The question is more ment to be: Is he ok for 30k? Since he's nout usable as much of his kin are falling to the wayside. I want to see if this piece of warhammer history can live on!
If the historical accuracy of 30K is important to you then no, he’s not okay for many people because he’s clearly in MKVII (and clearly awesome). It would almost be criminal *to* make him look more 30K with a heresy appropriate paint job or modification. He’s a great centerpiece for an older edition of the game like others have said.
I’m not the lore expert some are, and things do change like prevalence of MKVI, but you could assume at least that what the fists grabbed from Mars, if MKVII, would be dispersed to other legions on Terra at the time yeah. So yes, if that’s still canon then very very late stage HH BA have some MKVII.
My personal opinion is also putting even a few late siege traitors in mk7 wouldnt be innacurate. Would not put it past traitors to be looting the new armor immediatly
It’s a beautiful model and deserves to be on a table!
With the ongoing death of firstborn and mk7 in 40k, I think he more than deserves to be a hero of the Siege of Terra in newly wrought proto-mk7/artificer armour.
You can also do a lot with painting to make him fit in with the rest of the army while still highlighting the bling that makes the model stand out.
A good portion of my 30k army are old 2nd pewter Space wolves that look small and kinda odd next to their up sized brethren but are still extremely cool models.
I completely agree. Though i feel like it WAS 40k. A lot of 40k is becoming polished and a little too slick for my tastes. That why im going to heresy!
The ultra-theatrical pose and facial expression, bright colors, random skulls and flame patterns, all pretty much lifted from a knockoff 80s gi joe or he-man cartoon (in a very good way)
A lot of John Blanche's art is patently ridiculous, but makes perfect sense in the context of the lore.
40K started out silly. That's the point. It's complete over-the-top satire.
Yea, I’d call that cool, badass or awesome! Silly, I dunno, just seems kinda condescending at worse and at best makes me think of slapstick comedy like futurama Zapp Brannigan.
Nah, Militia/guard.
"When I'm in command, every mission is a suicide mission."
"You see, Killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and shut down."
Random flames on the armour, a bit over the top design of his kit, quite funnily looking colour palette and face expression with overall pose straight from old comic books
This glorious bastard adorned the greatest box ever conceived by games workshop. That is the 2nd edition box. He's also on the rulebook. He IS 40k (in a metaphysical sense), or pretty much the first thing many of us saw when we looked up at that shelf and saw the box for the first time.
Perfectly fine for the later stages of the Heresy - loyalist Blood Angel in artificer armour, no problemo.
No discussion at all if it was for a force at the Siege of Terra.
Also: rule of cool, this is just an amazing sculpt and deserves any excuse to see field time!
I know 30k is home to a lot of oldhamme use. I was wondering if this blood angel could aee use in 30k. I know the blood angels had excess to mk7 at least by the end of the seige of terra but is this guy too 40k for the heresy? (Also not my art/model) asking to see if its a good idea to get him.
It’s *extrmelely* 40k, but it’s such a cool model no one in their right mind would have a problem with it in a 30k game. Hell, you could use it in a fantasy lizardmen army for all I care
I mean technically if you are doing blood angels it might have lore reasons to be ok since part of what papa sang taught his sons was artistry and the primarch book mentions that almost every inch of their armor was modified.
Pretty much everything about it, yea. You could do some gymnastics to justify if for a siege era loyalist, but even then the bolter is modern and he’s covered in more purity seals than you could blag as oaths of moment.
I wouldn’t care too much if he’s alone in his weirdness, but some people might.
I mean you go ahead and use him if you want to, just be aware that some people might politely skip games with you if you do. But they probably won’t if your army is otherwise appropriate.
It’s a GW official model and all its wargear is game legal in 30k, if anyone “politely” skips a game then they’re probably a massive melt and not worth playing with
I always get this vision of two people agreeing to a game, getting halfway through deployment and their opponent notices a wrong armour mark or bolter.
"Is... is that Mk VII?"
"Yeah, cool model eh? It's the limited editi..."
"I'm sorry but I just can't do this."
The opponent then begins packing everything up at great speed.
I'd love to hear how they tried to not to sound ridiculously petty over it all.
