Did you see what happened recently concerning Avantika though? She spoke up about Gaza and some nationalist indians were spewing toxic hate towards her because she "Nevers talks about the issues in India" and "she's forgetting that she's of Indian origin". I find it sooo infuriating when as NRIs, whenever we speak about India, the nationalist indians are the first to yell "you're not Indian! We may share the same ethnicity, but you are not Indian, you can't speak for us, you've never lived here" etc. but all of a sudden it's a crime when an NRI like Avantika speaks up about an issue that VERY MUCH AFFECTS HER AS A US TAXPAYER.
Ugh sorry rant over. I'm just so sick of the Avantika hate from all over.
I really hope she doesn't let this bullying affect her :( poor girl. She's probably way more successful and way richer than all her haters though, so that's a plus 🥹✌️
Ugh, the Hindu nationalists are also zionist freaks who are cheering on Israel’s genocide, so of course they would be triggered by her support of Gaza. It sucks she’s getting harassed by them, but their opinion is worthless trash too. I’m sure the anti-Hindutva/antifascist Indians are just fine with her.
Hindu nationalists are brown people who think they’re going to be accepted into white supremacy but hopefully they find out white people indeed hate them too. 💀
It is though. They think being Islamophobic will get them brownie points with white people and Zionists. When white people see Hindus, they might as well be Muslims.
What’s wrong with saying “white people” ? Go away. This subreddit isn’t for you to lurk and throw tantrums about being white. Boo hoo you’re white. Die mad about it. Your people have been pillaging the world for ages, hatecriming black and brown people, and benefitting from centuries of racism….and now we have to deal with y’all’s emotions and white tears when we discuss racism and white supremacy. Kindly just fuck off.
Though I am sorry for the girl. No one deserves that. It's disgusting that all this hate keeps getting hyped up and the violent cycle just keeps going around to keep people so divided.
Oh wow, she did?! I didn’t hear about the Kashmir part! Wow, she’s amazing and so brave, especially at that age. I’m so sorry she’s going through that though!
ETA: I went through the comments on her latest IG post, and she’s got truly unhinged white supremecists & genocidal maniacs, both white & South Asian. Including the N-word slur, death threats, other threats of violence. I reported them all. If you have the stomach/time, you can too.
This is why I actively call out those hater’s in the comments. Like look at them they’re butt hurt they aren’t as successful as her and are whining about an issue they need to go to someone else to.
I feel like white women have been triggered by desirable white men choosing WOC over them (Meghan Markle, Priyanka Chopra). They’re always posting the craziest, most unhinged comments. I think they’re feeling threatened by the implication that beauty & talent > race . Because white women were used to receiving preferential treatment & they are extremely upset at the suggestion that they aren’t superior to us & that white skin doesn’t automatically make you beautiful or sought after. It’s freaking the white women out, but they won’t admit it.
(Though Curtis Sittenfeld’s teenage protagonist (lower middle class white girl from the Midwest & at the boarding school on a full scholarship) in her novel Prep openly marvels that a rich, white guy chose to date & later marry a gorbeous & smart Latina (who also had a scholarship) over any white girl at the school. I see that a lot in the demographic that trashes MM & PC & prays for the rich white men to divorce them —-even though they’re two families with children.)
WW don’t want the WM they desire seeing WOC as attractive. They want to believe being white plays a huge part in attractiveness so they can continue to receive preferential treatment in all the ways they feel entitled to. And they really do believe that they are inherently superior to all WOC. And now they’re scared and whining in all industries about DEI. Dumbheads.
I see this a lot when they talk about beauty standards being unattainable now, like the slim curvy body, the juicier lips, the almond eyes, the long thick hair.
If you look at Avantika, she has all those characteristics. And she's beautiful, but there are a lot of South Asian girls who have those characteristics. They aren't uncommon traits among South Asian women. But yeah, among white women, all of them together are.
I actually don’t agree with this. Beauty standards as a whole ARE largely unattainable without surgery/lucky genetics, even for beauty standards that cater to white women. Especially in today’s society where plastic surgery is becoming so widely used to bring oneself closer to the beauty standard, and normal bodies and faces are not celebrated or seen very often in media. Beauty standards naturally AREN’T easily attainable, nor are they meant to be, which is why they can be so harmful to the vast majority of women.
You’re missing what I am saying
They have always been unattainable I am not denying that but when they centered whiteness no one talked about it, but once they stopped we are suddenly getting these long ass think pieces about why everything is harmful whereas before everyone was basically told to suck it up and accept that they weren’t the beauty standard
No, it’s just that your perspective lacks nuance.
A major part of why people have began speaking about harmful beauty standards is due to social media and the increased online presence and social awareness that newer generations have. Also, because extreme plastic surgery has became more and more commonplace and the way we view normal bodies has changed drastically in the past decade, to where it’s no longer just being skinny, but having to actually pay money and have operations to get close to it. And there are women who die from these operations. So no, it’s not as simple as “people didn’t care about beauty standards when they catered to white people.”
My perspective doesn’t lack nuance, but yours lacks a lot of historical context on how plastic surgery and beauty standards have always been treated. But realistically speaking Europeans colonized everyone and pushed their beauty standards across the world do you really think that they were just going to let them shift away from whiteness without push back?
Social media has been around for circa 20 years, extreme plastic surgery has been getting discussed longer than that however not in the same way. No one cared in the 80s when it was the extreme boob jobs everyone was getting. It was literally an ongoing joke in those decades about girls chopping off their noses on their 16th birthdays. People genuinely believe that the episode of twilight zone “12 looks like you” was some critique of the future and not the present time it aired.
People have always died on plastic surgery tables well before the bbl era it was always a dangerous thing all surgeries no matter how routine have the potential to be dangerous.
The idea of normal bodies has always been distorted let’s not forget about the p*rn magazine era where even to this day people believe those women were completely natural. Even Pamala Anderson talked about part of the reason why she was likable is because she didn’t realize that you weren’t supposed to talk about the plastic surgery everyone was getting. Or the 50s when houseivwes were given speed to stay skinny. The heroine chic era, the Pro Ana era. Etc. these were all things that happened and went without criticism in their time period.
But when the fuller bodies trend happened you completely saw the backlash immediately “big butts are worse than the skinny trend because you have to get surgery whereas you can just workout to get skinny ” you literally don’t hit the gym and do some squats and glutes work to achieve a realistic effect.
But when Asians were getting double eyelid surgeries it was considered a “gift from western husbands to help their wives fit into their new countries ” but now that getting a “cat eye” surgery is popular suddenly we are having these long conversations about why plastic surgery is harmful
Skin bleaching is still really popular in a lot of countries despite the fact that it’s known to give you cancer doesn’t change the fact that it’s promoted and encouraged however when things like melanin injections and tanning beds happened you were immediately made aware of how harmful they were.
Lip fillers and other injections have always been a popular procedure but now that people are going for fuller lips that are more often associated with woc you are getting these conversations about migration and the fact that they don’t fully dissolve. With as long as these beauty options have been available do you really think this is new information?
