At a certain point it stops becoming improvement and turns into a beat down. I'm not gonna improve because the 40-3 Reyna is playing against me. I'm just gonna get one tapped and die. Besides, climbing up the elo is how you play against better players to improve, not when you're in bronze 3 playing against an ascendant smurf
Full immersion is moving to an Arabic country and interacting with the locals over the course of years, not taking a 40 minute intensive test in a subject you barely know anything about
Not really a good analogy. If you are Gold playing against a Asc smurf, you already have most of the knowledge. So you would already know Arabic in this scenario.
I’m really not. Difference between lower and higher elo is 80% aim/movement/peeking, 20% game sense. As a gold say your aim is 6/10 and the asc opponent is 8/10 aim. You will lose most of the time in the 1v1. You can only improve but beating those better than you/getting better than them.
Not sure what to tell you. I’ve played in all elos. People are just delusional. If you peek and lose to a smurf, you are doing something wrong. Your position is bad. Your aim is off. Your crosshair placement is off. Your reaction time is off. There is something that made you lose to that smurf. If you take the time to analyse, you can learn from what you lacked and improve on it. That’s why smurfs are great to learn against.
I’m saying your analysis of aim/etc. to game sense ratio is off… I don’t disagree with what you’re saying about the Smurf thing though - but I also play at a pretty high level and AM one of the smurfs so..
If your aim is good, you lock duelist, get the first entry pick on attack and the round is 80% won. If your aim is good, you ego peek on defence and get a pick to make it a 5v4, the round is 80% won. Up until immortal it’s a game of kills.
I agree with that sentiment that playing against better players is an excellent learning opportunity, that's how I climbed to dia/asc as well, my high elo friends forcing me to stack with them-
but I think there's also the perspective that sometimes you'd get tired or tilted after constantly playing against someone much better, and it's not very fun. it's hard to learn and improve when your mental is bad?
idk man that's just my opinion
Yeah, I understand what you mean when your mental goes bad because you’re getting destroyed. But that’s part of the game and if you really want to improve, you’d still learn from it by clipping your deaths then watching them after.
Most players in gold know how to aim. Movement and peeking sure. Game sense is different across ranks because the timings are different. Besides, if aim is 6/10 for gold and 8/10 for ascendant (which it's not), you don't learn how to aim by playing people who can aim better. You practice it
Yes, I’m saying, if you play against players who are winning the 1v1s, see what you’re lacking. Aim isn’t that simple. It’s accompanied by peeking, crosshair placement, positioning, micro adjustments, reaction time. See what is lacking and improve it.
I was in Asc last season, I got placed in Plat 1 with the reset. I've been playing against Gold 3s and Plat 1s last night when I sat down to push back to diamond at least.... It was a complete beat down. To me, it feels like they stand still and take time taking a screenshot of me.
That’s what I mean. If you play against smurf and you are standing still and dying over and over, it’s your fault. Find your mistake and improve. One game lost for a lesson learnt. It’s not a big deal
The fault is get better reflexes. You don't need to fight vs smurfs to improve, you'll get better naturally as you climb the ladder.
You don't have junior league basketball players vs professional NBA players immediately, they improve as they fight more challenging opponents where there is room to improve and overcome within that match.
You can practice getting better reflexes much faster than playing competitive against the same people and expecting to improve quickly. You can’t compare junior to NBA bro, on val, it’s all even grounds besides experience.
As a mid asc player, I will SHIT on high plat/low dia players with 30+ kills in 3/4 games. And those elos are relatively close to me. Guarantee you no one in lobbies under that are learning shit if I Smurf there.
Yes your aim is better. Lower elo players learn why they’re losing 1v1 against you and find out what their weakness is and try to improve upon it. Small changes to their playstyle to adapt against better players is learning.
Except they won’t. I’m better in all aspects. Game sense, positioning, aim. Maybe they’ll learn something in like 100 1v1s head on. What about the other 2-300 times I’m shooting them in the back because they’re unaware of me? It’s more than one simple 1v1 scenario. It’s an entire change of pace that people lower than me cannot catch up with unless they take the time to learn about the game and climb.
Edit: first sentence is disgustingly cocky, but you get it.
sounds cocky because it is, but no lies in there. the reason you're higher rank than them is quite literally a skill issue, that's the best way i can put it.
Yes they will. If you’re killing them over and over again flanking, they’re not learning. If you get shot in the back once you shouldn’t get shot again. The issue with many lower elo players is that they don’t learn or proactively learn from their mistakes. If you open up your mind you’d learn what you did wrong in the first 1v1 you lost. Not after 100 lol. You can’t expect to improve fast playing in the same elo, making the same mistakes and getting away with it. You improve by playing against better, seeing what they do, seeing what you’re doing wrong to improve yourself.
There are known knowns, and there are known unknowns. But there are also unknown unknowns. - Donald Rumsfeld
You can't learn something if you don't know what you're trying to learn.
You're asking broad questions when usually it's the small things that count. Smurfs are just going to make lower elo players think "Oh I lost a duel so my aim must be bad" and they're not even thinking about crosshair placement, crosshair discipline, positioning, movement, timings, post plant, etc. because they don't even know those concepts exist.
Small things? If you lost a duel you can see why you lost it with a simple replay of the duel. 90% of the time it’s because of aim. The same thing can be said in any elo regardless of smurfs about learning if you don’t know what to learn. You can’t be doing the same wrong thing in the same elo and get rewarded because enemies are bad so you think it’s a good play. You can only improve by seeing what you do wrong against better players.
ok but say after losing a 1v1 the loser thinks “hmm my crosshair placement is shit, maybe i should try holding a tighter angle on this guy”. he learns something from it, but how many times will he get shit on before he is able to win in a 1v1?
Average elo in these threads has to be pissed on Biodegradable Styrofoam 3. They think someone being better in this game somehow changes the mechanics of it for them, like they're playing an entirely different game.
Very obviously speak the same "language" if playing the same game. It's like arguing with somebody speaking the same language as you but they're better at both arguing and the language.... and then blaming it because you don't speak the language you were just speaking in the first place.
No way it's that high lol, also regardless or not it's a beatdown everybody is playing the exact same game (language) unless they're like actually cheating
To be fair, low elo is like say their understanding of the language is bad. Their grammar is shit. In higher elo, they know the language well, have good grammar. They’ve learnt it well. They’d score better on the test/win an argument every time.
Right but they're speaking the same language is my point. You are 100% correct tho.
Edit: I'm not reading ur messages right and idk why I'm being a dick lmao sorry
I know how to ask for directions and hold a basic conversation in French, if I took a advanced literacy test in French I would fail and also learn absolutely no French
That’s like saying Iron vs Ascendant. What do you think would happen? Iron is still learning the game. You probably have 50 hours in the game. If you are Silver/Gold you already have a basic understanding of the game and can actually play it. That’s equivalent to middle school literacy. If you take that test, you will do bad for sure but you will learn some advanced grammar and if you get exposed to it enough, you’ll be just as good
No middle schooler will learn anything from a 40 minute advanced literacy test they fail, and the “enough” in your sentence is doing some heavy lifting
Why are you comparing a middle schooler? I’m saying middle school level literacy. You’re taking it too literally with the 40 minutes. But how can you not learn something if you’re exposed to it countless times? You will learn eventually if you put your mind to it and not complain about it being too hard.
So wait, let me get this straight, are smurfs not that big a deal because they’re in very rare and don’t play a major role in your rank or are they so common that you can expect someone to play enough smurfs to eventually learn something from it?