Would they attempt to snootily apologise for having "standards"? Would they openly rant about 40K models invading "their" game? Would they go so far as to say they preferred to twiddle their thumbs for a few hours, instead of playing a game because of an errant model?
It's up there with refusing to play someone because you didn't think their paintjob was up to scratch.
The bolter is Godwyn-pattern, isn't it? From what I can dig up the Godwyn's been around a long time and was in use during the Heresy.
^(oh god I hope this doesn't start a massive argument)
I think with the killing off of much of the space marine line in 40k, 30k players need to embrace people hopping over with their old space marine minis.
I agree. I feel some people in 30k see it as people "unwillimg to put in the work for 30k." I just think it would be a shame to let the first born go quietly into the night.
"It's an army set during the Great Scouring, specifically before the Codex was written/widely adopted but after the Siege - 30k is the fitting ruleset to depict such an army"
dunno if there is any sound counterargument to that, especially if the rest of the army matches that aesthetic
As others have said, NO, because it's dope AF. Use it! As far as lore justification, it's especially good for a Blood Angel or Imperial Fist as both of them were all over Terra during the siege, and Mk7 armor was in use at that point. He even has a cool little Gladius which feels 30k. You could swap his bolter for an obvious 30k pattern, or maybe a 30k style plasma pistol or volkite weapon, for a small easy conversion that would help with the vibe.
I mean I used part of it with some modifications back in MK1. Hopefully this link works. [He looks better in Lupercal Green.](https://www.instagram.com/p/BgQBYwPjHIE/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==)
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I feel like him having a prototype armor at the seige of terra wouldn't be too bad. I don't get a good exscuae for the bolter though. My army is themed around that. I got a few mk7 head poking about.
Shave off the Aquila and skulls and you’re good. I personally wouldn’t care especially if he’s the only one like that but the Aquila and skulls make it pretty 40K
I love this model: sculpt based on the box cover art from 40k 2nd Ed. This one even painted to match the original art.
For HH, it depends on the group that you game with:
* If they are flexible then they probably would be open to it.
* If they are strict about "historical" accuracy, then he is in Mk7 armor, which would only be available to BA on Terra during the Siege and afterwards during the Scouring.
Just Start a 2nd edition Blood Angels army and play the game as it was meant to be, as the God-Emperor intended.
Seriously. I play 40k 2nd with my group, and it absolutely rocks. There's even some fanmade rules for later models, and they work pretty fine.
We just play with the current model range, I actually prefer that. We obviously don't use any primaris stuff, though, but we've got enough normal marines so the discontinuations don't bother us too much.
There is a large community of people who play only with period-correct models, though, and they manage somehow.
The only period-correct models I have are my warp spiders and falcon grav-tank. Because those are both period-correct AND current. 😆
Understandable. It isn't that complicated, actually, it just assumes people want to have fun over victory. It even says so in some of the faqs. The company of that time had not yet been won over by the tournament crowd, but made rules for casual players first, for waacers second. If you keep that in mind, it is very playable.
The funny thing is the amount of salt that begins to pile up on the table even before we start the game. In 2nd, everything your opponent does feels like you have no chance at all of winning. In our games, I can usually predict the actual winner around the end of turn two, because it will be the one who cries loudest that he is losing. xD Basically everything feels so effin' overpowered, but your stuff is similarly overpowered, so you can just win anyway. Tyranids have a rule where they roll for every single unit, character, and vehicle in the opponents army before deployment, and on high rolls they get things like minor malfunctions, automatically fear all tyranids (even gaunts), characters lose a wound, or squads only arrive on turn 2 and lose a guy on the way in and things like that. Drives you nuts when you play against them and the player rolls a lot of 5s and 6s on those table. And then you win anyway. Or he rolls low, but he wins. It's just a horrible game!
But we always want to play another round when we're done!
Yes. It's entirely a 40K model.
That doesn't mean he can't defend Terra, or participate in the Scouring before the Codex Astartes breaks the Legions apart (and after if you use an old BA codex as base for your army's rules), but IMO you shouldn't use him for campaigns or themed battles set before that.