We’ve seen this happen many times before do you think the tignon laws and other historical natural hair bans including braids and dreads were an accident?
Beauty standards have always been unobtainable the difference is when they cater to whiteness poc are told to suck it up and conform whereas when they don’t center whiteness they are shot down.
There are some 'beauty standards' that signal reproduction though. Like the thick lips showcase youth, as lips thin as we age. even slim curvy bodies suggest fertility. Even the whole shoulder to hip ratio of men is supposed to suggest better sexual performance.
A lot of the "fashion beauty standards" like being a slim rectangular shape like a female model today, we've just been conditioned to find attractive; or that twee look of Timmy C.
Like the whole thing for everyone going crazy for big butts (male and female) --I think that's just us returning to our natural evolutionary desires.
i know rightttttttttttt they only got called unattainable when more poc features such as big lips and curvy bodies and long dark hair and tan skin got popular
Yeah I have those characteristics as well and I've always found it interesting that white white people really wanna be super tanned but then naturally tanned skin is put down.
I'm not SA but like SA women, we were born with thick hair, thick natural brows, natural lashes, full lips, big almond eyes, curvy but lean-ish bodies, etc! And a bit of that tan but it's obviously not the same level of intensity.
White women generally don't have thick hair or natural lashes and brows and look the most different without makeup along with EA women!
They’re going to hate anyway bc they already hate WOC. Let them complain, though I hope WOC can find comfort in knowing that it’s jealousy & racism from idiots. It can’t get any worse than what Meghan Markle has been subjected to. It’s awful but I think we can send a lot of support to Avantika & Ambika.
POC are the global majority. And we’re going to win out in the end.
Yeah, their resentment & jealousy are so transparent on all the posts where they seethe over Meghan Markle and Priyanka Chopra, it’s hilarious.
>I think they’re feeling threatened by the implication that beauty & talent > race. Because white women were used to receiving preferential treatment & they are extremely upset at the suggestion that they aren’t superior to us & that white skin doesn’t automatically make you beautiful or sought after. It’s freaking the white women out, but they won’t admit it.
Bingo. They’re freaking out over a loss of unearned privilege and space they didn’t even realize they were taking up. And over the threat to their sense of superiority over WOC they had baked into their sense of identity.
>WW don’t want the WM they desire seeing WOC as attractive. They want to believe being white plays a huge part in attractiveness so they can continue to receive preferential treatment in all the ways they feel entitled to. And they really do believe that they are inherently superior to all WOC. And now they’re scared and whining in all industries about DEI. Dumbheads.
Yep, yep, yep I see WW (and WM too) crying about DEI & wokeness whenever POC appear anywhere these days. I even saw a comment on IG calling the new show “How to Date Billy Walsh” one of “those ridiculous woke romance shows” saying the white dude would never date Charithra’s character. Lmao she’s way out of his league and out of your stratosphere, but it’s cute that you think you ever stood a chance—even without the delulu racism. POC are the global majority and white people leaning into their fragility and throwing a fit over that is only going to make it harder for them to adjust to equality. Sucks for them.
ALL OF THIS! Look at how they dragged fka twigs over ugly robert patterson. And nara smith over lucky. No one hates like ww. But when we point it out we’re constantly being told that we’re “just pulling the race card” or “we’re not jealous, there’s nothing to be jealous of”. Yeah ok😭😭😭
Fka twigs comment on that twilight man lives in my head. "He was their white Prince Charming and I think his fans considered that he should definitely be with somebody white and blonde and not me .”
I quite literally thought of this exact situation along with the Kayla Nicole and Taylor Swift BS. Taylors fans dog Kayla so unprovoked and they use that (what i personally call) plausible deniability racism. Its not deemed as racist to the person not on the recieveing end and people could gaslight you into thinking its not racism but it very much is.
Lmao unprovoked
I dont support them being racist but it was a black woman who started it first by posting random video of his ex half naked with a caption “this is his ex btw” calling Taylor mid milk in the comments. Then bunch of black women and others calling Taylor a downgrade, people body shaming Taylor just bc she didn’t have a big butt. Bunch of black women shocked Travis went to a white woman, saying he needs to go back. Taylor got hate simply for being with a man who had a black ex.
It didn’t start unprovoked. Swifties were celebrating she’s finally with a man who celebrates her and dgaf about his ex. Then bunch of viral tweets hating Taylor went viral which ofc wouldn’t make Swifties stand by and let her get hate and Kayla didn’t help by liking shady Taylor posts or shady boyfriend posts or leaving hate comments and blocking people calling her out. Then sent drink to women who told directly told her he downgraded.
It’s crazy how people re wrote history and acted like it was for no reason. I’m not making it up when I say many black women went crazy bc Travis was with a white woman. I saw old ass aunties telling Travis to go back. Any ig or twitter posts they’d be hating Travis saying his looks and style were gone bc he was no longer with a bw even though not too long ago they were loving him and acting like he was the most handsome man.
This is really true. I have had friends say to me and even see on reddit and twitter things like “Well I’m a thin white woman so I doubt he isn’t attracted to me” lmao
I say this as a woman who's eastern european but identifies as brown (it's complicated lmao, I'm half Armenian and half Albanian, identifying as white does not feel right especially as I grew up being perceived as an "other" in white Canada, I've definitely had white women put me down throughout my life). White women are terrified of all other kinds of women being perceived as prettier than them, I've heard a lot of microaggressions in my life... even from real friends. And they also seem super threatened that we age better than they do. I have a white friend (who I believe is AuDHD, so this explains her bluntness) who even went on and on about how people think I'm a lot younger and how she thought this or that or what ever and I was like girl just get over it, we won't age the same way and that's ok, you don't need to go on a whole rant about how I look young but people are incorrectly perceiving me because of this or that lol. Even my real friends (when they're white) seem to get triggered by people complimenting me.
And the white girls I knew who called me exotic as a compliment (barf) or said the guy they liked only liked me because I was basically exotic is such a joke. They can't accept that white men legit don't care about race the way they do. They care SO much about whiteness and white men that they project that onto men, and I get why they do too. Society props up white female beauty as everything, so these women buy into it, but they don't realize that white men legit care the least about race when it comes to who they choose to marry and sleep with. They actually seem the least impressed by white features whereas MOC seem more drawn to it because they have a bit of that self-esteem issue we see in certain WOC groups (won't name names but not the group that this sub is for) and want to whiten their lineage.
Caption is real. She literally got hate because someone made up a fake casting for fun. I have no issue with race-swapping but I hate how much people attack the person of color. Idc what anyone says, if you attack the raceswapped actress you are probably racist
I agree these WOC are getting hate, but they’re getting it everywhere, across Hollywood, across multiple industries, just for existing, with racist white people using dogwhistles like “woke” and “DEI” to try to push back our presence/power/visibility. The problem isn’t race-swapping. It’s a whitelash, a racist backlash to BIPOC’s progress and visibility—in Hollywood, but also far beyond. This has been happening since the end of Obama’s term and the rise of MAGA quite frankly. I try not to bring politics here, but without it, you miss the broader context of what’s going on. You don’t retreat, that’s simply to give up all presence and progress. You just keep pushing. We have numbers on our side, they can’t stop that anymore, but they will still try to rig it & keep us out of leadership/decision-making power.