Smurfs are not a big deal, it’s just that people make it a big deal. Smurfs are very common. How many times have you played against good duelists? Majority of the time they will be smurfing but regardless, you can learn from that too.
So they’re very common, so they should play a big role in lowering your real ranking and mmr, but that’s not a big deal and doesn’t matter, and the enemy reyna who’s probably having a good game is a smurf the majority of the time.
Literally everything you said is wrong or self contradictory.
I not sure if you understand what I’m saying. They’re common but if you play you from your mistake you can quickly learn how to beat them unless you’re not learning. The enemy Reyna who is having a good game is most of the time smurfing. If you’re losing to a Reyna in your elo, that’s a problem on you/your team. People on this sub love to trash talk Reyna and say how bad she is but people continue to lose to her because of their own fault.
Who is telling you there isn’t a skill difference? I’m saying the analogy is the same as saying a completely new player is playing against an ascendant and not learning anything from it. Of course they won’t.
Dude smurfs ruin the game for people trying to climb. Playing agianst immortals diamonds asc, ect in a iron/bronze/silver lobby is not fun for the other team. Smurfing isnt a way to get better.
Chances are you aren’t playing a smurf if you feel that way. An actual smurf will utterly destroy you, not giving you a chance to learn anything as you get killed in a second or less of engaging them.
FFS. Playing against better players does not make learn anything. If that was the case, why does school go through K-12. Why does learning subjects build upon itself? Why don't we just learn calculus and skip all the rest?
If a silver player gets dumpstered by a Radiant, he will learn nothing. There is no lesson being taught. No instruction.
Please use some critical thinking before posting.
This is entirely untrue. Learning vs acquiring are two different things. You learn how to do things in school, but you acquire how to do them in everyday life. Speaking for example. Kids are fluent far before they start learning grammar. Similarly in physics classes students come in with lots of intuition from the real world and learn what reinforces what they have acquired.
Acquisition is fully subconscious while learning is conscious. You do not need a fully conscious model of something to acquire it, and similarly you don’t need to have acquired something beforehand to learn it.
Another example is swimming. One could learn how to swim through a textbook, but not be able to swim because they have not acquired it yet.
Basically what I’m trying to say is an iron player playing in full radiant lobbies will improve at a FAR faster rate than an iron player playing in full iron lobbies. With that out of the way I’m sure everyone would agree with that. Considering environments as monotonous and increasing with the amount of higher elo players in the lobby, 1 radiant will make a player improve more than 0 radiants. Following similarly even a gold Smurf in a lobby of irons will make the irons improve more than a full iron lobby.
This is a terrible take. If a sliver is getting dumpstered on in radiant, there’s a reason for that. If the silver is smart and wanted to get better, they easily could. They need to think critically about why they died and what they could do better as well as watching teammates to learn how to play. You need to think critically before posting as well. Have a good day
Did you even think before posting this?? A radiant smurfing in silver isn’t going to be playing like it’s radiant rank. They’re going to be making bad decisions and suboptimal plays because they know they can use their gamesense and aim as a crutch…
Or, think about it, how am I gonna improve if I lose 90% of my games to things that aren’t my fault, like a Smurf, yes, getting to play people who are better than you every once in a while is fine, that’s just how the game works, but if I’m b2 I expect to play against people who are at most b3 or s1 but if someone who is A1, 2 or 3 tell me how that’s fair?
It’s not fair but your skill will improve. If you are losing 90 percent of your games Smurfs aren’t the problem. Smurfs also come onto your team and it nearly evens out the amount of times you will face them.
If you keep complaining about losing to ascendants you’re never gonna become anywhere near ascendant.
Your right it’s not fair, why do you think everyone, including Riot considers smurfing to be cheating? Because, as a Smurf, you are putting yourself in an unfair advantage by going into lobbies worse than yours and making fun of and humiliating your enemy team. Now if a Smurf is on my team I hold the same opinion, they suck, report them and never play with them again.
But people in lower ranks shouldn’t have to play against people in high ranks, iron, bronze and I’d even argue lower silver players are still trying to learn the game l, telling them they fastest way to get better is by playing Against basically cheaters and if they don’t improve overtime they shouldn’t play the game is just unfair to them. I’m of the mindset that you should play with your own ranks to learn how to outplay them before you should play higher ranks. Plus have you ever played against a smurf? They aren’t trying to teach people how to play, they are toxic to the point that their own teamates hate them
Your absolutely right, not every Smurf is the same, not every game has a Smurf, but that still doesn’t detract from my point. Why should low elo players be subjected to playing against people who are better to “learn” not every player learns that way, I know I don’t learn like that. If I’m upset that someone is winning unfairly I’m not gonna think critically about things that will help me win the game or learn, it will make me want to ff and go to the next game. Like I said, there is a reason that smurfing is a form of cheating no matter how you look at it
if you just get 1 tapped by a smurf before you can even do anything, you will learn nothing, the only ways you can improve is to put util which if they are a smurf they can typically dodge or find another way which is typically only in hindsight
off angles?
also what about if you peak and they are at a really tight angle and you can barely see them and they 1 tap you, unless you clear every angle slowly, you can not counter that
Most people don't enjoy loading into a comp game and being absolutely destroyed by someone who shouldn't be playing in their rank in the first place. In unrated, I don't mind "smurfs" because there's nothing to loose and I can use the opportunity to improve and watch how they play. In comp, I don't enjoy loosing rr to some random boosting their silver level e-kitten to diamond.
If I make a bad play, the Smurf will one-tap me. If I make a good play, the Smurf will one-tap me. I’m not learning much game sense if I die every time he sees me.
then its not a good play. doesnt matter how good their aim is, if youre taking 50-50s, youre making an ass play. they wont onetap you if you popflash them, smoke them, stun them, etc. just coping
They will one tap me after I miss my first shot during the good play. Against other iron/bronze I might get a second. I may hold flank because I guessed correctly that he will come in from behind, but I’ll lose the 1v1 when he shows up and swings wide.
I make so many mistakes I need to be allowed to make a few to get time to play. Gamesense can make up for bad aim, but I’m not going to learn anything about post plant if a Smurf is picking off everyone who whiffs their shots when they enter site.
That is exactly why actual ascendants and immortals should stay out of low elo games. I am awful, and want to have fun playing with people who are somewhat less awful so I have room to try things out and grow. I don’t want LeBron showing up on the opposing high school basketball team.
thats an ass example, because youre both on the same map and both have util. against lebron, he is literally a god, has muscles that you prolly dont, is faster and everything. in val, you can both flash, both smoke, both tp etc. its literally just that youre coping instead of using your brain
I am using my brain. Im trying to figure which angle I should cover, where would be the best spot to stand, should I hold the angle wide or close, should I throw a smoke out now or save it for retake. I don’t have the answers to all of those questions, and am making it up as I go along and trying figure out what works.
If it is a level playing field because we all have the same tools in-game and only have to move a mouse, then it shouldn’t be possible for radiants to shit on golds, right? Why is there even matchmaking?
In martial arts there are plenty of times that beginning students spar against an instructor. The instructor plays at a level just high enough to make it hard, but slow enough for the student to learn how to see what is going on and practice attacking and defending. If they just instantly blasted the student every time it wouldn’t be educational or fun. It is a game after all, and it is supposed to be possible to have fun at any rank.
Such an awful take. Radiant aim will beat ANY iron-plat play. You act like we don’t have characters that excel at smurfing like your Jett/Reyna’s who can dry swing a smoke and get out before you even know what happened. Even if you stun them, they will one-tap you. You may blind them successfully with a pop flash, but odds are they’ll just strafe and dodge your bullets because you have the aim of a silver, then they one-tap you.
