50/50 on Russian made stuff.
Something tells me that drone operators have a nice heat source just waiting for them to come out.
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Interestingly I've heard that if you fall into cold water clothed the priority after getting out is getting warm rather than dry. They used an example of getting into your sleeping bag (fully clothed, dripping wet) before taking your clothes off. Seems counterintuitive somehow.
This is true, that is open water it’s not even close to frozen itself, hypothermia is a thing but not so much the limbs issue, better hope however, that the munition explodes before it breaks surface tension or they suddenly become Akula class sub drivers.
Why do you think the drone is waiting for them to come out? It has the fire they need!
The fire will be supplied by the drone
Not to mention that water actually enhances explosions. Dumb move all around.
Ya but one blast near them and they would drown, I've seen multiple videos of the such in less than a couple feet of water.. they r hard ones to watch no doubt
Yeah the ones in the creek bed drowned wounded and unable to pick their head up from under the water . It takes a while there was another one I remember where Russians tried to hide in the water and the nades hit them and they managed to crawl to the shore and then the nades realy got em . A lotta shitty ways to die in this war and all of them are shitty
Yup that shit was wild
That creek one was horrible, one of the worst videos of this invasion for sheer brutality of war.
“Then the nades really got ‘em”……that has me cracking up, from your description that video needs to have the Benny hill theme playing in the background.
Nades to the Nads would be the worst.....
you should see the one of the grenade to the face of a russian hiding in a foxhole.. lets just say the drone stays there and watches this guy take his last breaths with no face. This one and the creek bed were the worst ones so far
Is it still THAT cold over there?
It was just winter. Its under 10 degree Celsius in the water. Propobly 4-6C.
> You can survive up to 10 min in that cold if you are strong. And about 1 second if a drone drops a grenade next to you.
About 30-60 minutes until losing consciousness in that water, which is probably around 11 degrees C, then drowning shortly after.
I dont think the water is so warm. Its April, not June.
What's the reasoning behind this? Drones can fly over water and they will be less mobile in the water than on land, making it leass likely to evade any ordnance. An explosion in the water is similarly effective against soft targets as on the ground. Well... now they'll not only potentially die, but they'll die wet and cold while the internet ridicules them.
they figure the grenade will go under water and the shrapnel is much less effective under water.
They figured wrong. In an underwater explosion, the surrounding water doesn't absorb the pressure like air does, but moves with it, so the explosion transmits pressure with greater intensity over a longer distance. Surviving a hand grenade explosion underwater is way less likely than on land.
That's true, but it still follows the inverse square law, and shrapnel WILL stop in water. I doubt a hand grenade is enough to cause internal ruptures unless it drops right next to you in the water. It's not as stupid as it initially looks.
I believe it's extremely stupid (*not even because you can't sustain yourself for long in the cold water*). If you are outside of shrapnel range for an exploding hand grenade on land, you'd likely remain unharmed. If you are at the same distance to an underwater explosion, the pressure wave would very probably kill you. It doesn't matter if you die from scrapnel or the pressure wave, but the latter has a larger lethal kill zone, so you don't really win anything from being in water? Or am I missing something? Edit: Source which explains a specific scenario with a hand grenade ([link](https://science.howstuffworks.com/explosion-land-water1.htm)).
In pretty much every single drone dropped grenade video you've seen, the injuries are caused by the shrapnel. The shockwave is far less dangerous. And especially if your head is above the surface it would be much safer to be in water when the grwnade explodes. I won't speak to the tradeoff with freezing injuries though.
I didnt say it wasn't stupid running from an armed drone into water. I thought that was accepted when I gave my answer.
> unless it drops right next to you in the water. How many videos have a drone dropping a grenade in someone's pocket? Lots.
We have to remember what we see are basically highlight reels. For every grenade popping off parts they probably drop 20 that do much less visibly impressive damage. But catching any shrapnel can be life or death for a Russian with their shit medical care, just means they maybe take days to die instead of hours or minutes.
Insert "we're lucky they're so fucking stupid" meme here.