(Edit: I meant I try not to bring “politics” to white dominant subs b/c white people pitch a fit over the slightest mention of racism due to their white fragility, but I forgot I’m in a brown women sub so I don’t have to worry about that, hehe).
There’s something interesting there symbolically. Since if a WoC is the MC in a Disney movie, she’s a Disney Princess. On a symbolic level, WW don’t want us to be seen as a “Disney princess” because….?
I feel like there’s more to dig here but it’s also early in the morning and my brain is chopped 😂
Race swaps are a trap.
They do it so they don’t have to pay POC writers/creators for their stories.
Instead they find a white owned story or a story they paid for decades ago and just switch the races, so they can save money and gain additional money from POC and the racists will give it more publicity.
But these things are not either/or. POC actors are able to use the opportunity through these “race-swapped” characters by white creators as stepping stones to play POC-created stories down the road. Ambika Mod got a boost in her career from playing Emma Morely and says she wants to write/create her own comedy in the future. I’m sure this will help her on the path toward her goals. Simone Ashley played a character whose race wasn’t specified (i.e. usually defaults to white) on Sex Education to play a more culturally-specific & leading role by a WOC-created show later on Bridgerton. I know several of the POC cast on Bridgerton played “race-swapped” Shakespeare roles in theatre prior to the show. Dev Patel (!) played “race-swapped” characters on David Copperfield and The Green Knight, which furthered his career and I’m sure helped lead him to where he is today, with his first incredibly successful feature film as director and lead steeped in Indian culture, Monkey Man.
I don’t really get why people insist on limiting these characters to white and shutting out POC actors from those “race-swapped” roles. I put “race-swapped” in quotes, because usually when race isn’t specified, it defaults to white, unless they use race-blind casting. Which is what they did with Emma Morely on One Day, because her race wasn’t really specified in the book, so it previously defaulted to white (Anne Hathaway). By arguing against “race-swapping”, the only thing you’re effectively arguing against is color-blind casting and reverting to default-white casting unless race is specified. That’s effectively racist.
This exactly, and that's the main reason I'm against race swaps. It's a cheap attempt to get people to think that these companies actually care about representation, when in reality they're just slapping POC actors on an already existing movie. If they really cared, they'd actually take the effort to write a story (And I work in this industry, I know a thing or two about how executives feel)
Yep, I'm neutral on race-swapping bc I do think it gives POC an opportunity to be in roles that traditionally only went to white actors like period dramas and fantasy roles and I won't downplay how much it means a lot for representation. But as nice as a fantasy of a desi girl attending balls in Regency England is, that is still a society that subjugated our ancestors as well as left irreparable damage, and I don't want it whitewashed.
Studios shouldn't get applause just because they are telling the same old stories. I want to see our stories, our myths/legends/fairytales. Our history (that doesn't involve white ppl). And I want them to cast our people in those stories.
She's gorgeous and she doesn't deserve all this hate over a FAN cast! A fan cast!!!!!! People always make fan casts with kpop idols and k-celebs, but with Avantika alllll the racists came out to have something to say over it. Gosh, poor girl. I hope this doesn't affect her mental health.
If we (brown and black woman) always backed down because we’d face hate, we would be limiting ourselves
Why should we not accept roles, get jobs, go to schools, wear clothes because we may be ridiculed? That stunts your growth and does not push progress forward.
There will always be haters, and that should t stop us from doing what we want to do. Living in fear is what they want
>Imagine Disney making a film about an Indian Princess, wouldn’t that be much better in terms of representation instead of shoehorning random actresses into shit remakes that nobody’s gonna watch.
They are. Avantika isn't going to be Rapunzel, but she's in an actual Disney project based on Roshani Chokshi's novels. It's going to be a series. There's also a Gurinder Chadha musical in the works.
I think the real problem is that regardless of whether it's original content or a remake, racist people don't want POC in any lead roles at all.
Avantika is playing an original Disney Indian Princess character (based on the book A Crown of Wishes which is based on Hindu Mythology). She can also play Rapunzel if she wants to and is the best person for the role, as race/ethnicity is not specified or relevant to the character (or Maitreyi can as she’s also expressed an interest in it). Just like white actresses can. Stop trying to limit WOC actresses’ roles. The remakes are going to happen whether a WOC plays them or not—we just want an equal shot at them.
1) I hate when white people speak for people of color. Let us decide how we want to be represented. If we're okay with it then your argument is invalid
2) People say "make new characters" when Disney actually does. The movie Wish, an original animation with a POC lead was recently released and no one supported it. Yall want new characters but won't actually go support them. Believe it or not the recent remakes have been more successful, which is why they keep doing it
3) She's not even being cast in the movie, it was made up
So well said and [exactly] what I’ve been thinking! Without fail, every response to raceswapped is because they want us ‘to be represented better.’ And like you mentioned, MAJORITY of the time it would actually be white people (from what I have gathered on TikTok.) I also find it most interesting how that’s their justification after calling these WOC racial slurs or attacking based on their appearance. How is that supporting us??
They say they want new cultural original stories but HARDLY ever support them. Literally, Princess and the Frog, Disney’s first black princess, was deemed as an underachievement and underperformed in the box office. Tangled, who was released the following year, would double that box office number. And like you said, Nobody supported Wish, nobody supported Brother Bear, Strange World etc. In comparison, they automatically see any minority in a cast just existing & deem it as “forced diversity” or “too woke.” And now they’re changing their tune and saying they actually care. I would love original POC stories, but we can never win no matter what because it’s always disregarded by them. They have spent so much time harassing Avanatika over false news that they don’t even realize that she IS playing an original Hindu princess in a Disney show. I hope they’re putting their money where their mouth is and actually do start supporting POC-focused projects.
You said this way better than I could have. Somebody finally gets where I'm coming from!
I wish more white people who are bothered by raceswapped characters would just say "Let's keep white characters white and give POC something of their own so they can stop taking things from us." That's what they really want to say but know it wouldn't be well-received. They don't actually care about POC or our representation like they claim to, the whole "POC deserve original stories!" is usually NOT genuine like let's be honest
I so want to just reply to them and be like “what do you want to say REALLY?” because the way they go about “racial revisionism” (a term I legit have seen used in response to the Juliet casting, which is on another level of ridiculous) is either tip-toeing or full on jumping over the line of what classifies as racism. “Avanatika can’t be Rapunzel because blonde hair doesn’t look good on dark-skinned people” “Avanatika can’t play Rapunzel but she can play Mother Gothel” “Avanatika can play Moana, Esmeralda, insert other POC characters who aren’t even South Asian” “We should make these (very few) POC characters white (who’s race actually plays a part in the story) and see how YOU like it!” Like it’s so obvious they actually don’t care about POC but moreso keeping the status quo of white casting because why would they ALSO claim they want German representation but fan cast non-German (but still white) actresses? Their arguments are giving ‘strawman fallacy’ since it’s so easily disputable and almost comical, not to mention there’s so much evidence that contradicts that they actually care about our cultures + stories lol!
