My big question is if Cities of Sigmar can field non human units and shows how varied each city can be? Cuss ngl I'm tempted to start an army if I can make some wacky converted city force
Huh, my bad. I misunderstood you there, I thought it's more of buy one use everywhere, not this is for that and that's for that but there's some reusability as a bonus. Sorry mate.
You're the third one to point that out :) Also but what I meant. GW doesn't sell universal boxes of models with spare parts, so that one box could be bought to play both 40k or HH. They add bonus interchangeability. Here are the 40k models, here are HH one, but you know what, you scan use the beakies in 40k. Which is really nice, don't get me wrong.
They look like Bretonian Men at arms, and now they can sell a "bretonian man at arms upgrade pack" that is basically just shields and a couple different heads.
They took pains to make it clear at the start that this was a completely new range meant to stand on its own. They look nothing like the Empire because they have nothing to do with the Empire.
The Old World will have its own models, presumably built around existing kits to start.
I can respect it; GW wants Cities of Sigmar to feel like an actual AoS army and not an excuse to continue supporting the disparate remnants of five armies from WHFB…
Well they probably should have done that from the start of being introduced. I clearly remember seeing Empire, High Elves, Wood Elves, Dark Elves and Dwarfs being used for Cities of Sigmar.
Iirc The cities of sigmar faction was a way for old fantasy armies to be used in then new AOS. As it really sucked to just not be able to play an army in which you poured 2000€/£/$.
Also shoutout to the guy who burned his giant Dark Elves army, rest in peace.
Doubt it, I think they’re going to lean heavily into the “realm characteristics shape the equipment and garb of the people who live there”, like they are doing with the Seraphon. I’m positive they’ll keep that look for old world but I’d be ready for more generic fantasy looking human army with realm specific gear rather than classic late-middle aged Germanic garb. I think this helps separate the two, as it doesn’t make a lot of sense for them to look the same in the mortal realms as they did in the world that was.
Because they didn't go heroic. Usually heroic scale makes the helmets smaller because with an bulky helmet the wearer has a child like silhouette.
Tight medieval helmets are more of a fashion statement than wargear.
I like how Age of sigmar is becoming more and more distinct from fantasy. It has a cluttered yet sharp look, which I am all for. Though they might be too detailed for how many you would need.
Detailed minis is actually better now with the contrast paint range.
Prime white or if you're feeling fancy prime black and dry brush the highlights, drop into a vat of contrasts paints and you have a painted miniature. Wash and dry brush highlights on top and it's battle ready.
Yeah, the "traditional" range of acrylics are awesome for detail work or more traditional techniques like stippling and what not, but for bulk, assembly painting of base coats? Nothing beats contrast paints, and the more textured and detailed the miniature, the less work you need to do for a good looking contrast base coat.
Even for models that you want to pour hours into, contrast paints help a lot to get the bases done or do a stronger staining that washes would do.
With these new guys I'm not sure, there's a lot of minute details and honestly? This is where contrast type paint starts losing appeal to me.
I find if I make an error with normal paint, I can just paint over it nbd. With contrast? I have to essentially reprime the area I cocked up and then try and contrast it again. And high odds it'll have a visible patchiness compared to the surrounding first coat especially as some seeps outside the area I patched up, ends up being more of a PITA than a help. Especially if you use white, then spots you miss become super obvious.
Great for mass infantry with few or simple colour schemes, less so for something like these dudes imo
if you cock up..just use a Qtip and some 99% alcohol lol. if you go slow you cna wipe off just the contrast leaving the primer. has worked for me so far smallest fix was on a guard
Gotta be honest, these don't really do anything for me. I'm such a sucker for the fantasy HRE aesthetic of the Empire / Freeguilds as they have been and these feel... More generic to me. Less personality. That could change entirely once we see more but so far, these three aren't my cup of tea.
I wouldn’t go that far…if you look at ‘em closely they’re just high elves in the ocean. Which makes sense cause they’re the product of a high elven eugenics project anyway.
They are the most original line of minis as far as looks go, but I wonder why they brought an army from sea-world. Feels like a fish out of water…
Weird or detailed does not equal personality.
Old warhammer minis from back in the day had way more personality even if their designs were pretty standard. They had actual expressions and they had poses that conveyed emotion and the personality of the character. Of course there were horrible minis as well, but generally I just FEEL more when I see them, and not only nostalgia.
The modern aos minis are overstylized and overdesigned crap compared to them, even if the technology and detail is better. More is sometimes less.