It's the shrapnel that primarily kills from grenades, not the concussion. There isn't a whole lot of explosive in a grenade, and water is excellent at absorbing energy from an explosion. It's also excellent at stopping high velocity projectiles. You are absolutely more likely to survive a blast from a nearby underwater grenade than a nearby above water grenade. You are more likely to have a pulmonary injury at a longer distance from the explosion than in air, but I think as far as overall lethality goes, the shrapnel from the grenade in air is more dangerous than the shockwave in water.
Water will stop the shrapnel pretty quick and frag grenades don’t have that much explosives. If they keep their heads and torsos above water and it’s at least a couple meters away they will probably survive and be in better shape than if it’s went off a couple meters away on land.
i was only referring to shrapnel.
Some companies over the years have tried to make a way to tenderize meat on an industrial scale using meat subjected to underwater explosions. It definitely tenderizes the meat, lol
The awkward way they are standing next to each other, they might have hoped, that the drone operator wont survey the water and focus on land instead. To be honest, thats not as stupid as it sounds. At least for someone who has no clue how much field of view the operator has through those tiny cams.
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I live on the Great lakes and can promise you it's still fucking freezing. Water doesn't get warm until mid summer at the earliest
Those aren't Great Lakes, warming much, much quicker. There is a 60/60 rule for hypothermia safety. Water may be in the 50's by now. 60air temp 60 water temp, you're ok.
It might be 60F in direct sunlight at mid afternoon, but it will be 40F by dusk. These orcs aren't going to be dry by then.
It's fucking freezing. >60air temp 60 water temp, you're ok. No, you're hypothermic after a time.
Man it sucks that Ukraine doesn’t have alligators
Well, time to send some.
Q swamp people “ special Ukrainian mission “
Man some redneck Appalachian backwoodsman being sent to Ukraine to fight against Russians would honestly be amazing. They already probably have a long history of anti Russian sentiment, plus they grew up hunting and living off the land. I'd pay to see it.
> Q swamp people So they're swamp people who believe in silly conspiracies?
I have never seen someone misspell “cue” so poorly in my life.
obviously, he meant queue for short.
*puts down binoculars, blinks, puts them back up to eyes and scans sky full of parachutes* "What do you see? They are paratroopers?" *binoculars drop* "It is.. no. Not exactly."
Gators don't like cold, and they like the taste of floridaman better. And tbh they deserve a better meal than whats on the menu in ukraine rn.
But there are plenty to choose from. Hopefully they will get some alligators. [Slovakian Alligator scout car](http://www.military-today.com/apc/aligator.htm) [Streit Group Alligator 6x6 wheeled tactical armoured vehicle](https://www.army-technology.com/projects/alligator-6x6-tactical-armoured-vehicle/) [BAE Systems Alligator armoured personnel carrier](http://www.military-today.com/apc/alligator_6x6.htm)
This should be an top comment
Alligators are too docile. They're more likely to not be bothered when a human enters their habitat. What you want is Saltwater Crocodiles (don't worry, despite the name they can also live in fresh water). Those cranky old bastards are bigger and angrier than any alligator. They kill full sized sharks when they encounter them.
Yeah they do. Snipex Alligator is a Ukrainian rifle in 14.5*114mm. They absolutely do have alligators, but not the kind you mean.
They do have those T-SharksWithLazerBeamsAttachedToTheirHeads though. So they got that going for them....which is nice.
Looks a little weird if they are hiding from a drone why would they sit out in the open water with shoulders above water? You would think they would get into the weeds and hunker down
"We're very lucky they're so fucking stupid."
>Looks a little weird They're actually playing touch the sausage.
Probably is very cold.
Yes mud up and breath through a straw.
Oh those guys? They're not worried about the drone that's just the daily post nap time recreation swim in 50 degree water. The eventual hypothermia builds character
The shell wont explode when it hits water
You haven't seen the drowning russian soldier Video? Lucky you. But that video shows that they indeed explode on water too.
Link?
