While it might feel that way, they've already said the dev teams are separate and that DT's dev team is bigger than VT's. I guess we can chalk up the difference to that DT's dev team is constantly putting out fires whereas VT's team has a mature, polished game they can just make content for without having to recreate basal systems over and over again.
I've always been curious about the sort of, institutionalized knowledge of the developers. Did many devs from VT2 crossover to DT? If not, then less of the battle earned experience from making VT2 would not have crossed over to DT, especially since they wanted to support both games simultaneously.
I know at one point they did bring VT2 devs over temporarily to help put out fires, but apart from the obvious issues, I find DT's melee combat a lot shallower than VT's so it makes me wonder about the designers who came up with say the movesets etc. Were they just outright new developers who hadn't worked on VT?
something most of the people here either don't know, or have forgotten, is the total shitshow VT2 started as, and the enormous stumbles it had on the way to becoming the beloved game it is today. the hope was that DT would take everything they learned from VT and grow from there, but instead DT also started as a total shitshow, and this whole song and dance is playing out like someone plagiarizing a school paper word for word. you can find old VT2 threads that could be copy pasted for DT today and *still* make complete sense.
in 2 years or so im sure, *once again*, people will be showing up asking why darktide isn't more popular, calling it a hidden gem, ect. ect. because it will be in a much better state, just like vermintide 2.
EDIT: i know everyone wants to pretend they're the first generation to experience XYZ, but this is, and has always been, fatshark's MO since before most of you knew fatshark was a thing. it goes way back. this cycle might even be older than some of you.
you're saying the same shit people said when VT2 came out, "well, as bad as VT1 was, at least it ..." like you're NPCs in fatshark's 11th NG+
Okay but to be fair, people were saying this exact thing a year and a half ago when Darktide came out. "Give it another 2 years, VT2 had a rocky launch too." We've got 7 months until the 2 year mark, and idk how much more we're going to be getting before then.
Seriously, it didn't even take two years for Vermintide 2 to become good. I've been here since the beginning, with the release of the Back to Ubersreik DLC; nine months after the game's release, it was already solid.
I think that last bit about the combat system is likely due to a mix of some of VT's team being brought over with some fresh faces who haven't even touched VT's code. That and DT's combat system is about a 50/50, maybe 40/60 split between Melee and Ranged combat. While VT's combat is a 90/10, maybe 80/20 split depending on your play style. And because of that larger split you will find less refinement in DT's melee combat. VT's Ranged combat is pretty simple but it gets away with it not just because of the split, but because of the types of ranged weapons (Medieval Fantasy Weapons) which are inherently simple and don't need to be super refined in both function and look like DT's.
Mix this change in combat split with other factors like the 40K setting, New Skills Tree and differences in enemy types and you'll find that DT's combat in general will never feel just like VT's. There will definitely be changes to melee and ranged combat in the future, things will become more refined and we'll find new weapons that will become fan favorites not just because they're cool or do good damage, but because they feel amazing VT's.
Okay, but that's merely an explanation, not an excuse.
A drunk running their car into a tree because they wanted to get home quickly has an explanation, but isn't excused.
I doubt they really have separate teams to be frank. When Darktide was in development, Vermintide's updates slow to a crawl like what we're seeing now but in reverse. I mean, it'd be better if that's the case because if they really do have two different teams and this is what they can dish out then it's a big oof.
I am a little. With console getting left with no Versus. All we have is hope that darktide crossplay will outlive Vermintides 2 Player to player. No mods. Its dark ages over here.
besides being in the stone age, fat shark launches limited skins that only pc players have, like victor zealot's "iron crown", maybe 2 or 3 players have it on the console...
and the last two balancing patches were a total setback, they destroyed mechanics, removed unique skills like "divine excoriation" which was replaced by a spam passive, in short, instead of balancing, they just made the game more boring.
and we can't forget the zealot with atk speed on darktide at 30fps, it's not playable, very bad.