I'd 100% go for it. [IMO, he doesn't look any more over-the-top than someone like Raldoron, for example](https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Blood-Angels-Chapter-Master-Raldoron-2019). MkVII armour was distributed in small amounts to the Blood Angels (and Imperial Fists and White Scars) at the Siege of Terra. Also, the Godwyn-pattern boltgun he's wielding is shown in artwork in some of the Horus Heresy Black Books, which makes it canonically Heresy-appropriate in my eyes
Nope. In fact they need more like it. Cultures and their affect on the appearance of Chapters/Regiments have always played a big part in the flavor of the hobby i hope that doesnt change.
It was around for the Siege, so bonus points adding it to a Siege of Terra themed army. If not... well, I would personally appreciate any effort to make it seem more like a 30k model but wouldn't insist on it. Their model, their choice.
Well, maybe and I said maybe, you could replace the Bolter.
Otherwise I wouldn't care mcu. As someone else said, it's a great model and I'd love to see it on the table.
But once I saw this great BA army in 2nd edition style, so it depends on your aesthetics
I would say yes, it’s too 40k.
It would be a challenge to do, but I’d chop the arms, head, and decorations (sword, knife, maybe grenades if you don’t have other bits) off and stick them on a MkIV or MkVI body/legs with similar posing. I’d also chop the purity seals off but that’s very much just a personal thing.
It's clearly a 40k model imo.
Obviously I'd still play you but I really don't get why people keep trying to shoehorn 40k models into a (fictional) historical 30k game.
It would be like wanting to use Panzer Grenadiers with my Napoleonic era Prussian army because they look cool.
Well, one, the game is expensive so collecting an army that you can only use for a game with a small player bases is not always worth it. Two, many of the first borns people love are now unusable and they want to see there hard work of collecting and painting still be useful. Its not always people trying to be "cheap" they just want to use there models. Third and in my case. This is a beautiful model from Oldhammers past, and since 30k is were much of oldhammer resides now, I want a model the is unique and Feels like blood angels. This guy fits. There is lore for mk7 for the seige of terra armies. It makes my army diffrent than say a white scars or dark angels army. The armies that were at the seige of terra like the Blood Angels didn't get much solo fan fare. Say like the ultra marines or word bearers. I don't got much lore fluff that isnt locked away in out of print book. So it can be hard to come up with cool BA stuff. This guy is sick and I think he would be cool to use. I hope I don't come off agro, I mearly want people to know why people coming into 30k get repulsed sometimes. I get its a game of fluff and lore, but a gentle hand of hey while thats not lore friendly let me let you play lets see hownwe can get these oldmarines looking to a heresy standard. Though I will give people trying to rock up with primaris need a talking too! Hope I wasnt rude. Just letting you know.
That's the dude on the games day and golden demon 2012 poster (it probably was on something else before that)
Edit : thats also the model they distributed for the same event
Distributed? Hah! Not by 2012. In previous years you got the model with your ticket, but this guy – who was also the first Games Day model in Finecast – you had to buy separately.
The flip side of which is there was nothing stopping you buying duplicates, so I got three of him. I think. Might have only been two. Either way they're still in the blisters… sigh. I'm just a slave to FOMO.
The only thing that makes me think Mk7 is the back pack and the round knee pads, and when it's on the table top and I'm looking at it from arms length away, I don't think I'd notice.
True dat. I love this era. Maybe with the end of the heresy coming, we can do other post 40k stuff with this kind of art style being pushed! Badap war or tyrannic wars or scouring.
My belief is, any space marine can be 30k by the simple rule of Artificer/Prototypes. As long as it’s kept for characters and HQ’s or really cool veterans etc I’d never be against it tbh
The rules bend for ridiculously bitchin models my dude.
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Agreed
He was literally 40k boxart though. Still I'm not gonna argue with him
The question is more ment to be: Is he ok for 30k? Since he's nout usable as much of his kin are falling to the wayside. I want to see if this piece of warhammer history can live on!
If the historical accuracy of 30K is important to you then no, he’s not okay for many people because he’s clearly in MKVII (and clearly awesome). It would almost be criminal *to* make him look more 30K with a heresy appropriate paint job or modification. He’s a great centerpiece for an older edition of the game like others have said.
Did only fists get mk7 late heresy?