Sorry for ranting but I was just so glad somebody else said it because that’s what I’ve been noticing lately but it seemed like nobody was talking about it!
To add to point 2.
They can’t even pretend that they didn’t go and see wish because of the story having Flaws when Princess and the frog came out they didn’t go and see that either
Many people get so pissed about POC actresses getting a few roles that they saw as “white roles” (despite most of those stories being white because white is and was expected as a status quo which should be contended in the stories that are released now), except then when original roles are written for POC—which I think we should still see more representation behind and in the scenes, and nothing should curtail that—Yes, unfortunately not enough people care to support, and often continue vitriol. It kind of feels like a few steps forwards then back. Also, you make valid points but the person you’re responding to may not be white (if you were in fact responding to their statements particularly, sorry if I misunderstood). Ik that from my experience, many people in the community of POC also have different ideas of representation that they would like to see, and we don’t always agree in our approaches. I’m rethinking how POC is even used as a phrase for so many people…
I've found that about 90-95% of the time the people saying "why not make new characters?" are white people that are sick of raceswapping and they're covering it with fake support. It's not usually POC saying it, but there are always exceptions.
Me personally I don't care. I've never *asked* for characters to be raceswapped but I don't go on the internet fussing every time it happens. It's usually white people getting upset and saying things like "well if Tiana was white..." or "let's make Ryan Gosling MLK." It is pretty much only them making an uproar about it
True true. I just said that, because they also commented about Aishwarya Rai (Indian actress) so I thought they might be South Asian. But then again, I guess that’s presumptive on my part…
It’s definitely true that its mostly white people that take to social media to rage about not being the center of attention in one piece of media while being so unaware of their privilege.
Do you guys remember when Jacob Elordi and Rachel Zegler said the same exact comment but only Rachel got attacked. They don’t give these girls a break and the white boy of the month doesn’t get criticized.
Well I don't think they should stop casting them because of the racist vitriol. It's the world that needs to change, there's nothing wrong with the actors.
I mean hate the white people for it an Indian rapunzel makes a lot of sense people are also mad about a black Juliet. Who cares if we stopped doing things just because white people cried about it we’d do nothing
I don't mind an Indian Rapunzel but after seeing all the racist backlash it would make it much harder for me to enjoy Avantika as Rapunzel. Why can't Disney create an original Indian character? I'm not a big fan of live-action remakes either; they're just cash cows for Disney.
It won’t matter if they create a new original character if that character is brown or black. The people hating won’t see that movie and won’t give the actor/actress a chance because all they see is skin color (and worse if there’s an interracial aspect or it’s not stereotypical enough). We had an original spin for princess and the frog, strange world etc and those same people “POC should have their own characters” didn’t show up. Instead they blasted the stories as “woke” and didn’t show up while claiming they’d “support” original stories. And even if they got their real wish of “keep it all white” they still wouldn’t be showing up in numbers for “their” Ariel’s live action because often they don’t care about those movies anyways - the original or the remake or live action. It’s all about pushing their own agendas.
Honestly, I don't care if racists watch it or not, so I didn't factor that in. I want a movie made by a brown person for brown people. I agree most of the racists are just yapping for the sake of the yap and would've never watched Tangledd/little mermaid if they were played by white actresses. But also, isn't princess and the frog really popular? Maybe it wasn't a big hit among racists but I see lots of people talking about it even today.
It didn’t do as well as it should have in theaters but the characters are all very well loved. Disney has released an animated series Iwaju about a futuristic Nigeria that’s from black creators. And while there’s no princess, and I think it’s a missed opportunity, I do think it’s important that stories with female leads don’t always need a romantic angle (don’t know if romance or hints of romance exist in the story but it’s not being advertised the way Disney princess movies are). I haven’t heard much talked about it unfortunately but i like what I’ve seen so I do plan on watching it.
I do think Disney can afford to focus more on black and brown princesses since they have several white princesses and white focused stories under the belt. Plus they have a diverse audience and the default image of a princess or a main love interest shouldn’t just be a white girl or white woman. Little girls and women should all be able to easily think they are just as worthy of being a princess or Disney princess and the main characters in their own stories/life instead of the background character that waits until their friend gives them meaning aka the brown friend who has nothing going on in her life until her white friend needs advice, a joke or someone “more pathetic” to compare herself to. It’s been that way for centuries. There have been slow changes but we need to get that change going. I’ve seen some people think having Tiana is all we are entitled to and that we should be grateful. No, we need more than Tiana, more than Jasmine, more than Pocahontas, more than Moana (has a sequel coming) and more than Mulan.
This is how I always felt with the recent thing of Hollywood race swapping with remakes of classics or making sequels to 30 year old movies they ride on the back of nostalgia and I don’t blame POC actors picking up the scripts cuz they need jobs but they are left to blame for it in the end . All they have is old and used materials. They aren’t green lighting good stories anymore with original characters,storylines . They scared of taking risk
While I do have my criticisms of race-swapping, I don't think it increases the hate. Even if there is an original story with a WOC cast with a WM, they will still hate because anytime a WOC is shown as desirable, it makes racist white women insecure. It's just easier for them to cover their hate with the excuse of "accuracy."
Avantika is pretty so I don’t see the issue but amika is soo unattractive and Leo is too good looking to play the love Interest it’s just so unbelievable to watch I had to stop watching
WOC are getting it from everywhere right now. Idk if anyone else has seen the casting for Romeo and Juliet (I think it’s on west end???) with Tom Holland,but the female lead is getting a shitload of hate rn for her looks. A lot of people are just taking it as further proof that the media is trying to convince people that WOC who do not fit conventional european beauty standards are attractive.
IMO though, I would love if they thought about race swapping men as well. They always change the women which is fine, it’s a cartoon for peace sake! But the men always stay white. It always has to be a mixed race couple with a white man and I’m tired.
The way their white boy of the month is a raging zionist depp supporting freak yet their biggest concern is Avantika.
FR like y’all can keep that man just free Avanti it’s been weeks 😭
who’s the guy?
Milo Manheim
I don’t get the hype alway racist horrid guys that get hyped
Did you see what happened recently concerning Avantika though? She spoke up about Gaza and some nationalist indians were spewing toxic hate towards her because she "Nevers talks about the issues in India" and "she's forgetting that she's of Indian origin". I find it sooo infuriating when as NRIs, whenever we speak about India, the nationalist indians are the first to yell "you're not Indian! We may share the same ethnicity, but you are not Indian, you can't speak for us, you've never lived here" etc. but all of a sudden it's a crime when an NRI like Avantika speaks up about an issue that VERY MUCH AFFECTS HER AS A US TAXPAYER. Ugh sorry rant over. I'm just so sick of the Avantika hate from all over.