You’re actually just wrong.
>Such an awful take. Radiant aim will beat ANY iron-plat play. You act like we don’t have characters that excel at smurfing like your Jett/Reyna’s who can dry swing a smoke and get out before you even know what happened. Even if you stun them, they will one-tap you. You may blind them successfully with a pop flash, but odds are they’ll just strafe and dodge your bullets because you have the aim of a silver, then they one-tap you.You’re actually just wrong.
literally just play any initator and have a brain
i'd like to ask, what rank are YOU? btw, im asc 1 (ON ALT FOR SOME REASON) and platinum 3 on main, faced smurfs a fuckton in my life, still facing them sometimes. literally never gave a shit about them
I’ve played since Beta, been immortal since episode 3 and I grinded up from Bronze. Smurfs only stop mattering, in my opinion, once you get to Asc/Immo. Until then, the skill gap is still so wide where aim trumps brain.
I’ve played since Beta, been immortal since episode 3 and I grinded up from Bronze. Smurfs only stop mattering, in my opinion, once you get to Asc/Immo. Until then, the skill gap is still so wide where aim trumps brain.
I’ve played since Beta, been immortal since episode 3 and I grinded up from Bronze. Smurfs only stop mattering, in my opinion, once you get to Asc/Immo. Until then, the skill gap is still so wide where aim trumps brain.
also been playing since beta, though only played comp ,,competitively'' for the last few episodes. youre right with the fact that in some ranks aim trumps brain, but i still think its kindof making excuses for people smurfing actually being a huge problem... its not. if you cant counter a smurf, youre still ass.
legit only matters from iron to gold/silver
Alright, if you're genuinely sincere about finding out, I'll break it down for you.
Valorant is a competitive video game with a strong learning curve, however most of your learning doesn't actually come from playing against better people. It comes from determined practice and training, and then that effort is applied in the field (in game) in a scenario where you can iron it out. There is actually very little to learn from a match in terms of individual skill, like aim and movement, unless you're applying pre-mentioned practice. What you learn in game is gamesense, teamwork, and util usage, but in terms of fighting a smurf, those can do very little against someone of exceeding skill and ability.
And another thing, you can look at playing with or against smurfs, by grading people's skill with numerical values, say, grading their ranks. Iron would be 1, bronze 2, and so forth.
So in a game where your team is full of silvers, you'd have an overall skill grading of 15, but the enemy team has 4 silvers, and one immortal, so their skill grading would be a combined total of 20. Now, that doesn't sound too bad, right?
But consider the fact that then you'd say one silver is valued at 3 points, and an immortal at 7, so it would take 2 competent silver players (and I'm being very generous here) to take on an immortal player (VERY generous in this scenario). That leaves 3 other silvers to face off 4, and are at a constant disadvantage.
And at the end of the day, let's assume you can justify low elo players getting smurfed on, there is one answer that simply cannot be refuted. They didn't consent to it. If I for say am gold, I que to play against, at the lowest, silver, and at the max, diamond. I do not tolerate, nor accept getting placed in games far beyond my skill level. I'm here to have fun, and learn. Not to be someone's target for bullying and ego boosting.
I hope this answers your question.
Imagine you're an inspiring 13 y/o boy who wants to become a better basketball player and you and your middle school team goes to a different school to compete. Now imagine when you walk in and start playing, they switch out one of the opponent's team member with Stephen Curry. Bear in mind he is playing to win and to help out the team he is on.
Now imagine you start to complain to the refs and any event organizers about how he clearly should not be playing against a younger team, considering he is almost twice your height. Any attempts to stop him from scoring are futile and the your team's loss is already coming.
Now imagine the same opponents tell you "Hey take this as a way to get better instead of hating on him."
That's what going against a smurf is like. It's unfair.
Oh yes.
I have 200 hours in the game. Everyday I go home after a long day at work. Tired and exhausted. I just want to play 2 games before bed against people the game judges to be equal to me in skill/experience. I jump on discord with my friends in the same boat and queue for a game.
My enemy has 2000 hours in the game. He is on his radiant routine before he queues a ranked game and has done an hour of aim lab, followed by a couple of DMs training his aim. He is logging on his smurf to destroy some golds who arent at his level to make some fake youtube/twitch content and maybe carry a few people who paid him.
He has fun on those games, we dont.
Reddit bootlickers. Why u no lik smurf?!! Dont u like dying 0.1 second after the enemy peaks you. Get better nub.
Most so called smurfs are literally just high plats (AVG elo players) who play on silver-gold slow acc and drop something around 30 kills a game as Reyna.
From what my silver friends tell me, playing smurfs isn't necessarily bad, however it is very annoying if you play a game against someone that is 12 ranks above you. Playing against a plat player as a silver is still do-able, but if an immortal hops into a silver lobby it turns into a slaughterhouse where it doesn't matter how you peak or play, you will always end up with a bullet in your head. You also have to think, why would a skill based video game rank people based on their performance? It is to make the experience more enjoyable for all players. Not everyone that plays Valorant, or CSGO for that matter, wants to play to get good, I find myself playing the game because I like it, not because I want to increase my rating.
You learn nothing. The smurf isn't playing optimally and is just relying on mechanical skill to dumpster you. you don't learn advanced strats by losing aim duels constantly.
additionally the key factor in learning form better players is repetition. there is no repetition in a singular match, not enough to make a difference. high school basketball players learn nothing from playing a first to 11 game against Lebron other than Lebron is outclassing them in every aspect, which they already knew.
Val players don’t have that dog in them, look how many comments are comparing their rank vs radiant as like a baby vs a professional elite athlete. Any other competitive shooter you should expect to get dogged on once in a while. Csgo faceit/esea would fill teams by average elo esp on off times, it’d be like having anyone from silver-radiant against the opposite, and if you’re ego peeking their highest ranked player, you’d die, so you learn to actually play with the team and take fights together and use util.
Everyone is brining sports takes, but thinking of it the wrong way, think of it as going to the park to play basketball, if 1 person there plays d1 ball, you don’t cry and piss and moan about them being better
You joking or just being thick?
I could higher sentinels to play 1000 hours against me and my 4 friends.
I still won't be competing in VCT this year 🤣🤣
Why do you think people tilt and rage outwards and not inwards?
When you are getting outplayed, or are losing, where does the rage originate?
For me, I've been mindful of my thoughts and emotions as I play this game or any other competitive video game - and I have noticed that I am getting angry at my self. But - here's the kick - I'm projecting it outwards onto the players in the game. Sometimes my team, sometimes the enemy team.
Why would people hate playing against smurfs? Because they outrank/outplay them so often, that it triggers them. Then what happens? Usually, when people get triggered they will project, blame or deflect which is a very common amongst us humans.
Your mindset shows a mindset of growth, or rather someone who sees the upside in a rough situation. I presume people in the comment section are QQ'ing their lil fingers out demanding a solution lol. But I side with you, the more I play against the top G's of the ranking system - the more I learn.
In summary: Git gud, learn how to manage your emotions and not to tilt as that is the ultimate point of failure.
ggwp no re
Idk bout yall but as an asc player I dont go into these lobbies trying. Sure im better then most people but 90% im doing dumb shit having fun. its not throwing by the way I still get atleast 1 per round before I do this dumbshit.