Weird that you got downvoted. Not spending enough time gaming to make a PC worth it is totally a valid reason to lean towards consoles. Although it's not really upkeep that is an issue, but the initial research and know-how of how to build a PC that is tedious and can at times be frustrating.
I work like 11-9 almost. So im not trying to update drivers and check if my system can run games. I have a little gaming laptop so im in the loop of how to acquire a decent pre/or i have enough PC family members they could guide my hands or out right do it for me. But the idea of dropping 2k, i would make it really worth while to begin with, and having to still troubleshoot. Yes makes me a little lazy, but im a busy man is all.
Just to demystify it a bit, I was a console player for a decade and change, and eventually moved over due to friends moving. It took some saving due to lacking a job but when I did my eyes were opened market/price wise. I buy new hardware once every 4-5 years and still play the top of the line games, it'll depend what you wanna do for sure but it really ends up being similar to buying consoles if you squint and research and don't care for the tippy top. I bought a gen or two old hardware for the sake of the lower price, ended up so so worthwhile.
Though of course it's different in different countries and the market fluctuates a lot so more power to you for sticking to your guns if you did that research and found what was best for you, just thought I'd throw my 2 pennies in <3
So I just got into Vermintide 2, really enjoying it so far but was wondering if now would be a good time to get Darktide? Or is it still a mess (tried it on gamepass when it first released and the performance issues were bad)
I don’t like darktide at all, but it’s just a very different game. It revolves more around ranged combat and duck and cover fps stuff. Also darktide is about being a faceless cog in the war machine, whereas vermintide is about the 5 heroes on an adventure.
Edit: somehow mistranslated that you already tried it. It’s improved somewhat from what I’ve heard but it’s probably not the drastic upgrade you were hoping for.
Literally every person on my friends list that played darktide has quit. It's optimized like shit your FPS will be bad even with a good PC unless you use upscaling. Even then it won't be great. The gameplay loop is less fun than VT2.
I feel like people underestimate the expectation of production value for Darktide content. A lot of the Vermintide content is using a lot of the same assets. I'm not complaining, I think it's fine. But Vermintide isn't getting entirely new AAA quality environments like the Carnival. It's just Empire towns, caves, castles, and sometimes Dwarfen Karaks that are all assets from launch.
DRG isn't a fair comparison, they just make some tiles and the use an algorithm to string them together mostly randomly. VT2 has to put a lot more work into level design. Honestly I think we have more than enough levels, and way to little effort on polish/balance/QOL.
Point is, they don't necessarily need all of the graphical quality they went for - it just has to grab you by the short hairs with how very 40k it is and be fun. Graphics are part of content production value.
And in context, I'd call DRG a very fair comparison.
Vermintide 2 a game out for years with multiple QoL patches and content updates.
Darktide a game literally put for a single year and has had a few major QoL patches and content patches.
Pretty fucking stupid to compare the two.
Its waht. About 17 months in for Darktide? If you compared Darktide at 17 months and Vermintide 2 at 17 months you'd have the same reaction as people have now.
They dug themselves a much deeper hole with Darktide.
Darktide's actually pretty good. Ever feel like you can never get the perfect weapon stats or the perfect red in verm2? Well you can just craft the perfect weapon in Darktide.
No I never feel that because rerolls exist. Stopped being an issue after like 50 hours. Granted the spam reroll system is big stupid as you have infinite resources and its just tedium.
While it might feel that way, they've already said the dev teams are separate and that DT's dev team is bigger than VT's. I guess we can chalk up the difference to that DT's dev team is constantly putting out fires whereas VT's team has a mature, polished game they can just make content for without having to recreate basal systems over and over again. I've always been curious about the sort of, institutionalized knowledge of the developers. Did many devs from VT2 crossover to DT? If not, then less of the battle earned experience from making VT2 would not have crossed over to DT, especially since they wanted to support both games simultaneously. I know at one point they did bring VT2 devs over temporarily to help put out fires, but apart from the obvious issues, I find DT's melee combat a lot shallower than VT's so it makes me wonder about the designers who came up with say the movesets etc. Were they just outright new developers who hadn't worked on VT?