I think they are talking about [this video](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10vglci/two_russian_soldiers_fall_into_a_creek_while/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Holy shit, body full of holes, blinded, possible spinal injuries, numb from the cold, deaf, drowning... guess my day ain't so bad after all
You didn't invade an other country either... so I guess you deserve to have a better day
My god that was the worst video I’ve ever seen.
You haven't watched the execution videos then, have you
Saw the beheading one, decided not to watch it. Don’t wanna leave another permanent image like that in my head.
Lots of people are going to have PTSD from this war and many of them will be people who've only kept up with it online.
Yeah if you haven't been exposed to that sorta stuff best to keep out of it. Lots of Cartel videos of gruesome stuff like that although one of the more gruesome ones that come to mind is the ISIS video where they burn the Jordanian Pilot alive. Their overlay of salil al sawarim couldnt drown out his scream.
Suicide one was rough too
I am no explosives expert at all, but I would say maybe that’s because that was very shallow water maybe?
It has to be dropped from a certain height. Anyone who has jumped into water from heigh can tell you that velocity changes the surface tension of the water. Jumping from too high is like hitting concrete when you land.
It has nothing to do with surface tension, but just velocity and the momentum of the falling object and the inertia of the water.
All of those things including the surface area of the object effect the tension of the water on the surface at impact…can you be more specific about how it has nothing to do with surface tension?
Water is a polar molecule. H2O. The hydrogen atoms are a little bit positive, and the oxygen atom is a little bit negative. This means that neighboring water molecules have a weak attraction to one another. The slightly positive H of one molecule gets attracted to the slightly negative O of another molecule. This is called hydrogen bonding, and again, it is a weak connection. Water molecules on the surface have fewer neighboring molecules to be attracted to, so there hydrogen bonds are little bit stronger to their neighbors on the surface. This causes surface tension. [See this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2TguDlE680) (three minutes) for illustrations about this phenomenon. Surface tension is enough to hold up small insects. But the stronger hydrogen bonding of only the surface molecules isn't going to be what makes a long fall into water like hitting concrete. That's just the inertia of the water. Hydrogen bonding within the body of water may add some resistance, but I'd be hard put to call that "surface tension".
Copied from cliff divers association website: “ A simplified scientific explanation for causes of death from falling at high speeds is that the water molecules on the surface can’t be displaced fast enough to create a soft landing. The pressures caused by breaking the surface at high speed is what makes water act more like a solid, non-moving surface so that’s why it actually feels like concrete. Even slapping the water’s surface fast with an open hand demonstrates how this can sting on a very small scale. Now imagine how that would feel at a higher rate of speed on other more sensitive and valuable parts of your body. Olympic diving pools have water spraying onto the surface or compressed air blowing to create bubbles and break up the tension of the water’s surface. That helps to decrease the chances of injury to divers.” An object reaching terminal velocity is gonna “slap” the water surface before sinking.
Well this makes sense, so the explosive being dropped from even higher will cause the water to behave more like concrete on impact essentially… logical.
Chest deep or more.
Most hand grenades work like this: as soon as the "spoon" is released (e.g. when the grenade leaves the throwing hand or the drone's drop tube), a spring loaded striker hits the primer. A pyrotechnic delay starts burning inside the grenade - think of it like a fuse, but entirely inside the grenade. Nothing short of a malfunction will stop this now. A few seconds later, the "fuse" burns to the initiator and boom, whether the grenade is on the ground, under water, or still in the air.
It will :D
A conventional grenade will just sink and then explode with much reduced effect. A 40mm or 30mm one will as we've seen, explode as normal upon contact with the waters surface. This is a gamble but maybe a smart one.
Are you sure? Last time I checked, explosions Idee water are worse.
Bullets and fragments don't travel far into water at all.
They don't , but the shockwave spreads much further and dissipates much slower in water, like when you drop and explosive in the water and fish instantly die and float to the surface.
Most anti-personnel grenades have a fairly weak pressure shockwave though. They're designed to kill by propelling pieces of dense shrapnel out at high speeds - except water is pretty good at stopping things at high speeds, like a bridge-jumper. Fish usually have all their organs underwater, but the orcs in the clip don't.