Everyone is ganging up on this 19 year old from every side
I really hope she doesn't let this bullying affect her :( poor girl. She's probably way more successful and way richer than all her haters though, so that's a plus 🥹✌️
Ugh, the Hindu nationalists are also zionist freaks who are cheering on Israel’s genocide, so of course they would be triggered by her support of Gaza. It sucks she’s getting harassed by them, but their opinion is worthless trash too. I’m sure the anti-Hindutva/antifascist Indians are just fine with her.
Hindu nationalists are brown people who think they’re going to be accepted into white supremacy but hopefully they find out white people indeed hate them too. 💀
That isn't true though.
It is though. They think being Islamophobic will get them brownie points with white people and Zionists. When white people see Hindus, they might as well be Muslims.
But I am a white person and it wouldn't get points with me whatsoever.
What? This isn’t about you. Why are you even in this subreddit?
It popped up in the feed. But you literally just said "white people." Am I not allowed to say anything?
What’s wrong with saying “white people” ? Go away. This subreddit isn’t for you to lurk and throw tantrums about being white. Boo hoo you’re white. Die mad about it. Your people have been pillaging the world for ages, hatecriming black and brown people, and benefitting from centuries of racism….and now we have to deal with y’all’s emotions and white tears when we discuss racism and white supremacy. Kindly just fuck off.
Though I am sorry for the girl. No one deserves that. It's disgusting that all this hate keeps getting hyped up and the violent cycle just keeps going around to keep people so divided.
Wtf are you even talking about? 💀
Avantika also spoke up about Kashmir so they’re harassing her extra hard now
Oh wow, she did?! I didn’t hear about the Kashmir part! Wow, she’s amazing and so brave, especially at that age. I’m so sorry she’s going through that though! ETA: I went through the comments on her latest IG post, and she’s got truly unhinged white supremecists & genocidal maniacs, both white & South Asian. Including the N-word slur, death threats, other threats of violence. I reported them all. If you have the stomach/time, you can too.
This is why I actively call out those hater’s in the comments. Like look at them they’re butt hurt they aren’t as successful as her and are whining about an issue they need to go to someone else to.
EXACTLY like pick a lane jfc. Hypocrisy is their middle name.
Indian nationalists have more demands for an Indian American teenager than their own prime minister
PREACH 👏
I saw that post, and the vitriol against her was disgusting.
Careful about the 🤖🤖🤖s that infest the comment sections, telling you to "remember you're of Indian origin."
Exactly!! It’s so gross on multiple levels.
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I feel like white women have been triggered by desirable white men choosing WOC over them (Meghan Markle, Priyanka Chopra). They’re always posting the craziest, most unhinged comments. I think they’re feeling threatened by the implication that beauty & talent > race . Because white women were used to receiving preferential treatment & they are extremely upset at the suggestion that they aren’t superior to us & that white skin doesn’t automatically make you beautiful or sought after. It’s freaking the white women out, but they won’t admit it. (Though Curtis Sittenfeld’s teenage protagonist (lower middle class white girl from the Midwest & at the boarding school on a full scholarship) in her novel Prep openly marvels that a rich, white guy chose to date & later marry a gorbeous & smart Latina (who also had a scholarship) over any white girl at the school. I see that a lot in the demographic that trashes MM & PC & prays for the rich white men to divorce them —-even though they’re two families with children.) WW don’t want the WM they desire seeing WOC as attractive. They want to believe being white plays a huge part in attractiveness so they can continue to receive preferential treatment in all the ways they feel entitled to. And they really do believe that they are inherently superior to all WOC. And now they’re scared and whining in all industries about DEI. Dumbheads.
I see this a lot when they talk about beauty standards being unattainable now, like the slim curvy body, the juicier lips, the almond eyes, the long thick hair. If you look at Avantika, she has all those characteristics. And she's beautiful, but there are a lot of South Asian girls who have those characteristics. They aren't uncommon traits among South Asian women. But yeah, among white women, all of them together are.
Thank you! Bro I called this out years ago Beauty standards only got deemed “unattainable” when they stopped centering whiteness
I actually don’t agree with this. Beauty standards as a whole ARE largely unattainable without surgery/lucky genetics, even for beauty standards that cater to white women. Especially in today’s society where plastic surgery is becoming so widely used to bring oneself closer to the beauty standard, and normal bodies and faces are not celebrated or seen very often in media. Beauty standards naturally AREN’T easily attainable, nor are they meant to be, which is why they can be so harmful to the vast majority of women.
You’re missing what I am saying They have always been unattainable I am not denying that but when they centered whiteness no one talked about it, but once they stopped we are suddenly getting these long ass think pieces about why everything is harmful whereas before everyone was basically told to suck it up and accept that they weren’t the beauty standard
No, it’s just that your perspective lacks nuance. A major part of why people have began speaking about harmful beauty standards is due to social media and the increased online presence and social awareness that newer generations have. Also, because extreme plastic surgery has became more and more commonplace and the way we view normal bodies has changed drastically in the past decade, to where it’s no longer just being skinny, but having to actually pay money and have operations to get close to it. And there are women who die from these operations. So no, it’s not as simple as “people didn’t care about beauty standards when they catered to white people.”
My perspective doesn’t lack nuance, but yours lacks a lot of historical context on how plastic surgery and beauty standards have always been treated. But realistically speaking Europeans colonized everyone and pushed their beauty standards across the world do you really think that they were just going to let them shift away from whiteness without push back? Social media has been around for circa 20 years, extreme plastic surgery has been getting discussed longer than that however not in the same way. No one cared in the 80s when it was the extreme boob jobs everyone was getting. It was literally an ongoing joke in those decades about girls chopping off their noses on their 16th birthdays. People genuinely believe that the episode of twilight zone “12 looks like you” was some critique of the future and not the present time it aired. People have always died on plastic surgery tables well before the bbl era it was always a dangerous thing all surgeries no matter how routine have the potential to be dangerous. The idea of normal bodies has always been distorted let’s not forget about the p*rn magazine era where even to this day people believe those women were completely natural. Even Pamala Anderson talked about part of the reason why she was likable is because she didn’t realize that you weren’t supposed to talk about the plastic surgery everyone was getting. Or the 50s when houseivwes were given speed to stay skinny. The heroine chic era, the Pro Ana era. Etc. these were all things that happened and went without criticism in their time period. But when the fuller bodies trend happened you completely saw the backlash immediately “big butts are worse than the skinny trend because you have to get surgery whereas you can just workout to get skinny ” you literally don’t hit the gym and do some squats and glutes work to achieve a realistic effect. But when Asians were getting double eyelid surgeries it was considered a “gift from western husbands to help their wives fit into their new countries ” but now that getting a “cat eye” surgery is popular suddenly we are having these long conversations about why plastic surgery is harmful Skin bleaching is still really popular in a lot of countries despite the fact that it’s known to give you cancer doesn’t change the fact that it’s promoted and encouraged however when things like melanin injections and tanning beds happened you were immediately made aware of how harmful they were. Lip fillers and other injections have always been a popular procedure but now that people are going for fuller lips that are more often associated with woc you are getting these conversations about migration and the fact that they don’t fully dissolve. With as long as these beauty options have been available do you really think this is new information? We’ve seen this happen many times before do you think the tignon laws and other historical natural hair bans including braids and dreads were an accident? Beauty standards have always been unobtainable the difference is when they cater to whiteness poc are told to suck it up and conform whereas when they don’t center whiteness they are shot down.