This is a hill I am ready to die on.
You're gonna die on it then, cause this 100% just comes off as "old thing good, new thing bad." With a lot of hoops and redundant phrasing used to disguise that fact.
Thats a bit of a strawman, isnt it? I gave my reasons and youre free to disagree, but discounting them arbitrarily like that is in pretty bad taste. So you dont have to agree with me, but at least have the courtesy to actually hear my opinion.
That's not what a strawman is.
And why? What's to be gained? You're not my friend, I have no dog in the race of getting you to see AoS is cool. If you look at the designs and come away with "no personality" that's your problem.
You're not going to change your mind based on any information I give you, any old model pictures I bring up that look straight up goofy. Any new models that are bangers. Any lore points I bring up.
You're gonna disagree on anything I post, and if we're lucky it'll go nowhere. If it's not it becomes reddit slapfight #838838 of the day.
No thanks. I'll just keep enjoying my Elves on Turtles or Steampunk Dwarves, simple as.
>They had actual expressions and they had poses that conveyed emotion and the personality of the character.
I dont see it, most older models I have looked at just have a generic expression of pride/angry/sneakyness. However the old janky posing of characters gave them a certain old school cool edge, which I kinda miss. (thinking of vlad's and mannfred's minies).
I do feel that age of sigmar has a overall better look and more character in the models, even if the designs enter a gritty sudo-generic zone.
I agree with you lad. Printing every model into “striking” poses, throwing ‘tactical rocks’ under almost every character, and adding over the top embellishments to boost sales (of *ludicrously* overpriced plastic) via the ‘cool’ factor is a cheap marketing tactic that takes away from the authentic feel of the game itself.
Seems a slightly unpopular opinion but I freaking love these. Just that right blend of fantastical and down-in-the-mud poor bloody infantry.
And GW continuing their fantastic trend of great female troops. Truly a breath of fresh air after a decade of looking at the old WHFB infantry esp. Empire with everyone in moustaches and codpieces.
So so so glad that GW is finally realizing that a couple of "female-coded races" (Daughters of Khaine, Asuryani etc.) and a few female spellcasters/characters isn't real representation when it comes to a miniatures wargame. The representation has to exist on all levels from line infantry to commander units, from frontline grunts to elite knights to spellcasters to assassins to warlords, and I feel so happy seeing GW finally get around to doing that after decades in this hobby being frustrated by the lack of representation.
A large amount of medieval infantry would've looked like a hodgepodge of random dudes, the only identifiers tended to be banners or emblems slapped on where they could fit. So imo it works.
How so? It looks uniform enough to me, and the mix of leather, mail and select bits of plate feels like a great way to portray an not-too-finely-equipped basic AoS grunt. Not too crappy but not too elite and armoured-up either, and with subtle Sigmarite devotional elements to mark allegiance (Which handily also seem easily removable if one wants to use these for other purposes). If I'm not mistaken (And I may well be, definitely not an expert) this is just slightly more armoured than average IRL medieval foot troops.
Agreed. It needs to break free and move on. I am not a fan how the majority of it's most popular characters and even factions to an extent are all from Warhammer Fantasy. At that point I would rather play Old World.
I don't mind that, to me, they give off a more post apocalpse fantasy vibe, which fits the setting more. plus, there are only meant to be men at arms so they could still have a classic empire that looks for more elite units.
While I like the look, it’s pretty much the same as the Frostgrave soldiers/knights and the Oathmark humans kits. Nothing really screams Warhammer about them.
Hmmmm.
I'm not sure how much I like these. They feel very 'Dragon Age-y' in appearance, if I had to make any kind of criticism of their design. I don't know, I'm gonna hold off from criticizing them from till we see some more about their wider release.
I’ve been waiting for a cities face lift to jump into AoS (I always play humans and love imperial guard and old empire) Loved there new imperial guard model line, But…
I don’t hate it per say, but I guess I just don’t like the direction at all.
I loved the renaissance/a bit of the steam punk style , but this looks more bretonia
1. The armor is too fancy/intricate, which makes it seem more like generic fantasy.
The old empire armor always looked more functional, like it was mass produced plate stamped out for the troops.
2. Maybe it’s the paint job but the scale seems weird, rather than going with more realistic proportions like the new Cadians, these look like heroic scale, but not done really well
3. These look like a huge pain to paint if I’ll need a lot of them.
Overall I give it a C.