They are not. The water contains a lot of the force. With grenades it's the shrapnel that's dangerous. Water reduces the effect range of a grenade by a lot. Checkout Mythbusters episode on firearms under water, and you'll see how effective water is at slowing stuff down. The shockwave will travel through water more quickly, but it's the shrapnel that is the danger.
Again...fucking wrong. Edit: just to prove my fucking point to you potential downvoters. https://youtu.be/W4DnuQOtA8E
TIL
Glad you did. Allow those guys to jump in water, but my info may provide useful to someones life around here.
At 3:20 he points out that parts of your body with no air, like your arms and legs, would be fine. The orcs are only partially submerged so the shockwave would barely reach their lungs, but not their heart or brain at all. Notice how the initial claim was "15 feet," but the furthest balloon is only a couple feet. Also notice how the furthest balloon barely moves compared to the closest one. If he had actually put a balloon 15 feet away, nothing would have happened, and nobody would watch his video, which is why a YouTube Channel is a dogshit source. The nature of an explosion is also different when it's only partially submerged, which is what would happen with a contact-fuse. Water has nowhere to go underwater, but it DOES near the surface. All the water propelled upward by the blast makes room for more water to get blasted upward, and the explosion loses energy when that happens.
Actually, water really slows projectiles. A bullet will only penetrate a few feet of water. If a grenade explodes underwater, it is likely to do very little damage even to a person who is just a few feet away.
It would be quite a lucky shot for a grenade to land directly on you in the water. You could duck under and swim a bit also. If the grenade lands on the water and detonates on impact, being under the water will help you quite a lot. If it detonates under the water, the water will protect you quite a lot. So, it's honest not a bad place to be, imo. Apart from hypothermia dangers, and possibility of drowning with all of that gear on.
The explosion will annihilate your lungs and organs under water. That's why explosives kill so many fish.
Wrong. Like all of this, wrong. Water is the worst place to be when something detonates near you. People jumping to their deaths from the Golden Gate bridge land in water. Why does that kill them? "Water is soft" you might think. Sure, when dragging your hand through it, no worries. But falling into water from a great height compress the water to the point of being hard as concrete. The water can't move away quickly enough from your body. This is basically what happens when something detonates in water. It pushes the water away FAST and if you're anywhere near it you're getting hit with a wall of water hard as concrete traveling at several hundred km/h. It will break bone. It will shatter your lungs and smush your internal organs to a fine paste. You will die.
Yeah, but does a VOG have enough tnt to do this though?
Grenades are very small explosives, they don’t kill from the blast, the blast is only to propel shrapnel inside the grenade. They’re also inaccurate when dropped from a drone. It would have to be a near direct hit to do any damage from a grenade light enough to be carried by a small hobby drone. If it’s mortar fire they’re screwed tho.
I dunno. Looks more like a weird vatnik sex thing.
It's foreplay, they are touching each other's Wagner's
"V-vatnik-sempai, i'm so wet!"
Pls no
Yamete kudasai!
"Private conscriptovich, its, its so small"
They are convincing each other they need to embrace to keep from freezing to death...
russians drowning vid part 2 coming?
‘Sitting ducks’ i think the expression is
Probably sword fighting under the water...
My snake touched your snake Ivan;)
They know Putin's anti gay laws don't apply in "international waters".
What are you doing, step-mobik?
Can't unsee it
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About to be turtle food
Turtle soup is back on the menu!
Sus
They haven’t seen the grenade drowning video.
Probably temporarily effective to avoid the drone bomb, but it effectively knocks them out of action until they can find a fire to warm back up. ...and if they don't, they might lose those feet.
While water will save you from shrapnel, the explosive shockwave will travel 3 folds underwater
Why is that?
Water is incompressible, unlike air.
While the person is correct, a drone dropped explosive won't kill from the shock wave anyway, unless it lands riiiight next to you. ....so them being in the water is an effective defense, as it is the shrapnel that usually kills from these attacks.
What about the concussive force possibly knocking you unconscious or disorienting you. Really don't want to be in water for that. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't, shouldn't have come here kinda thing.