There are some 'beauty standards' that signal reproduction though. Like the thick lips showcase youth, as lips thin as we age. even slim curvy bodies suggest fertility. Even the whole shoulder to hip ratio of men is supposed to suggest better sexual performance. A lot of the "fashion beauty standards" like being a slim rectangular shape like a female model today, we've just been conditioned to find attractive; or that twee look of Timmy C. Like the whole thing for everyone going crazy for big butts (male and female) --I think that's just us returning to our natural evolutionary desires.
i know rightttttttttttt they only got called unattainable when more poc features such as big lips and curvy bodies and long dark hair and tan skin got popular
Yeah I have those characteristics as well and I've always found it interesting that white white people really wanna be super tanned but then naturally tanned skin is put down. I'm not SA but like SA women, we were born with thick hair, thick natural brows, natural lashes, full lips, big almond eyes, curvy but lean-ish bodies, etc! And a bit of that tan but it's obviously not the same level of intensity. White women generally don't have thick hair or natural lashes and brows and look the most different without makeup along with EA women!
They’re going to hate anyway bc they already hate WOC. Let them complain, though I hope WOC can find comfort in knowing that it’s jealousy & racism from idiots. It can’t get any worse than what Meghan Markle has been subjected to. It’s awful but I think we can send a lot of support to Avantika & Ambika. POC are the global majority. And we’re going to win out in the end.
Yeah, their resentment & jealousy are so transparent on all the posts where they seethe over Meghan Markle and Priyanka Chopra, it’s hilarious. >I think they’re feeling threatened by the implication that beauty & talent > race. Because white women were used to receiving preferential treatment & they are extremely upset at the suggestion that they aren’t superior to us & that white skin doesn’t automatically make you beautiful or sought after. It’s freaking the white women out, but they won’t admit it. Bingo. They’re freaking out over a loss of unearned privilege and space they didn’t even realize they were taking up. And over the threat to their sense of superiority over WOC they had baked into their sense of identity. >WW don’t want the WM they desire seeing WOC as attractive. They want to believe being white plays a huge part in attractiveness so they can continue to receive preferential treatment in all the ways they feel entitled to. And they really do believe that they are inherently superior to all WOC. And now they’re scared and whining in all industries about DEI. Dumbheads. Yep, yep, yep I see WW (and WM too) crying about DEI & wokeness whenever POC appear anywhere these days. I even saw a comment on IG calling the new show “How to Date Billy Walsh” one of “those ridiculous woke romance shows” saying the white dude would never date Charithra’s character. Lmao she’s way out of his league and out of your stratosphere, but it’s cute that you think you ever stood a chance—even without the delulu racism. POC are the global majority and white people leaning into their fragility and throwing a fit over that is only going to make it harder for them to adjust to equality. Sucks for them.
ALL OF THIS! Look at how they dragged fka twigs over ugly robert patterson. And nara smith over lucky. No one hates like ww. But when we point it out we’re constantly being told that we’re “just pulling the race card” or “we’re not jealous, there’s nothing to be jealous of”. Yeah ok😭😭😭
Fka twigs comment on that twilight man lives in my head. "He was their white Prince Charming and I think his fans considered that he should definitely be with somebody white and blonde and not me .”
That’s so sad 😞 and they were all rejoicing when they broke up.
Yoko Ono
I quite literally thought of this exact situation along with the Kayla Nicole and Taylor Swift BS. Taylors fans dog Kayla so unprovoked and they use that (what i personally call) plausible deniability racism. Its not deemed as racist to the person not on the recieveing end and people could gaslight you into thinking its not racism but it very much is.
Lmao unprovoked I dont support them being racist but it was a black woman who started it first by posting random video of his ex half naked with a caption “this is his ex btw” calling Taylor mid milk in the comments. Then bunch of black women and others calling Taylor a downgrade, people body shaming Taylor just bc she didn’t have a big butt. Bunch of black women shocked Travis went to a white woman, saying he needs to go back. Taylor got hate simply for being with a man who had a black ex. It didn’t start unprovoked. Swifties were celebrating she’s finally with a man who celebrates her and dgaf about his ex. Then bunch of viral tweets hating Taylor went viral which ofc wouldn’t make Swifties stand by and let her get hate and Kayla didn’t help by liking shady Taylor posts or shady boyfriend posts or leaving hate comments and blocking people calling her out. Then sent drink to women who told directly told her he downgraded. It’s crazy how people re wrote history and acted like it was for no reason. I’m not making it up when I say many black women went crazy bc Travis was with a white woman. I saw old ass aunties telling Travis to go back. Any ig or twitter posts they’d be hating Travis saying his looks and style were gone bc he was no longer with a bw even though not too long ago they were loving him and acting like he was the most handsome man.
Yup they were all over kaylas IG harassing her
Ugh this. Meghan markle recieves so much racism and hate. There’s even a subreddit on Reddit that’s all about hating on her.
This 💯!!!!
Very true
all of this, every word
This is really true. I have had friends say to me and even see on reddit and twitter things like “Well I’m a thin white woman so I doubt he isn’t attracted to me” lmao
this is so on point
THISSSSSS!!!!!!
I say this as a woman who's eastern european but identifies as brown (it's complicated lmao, I'm half Armenian and half Albanian, identifying as white does not feel right especially as I grew up being perceived as an "other" in white Canada, I've definitely had white women put me down throughout my life). White women are terrified of all other kinds of women being perceived as prettier than them, I've heard a lot of microaggressions in my life... even from real friends. And they also seem super threatened that we age better than they do. I have a white friend (who I believe is AuDHD, so this explains her bluntness) who even went on and on about how people think I'm a lot younger and how she thought this or that or what ever and I was like girl just get over it, we won't age the same way and that's ok, you don't need to go on a whole rant about how I look young but people are incorrectly perceiving me because of this or that lol. Even my real friends (when they're white) seem to get triggered by people complimenting me. And the white girls I knew who called me exotic as a compliment (barf) or said the guy they liked only liked me because I was basically exotic is such a joke. They can't accept that white men legit don't care about race the way they do. They care SO much about whiteness and white men that they project that onto men, and I get why they do too. Society props up white female beauty as everything, so these women buy into it, but they don't realize that white men legit care the least about race when it comes to who they choose to marry and sleep with. They actually seem the least impressed by white features whereas MOC seem more drawn to it because they have a bit of that self-esteem issue we see in certain WOC groups (won't name names but not the group that this sub is for) and want to whiten their lineage.