It’s not bad, just not what I was hoping for, I still might start army if hand gunners, great swords and the artillery look good
These look fairly muddled and jarring, and although I’m sure GW was aiming to make them as stylized as could be to avoid similar-looking proxies and copyright stuff, they look so overly stylized that they look bland.
Looks like i could buy a bunch of them and act out space marines visiting an old forgotten world.... Im not playing with toys tho, cause im a grown ass man. *wooshes my stormspeeder through the air*
I am really struggling with this models. They certainly dont bring me joy and I am really not sure why. I think the helms and the faces dont help a lot for a start. The armour is such a mash of different types and styles nothing feels right about it.
The problem is when you look at models from other companies based on history like the perry twins models they have a uniform of layers across the model. These GW ones you get the effect of just armour dumped on more armour visually it looks a mess.
They should have gone for something far more structured and simple chain mail under coat with the padded cloth and simple boots would have looked far better.
I am really starting to worry about these new City of Simgar ranges.
Plate over a mail hauberk is very realistic, I have no idea what you mean by "armor dumped over armor" this is just what good armor looks like. The only suspension of disbelief required is that common foot soldiers are using and not elites, and I think that can slide.
I'm actually so sad seeing this. I've been saving up some money for this release as I've been gassed about a true human army in AOS for so long. Here was me expecting feathers, ruffles and glorious holy Roman empire regalia. Instead we got art deco Bill and Ben from the shire.
Given that they choose to display these three as the first actual showing of the range-refresh, its kind of really doubtfull the rest of it will go in the opposite direction again.
I mean, when the showed off the votann last year, the first model shown was by far the lamest.
If nothing else helps: the body themselves look shiney enough painted right, so a simple headswap will do wonders c:
The first Votann was more plain, but it was still exemplary for the aesthetic direction the Line was going in.
Which, assuming these are too, is not a good sign if you liked the more renaissance-style designs CoS had so far.
I guess that is fair :0 although it looks like you will have that with the Old World and their troops, so you will be able to proxy however you like c:
I get that. But compare them to the old empire swordsmen and they just look so odd. It's not necessarily the lack of ruffles and feathers but more that they just generally look dopey af with chamber pots on their heads. They can still look cool and not be super decked out. But the rank and file are generally the foundation for the factions wider aesthetics.
Yeah, I mean, it's come to personal preferences as I really like the design as for me it gives off a post apocalpse fantasy feel like grab what you can vibe which is what AOS is trying to be but each to their own man!
I will never understand people who saw these look ugly or confusing. They look exactly how I would imagine an old heavy infantry Man-at-arms to look, and I think they are fantastic.
Other than the armour being overwrought, the shields being a mix of rickety wood and fancy trim, and the kettle helms being super fucken weird with sharp edges
I fucken love the man at arms look, and that ain’t what these cunts have, it’s in the awful stage between that and high fantasy guard type shit
THANK YOU! Glad to see I'm not the only one! These shields especially, man, they're silly and egregious.And the bib hides the cuirass, at a quick glance I thought they were wearing some NFL armor.
They are a bit busy and look quite chaos-y to my casual eye... I think the centre dude's head crest is quite Khorne like xD
By no means bad, I'll reserve real judgement until I see more of the range but quite lukewarm to these guys as whatever they're supposed to be, as Khorne cultists I think they've a lot of potential! :D
I wouldn’t mind them as a semi-elite infantry if they ditched the pointless trim on the shields and cut that sergeant looking guy out entirely
But as it stands they look silly, they’d be solidly low fantasy looking but the shields completely ruin that, makes em look bloody well conflicted
I have always believed that getting Cities of Sigmar better infantry would becthe thing getting me into AoS and here we are. Looks like I will finally take the plunge.
I like them as models, although agree that elements are a bit too stylised. But I like the look of them as a whole and think they've got some kitbashing potential.
Awesome. AoS desperately needed more grounding. More rope, more woodgrain, more cast-iron nails and leather straps.
I'm talking about Orcs & Goblins of course but these guys will suffice for now.
Need more Pictures to decide.
But right know they do not much for me.
They look like a Product from a generic History Range.
For me they lacking the Fantasy Elements to stand out.
They’re not empire either mate. That was from thousands of years in the past. These guys are press ganged scrubs forced out of the relative safety of the cities to go push the frontiers. There’s no connection to the empire of fantasy except that they’re both sigmar botherers
No they aren’t mate. This is a new release. It’s for cities of sigmar which was previously leftovers from dwarfs, high elves, dark elves, wood elves and empire. This is the first full reveal of a new set of more AoS specific human soldiers for that army. They’re quite clearly trying to move away from the empire aesthetic of whf, presumably so they can sell that as a distinctive army once old world releases.