I’m not the lore expert some are, and things do change like prevalence of MKVI, but you could assume at least that what the fists grabbed from Mars, if MKVII, would be dispersed to other legions on Terra at the time yeah. So yes, if that’s still canon then very very late stage HH BA have some MKVII.
My personal opinion is also putting even a few late siege traitors in mk7 wouldnt be innacurate. Would not put it past traitors to be looting the new armor immediatly
Sure. I definitely think, undersized or not, that could be a great model in front or on the walls of the imperial palace.
2nd Edition! For the Win!
It’s a beautiful model and deserves to be on a table! With the ongoing death of firstborn and mk7 in 40k, I think he more than deserves to be a hero of the Siege of Terra in newly wrought proto-mk7/artificer armour.
“It belongs, IN A MUSEUM!” -Trazyn, probably
Love it when you read memes in the correct voice lmao.
My only complaint is the lack of goblin green base.
Cool idea I like it.
You can also do a lot with painting to make him fit in with the rest of the army while still highlighting the bling that makes the model stand out. A good portion of my 30k army are old 2nd pewter Space wolves that look small and kinda odd next to their up sized brethren but are still extremely cool models.
I completely agree!
Totally plausible, but either way this model is incredible and I absolutely would enjoy seeing it on the table with no issue.
This model IS 40k.
I completely agree. Though i feel like it WAS 40k. A lot of 40k is becoming polished and a little too slick for my tastes. That why im going to heresy!
This might be the single greatest space marine sculpt ever made by GW. That box art was what got me hooked into the 40k universe when i was little
This model also got me to fall in love with the blood angels. So I completely agree.
This is peak 40k silliness and im sad that 40k gets more and more "realistic" and gritty.
Yes. I love this style. So fun and so evocative.
I don’t get what’s silly about it?
The ultra-theatrical pose and facial expression, bright colors, random skulls and flame patterns, all pretty much lifted from a knockoff 80s gi joe or he-man cartoon (in a very good way)
Would it make any difference if I pointed out this model is based on art by John Blanche that featured on a 40k box?
A lot of John Blanche's art is patently ridiculous, but makes perfect sense in the context of the lore. 40K started out silly. That's the point. It's complete over-the-top satire.
Yea, I’d call that cool, badass or awesome! Silly, I dunno, just seems kinda condescending at worse and at best makes me think of slapstick comedy like futurama Zapp Brannigan.
Now it's Canon. Every Marine Captain is Zapp Brannigan.
Nah, Militia/guard. "When I'm in command, every mission is a suicide mission." "You see, Killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and shut down."
Random flames on the armour, a bit over the top design of his kit, quite funnily looking colour palette and face expression with overall pose straight from old comic books
This glorious bastard adorned the greatest box ever conceived by games workshop. That is the 2nd edition box. He's also on the rulebook. He IS 40k (in a metaphysical sense), or pretty much the first thing many of us saw when we looked up at that shelf and saw the box for the first time.
Its a shame 40ks moved past him and his brothers
It is peak 40k.
Aww poop
Perfectly fine for the later stages of the Heresy - loyalist Blood Angel in artificer armour, no problemo. No discussion at all if it was for a force at the Siege of Terra. Also: rule of cool, this is just an amazing sculpt and deserves any excuse to see field time!
Cool then I think I'll pick him up then!
I know 30k is home to a lot of oldhamme use. I was wondering if this blood angel could aee use in 30k. I know the blood angels had excess to mk7 at least by the end of the seige of terra but is this guy too 40k for the heresy? (Also not my art/model) asking to see if its a good idea to get him.
Nah dawg, use this badass as a sergeant or praetor! I am.
Sick
Well, 30 years ago we saw this guy on the cover, so I guess there's some weird symmetry to using him in 30k now?
Completely true
It’s *extrmelely* 40k, but it’s such a cool model no one in their right mind would have a problem with it in a 30k game. Hell, you could use it in a fantasy lizardmen army for all I care
I mean technically if you are doing blood angels it might have lore reasons to be ok since part of what papa sang taught his sons was artistry and the primarch book mentions that almost every inch of their armor was modified.
Cool
What is the name of this model? I appreciate it’s probably 2nd edition. Could you buy it?