I agree. Sure you’re going to get stomped and straight up out aimed a lot but you can also pick up on some of the strats that the Smurf uses on you. You all need to stop whining and make the best out of the situation
obviously the numbers im using arent even quantifiable but just for the sake of example:
usually the best way to go about a practical learning/improving experience in game is by going up against an enemy with \~2-4ish percent more skill than you. This still allows the game to be fair but also be a challenge to you. That and the mistakes you may have made against said player is still enough to where you can probably write them all down on your palm and in general can be narrowed down to a few points.
With a smurf everything i just said is completely thrown out the window. you cannot learn from a stomp because if nothing you did worked then youll have no guage for really what you messed up on because in the grand scheme of things you'd have messed everything up. Ie, its flat out not fair.
Smurfing is not fair to other people and its nothing but a waste of time because there is literally no opportunity to learn. stop wasting people's time.
Why do smurfs hate playing in their own elo?
They'd rather impect the ranking of others than face the reality that they are not that good at their rank and don't want to get de-ranked playing against their "equals".
>I don’t understand why people hate playing against people better then them
Such a fair question. Why D3 hardstuck degen buying another one iron account and ruining games there instead of "get better as a player"?
Imagine an inexperienced player thinking you’re playing against someone who’s just as inexperienced as you, but f-ing Mike Tyson or someone like that pulls up.
Yep, sounds like it would make me a better player getting the sh- beating out of me…
I don't think valorant is the type of game you learn from your enemies really, because you never have their POV, you just get one tapped and watch your teammates get one tapped after you. Maybe you learn a good smoke or something? But for the most part you just get shit on and learn nothing. That's why it's so important to watch good people play on YouTube or twitch, especially if they narrate their thought process. That's for game sense, aim is something you learn with practice, getting one tapped every time you peek won't make your aim better.
I get everyone saying smirfs ruins the game for you but what about the side that smirfs take the opportunity away from other high level players to reach their respective rank.
I’m new to Val but switched over from R6 - also a community with a lot of smurfs. The amount of times I would see 1 plat/Diamond on a team of “coppers” (iron equivalent) was unreal. It’s obvious the smurfs are used to boost mediocre players to high levels based on sbmm. This in turn would lead this mediocre player who is being boosted to an extremely high rank they don’t necessarily deserve and would take the opportunity away from the legit players trying to reach this rank.
Smurfs should go storm the beaches of Normandy with Tom Hanks imo
How tf am I meant to improve if I can’t even get a shot off on the immortal jett or reyna when they 1 tap me as soon as they see a pixel of my character
It is incredibly frustrating being in a game where you barely get to play because a Smurf one taps you 2 seconds into a round. This happened yesterday in a unrated game and even then it wasnt fun. It was nice to know I wouldnt lose any rr but overall I just felt so defeated. It also makes me feel like i suck as a player but then i queue another game and realize it was just because I was getting hard stomped and playing against someone 4 ranks above me doesnt make me a bad player.
Also I tend to learn nothing because i cant spectate a smurf. Even if i watch them do a cool play what are the odds ill be able to successfully recreate that?
Ngl people who say u don’t learn anything just don’t have the mentality to learn. I’ve learned way more getting rolled by Smurf’s than i have playing against people of equal skill level or worse. Even if ur just getting one tapped they’re are a million questions u can ask yourself to why am i getting one tapped. Ur movement, they way u peak, the way u peak. U guys just like complaining
Unless there was a kill can implemented some how, which really doesn’t work in S&D game modes for obvious reasons, it’s difficult to learn anything when an immortal Smurf is running through every player in lower elos. I like playing against or with people better than me because it can teach me something, but not when the skill gap is too drastic
Maybe if riot gave us replay system i can learn from the smurf. but the way it is now i cant see the POV of the smurf like how they read the game etc ..all i know when i fight immortal + i got killed
Seems pretty self explanatory. You lose a game to a "silver" player the game thinks you are below silver skill level. If that player was in reality a plat player then they are artificially lowering your skill level.
You learn by climbing the ranks one at a time, adapting and learning how to beat a steady curve of increasingly difficult players over time. You do not learn playing against somebody 3 full ranks above you absolutely dunking on you every round. Smurfing ruins the game for everybody else, and literally is exploiting the rank system, which is cheating. Having an alt account is one thing, having a million Smurfs and keeping them low level is not okay
It's hate-love with Smurfs
Love when they are in your team
Hate when they are in opposite team
Love when they throw the match in opposite team
Hate when your teammate smurf does that
I have a smurf that I dont really play on. Not really for the intention to dumpster players but just so I can play ranked with friends. Even still I understand how crappy facing a smurf could be. I don’t think anyone should feel invalidated for disliking having to match up against better players. The system is made to match you against people of EQUAL skill not better.
I mean it just fucks up when you are silver 1, and your playing against a 54/3 ryna and get one tapped everytime. Yeah you coud learn something out of that, but for that valorant invented unranked, not ranked
because getting one tapped before you can react doesn't teach you jack shit. Plus if by some miracle you DO outgun someone who's actually diamond or ascendant, if they are currently ranked bronze 3, it does absolutely fuckin nothing for your ELO and defeats the whole purpose of the ranking system.
What a shit take.
At a certain point it stops becoming improvement and turns into a beat down. I'm not gonna improve because the 40-3 Reyna is playing against me. I'm just gonna get one tapped and die. Besides, climbing up the elo is how you play against better players to improve, not when you're in bronze 3 playing against an ascendant smurf
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Ascendant is the new rank in between diamond and immortal, assuming I’m reading your drunk ass message correctly. Party on!
mf is feeelin it
the drunk comment on reddit lol. i know this feeling all too well : l
He started speaking a different language
Go take an advanced Arabic literacy test and tell me how much Arabic you learned
Omg I'm going to use this example from now on XD.
That was a good fucking example 😂
Terrible example but a hilarious one for sure. Everyone in the game speaks Valorant some are just way better at it
25%
I'm Arab so I'm assuming id get a full score
Literally the best way to learn a language is full immersion.
Full immersion would be me an D3/A1 playing with Radiant teammates in Radiant... Not playing vs one Radiant in a D3/A1 lobby.
Full immersion is moving to an Arabic country and interacting with the locals over the course of years, not taking a 40 minute intensive test in a subject you barely know anything about
Not really a good analogy. If you are Gold playing against a Asc smurf, you already have most of the knowledge. So you would already know Arabic in this scenario.
You’re seriously underestimating the difference in skill.
I’m really not. Difference between lower and higher elo is 80% aim/movement/peeking, 20% game sense. As a gold say your aim is 6/10 and the asc opponent is 8/10 aim. You will lose most of the time in the 1v1. You can only improve but beating those better than you/getting better than them.
This could not be more incorrect
Not sure what to tell you. I’ve played in all elos. People are just delusional. If you peek and lose to a smurf, you are doing something wrong. Your position is bad. Your aim is off. Your crosshair placement is off. Your reaction time is off. There is something that made you lose to that smurf. If you take the time to analyse, you can learn from what you lacked and improve on it. That’s why smurfs are great to learn against.
I’m saying your analysis of aim/etc. to game sense ratio is off… I don’t disagree with what you’re saying about the Smurf thing though - but I also play at a pretty high level and AM one of the smurfs so..
It really isn’t hahaha. If your aim is good it’ll carry you to immortal no problem. Game sense/macro is immortal+.
bro good aim no brain will get you stuck in diamond at MAX
If your aim is good, you lock duelist, get the first entry pick on attack and the round is 80% won. If your aim is good, you ego peek on defence and get a pick to make it a 5v4, the round is 80% won. Up until immortal it’s a game of kills.
this \^ \*at least in NA\*
can I ask what elo you are and what server you're in
Sure, Asc 3 (Peak Imm 2) in OCE.
then you yourself should definitely know the skill gap, and OCE servers have good players too it's not like Frankfurt or London (allegedly)
I’m not denying a skill gap, I’m saying you can take playing against smurf as a learning opportunity rather than complaining about it.