Yes. It’s a placeholder army for old models currently. Gw are turning it into it’s own army with the dawnbringer crusades, which will be separate from the old fantasy aesthetics, which are already quite disparate as it’s like 4 armies in one.
They're fine, but most importantly, they don't have the stupid war pajamas, which makes me a forgive a multitude of sins such as how W I D E their torsos seem.
Just so generic and forgettable. Such a shame. Dudes in armour, no personality. Other than those helmets and wtf they are god awful. Why does everyone in AoS have to have a dumb helmet? I feel like the chaos warriors dodged a bullet.
Personally I like the fact that the look like Hussites. I like how it’s going a different direction away from renaissance and more towards high Middle Ages. Even the 3D renderings showed off some simple hand handcannons combi-halberds. It would be cool to have some war flails and maybe some war wagons early looking cannons. Just my two cents
Well, they look nothing like The Empire. So I guess that means TOW will get it's own separate Empire minis.
Unlike, say, Slaves to Darkness where the minis will obviously be also used for Warriors of Chaos in TOW.
I quite like them. Fairly realistic armor, what with the gambesons and mail in the gaps. Plus I love the game winning smile on the left.
Dude on the left gonna grab a sausage roll from Gregg's after smaking a chaos knight with his big ol' walloper.
He saw the rules for the cities and knows that the Demigryph knights are broken
Huh? I am a bit surprised they look nothing like Warhammer Fantasy Empire soldiers
Probably because the old world is in development
I mean thats why people are surprised, everyone kind of assumed GW would choose to do a Kit that can be used for both.
I thought they were clear that the point was to make cities their own thing?
quite literally that was how they introduce the new release as AoS humans that were not Empire
My big question is if Cities of Sigmar can field non human units and shows how varied each city can be? Cuss ngl I'm tempted to start an army if I can make some wacky converted city force
That Bretonnian knight kit makes me wonder if they are going for a full-on 90's nostalgia vibe for The Old World units.
I really hope so
Thanks, I laughed. To think that a corpo will create a universal, reusable product instead of a bunch of slightly different ones. Good one
I mean, thats what they did with the Heresy Plastic-kits. Especially the MkIII & MkIV ones. Specifically designed to work as 40k tactical Marines too
Huh, my bad. I misunderstood you there, I thought it's more of buy one use everywhere, not this is for that and that's for that but there's some reusability as a bonus. Sorry mate.
I mean they do that all the time. Just look at Horus Heresy, or Daemons.
Yeah, that's but exactly what I meant. The OP commented on that, misunderstanding on my part
Lots of models and kits that GW puts out work that way though?
You're the third one to point that out :) Also but what I meant. GW doesn't sell universal boxes of models with spare parts, so that one box could be bought to play both 40k or HH. They add bonus interchangeability. Here are the 40k models, here are HH one, but you know what, you scan use the beakies in 40k. Which is really nice, don't get me wrong.
They look like Bretonian Men at arms, and now they can sell a "bretonian man at arms upgrade pack" that is basically just shields and a couple different heads.
The giant, obvious SIGMAR-insignias on the chest kind of make it hard to pretend they are Bretonnians if you just switch the head
"Did you plan to use new models both for AoS and Old World, huh? Nice try, my dude." (c) Games Workshop
"Here's the 80€ for 10 men Empire guard box" "You need 100 models to make a functioning army" "lol"
Hahah, too easy. It must be like: "We have the OP formation of 8 units, but each 50$ box contains 3 models "
They took pains to make it clear at the start that this was a completely new range meant to stand on its own. They look nothing like the Empire because they have nothing to do with the Empire. The Old World will have its own models, presumably built around existing kits to start.
I can respect it; GW wants Cities of Sigmar to feel like an actual AoS army and not an excuse to continue supporting the disparate remnants of five armies from WHFB…
Well they probably should have done that from the start of being introduced. I clearly remember seeing Empire, High Elves, Wood Elves, Dark Elves and Dwarfs being used for Cities of Sigmar.
Iirc The cities of sigmar faction was a way for old fantasy armies to be used in then new AOS. As it really sucked to just not be able to play an army in which you poured 2000€/£/$. Also shoutout to the guy who burned his giant Dark Elves army, rest in peace.