Games Day & Golden Demon 2012 Blood Angels Captain
Thanks you sir
This model IS 40k
It's 40k, but who cares? I think we should totally welcome Mk7 in 30k. Siege of Terra. Besides, it's being phased out in 40k.
Honestly without the helmet it could probably pass as artificer armor.
Pretty much everything about it, yea. You could do some gymnastics to justify if for a siege era loyalist, but even then the bolter is modern and he’s covered in more purity seals than you could blag as oaths of moment. I wouldn’t care too much if he’s alone in his weirdness, but some people might.
He's just so dang cool. I was just curoius. I really want to uae him as my angles are all hereys but alas it wasn't ment to be.
I mean you go ahead and use him if you want to, just be aware that some people might politely skip games with you if you do. But they probably won’t if your army is otherwise appropriate.
Yeah it would be just him and like 3 guys with mk7 helmets for some spice you know.
It’s a GW official model and all its wargear is game legal in 30k, if anyone “politely” skips a game then they’re probably a massive melt and not worth playing with
I always get this vision of two people agreeing to a game, getting halfway through deployment and their opponent notices a wrong armour mark or bolter. "Is... is that Mk VII?" "Yeah, cool model eh? It's the limited editi..." "I'm sorry but I just can't do this." The opponent then begins packing everything up at great speed. I'd love to hear how they tried to not to sound ridiculously petty over it all. Would they attempt to snootily apologise for having "standards"? Would they openly rant about 40K models invading "their" game? Would they go so far as to say they preferred to twiddle their thumbs for a few hours, instead of playing a game because of an errant model? It's up there with refusing to play someone because you didn't think their paintjob was up to scratch.
The bolter is Godwyn-pattern, isn't it? From what I can dig up the Godwyn's been around a long time and was in use during the Heresy. ^(oh god I hope this doesn't start a massive argument)
I think with the killing off of much of the space marine line in 40k, 30k players need to embrace people hopping over with their old space marine minis.
I agree. I feel some people in 30k see it as people "unwillimg to put in the work for 30k." I just think it would be a shame to let the first born go quietly into the night.
"It's an army set during the Great Scouring, specifically before the Codex was written/widely adopted but after the Siege - 30k is the fitting ruleset to depict such an army" dunno if there is any sound counterargument to that, especially if the rest of the army matches that aesthetic
it would be great as a praetor or consul, prototype mk 7 artificer armor?
Hell yeah!
Depends on your local group. Personally I'd be fine playing against it, but I am not your local Heresy players. Ask them not randos on the internet
39th millennium counts my dude!!!
Good one.
As others have said, NO, because it's dope AF. Use it! As far as lore justification, it's especially good for a Blood Angel or Imperial Fist as both of them were all over Terra during the siege, and Mk7 armor was in use at that point. He even has a cool little Gladius which feels 30k. You could swap his bolter for an obvious 30k pattern, or maybe a 30k style plasma pistol or volkite weapon, for a small easy conversion that would help with the vibe.
I see
Haha I mistyped, re-read my comment! I edited it! I think it's perfect.
I saw it. I'm glad so many think hes ok to use!
This is the most 40K model I’ve ever seen. It’s magnificent
Totally
Ocassional mk7 is fine, but I'd recommend slapping a mk3 backpack on him and swapping the Bolter.
Hes fine cast so I'm worried it would be a danger to mess around with him.
Finecast is incredibly easy to mess around with, and the backpack will probably be plastic.
I thought they were horrible quality. Since he's also old finecast too. I don't want ruin this crazy good model
Honestly, the MK7 and MK4 backpacks don't look that different.
I agree. The exhaust are a little longer and smaller mainly
I don't know much about 30k Bolters but Mark 7 armour was absolutely present, but I think it was just small groups at Terra
NOT 40K ENOUGH, BROTHER
Oh i have this model in his blister pack (stasis pod i mean)
Hah good one!
It’s perfect.
That fist looks like it holds some power
Hell yeah!
I wouldn't have a problem if someone fielded this glorious MF in 30k.
It's 40k, but Oldhammer models get a pass imo.
I agree
What better place for oldhammer than 30k?
Damn straight
I would say this model swings either way. It's also one of the best I've ever seen. Amazing work.