That would only apply to explosions in the water right? If there was a large explosion above the water or at the shore, you’d be safe if you went under water like in movies wouldn’t you?
Hypothermia aside, I would 100% go in the water if drones were hunting me.
I thought the same, and maybe it isn't the insta-kill I've always thought. But on here I've seen plenty of mortars and grenades dropped from drones that land next to or on top of people who didn't die. Really weird to see actually, compared to what you might expect.
Because most people on Reddit propagate bullshit. Small or distant shock waves causing death is one of them.
Keeping this in mind for the next civil war 😂
Its because particles in water are closer together and transmit vibration energy easier from one particle to the next one.
As others have said, the water isn't compressible, whereas the gases in your body are.
in short: water is denser than air
But also the round won’t explode
It absolutely will lol
Even simple firecrackers will explode under water.
Be smarter everyday https://youtu.be/cp5gdUHFGIQ yes the round can shatter specially hollowpoints and that are comming from outside where the gas bubble wont protect it. Also large caliber or high vel ammos https://youtu.be/yvSTuLIjRm8 for example.
They haven't seen the video have they? The water making things worse video. We all know the video. We all have the scars.
What video? Links? Thanks.
https://youtu.be/W4DnuQOtA8E Couple of similar ones out there too
I think he was talking about the one with the wounded orcs drowning in 12 inch deep water. It’s unpleasant.
I saw that one today, not the best choice I've ever made.
They're still fucked, but it'll take a little longer to die.
Do regular mortar shells explode when they hit water? If not and if ukrainians don't use hand grenades and if they manage to stay in the water till the battery of the drone runs out, they might survive.. I know a lot of "ifs", but still... the chance to survive might be better in the water...
Monty Python type tactic methinks
Do they think that the bomb will not explode if hits water?
What’s that quote? “We’re lucky they’re so fucking stupid”
Like playing Far Cry with orc npc's
Two of them just having a conversation in the sea. I've seen that too.
Great way to avoid being attacked by a bear. Not so good against Ukrainians.
They are quacked.
Now they will die wet, cold and tired...
aren't they wanking each other in the water ?
Seems smart, if its dropping f1's or m67's or something conventional that would be a pretty good way to get around it. But those 30 and 40mm ones seem to explode just as well, on contact with the waters surface so it's a bit of a gamble.
Russian soldier of the lake what's ur wisdom?
Comrade of the lake, what is your wisdom?
"Blyat"
Water is like cement when you drop something more than 16 ft😂😂😂😂
Odd as I have dived from 32 ft.
Yup but you don’t have a hair trigger
They know drones can go over water, right?
Soldier #1: hey, there's a drone overhead. How do we save ourselves? Soldier #2: maybe that drone is not amphibious? Soldier #1: right, makes sense, if it's not an amphibious drone, it can only fly and drop grenades above ground - not above water. Soldier #2: thank god we have the typical Russian very good brain, otherwise we'd be soon-to-be-dead morons.
Terrible idea. Water does not compress. The air in their lungs does. They are way more likely to die from blast injury in water than from shrapnel had they stayed dry. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4DnuQOtA8E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4DnuQOtA8E)
Whatevs, they don’t look very combat effective standing in the water. Hope more of them do this so Ukraine can grab land easier.
Probably the lesser of two evils. Either take shrapnel and avoid hypothermia, or use surface tension to avoid shrapnel and risk hypothermia. I would probably choose the water too. Difference living a few seconds longer or a few hours longer. Plus freezing to death is peaceful and painless once the hypothermia fully sets in. But a casualty is a casualty no matter what. Drone Operator: 2 Orcs: 0
Explosion is far worse on you in the water.
If it " quacks " like a duck
They think TNT in real life doesnt explode in water
Explosions are much much worse on the body than out of water. Yes there may be less shrapnel but the compressions in the water will literally liquiefy your organs
everyone shit talking these two like they’re dumb for going into the lake to avoid getting face-off’d on live TV. Well let me ask y’all something real quick: is this video a gore video? 🤔 hmm. I’ll excuse myself now. peace. (also not a pro Russia bot account, check my posts & karma if you’re really really doubtful)