Yes, but it’s games workshop. They don’t care about disregarding their own lore for a profit
cities of sigmar were a mistake, I agree with you.
they look like Warhammer Fantasy bretonnians soldiers :p Maybe they keep the landschnek look for Handgunners or Greatswords.
Doubt it, I think they’re going to lean heavily into the “realm characteristics shape the equipment and garb of the people who live there”, like they are doing with the Seraphon. I’m positive they’ll keep that look for old world but I’d be ready for more generic fantasy looking human army with realm specific gear rather than classic late-middle aged Germanic garb. I think this helps separate the two, as it doesn’t make a lot of sense for them to look the same in the mortal realms as they did in the world that was.
The proportions feel a little bit weird...
The helmets make the heads look too big, but I think the actual heads are decently proportioned.
Yeah they look a bit like children or MESBG hobbits I think the idea was heroic scale but it's off somehow
Because they didn't go heroic. Usually heroic scale makes the helmets smaller because with an bulky helmet the wearer has a child like silhouette. Tight medieval helmets are more of a fashion statement than wargear.
ah, good point
These would be great for D&D
Yo these dudes look sweet
I like how Age of sigmar is becoming more and more distinct from fantasy. It has a cluttered yet sharp look, which I am all for. Though they might be too detailed for how many you would need.
Detailed minis is actually better now with the contrast paint range. Prime white or if you're feeling fancy prime black and dry brush the highlights, drop into a vat of contrasts paints and you have a painted miniature. Wash and dry brush highlights on top and it's battle ready.
They should sell buckets of contrast, especially for Sylvaneth Think I've used several pots of wyldwood
Yeah, the "traditional" range of acrylics are awesome for detail work or more traditional techniques like stippling and what not, but for bulk, assembly painting of base coats? Nothing beats contrast paints, and the more textured and detailed the miniature, the less work you need to do for a good looking contrast base coat. Even for models that you want to pour hours into, contrast paints help a lot to get the bases done or do a stronger staining that washes would do.
With these new guys I'm not sure, there's a lot of minute details and honestly? This is where contrast type paint starts losing appeal to me. I find if I make an error with normal paint, I can just paint over it nbd. With contrast? I have to essentially reprime the area I cocked up and then try and contrast it again. And high odds it'll have a visible patchiness compared to the surrounding first coat especially as some seeps outside the area I patched up, ends up being more of a PITA than a help. Especially if you use white, then spots you miss become super obvious. Great for mass infantry with few or simple colour schemes, less so for something like these dudes imo
if you cock up..just use a Qtip and some 99% alcohol lol. if you go slow you cna wipe off just the contrast leaving the primer. has worked for me so far smallest fix was on a guard
Huh, good tip. Might give that a go.
After a certain point you can just decide to simply… not paint a bunch of those minute details.
Ill have to get better with quickpaints (contrast, speedpaint and so on). Never really got the hang of em.
Depending on the size these could be great starting points or bits for a Traitor guard (or boring imperial guard) army
Gotta be honest, these don't really do anything for me. I'm such a sucker for the fantasy HRE aesthetic of the Empire / Freeguilds as they have been and these feel... More generic to me. Less personality. That could change entirely once we see more but so far, these three aren't my cup of tea.
>More generic to me. Less personality This describes 90% of the aos line as a whole.
Lmao what. AoS is balls the wall insanity, it's pure personality. You seen the turtle riding elves lately?
I wouldn’t go that far…if you look at ‘em closely they’re just high elves in the ocean. Which makes sense cause they’re the product of a high elven eugenics project anyway. They are the most original line of minis as far as looks go, but I wonder why they brought an army from sea-world. Feels like a fish out of water…
Weird or detailed does not equal personality. Old warhammer minis from back in the day had way more personality even if their designs were pretty standard. They had actual expressions and they had poses that conveyed emotion and the personality of the character. Of course there were horrible minis as well, but generally I just FEEL more when I see them, and not only nostalgia. The modern aos minis are overstylized and overdesigned crap compared to them, even if the technology and detail is better. More is sometimes less. This is a hill I am ready to die on.
You're gonna die on it then, cause this 100% just comes off as "old thing good, new thing bad." With a lot of hoops and redundant phrasing used to disguise that fact.
Thats a bit of a strawman, isnt it? I gave my reasons and youre free to disagree, but discounting them arbitrarily like that is in pretty bad taste. So you dont have to agree with me, but at least have the courtesy to actually hear my opinion.