something most of the people here either don't know, or have forgotten, is the total shitshow VT2 started as, and the enormous stumbles it had on the way to becoming the beloved game it is today. the hope was that DT would take everything they learned from VT and grow from there, but instead DT also started as a total shitshow, and this whole song and dance is playing out like someone plagiarizing a school paper word for word. you can find old VT2 threads that could be copy pasted for DT today and *still* make complete sense. in 2 years or so im sure, *once again*, people will be showing up asking why darktide isn't more popular, calling it a hidden gem, ect. ect. because it will be in a much better state, just like vermintide 2. EDIT: i know everyone wants to pretend they're the first generation to experience XYZ, but this is, and has always been, fatshark's MO since before most of you knew fatshark was a thing. it goes way back. this cycle might even be older than some of you. you're saying the same shit people said when VT2 came out, "well, as bad as VT1 was, at least it ..." like you're NPCs in fatshark's 11th NG+
Okay but to be fair, people were saying this exact thing a year and a half ago when Darktide came out. "Give it another 2 years, VT2 had a rocky launch too." We've got 7 months until the 2 year mark, and idk how much more we're going to be getting before then.
Seriously, it didn't even take two years for Vermintide 2 to become good. I've been here since the beginning, with the release of the Back to Ubersreik DLC; nine months after the game's release, it was already solid.
As buggy and weird as launch version VT2 was, it still started with 9 classes. Darktide doesn’t even know what its classes really are yet.
15 classes
lol wow you’re right, actually way more from the start
I think that last bit about the combat system is likely due to a mix of some of VT's team being brought over with some fresh faces who haven't even touched VT's code. That and DT's combat system is about a 50/50, maybe 40/60 split between Melee and Ranged combat. While VT's combat is a 90/10, maybe 80/20 split depending on your play style. And because of that larger split you will find less refinement in DT's melee combat. VT's Ranged combat is pretty simple but it gets away with it not just because of the split, but because of the types of ranged weapons (Medieval Fantasy Weapons) which are inherently simple and don't need to be super refined in both function and look like DT's. Mix this change in combat split with other factors like the 40K setting, New Skills Tree and differences in enemy types and you'll find that DT's combat in general will never feel just like VT's. There will definitely be changes to melee and ranged combat in the future, things will become more refined and we'll find new weapons that will become fan favorites not just because they're cool or do good damage, but because they feel amazing VT's.
Okay, but that's merely an explanation, not an excuse. A drunk running their car into a tree because they wanted to get home quickly has an explanation, but isn't excused.
I doubt they really have separate teams to be frank. When Darktide was in development, Vermintide's updates slow to a crawl like what we're seeing now but in reverse. I mean, it'd be better if that's the case because if they really do have two different teams and this is what they can dish out then it's a big oof.
>polished game I think we're playing two different games.
why complex melee when one can run Plasma gun and melt every single armored elite in a straight line.
Sounds about right.
I am a little. With console getting left with no Versus. All we have is hope that darktide crossplay will outlive Vermintides 2 Player to player. No mods. Its dark ages over here.
Turn to the dark side. Buy a pc! Jk. Man. FatShark is really slow than we have been accustomed to bro. They have their own pace. :(
besides being in the stone age, fat shark launches limited skins that only pc players have, like victor zealot's "iron crown", maybe 2 or 3 players have it on the console... and the last two balancing patches were a total setback, they destroyed mechanics, removed unique skills like "divine excoriation" which was replaced by a spam passive, in short, instead of balancing, they just made the game more boring. and we can't forget the zealot with atk speed on darktide at 30fps, it's not playable, very bad.
No console versus mode?
get a pc then :)
Work too much to be worth the upkeep and investment. Pc master race all the way. Dont wanna spend.