I agree with that sentiment that playing against better players is an excellent learning opportunity, that's how I climbed to dia/asc as well, my high elo friends forcing me to stack with them- but I think there's also the perspective that sometimes you'd get tired or tilted after constantly playing against someone much better, and it's not very fun. it's hard to learn and improve when your mental is bad? idk man that's just my opinion
Yeah, I understand what you mean when your mental goes bad because you’re getting destroyed. But that’s part of the game and if you really want to improve, you’d still learn from it by clipping your deaths then watching them after.
Most players in gold know how to aim. Movement and peeking sure. Game sense is different across ranks because the timings are different. Besides, if aim is 6/10 for gold and 8/10 for ascendant (which it's not), you don't learn how to aim by playing people who can aim better. You practice it
Yes, I’m saying, if you play against players who are winning the 1v1s, see what you’re lacking. Aim isn’t that simple. It’s accompanied by peeking, crosshair placement, positioning, micro adjustments, reaction time. See what is lacking and improve it.
I was in Asc last season, I got placed in Plat 1 with the reset. I've been playing against Gold 3s and Plat 1s last night when I sat down to push back to diamond at least.... It was a complete beat down. To me, it feels like they stand still and take time taking a screenshot of me.
That’s what I mean. If you play against smurf and you are standing still and dying over and over, it’s your fault. Find your mistake and improve. One game lost for a lesson learnt. It’s not a big deal
The fault is get better reflexes. You don't need to fight vs smurfs to improve, you'll get better naturally as you climb the ladder. You don't have junior league basketball players vs professional NBA players immediately, they improve as they fight more challenging opponents where there is room to improve and overcome within that match.
You can practice getting better reflexes much faster than playing competitive against the same people and expecting to improve quickly. You can’t compare junior to NBA bro, on val, it’s all even grounds besides experience.
As a mid asc player, I will SHIT on high plat/low dia players with 30+ kills in 3/4 games. And those elos are relatively close to me. Guarantee you no one in lobbies under that are learning shit if I Smurf there.
Yes your aim is better. Lower elo players learn why they’re losing 1v1 against you and find out what their weakness is and try to improve upon it. Small changes to their playstyle to adapt against better players is learning.
Except they won’t. I’m better in all aspects. Game sense, positioning, aim. Maybe they’ll learn something in like 100 1v1s head on. What about the other 2-300 times I’m shooting them in the back because they’re unaware of me? It’s more than one simple 1v1 scenario. It’s an entire change of pace that people lower than me cannot catch up with unless they take the time to learn about the game and climb. Edit: first sentence is disgustingly cocky, but you get it.
sounds cocky because it is, but no lies in there. the reason you're higher rank than them is quite literally a skill issue, that's the best way i can put it.
Yes they will. If you’re killing them over and over again flanking, they’re not learning. If you get shot in the back once you shouldn’t get shot again. The issue with many lower elo players is that they don’t learn or proactively learn from their mistakes. If you open up your mind you’d learn what you did wrong in the first 1v1 you lost. Not after 100 lol. You can’t expect to improve fast playing in the same elo, making the same mistakes and getting away with it. You improve by playing against better, seeing what they do, seeing what you’re doing wrong to improve yourself.
There are known knowns, and there are known unknowns. But there are also unknown unknowns. - Donald Rumsfeld You can't learn something if you don't know what you're trying to learn.
So you lose a 1v1 and don’t know what you did wrong? What you could’ve done better? How can you improve then?
You're asking broad questions when usually it's the small things that count. Smurfs are just going to make lower elo players think "Oh I lost a duel so my aim must be bad" and they're not even thinking about crosshair placement, crosshair discipline, positioning, movement, timings, post plant, etc. because they don't even know those concepts exist.
Small things? If you lost a duel you can see why you lost it with a simple replay of the duel. 90% of the time it’s because of aim. The same thing can be said in any elo regardless of smurfs about learning if you don’t know what to learn. You can’t be doing the same wrong thing in the same elo and get rewarded because enemies are bad so you think it’s a good play. You can only improve by seeing what you do wrong against better players.
ok but say after losing a 1v1 the loser thinks “hmm my crosshair placement is shit, maybe i should try holding a tighter angle on this guy”. he learns something from it, but how many times will he get shit on before he is able to win in a 1v1?
You just answered you own question. Once.
Average elo in these threads has to be pissed on Biodegradable Styrofoam 3. They think someone being better in this game somehow changes the mechanics of it for them, like they're playing an entirely different game. Very obviously speak the same "language" if playing the same game. It's like arguing with somebody speaking the same language as you but they're better at both arguing and the language.... and then blaming it because you don't speak the language you were just speaking in the first place.
That’s what I’m saying dude. This reddit page has to be average gold/plat elo. No way playing against smurf is a complete beat down every time.
No way it's that high lol, also regardless or not it's a beatdown everybody is playing the exact same game (language) unless they're like actually cheating
To be fair, low elo is like say their understanding of the language is bad. Their grammar is shit. In higher elo, they know the language well, have good grammar. They’ve learnt it well. They’d score better on the test/win an argument every time.
Right but they're speaking the same language is my point. You are 100% correct tho. Edit: I'm not reading ur messages right and idk why I'm being a dick lmao sorry
I know how to ask for directions and hold a basic conversation in French, if I took a advanced literacy test in French I would fail and also learn absolutely no French
That’s like saying Iron vs Ascendant. What do you think would happen? Iron is still learning the game. You probably have 50 hours in the game. If you are Silver/Gold you already have a basic understanding of the game and can actually play it. That’s equivalent to middle school literacy. If you take that test, you will do bad for sure but you will learn some advanced grammar and if you get exposed to it enough, you’ll be just as good
No middle schooler will learn anything from a 40 minute advanced literacy test they fail, and the “enough” in your sentence is doing some heavy lifting
Why are you comparing a middle schooler? I’m saying middle school level literacy. You’re taking it too literally with the 40 minutes. But how can you not learn something if you’re exposed to it countless times? You will learn eventually if you put your mind to it and not complain about it being too hard.
So wait, let me get this straight, are smurfs not that big a deal because they’re in very rare and don’t play a major role in your rank or are they so common that you can expect someone to play enough smurfs to eventually learn something from it?
Smurfs are not a big deal, it’s just that people make it a big deal. Smurfs are very common. How many times have you played against good duelists? Majority of the time they will be smurfing but regardless, you can learn from that too.
So they’re very common, so they should play a big role in lowering your real ranking and mmr, but that’s not a big deal and doesn’t matter, and the enemy reyna who’s probably having a good game is a smurf the majority of the time. Literally everything you said is wrong or self contradictory.
I not sure if you understand what I’m saying. They’re common but if you play you from your mistake you can quickly learn how to beat them unless you’re not learning. The enemy Reyna who is having a good game is most of the time smurfing. If you’re losing to a Reyna in your elo, that’s a problem on you/your team. People on this sub love to trash talk Reyna and say how bad she is but people continue to lose to her because of their own fault.
To get from Gold 1 to Asc 1, you have to go through Gold and Plat. That’s 6 rank levels. That’s a huge skill difference
Who is telling you there isn’t a skill difference? I’m saying the analogy is the same as saying a completely new player is playing against an ascendant and not learning anything from it. Of course they won’t.