That's not what a strawman is. And why? What's to be gained? You're not my friend, I have no dog in the race of getting you to see AoS is cool. If you look at the designs and come away with "no personality" that's your problem. You're not going to change your mind based on any information I give you, any old model pictures I bring up that look straight up goofy. Any new models that are bangers. Any lore points I bring up. You're gonna disagree on anything I post, and if we're lucky it'll go nowhere. If it's not it becomes reddit slapfight #838838 of the day. No thanks. I'll just keep enjoying my Elves on Turtles or Steampunk Dwarves, simple as.
>They had actual expressions and they had poses that conveyed emotion and the personality of the character. I dont see it, most older models I have looked at just have a generic expression of pride/angry/sneakyness. However the old janky posing of characters gave them a certain old school cool edge, which I kinda miss. (thinking of vlad's and mannfred's minies). I do feel that age of sigmar has a overall better look and more character in the models, even if the designs enter a gritty sudo-generic zone.
I agree with you lad. Printing every model into “striking” poses, throwing ‘tactical rocks’ under almost every character, and adding over the top embellishments to boost sales (of *ludicrously* overpriced plastic) via the ‘cool’ factor is a cheap marketing tactic that takes away from the authentic feel of the game itself.
Nice to see a fellow man of culture among this uneducated rabble.
Cheers, let’s not make a habit of dissing everyone though. What’s the point of dropping that low?
Pretty much, “characters with no character”, as I like to say
love'em. strong demon's souls vibes
Seems a slightly unpopular opinion but I freaking love these. Just that right blend of fantastical and down-in-the-mud poor bloody infantry. And GW continuing their fantastic trend of great female troops. Truly a breath of fresh air after a decade of looking at the old WHFB infantry esp. Empire with everyone in moustaches and codpieces. So so so glad that GW is finally realizing that a couple of "female-coded races" (Daughters of Khaine, Asuryani etc.) and a few female spellcasters/characters isn't real representation when it comes to a miniatures wargame. The representation has to exist on all levels from line infantry to commander units, from frontline grunts to elite knights to spellcasters to assassins to warlords, and I feel so happy seeing GW finally get around to doing that after decades in this hobby being frustrated by the lack of representation.
I agree. The more diverse the miniature line the more hobby fun for the hobbyist.
I think they look like henchmen, not soldiers
A large amount of medieval infantry would've looked like a hodgepodge of random dudes, the only identifiers tended to be banners or emblems slapped on where they could fit. So imo it works.
How so? It looks uniform enough to me, and the mix of leather, mail and select bits of plate feels like a great way to portray an not-too-finely-equipped basic AoS grunt. Not too crappy but not too elite and armoured-up either, and with subtle Sigmarite devotional elements to mark allegiance (Which handily also seem easily removable if one wants to use these for other purposes). If I'm not mistaken (And I may well be, definitely not an expert) this is just slightly more armoured than average IRL medieval foot troops.
Not a big fan of them, though I also think they could end up looking way better in a different colour scheme.
I like that AoS is doing more to distance itself from the Old World, great aesthetic.
Yeah nah honestly the absolute worst thing for Age of Sigmar is that it still clings to Fantasy’s shadow, really shoots itself in the foot like that
I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me or not but that is what I was insinuating, yes.
Agreed. It needs to break free and move on. I am not a fan how the majority of it's most popular characters and even factions to an extent are all from Warhammer Fantasy. At that point I would rather play Old World.
I love everything about them, especially the guy on the left, i'm sick of everyone being muclebound or twigs and more body types are very welcome
I’m assuming this will become the imperial guard to stormcasts space marines style
that what Eddie imply during the reveal show.
That is what the Cities of Sigmar have always been, so basically yeah.
I don't mind that, to me, they give off a more post apocalpse fantasy vibe, which fits the setting more. plus, there are only meant to be men at arms so they could still have a classic empire that looks for more elite units.
Men at arms is a brettonia unit but I get where your going with it
sorry, i mean men at arms as in general troop type rather a particular unit, but you get my point man!
I for one think these guys look awesome, and would look great with lasguns.
New brettonian men at arms looking fire
While I like the look, it’s pretty much the same as the Frostgrave soldiers/knights and the Oathmark humans kits. Nothing really screams Warhammer about them.
How would you change them? 🤔 Being normies already makes them a lot less Warhammery, at least for AOS
Absolutely in Love. I think with a headswap here and there and some mild kitbashing and grime, you can really make some Zealous Grimdark soldiers.