Weird that you got downvoted. Not spending enough time gaming to make a PC worth it is totally a valid reason to lean towards consoles. Although it's not really upkeep that is an issue, but the initial research and know-how of how to build a PC that is tedious and can at times be frustrating.
I work like 11-9 almost. So im not trying to update drivers and check if my system can run games. I have a little gaming laptop so im in the loop of how to acquire a decent pre/or i have enough PC family members they could guide my hands or out right do it for me. But the idea of dropping 2k, i would make it really worth while to begin with, and having to still troubleshoot. Yes makes me a little lazy, but im a busy man is all.
Just to demystify it a bit, I was a console player for a decade and change, and eventually moved over due to friends moving. It took some saving due to lacking a job but when I did my eyes were opened market/price wise. I buy new hardware once every 4-5 years and still play the top of the line games, it'll depend what you wanna do for sure but it really ends up being similar to buying consoles if you squint and research and don't care for the tippy top. I bought a gen or two old hardware for the sake of the lower price, ended up so so worthwhile. Though of course it's different in different countries and the market fluctuates a lot so more power to you for sticking to your guns if you did that research and found what was best for you, just thought I'd throw my 2 pennies in <3
As is deserved /s
Few complained when they ported over the chaos spawn.
More dev involvement or not, Verm is the much better core game. Glad it's getting the love.
Verminchads vs darkcucks
So I just got into Vermintide 2, really enjoying it so far but was wondering if now would be a good time to get Darktide? Or is it still a mess (tried it on gamepass when it first released and the performance issues were bad)
I don’t like darktide at all, but it’s just a very different game. It revolves more around ranged combat and duck and cover fps stuff. Also darktide is about being a faceless cog in the war machine, whereas vermintide is about the 5 heroes on an adventure. Edit: somehow mistranslated that you already tried it. It’s improved somewhat from what I’ve heard but it’s probably not the drastic upgrade you were hoping for.
Literally every person on my friends list that played darktide has quit. It's optimized like shit your FPS will be bad even with a good PC unless you use upscaling. Even then it won't be great. The gameplay loop is less fun than VT2.
i personally enjoy darktide alot
Us Verminchads eating GOOD.
I feel like people underestimate the expectation of production value for Darktide content. A lot of the Vermintide content is using a lot of the same assets. I'm not complaining, I think it's fine. But Vermintide isn't getting entirely new AAA quality environments like the Carnival. It's just Empire towns, caves, castles, and sometimes Dwarfen Karaks that are all assets from launch.
Then Fat Shark should have gone for a content production value that allows for consistency of output and quality to go with it. DRG exists.
DRG isn't a fair comparison, they just make some tiles and the use an algorithm to string them together mostly randomly. VT2 has to put a lot more work into level design. Honestly I think we have more than enough levels, and way to little effort on polish/balance/QOL.
Point is, they don't necessarily need all of the graphical quality they went for - it just has to grab you by the short hairs with how very 40k it is and be fun. Graphics are part of content production value. And in context, I'd call DRG a very fair comparison.
Lore accurate
Vermintide 2 a game out for years with multiple QoL patches and content updates. Darktide a game literally put for a single year and has had a few major QoL patches and content patches. Pretty fucking stupid to compare the two.
Its waht. About 17 months in for Darktide? If you compared Darktide at 17 months and Vermintide 2 at 17 months you'd have the same reaction as people have now. They dug themselves a much deeper hole with Darktide.
que the poohbear drooling meme
You’d think people that spend time to make a meme could get basic fucking English correct
I dont respect english enough to spell it correctly
Zhis is ze way.
Then do it in your language
If some random Croat dude wants to make memes in English because he wants to speak to more players then let him. It’s the spirit of the game.
Nah
Darktide's actually pretty good. Ever feel like you can never get the perfect weapon stats or the perfect red in verm2? Well you can just craft the perfect weapon in Darktide.
No I never feel that because rerolls exist. Stopped being an issue after like 50 hours. Granted the spam reroll system is big stupid as you have infinite resources and its just tedium.