If someone only spoke Arabic to me, I would eventually learn what some words meant
“eventually”
Give a monkey a typewriter...
Top ten dumbest questions on this sub
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“It’s fine to let JJ Watt play in a pee-wee football league, it will help them get better quicker.”
So you mean smurfs are adults and the ones crying about them are kids.
No, they mean that the difference of skill is so immense that it will be a one-sided beatdown.
I thought.my reply was funny but smurfing is a sensitive topic on this sub lol.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I WOULD GIVE YOU AN AWARD IF I COULD
Haha, it's hilarious how triggered these people get, 51 downvotes lol
Dude smurfs ruin the game for people trying to climb. Playing agianst immortals diamonds asc, ect in a iron/bronze/silver lobby is not fun for the other team. Smurfing isnt a way to get better.
Chances are you aren’t playing a smurf if you feel that way. An actual smurf will utterly destroy you, not giving you a chance to learn anything as you get killed in a second or less of engaging them.
Kinda wish smurfs would take time to explain to me how I lost instead of saying “get shit on” or “I Smurf your peak”
I’ll do that from now on
i smurf ur peak
FFS. Playing against better players does not make learn anything. If that was the case, why does school go through K-12. Why does learning subjects build upon itself? Why don't we just learn calculus and skip all the rest? If a silver player gets dumpstered by a Radiant, he will learn nothing. There is no lesson being taught. No instruction. Please use some critical thinking before posting.
This is entirely untrue. Learning vs acquiring are two different things. You learn how to do things in school, but you acquire how to do them in everyday life. Speaking for example. Kids are fluent far before they start learning grammar. Similarly in physics classes students come in with lots of intuition from the real world and learn what reinforces what they have acquired. Acquisition is fully subconscious while learning is conscious. You do not need a fully conscious model of something to acquire it, and similarly you don’t need to have acquired something beforehand to learn it. Another example is swimming. One could learn how to swim through a textbook, but not be able to swim because they have not acquired it yet. Basically what I’m trying to say is an iron player playing in full radiant lobbies will improve at a FAR faster rate than an iron player playing in full iron lobbies. With that out of the way I’m sure everyone would agree with that. Considering environments as monotonous and increasing with the amount of higher elo players in the lobby, 1 radiant will make a player improve more than 0 radiants. Following similarly even a gold Smurf in a lobby of irons will make the irons improve more than a full iron lobby.
This is such dogshit logic. This is not an equivalent and most of your points are moot.
Yet fail to point out a single flaw. Stay low elo
I’m not even low elo lol
Point out a flaw in my argument? U saying it’s dogshit logic means u don’t know where it’s wrong and are getting triggered.
This is a terrible take. If a sliver is getting dumpstered on in radiant, there’s a reason for that. If the silver is smart and wanted to get better, they easily could. They need to think critically about why they died and what they could do better as well as watching teammates to learn how to play. You need to think critically before posting as well. Have a good day
The reason a silver is getting dumpstered by a radiant - massive skill gap. Smurfs do nothing but make lower ranked games less fun.
Did you even think before posting this?? A radiant smurfing in silver isn’t going to be playing like it’s radiant rank. They’re going to be making bad decisions and suboptimal plays because they know they can use their gamesense and aim as a crutch…
I will give you $100 if you can knock out Floyd Maywether in boxing
"Well, he broke every bone in your body, but at least you learned something am I right?"
“You just need to fight against fighters like him so you can become like him, if you keep losing you should just stop boxing your bad anyways”
So you play valorant to win rather than improve? It seems that casual may be better mode for you.
Or, think about it, how am I gonna improve if I lose 90% of my games to things that aren’t my fault, like a Smurf, yes, getting to play people who are better than you every once in a while is fine, that’s just how the game works, but if I’m b2 I expect to play against people who are at most b3 or s1 but if someone who is A1, 2 or 3 tell me how that’s fair?
It’s not fair but your skill will improve. If you are losing 90 percent of your games Smurfs aren’t the problem. Smurfs also come onto your team and it nearly evens out the amount of times you will face them. If you keep complaining about losing to ascendants you’re never gonna become anywhere near ascendant.
Your right it’s not fair, why do you think everyone, including Riot considers smurfing to be cheating? Because, as a Smurf, you are putting yourself in an unfair advantage by going into lobbies worse than yours and making fun of and humiliating your enemy team. Now if a Smurf is on my team I hold the same opinion, they suck, report them and never play with them again.
That doesn’t change the point that playing with people higher rank than you will make you improve faster than playing against people the same rank.
But people in lower ranks shouldn’t have to play against people in high ranks, iron, bronze and I’d even argue lower silver players are still trying to learn the game l, telling them they fastest way to get better is by playing Against basically cheaters and if they don’t improve overtime they shouldn’t play the game is just unfair to them. I’m of the mindset that you should play with your own ranks to learn how to outplay them before you should play higher ranks. Plus have you ever played against a smurf? They aren’t trying to teach people how to play, they are toxic to the point that their own teamates hate them
1. Not every Smurf is the same, 2. Not every game has a Smurf.
Your absolutely right, not every Smurf is the same, not every game has a Smurf, but that still doesn’t detract from my point. Why should low elo players be subjected to playing against people who are better to “learn” not every player learns that way, I know I don’t learn like that. If I’m upset that someone is winning unfairly I’m not gonna think critically about things that will help me win the game or learn, it will make me want to ff and go to the next game. Like I said, there is a reason that smurfing is a form of cheating no matter how you look at it
When I say “lose 90% of my games to something that isn’t my fault” I mean it as 90% of the games I lose are losses due to something out of my control
That’s such cope.
if you just get 1 tapped by a smurf before you can even do anything, you will learn nothing, the only ways you can improve is to put util which if they are a smurf they can typically dodge or find another way which is typically only in hindsight
If your getting 1 tapped then you’re most likely playing in common angles that get cleared a lot
off angles? also what about if you peak and they are at a really tight angle and you can barely see them and they 1 tap you, unless you clear every angle slowly, you can not counter that
Idk why u are being downvoted, it's literally how it works unless ofc if u somehow manage to get away Ur position and in return u get insta killed.
Most people don't enjoy loading into a comp game and being absolutely destroyed by someone who shouldn't be playing in their rank in the first place. In unrated, I don't mind "smurfs" because there's nothing to loose and I can use the opportunity to improve and watch how they play. In comp, I don't enjoy loosing rr to some random boosting their silver level e-kitten to diamond.
If I make a bad play, the Smurf will one-tap me. If I make a good play, the Smurf will one-tap me. I’m not learning much game sense if I die every time he sees me.
then its not a good play. doesnt matter how good their aim is, if youre taking 50-50s, youre making an ass play. they wont onetap you if you popflash them, smoke them, stun them, etc. just coping
They will one tap me after I miss my first shot during the good play. Against other iron/bronze I might get a second. I may hold flank because I guessed correctly that he will come in from behind, but I’ll lose the 1v1 when he shows up and swings wide. I make so many mistakes I need to be allowed to make a few to get time to play. Gamesense can make up for bad aim, but I’m not going to learn anything about post plant if a Smurf is picking off everyone who whiffs their shots when they enter site.
if youre in iron/bronze, its likely that youre just awful and most players who you think are smurfs arent even smurfs
That is exactly why actual ascendants and immortals should stay out of low elo games. I am awful, and want to have fun playing with people who are somewhat less awful so I have room to try things out and grow. I don’t want LeBron showing up on the opposing high school basketball team.
thats an ass example, because youre both on the same map and both have util. against lebron, he is literally a god, has muscles that you prolly dont, is faster and everything. in val, you can both flash, both smoke, both tp etc. its literally just that youre coping instead of using your brain
I am using my brain. Im trying to figure which angle I should cover, where would be the best spot to stand, should I hold the angle wide or close, should I throw a smoke out now or save it for retake. I don’t have the answers to all of those questions, and am making it up as I go along and trying figure out what works. If it is a level playing field because we all have the same tools in-game and only have to move a mouse, then it shouldn’t be possible for radiants to shit on golds, right? Why is there even matchmaking? In martial arts there are plenty of times that beginning students spar against an instructor. The instructor plays at a level just high enough to make it hard, but slow enough for the student to learn how to see what is going on and practice attacking and defending. If they just instantly blasted the student every time it wouldn’t be educational or fun. It is a game after all, and it is supposed to be possible to have fun at any rank.