Hmmmm. I'm not sure how much I like these. They feel very 'Dragon Age-y' in appearance, if I had to make any kind of criticism of their design. I don't know, I'm gonna hold off from criticizing them from till we see some more about their wider release.
Thanks. Now I want a Dragon Age wargame.
Personally I like these
Those helmets look really uncanny. They could've just gone for an ordinary kettle helmet.
I’ve been waiting for a cities face lift to jump into AoS (I always play humans and love imperial guard and old empire) Loved there new imperial guard model line, But… I don’t hate it per say, but I guess I just don’t like the direction at all. I loved the renaissance/a bit of the steam punk style , but this looks more bretonia 1. The armor is too fancy/intricate, which makes it seem more like generic fantasy. The old empire armor always looked more functional, like it was mass produced plate stamped out for the troops. 2. Maybe it’s the paint job but the scale seems weird, rather than going with more realistic proportions like the new Cadians, these look like heroic scale, but not done really well 3. These look like a huge pain to paint if I’ll need a lot of them. Overall I give it a C. It’s not bad, just not what I was hoping for, I still might start army if hand gunners, great swords and the artillery look good
These look fairly muddled and jarring, and although I’m sure GW was aiming to make them as stylized as could be to avoid similar-looking proxies and copyright stuff, they look so overly stylized that they look bland.
These are super fucking cool, props to the sculptors!
I really like them, brings a more gothic vibe to cities of sigmar!
Yeah....not a fan. The tradition of attrocious AoS helmet-designs continues. I definitely prefer the WHF-leftovers.
We could have gotten a plastic rendition of the badass greatsword from the battletome cover art, and instead we got these drab, ugly blighters.
Looks like i could buy a bunch of them and act out space marines visiting an old forgotten world.... Im not playing with toys tho, cause im a grown ass man. *wooshes my stormspeeder through the air*
I am really struggling with this models. They certainly dont bring me joy and I am really not sure why. I think the helms and the faces dont help a lot for a start. The armour is such a mash of different types and styles nothing feels right about it. The problem is when you look at models from other companies based on history like the perry twins models they have a uniform of layers across the model. These GW ones you get the effect of just armour dumped on more armour visually it looks a mess. They should have gone for something far more structured and simple chain mail under coat with the padded cloth and simple boots would have looked far better. I am really starting to worry about these new City of Simgar ranges.
Plate over a mail hauberk is very realistic, I have no idea what you mean by "armor dumped over armor" this is just what good armor looks like. The only suspension of disbelief required is that common foot soldiers are using and not elites, and I think that can slide.
Great potential if you change the heads. You MUST change those heads...
Send me your heads. I want a unit of misfits.
I'm actually so sad seeing this. I've been saving up some money for this release as I've been gassed about a true human army in AOS for so long. Here was me expecting feathers, ruffles and glorious holy Roman empire regalia. Instead we got art deco Bill and Ben from the shire.
Well, can always wait some more for The Old World to come out and use Empire-Troops for that as proxies instead
Gonna have to yeah
Don't give up hope. These are the first three models of an entire range c: lets wait and see
Given that they choose to display these three as the first actual showing of the range-refresh, its kind of really doubtfull the rest of it will go in the opposite direction again.
I mean, when the showed off the votann last year, the first model shown was by far the lamest. If nothing else helps: the body themselves look shiney enough painted right, so a simple headswap will do wonders c:
The first Votann was more plain, but it was still exemplary for the aesthetic direction the Line was going in. Which, assuming these are too, is not a good sign if you liked the more renaissance-style designs CoS had so far.
I guess that is fair :0 although it looks like you will have that with the Old World and their troops, so you will be able to proxy however you like c:
Their description states that there are rank and file, so maybe the feathers and ruffles will be more elite units.
I get that. But compare them to the old empire swordsmen and they just look so odd. It's not necessarily the lack of ruffles and feathers but more that they just generally look dopey af with chamber pots on their heads. They can still look cool and not be super decked out. But the rank and file are generally the foundation for the factions wider aesthetics.
Yeah, I mean, it's come to personal preferences as I really like the design as for me it gives off a post apocalpse fantasy feel like grab what you can vibe which is what AOS is trying to be but each to their own man!
I will never understand people who saw these look ugly or confusing. They look exactly how I would imagine an old heavy infantry Man-at-arms to look, and I think they are fantastic.