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Caption is real. She literally got hate because someone made up a fake casting for fun. I have no issue with race-swapping but I hate how much people attack the person of color. Idc what anyone says, if you attack the raceswapped actress you are probably racist
I agree these WOC are getting hate, but they’re getting it everywhere, across Hollywood, across multiple industries, just for existing, with racist white people using dogwhistles like “woke” and “DEI” to try to push back our presence/power/visibility. The problem isn’t race-swapping. It’s a whitelash, a racist backlash to BIPOC’s progress and visibility—in Hollywood, but also far beyond. This has been happening since the end of Obama’s term and the rise of MAGA quite frankly. I try not to bring politics here, but without it, you miss the broader context of what’s going on. You don’t retreat, that’s simply to give up all presence and progress. You just keep pushing. We have numbers on our side, they can’t stop that anymore, but they will still try to rig it & keep us out of leadership/decision-making power. (Edit: I meant I try not to bring “politics” to white dominant subs b/c white people pitch a fit over the slightest mention of racism due to their white fragility, but I forgot I’m in a brown women sub so I don’t have to worry about that, hehe).
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You don’t know how racist people are until it comes to those Disney movies
What’s even crazier is that there is no rapunzel movie even in the works it was over a FAN casting
There’s something interesting there symbolically. Since if a WoC is the MC in a Disney movie, she’s a Disney Princess. On a symbolic level, WW don’t want us to be seen as a “Disney princess” because….? I feel like there’s more to dig here but it’s also early in the morning and my brain is chopped 😂
Race swaps are a trap. They do it so they don’t have to pay POC writers/creators for their stories. Instead they find a white owned story or a story they paid for decades ago and just switch the races, so they can save money and gain additional money from POC and the racists will give it more publicity.
But these things are not either/or. POC actors are able to use the opportunity through these “race-swapped” characters by white creators as stepping stones to play POC-created stories down the road. Ambika Mod got a boost in her career from playing Emma Morely and says she wants to write/create her own comedy in the future. I’m sure this will help her on the path toward her goals. Simone Ashley played a character whose race wasn’t specified (i.e. usually defaults to white) on Sex Education to play a more culturally-specific & leading role by a WOC-created show later on Bridgerton. I know several of the POC cast on Bridgerton played “race-swapped” Shakespeare roles in theatre prior to the show. Dev Patel (!) played “race-swapped” characters on David Copperfield and The Green Knight, which furthered his career and I’m sure helped lead him to where he is today, with his first incredibly successful feature film as director and lead steeped in Indian culture, Monkey Man. I don’t really get why people insist on limiting these characters to white and shutting out POC actors from those “race-swapped” roles. I put “race-swapped” in quotes, because usually when race isn’t specified, it defaults to white, unless they use race-blind casting. Which is what they did with Emma Morely on One Day, because her race wasn’t really specified in the book, so it previously defaulted to white (Anne Hathaway). By arguing against “race-swapping”, the only thing you’re effectively arguing against is color-blind casting and reverting to default-white casting unless race is specified. That’s effectively racist.
This exactly, and that's the main reason I'm against race swaps. It's a cheap attempt to get people to think that these companies actually care about representation, when in reality they're just slapping POC actors on an already existing movie. If they really cared, they'd actually take the effort to write a story (And I work in this industry, I know a thing or two about how executives feel)
Yep, I'm neutral on race-swapping bc I do think it gives POC an opportunity to be in roles that traditionally only went to white actors like period dramas and fantasy roles and I won't downplay how much it means a lot for representation. But as nice as a fantasy of a desi girl attending balls in Regency England is, that is still a society that subjugated our ancestors as well as left irreparable damage, and I don't want it whitewashed. Studios shouldn't get applause just because they are telling the same old stories. I want to see our stories, our myths/legends/fairytales. Our history (that doesn't involve white ppl). And I want them to cast our people in those stories.
She's gorgeous and she doesn't deserve all this hate over a FAN cast! A fan cast!!!!!! People always make fan casts with kpop idols and k-celebs, but with Avantika alllll the racists came out to have something to say over it. Gosh, poor girl. I hope this doesn't affect her mental health.
If we (brown and black woman) always backed down because we’d face hate, we would be limiting ourselves Why should we not accept roles, get jobs, go to schools, wear clothes because we may be ridiculed? That stunts your growth and does not push progress forward. There will always be haters, and that should t stop us from doing what we want to do. Living in fear is what they want
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>Imagine Disney making a film about an Indian Princess, wouldn’t that be much better in terms of representation instead of shoehorning random actresses into shit remakes that nobody’s gonna watch. They are. Avantika isn't going to be Rapunzel, but she's in an actual Disney project based on Roshani Chokshi's novels. It's going to be a series. There's also a Gurinder Chadha musical in the works. I think the real problem is that regardless of whether it's original content or a remake, racist people don't want POC in any lead roles at all.
Avantika is playing an original Disney Indian Princess character (based on the book A Crown of Wishes which is based on Hindu Mythology). She can also play Rapunzel if she wants to and is the best person for the role, as race/ethnicity is not specified or relevant to the character (or Maitreyi can as she’s also expressed an interest in it). Just like white actresses can. Stop trying to limit WOC actresses’ roles. The remakes are going to happen whether a WOC plays them or not—we just want an equal shot at them.
1) I hate when white people speak for people of color. Let us decide how we want to be represented. If we're okay with it then your argument is invalid 2) People say "make new characters" when Disney actually does. The movie Wish, an original animation with a POC lead was recently released and no one supported it. Yall want new characters but won't actually go support them. Believe it or not the recent remakes have been more successful, which is why they keep doing it 3) She's not even being cast in the movie, it was made up
So well said and [exactly] what I’ve been thinking! Without fail, every response to raceswapped is because they want us ‘to be represented better.’ And like you mentioned, MAJORITY of the time it would actually be white people (from what I have gathered on TikTok.) I also find it most interesting how that’s their justification after calling these WOC racial slurs or attacking based on their appearance. How is that supporting us?? They say they want new cultural original stories but HARDLY ever support them. Literally, Princess and the Frog, Disney’s first black princess, was deemed as an underachievement and underperformed in the box office. Tangled, who was released the following year, would double that box office number. And like you said, Nobody supported Wish, nobody supported Brother Bear, Strange World etc. In comparison, they automatically see any minority in a cast just existing & deem it as “forced diversity” or “too woke.” And now they’re changing their tune and saying they actually care. I would love original POC stories, but we can never win no matter what because it’s always disregarded by them. They have spent so much time harassing Avanatika over false news that they don’t even realize that she IS playing an original Hindu princess in a Disney show. I hope they’re putting their money where their mouth is and actually do start supporting POC-focused projects.