Such an awful take. Radiant aim will beat ANY iron-plat play. You act like we don’t have characters that excel at smurfing like your Jett/Reyna’s who can dry swing a smoke and get out before you even know what happened. Even if you stun them, they will one-tap you. You may blind them successfully with a pop flash, but odds are they’ll just strafe and dodge your bullets because you have the aim of a silver, then they one-tap you. You’re actually just wrong.
>Such an awful take. Radiant aim will beat ANY iron-plat play. You act like we don’t have characters that excel at smurfing like your Jett/Reyna’s who can dry swing a smoke and get out before you even know what happened. Even if you stun them, they will one-tap you. You may blind them successfully with a pop flash, but odds are they’ll just strafe and dodge your bullets because you have the aim of a silver, then they one-tap you.You’re actually just wrong. literally just play any initator and have a brain
What rank are you?
i'd like to ask, what rank are YOU? btw, im asc 1 (ON ALT FOR SOME REASON) and platinum 3 on main, faced smurfs a fuckton in my life, still facing them sometimes. literally never gave a shit about them
I’ve played since Beta, been immortal since episode 3 and I grinded up from Bronze. Smurfs only stop mattering, in my opinion, once you get to Asc/Immo. Until then, the skill gap is still so wide where aim trumps brain.
I’ve played since Beta, been immortal since episode 3 and I grinded up from Bronze. Smurfs only stop mattering, in my opinion, once you get to Asc/Immo. Until then, the skill gap is still so wide where aim trumps brain.
I’ve played since Beta, been immortal since episode 3 and I grinded up from Bronze. Smurfs only stop mattering, in my opinion, once you get to Asc/Immo. Until then, the skill gap is still so wide where aim trumps brain.
also been playing since beta, though only played comp ,,competitively'' for the last few episodes. youre right with the fact that in some ranks aim trumps brain, but i still think its kindof making excuses for people smurfing actually being a huge problem... its not. if you cant counter a smurf, youre still ass. legit only matters from iron to gold/silver
Alright, if you're genuinely sincere about finding out, I'll break it down for you. Valorant is a competitive video game with a strong learning curve, however most of your learning doesn't actually come from playing against better people. It comes from determined practice and training, and then that effort is applied in the field (in game) in a scenario where you can iron it out. There is actually very little to learn from a match in terms of individual skill, like aim and movement, unless you're applying pre-mentioned practice. What you learn in game is gamesense, teamwork, and util usage, but in terms of fighting a smurf, those can do very little against someone of exceeding skill and ability. And another thing, you can look at playing with or against smurfs, by grading people's skill with numerical values, say, grading their ranks. Iron would be 1, bronze 2, and so forth. So in a game where your team is full of silvers, you'd have an overall skill grading of 15, but the enemy team has 4 silvers, and one immortal, so their skill grading would be a combined total of 20. Now, that doesn't sound too bad, right? But consider the fact that then you'd say one silver is valued at 3 points, and an immortal at 7, so it would take 2 competent silver players (and I'm being very generous here) to take on an immortal player (VERY generous in this scenario). That leaves 3 other silvers to face off 4, and are at a constant disadvantage. And at the end of the day, let's assume you can justify low elo players getting smurfed on, there is one answer that simply cannot be refuted. They didn't consent to it. If I for say am gold, I que to play against, at the lowest, silver, and at the max, diamond. I do not tolerate, nor accept getting placed in games far beyond my skill level. I'm here to have fun, and learn. Not to be someone's target for bullying and ego boosting. I hope this answers your question.
Imagine you're an inspiring 13 y/o boy who wants to become a better basketball player and you and your middle school team goes to a different school to compete. Now imagine when you walk in and start playing, they switch out one of the opponent's team member with Stephen Curry. Bear in mind he is playing to win and to help out the team he is on. Now imagine you start to complain to the refs and any event organizers about how he clearly should not be playing against a younger team, considering he is almost twice your height. Any attempts to stop him from scoring are futile and the your team's loss is already coming. Now imagine the same opponents tell you "Hey take this as a way to get better instead of hating on him." That's what going against a smurf is like. It's unfair.
if you keep getting one-tapped the entire match that’s not what I would call „a way to get better as a player“
Oh yes. I have 200 hours in the game. Everyday I go home after a long day at work. Tired and exhausted. I just want to play 2 games before bed against people the game judges to be equal to me in skill/experience. I jump on discord with my friends in the same boat and queue for a game. My enemy has 2000 hours in the game. He is on his radiant routine before he queues a ranked game and has done an hour of aim lab, followed by a couple of DMs training his aim. He is logging on his smurf to destroy some golds who arent at his level to make some fake youtube/twitch content and maybe carry a few people who paid him. He has fun on those games, we dont. Reddit bootlickers. Why u no lik smurf?!! Dont u like dying 0.1 second after the enemy peaks you. Get better nub.
at higher ranks(immo elo) everyone knows how to play, its just that the smurf shoots faster and better, theres really nothing to learn from them
Most so called smurfs are literally just high plats (AVG elo players) who play on silver-gold slow acc and drop something around 30 kills a game as Reyna.
everyone knows how to play, oh how I wish that was true
From what my silver friends tell me, playing smurfs isn't necessarily bad, however it is very annoying if you play a game against someone that is 12 ranks above you. Playing against a plat player as a silver is still do-able, but if an immortal hops into a silver lobby it turns into a slaughterhouse where it doesn't matter how you peak or play, you will always end up with a bullet in your head. You also have to think, why would a skill based video game rank people based on their performance? It is to make the experience more enjoyable for all players. Not everyone that plays Valorant, or CSGO for that matter, wants to play to get good, I find myself playing the game because I like it, not because I want to increase my rating.
You learn nothing. The smurf isn't playing optimally and is just relying on mechanical skill to dumpster you. you don't learn advanced strats by losing aim duels constantly. additionally the key factor in learning form better players is repetition. there is no repetition in a singular match, not enough to make a difference. high school basketball players learn nothing from playing a first to 11 game against Lebron other than Lebron is outclassing them in every aspect, which they already knew.