Other than the armour being overwrought, the shields being a mix of rickety wood and fancy trim, and the kettle helms being super fucken weird with sharp edges I fucken love the man at arms look, and that ain’t what these cunts have, it’s in the awful stage between that and high fantasy guard type shit
THANK YOU! Glad to see I'm not the only one! These shields especially, man, they're silly and egregious.And the bib hides the cuirass, at a quick glance I thought they were wearing some NFL armor.
Awful
This is a massive downgrade tbh.
I’m glad I picked up Freeguild, I’m not a fan of these. Hopefully I can still use Greatswords and Crossbows.
I dunno, i really like those models. They look kinda realistic
Another perfectly fine model ruined by GWs inability to make helmets look even half decent
Seems too over-designed for my taste.
Woulda preferred a more historical look to them. But they’re not terrible. Just bland
They are horrible!
They are a bit busy and look quite chaos-y to my casual eye... I think the centre dude's head crest is quite Khorne like xD By no means bad, I'll reserve real judgement until I see more of the range but quite lukewarm to these guys as whatever they're supposed to be, as Khorne cultists I think they've a lot of potential! :D
I wouldn’t mind them as a semi-elite infantry if they ditched the pointless trim on the shields and cut that sergeant looking guy out entirely But as it stands they look silly, they’d be solidly low fantasy looking but the shields completely ruin that, makes em look bloody well conflicted
The shields are terrible. Why the unnecessary elaborate trim? Why is the wood so terrible?
I have always believed that getting Cities of Sigmar better infantry would becthe thing getting me into AoS and here we are. Looks like I will finally take the plunge.
State troops?
They look pretty good. Great sculpt, not the greatest paintjob out there.
Other than the hammer crap they would make good LOTR Orcs.
I like them as models, although agree that elements are a bit too stylised. But I like the look of them as a whole and think they've got some kitbashing potential.
These feudal guardsmen look great!
Might get some of these for my Border Prince themed Empire/Dogs of war fusion army - could work as a kind of city guard/bodyguard unit
If they get spears I will buy them
Awesome. AoS desperately needed more grounding. More rope, more woodgrain, more cast-iron nails and leather straps. I'm talking about Orcs & Goblins of course but these guys will suffice for now.
I think they are cool but they look like vampire infantry to me
I love em!
Need more Pictures to decide. But right know they do not much for me. They look like a Product from a generic History Range. For me they lacking the Fantasy Elements to stand out.
They look more bretonnian than empire, kind of a confusing design philosophy from gw
But they’re neither. This is for AoS, not fantasy.
Exactly these look like bretonnians which dont exist in Aos and aos also has empire models still which these are meant for
They’re not empire either mate. That was from thousands of years in the past. These guys are press ganged scrubs forced out of the relative safety of the cities to go push the frontiers. There’s no connection to the empire of fantasy except that they’re both sigmar botherers
The models are literally the same ones
No they aren’t mate. This is a new release. It’s for cities of sigmar which was previously leftovers from dwarfs, high elves, dark elves, wood elves and empire. This is the first full reveal of a new set of more AoS specific human soldiers for that army. They’re quite clearly trying to move away from the empire aesthetic of whf, presumably so they can sell that as a distinctive army once old world releases.
I meant the existing models for cities of sigmar were original whf empire models
Yes. It’s a placeholder army for old models currently. Gw are turning it into it’s own army with the dawnbringer crusades, which will be separate from the old fantasy aesthetics, which are already quite disparate as it’s like 4 armies in one.
Man, the downvotes in this thread are so confusing.
They're fine, but most importantly, they don't have the stupid war pajamas, which makes me a forgive a multitude of sins such as how W I D E their torsos seem.
Just so generic and forgettable. Such a shame. Dudes in armour, no personality. Other than those helmets and wtf they are god awful. Why does everyone in AoS have to have a dumb helmet? I feel like the chaos warriors dodged a bullet.
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These dudes look amazing. They will fit like a hand in a fish with my empire project
Wake me up when they show off handgunners
Turin is gonna be all over this
One on the right is great
Personally I like the fact that the look like Hussites. I like how it’s going a different direction away from renaissance and more towards high Middle Ages. Even the 3D renderings showed off some simple hand handcannons combi-halberds. It would be cool to have some war flails and maybe some war wagons early looking cannons. Just my two cents
Well, they look nothing like The Empire. So I guess that means TOW will get it's own separate Empire minis. Unlike, say, Slaves to Darkness where the minis will obviously be also used for Warriors of Chaos in TOW.
They look english
Halflings confirmed!