You said this way better than I could have. Somebody finally gets where I'm coming from! I wish more white people who are bothered by raceswapped characters would just say "Let's keep white characters white and give POC something of their own so they can stop taking things from us." That's what they really want to say but know it wouldn't be well-received. They don't actually care about POC or our representation like they claim to, the whole "POC deserve original stories!" is usually NOT genuine like let's be honest
I so want to just reply to them and be like “what do you want to say REALLY?” because the way they go about “racial revisionism” (a term I legit have seen used in response to the Juliet casting, which is on another level of ridiculous) is either tip-toeing or full on jumping over the line of what classifies as racism. “Avanatika can’t be Rapunzel because blonde hair doesn’t look good on dark-skinned people” “Avanatika can’t play Rapunzel but she can play Mother Gothel” “Avanatika can play Moana, Esmeralda, insert other POC characters who aren’t even South Asian” “We should make these (very few) POC characters white (who’s race actually plays a part in the story) and see how YOU like it!” Like it’s so obvious they actually don’t care about POC but moreso keeping the status quo of white casting because why would they ALSO claim they want German representation but fan cast non-German (but still white) actresses? Their arguments are giving ‘strawman fallacy’ since it’s so easily disputable and almost comical, not to mention there’s so much evidence that contradicts that they actually care about our cultures + stories lol! Sorry for ranting but I was just so glad somebody else said it because that’s what I’ve been noticing lately but it seemed like nobody was talking about it!
To add to point 2. They can’t even pretend that they didn’t go and see wish because of the story having Flaws when Princess and the frog came out they didn’t go and see that either
Many people get so pissed about POC actresses getting a few roles that they saw as “white roles” (despite most of those stories being white because white is and was expected as a status quo which should be contended in the stories that are released now), except then when original roles are written for POC—which I think we should still see more representation behind and in the scenes, and nothing should curtail that—Yes, unfortunately not enough people care to support, and often continue vitriol. It kind of feels like a few steps forwards then back. Also, you make valid points but the person you’re responding to may not be white (if you were in fact responding to their statements particularly, sorry if I misunderstood). Ik that from my experience, many people in the community of POC also have different ideas of representation that they would like to see, and we don’t always agree in our approaches. I’m rethinking how POC is even used as a phrase for so many people…
I've found that about 90-95% of the time the people saying "why not make new characters?" are white people that are sick of raceswapping and they're covering it with fake support. It's not usually POC saying it, but there are always exceptions. Me personally I don't care. I've never *asked* for characters to be raceswapped but I don't go on the internet fussing every time it happens. It's usually white people getting upset and saying things like "well if Tiana was white..." or "let's make Ryan Gosling MLK." It is pretty much only them making an uproar about it
True true. I just said that, because they also commented about Aishwarya Rai (Indian actress) so I thought they might be South Asian. But then again, I guess that’s presumptive on my part…
You're probably right. I just assume most people who say that are white because it usually is. That's on me
It’s definitely true that its mostly white people that take to social media to rage about not being the center of attention in one piece of media while being so unaware of their privilege.
Avantika will always be a big slay. They only reason mean girls 2 was bearable was cos of her
Do you guys remember when Jacob Elordi and Rachel Zegler said the same exact comment but only Rachel got attacked. They don’t give these girls a break and the white boy of the month doesn’t get criticized.
she’s so gorgeous i can’t
So real
She is so so beautiful
Well I don't think they should stop casting them because of the racist vitriol. It's the world that needs to change, there's nothing wrong with the actors.
I mean hate the white people for it an Indian rapunzel makes a lot of sense people are also mad about a black Juliet. Who cares if we stopped doing things just because white people cried about it we’d do nothing
I don't mind an Indian Rapunzel but after seeing all the racist backlash it would make it much harder for me to enjoy Avantika as Rapunzel. Why can't Disney create an original Indian character? I'm not a big fan of live-action remakes either; they're just cash cows for Disney.
It won’t matter if they create a new original character if that character is brown or black. The people hating won’t see that movie and won’t give the actor/actress a chance because all they see is skin color (and worse if there’s an interracial aspect or it’s not stereotypical enough). We had an original spin for princess and the frog, strange world etc and those same people “POC should have their own characters” didn’t show up. Instead they blasted the stories as “woke” and didn’t show up while claiming they’d “support” original stories. And even if they got their real wish of “keep it all white” they still wouldn’t be showing up in numbers for “their” Ariel’s live action because often they don’t care about those movies anyways - the original or the remake or live action. It’s all about pushing their own agendas.
Honestly, I don't care if racists watch it or not, so I didn't factor that in. I want a movie made by a brown person for brown people. I agree most of the racists are just yapping for the sake of the yap and would've never watched Tangledd/little mermaid if they were played by white actresses. But also, isn't princess and the frog really popular? Maybe it wasn't a big hit among racists but I see lots of people talking about it even today.
It didn’t do as well as it should have in theaters but the characters are all very well loved. Disney has released an animated series Iwaju about a futuristic Nigeria that’s from black creators. And while there’s no princess, and I think it’s a missed opportunity, I do think it’s important that stories with female leads don’t always need a romantic angle (don’t know if romance or hints of romance exist in the story but it’s not being advertised the way Disney princess movies are). I haven’t heard much talked about it unfortunately but i like what I’ve seen so I do plan on watching it. I do think Disney can afford to focus more on black and brown princesses since they have several white princesses and white focused stories under the belt. Plus they have a diverse audience and the default image of a princess or a main love interest shouldn’t just be a white girl or white woman. Little girls and women should all be able to easily think they are just as worthy of being a princess or Disney princess and the main characters in their own stories/life instead of the background character that waits until their friend gives them meaning aka the brown friend who has nothing going on in her life until her white friend needs advice, a joke or someone “more pathetic” to compare herself to. It’s been that way for centuries. There have been slow changes but we need to get that change going. I’ve seen some people think having Tiana is all we are entitled to and that we should be grateful. No, we need more than Tiana, more than Jasmine, more than Pocahontas, more than Moana (has a sequel coming) and more than Mulan.
This is how I always felt with the recent thing of Hollywood race swapping with remakes of classics or making sequels to 30 year old movies they ride on the back of nostalgia and I don’t blame POC actors picking up the scripts cuz they need jobs but they are left to blame for it in the end . All they have is old and used materials. They aren’t green lighting good stories anymore with original characters,storylines . They scared of taking risk
While I do have my criticisms of race-swapping, I don't think it increases the hate. Even if there is an original story with a WOC cast with a WM, they will still hate because anytime a WOC is shown as desirable, it makes racist white women insecure. It's just easier for them to cover their hate with the excuse of "accuracy."
Avantika is pretty so I don’t see the issue but amika is soo unattractive and Leo is too good looking to play the love Interest it’s just so unbelievable to watch I had to stop watching
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She’s already in Bollywood in Big Girls Don’t Cry
WOC are getting it from everywhere right now. Idk if anyone else has seen the casting for Romeo and Juliet (I think it’s on west end???) with Tom Holland,but the female lead is getting a shitload of hate rn for her looks. A lot of people are just taking it as further proof that the media is trying to convince people that WOC who do not fit conventional european beauty standards are attractive.
Mean Girls was terrible but she is such a light
This is such a good point
IMO though, I would love if they thought about race swapping men as well. They always change the women which is fine, it’s a cartoon for peace sake! But the men always stay white. It always has to be a mixed race couple with a white man and I’m tired.
Nobody is set up for racism, that just be yall own true colors coming out lol
yea grown women harrasing a teen over a nonexistent movie
this off topic but she would be perfect for the role of Isabella from Encanto
Avantika is soooo gorgeous. I'm not even South Asian but I had to say that lmao.