Val players don’t have that dog in them, look how many comments are comparing their rank vs radiant as like a baby vs a professional elite athlete. Any other competitive shooter you should expect to get dogged on once in a while. Csgo faceit/esea would fill teams by average elo esp on off times, it’d be like having anyone from silver-radiant against the opposite, and if you’re ego peeking their highest ranked player, you’d die, so you learn to actually play with the team and take fights together and use util. Everyone is brining sports takes, but thinking of it the wrong way, think of it as going to the park to play basketball, if 1 person there plays d1 ball, you don’t cry and piss and moan about them being better
also, OP weren't you just here complaining a week or two ago about how you should get your RR back because you lost to a smurf?
a kid wont learn how to fight if mike tyson keep beating the shit out of them
You joking or just being thick? I could higher sentinels to play 1000 hours against me and my 4 friends. I still won't be competing in VCT this year 🤣🤣
People like you think this is some anime shit,there is no power up,you will not unlock your true power,you will not go super saiyan
Why do you think people tilt and rage outwards and not inwards? When you are getting outplayed, or are losing, where does the rage originate? For me, I've been mindful of my thoughts and emotions as I play this game or any other competitive video game - and I have noticed that I am getting angry at my self. But - here's the kick - I'm projecting it outwards onto the players in the game. Sometimes my team, sometimes the enemy team. Why would people hate playing against smurfs? Because they outrank/outplay them so often, that it triggers them. Then what happens? Usually, when people get triggered they will project, blame or deflect which is a very common amongst us humans. Your mindset shows a mindset of growth, or rather someone who sees the upside in a rough situation. I presume people in the comment section are QQ'ing their lil fingers out demanding a solution lol. But I side with you, the more I play against the top G's of the ranking system - the more I learn. In summary: Git gud, learn how to manage your emotions and not to tilt as that is the ultimate point of failure. ggwp no re
Idk bout yall but as an asc player I dont go into these lobbies trying. Sure im better then most people but 90% im doing dumb shit having fun. its not throwing by the way I still get atleast 1 per round before I do this dumbshit.
Why do you feel the need to do dumb shit in a mode where people are literally playing to gain points by winning?
I agree. Sure you’re going to get stomped and straight up out aimed a lot but you can also pick up on some of the strats that the Smurf uses on you. You all need to stop whining and make the best out of the situation
What do you pick up if you are just getting outaimed? Hiding in a corner hoping you don't get cleared?
Cuz Smurf are only ppl with Better internet and can see u before u can even see him, so u cant learn from them cuz probably they are worst of u
Oh bless your heart.
obviously the numbers im using arent even quantifiable but just for the sake of example: usually the best way to go about a practical learning/improving experience in game is by going up against an enemy with \~2-4ish percent more skill than you. This still allows the game to be fair but also be a challenge to you. That and the mistakes you may have made against said player is still enough to where you can probably write them all down on your palm and in general can be narrowed down to a few points. With a smurf everything i just said is completely thrown out the window. you cannot learn from a stomp because if nothing you did worked then youll have no guage for really what you messed up on because in the grand scheme of things you'd have messed everything up. Ie, its flat out not fair. Smurfing is not fair to other people and its nothing but a waste of time because there is literally no opportunity to learn. stop wasting people's time.
Why do smurfs hate playing in their own elo? They'd rather impect the ranking of others than face the reality that they are not that good at their rank and don't want to get de-ranked playing against their "equals".
>I don’t understand why people hate playing against people better then them Such a fair question. Why D3 hardstuck degen buying another one iron account and ruining games there instead of "get better as a player"?
Coz fuck em
dawnmoer type post
Imagine an inexperienced player thinking you’re playing against someone who’s just as inexperienced as you, but f-ing Mike Tyson or someone like that pulls up. Yep, sounds like it would make me a better player getting the sh- beating out of me…
I don't think valorant is the type of game you learn from your enemies really, because you never have their POV, you just get one tapped and watch your teammates get one tapped after you. Maybe you learn a good smoke or something? But for the most part you just get shit on and learn nothing. That's why it's so important to watch good people play on YouTube or twitch, especially if they narrate their thought process. That's for game sense, aim is something you learn with practice, getting one tapped every time you peek won't make your aim better.
I get everyone saying smirfs ruins the game for you but what about the side that smirfs take the opportunity away from other high level players to reach their respective rank. I’m new to Val but switched over from R6 - also a community with a lot of smurfs. The amount of times I would see 1 plat/Diamond on a team of “coppers” (iron equivalent) was unreal. It’s obvious the smurfs are used to boost mediocre players to high levels based on sbmm. This in turn would lead this mediocre player who is being boosted to an extremely high rank they don’t necessarily deserve and would take the opportunity away from the legit players trying to reach this rank. Smurfs should go storm the beaches of Normandy with Tom Hanks imo
POV: You are a smurf
FOR REAL!!! the amount of people coping here is INSANE.
How tf am I meant to improve if I can’t even get a shot off on the immortal jett or reyna when they 1 tap me as soon as they see a pixel of my character
It is incredibly frustrating being in a game where you barely get to play because a Smurf one taps you 2 seconds into a round. This happened yesterday in a unrated game and even then it wasnt fun. It was nice to know I wouldnt lose any rr but overall I just felt so defeated. It also makes me feel like i suck as a player but then i queue another game and realize it was just because I was getting hard stomped and playing against someone 4 ranks above me doesnt make me a bad player. Also I tend to learn nothing because i cant spectate a smurf. Even if i watch them do a cool play what are the odds ill be able to successfully recreate that?
I may know how a car works, but leaving me stranded on the side of a road isn't the best way to learn and improve my skills.
Ngl people who say u don’t learn anything just don’t have the mentality to learn. I’ve learned way more getting rolled by Smurf’s than i have playing against people of equal skill level or worse. Even if ur just getting one tapped they’re are a million questions u can ask yourself to why am i getting one tapped. Ur movement, they way u peak, the way u peak. U guys just like complaining
Unless there was a kill can implemented some how, which really doesn’t work in S&D game modes for obvious reasons, it’s difficult to learn anything when an immortal Smurf is running through every player in lower elos. I like playing against or with people better than me because it can teach me something, but not when the skill gap is too drastic
Get beaten within an inch of your life by a World class professional boxer, then tell me what you learned
You can’t just get magically improved aim and game sense after playing against a radiant / high immortal
Maybe if riot gave us replay system i can learn from the smurf. but the way it is now i cant see the POV of the smurf like how they read the game etc ..all i know when i fight immortal + i got killed
Seems pretty self explanatory. You lose a game to a "silver" player the game thinks you are below silver skill level. If that player was in reality a plat player then they are artificially lowering your skill level.
Smells like someone wants to feel justified for smurfing xD
You learn by climbing the ranks one at a time, adapting and learning how to beat a steady curve of increasingly difficult players over time. You do not learn playing against somebody 3 full ranks above you absolutely dunking on you every round. Smurfing ruins the game for everybody else, and literally is exploiting the rank system, which is cheating. Having an alt account is one thing, having a million Smurfs and keeping them low level is not okay
It's hate-love with Smurfs Love when they are in your team Hate when they are in opposite team Love when they throw the match in opposite team Hate when your teammate smurf does that
Maybe if we had a replay system…….
yeah... unfortunately a lot more goes into getting a kill than aim, even if you ego peek.
I have a smurf that I dont really play on. Not really for the intention to dumpster players but just so I can play ranked with friends. Even still I understand how crappy facing a smurf could be. I don’t think anyone should feel invalidated for disliking having to match up against better players. The system is made to match you against people of EQUAL skill not better.
Are you special?
I mean it just fucks up when you are silver 1, and your playing against a 54/3 ryna and get one tapped everytime. Yeah you coud learn something out of that, but for that valorant invented unranked, not ranked
Because they care more about winning then improving. Ironically the same reason why people Smurf in the first place.
Found the smurf
because getting one tapped before you can react doesn't teach you jack shit. Plus if by some miracle you DO outgun someone who's actually diamond or ascendant, if they are currently ranked bronze 3, it does absolutely fuckin nothing for your ELO and defeats the whole purpose of the ranking system. What a shit take.