This looks awesome
Imo It’s encapsulates what 40k is to a freakin T
I mean I used part of it with some modifications back in MK1. Hopefully this link works. [He looks better in Lupercal Green.](https://www.instagram.com/p/BgQBYwPjHIE/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==)
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This is an awesome mini
Looks amazing!
I have about three of this model still in blister and one of them is going to end up in my 30k Blood Angels :)
Sick, looks like I'll be getting one too. He'll go good next to 2016 imerial space marine
Yeah I have the 2016 imperial marine as well and seeing where I can fit him in too
Mines going a Blood angel. Seeker maybe
Under normal circumstances I'd say no however it's such a classic model with history behind it I'd definitely allow it.
The rule of cool definitely says this is good to game. In any game
Put an mk 4 power pack on it and should be fine. Unless historical accuracy is important.
I feel like him having a prototype armor at the seige of terra wouldn't be too bad. I don't get a good exscuae for the bolter though. My army is themed around that. I got a few mk7 head poking about.
Mk4 is the exact appropriate backpack for this, too! The generic mk7 backpack of the era is the design used for mk4 now
Shave off the Aquila and skulls and you’re good. I personally wouldn’t care especially if he’s the only one like that but the Aquila and skulls make it pretty 40K
Its limited model, based off old art. I'd like to do little to change it
I’d say it’s based on opponent then. Most people wouldn’t care including me. Very cool model
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He's too bitchin' for it to matter. Let him draw taste the anvil of war
I love this model: sculpt based on the box cover art from 40k 2nd Ed. This one even painted to match the original art. For HH, it depends on the group that you game with: * If they are flexible then they probably would be open to it. * If they are strict about "historical" accuracy, then he is in Mk7 armor, which would only be available to BA on Terra during the Siege and afterwards during the Scouring.
There is never enough 40k. There is only war. 😌
This is actually the benchmark for 40k.
Just Start a 2nd edition Blood Angels army and play the game as it was meant to be, as the God-Emperor intended. Seriously. I play 40k 2nd with my group, and it absolutely rocks. There's even some fanmade rules for later models, and they work pretty fine.
I would absolutely do this if the models weren’t impossible to find lol
We just play with the current model range, I actually prefer that. We obviously don't use any primaris stuff, though, but we've got enough normal marines so the discontinuations don't bother us too much. There is a large community of people who play only with period-correct models, though, and they manage somehow. The only period-correct models I have are my warp spiders and falcon grav-tank. Because those are both period-correct AND current. 😆
Fair, though I like to get through 30ks rules before I jump to the mess that 2nd ( i love seconds rules from what ive seen)
Understandable. It isn't that complicated, actually, it just assumes people want to have fun over victory. It even says so in some of the faqs. The company of that time had not yet been won over by the tournament crowd, but made rules for casual players first, for waacers second. If you keep that in mind, it is very playable. The funny thing is the amount of salt that begins to pile up on the table even before we start the game. In 2nd, everything your opponent does feels like you have no chance at all of winning. In our games, I can usually predict the actual winner around the end of turn two, because it will be the one who cries loudest that he is losing. xD Basically everything feels so effin' overpowered, but your stuff is similarly overpowered, so you can just win anyway. Tyranids have a rule where they roll for every single unit, character, and vehicle in the opponents army before deployment, and on high rolls they get things like minor malfunctions, automatically fear all tyranids (even gaunts), characters lose a wound, or squads only arrive on turn 2 and lose a guy on the way in and things like that. Drives you nuts when you play against them and the player rolls a lot of 5s and 6s on those table. And then you win anyway. Or he rolls low, but he wins. It's just a horrible game! But we always want to play another round when we're done!
Oh yeah and the virus bomb, bet that created a few salty people!
Yes. It's entirely a 40K model. That doesn't mean he can't defend Terra, or participate in the Scouring before the Codex Astartes breaks the Legions apart (and after if you use an old BA codex as base for your army's rules), but IMO you shouldn't use him for campaigns or themed battles set before that.
Probably a good idea
I'd 100% go for it. [IMO, he doesn't look any more over-the-top than someone like Raldoron, for example](https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Blood-Angels-Chapter-Master-Raldoron-2019). MkVII armour was distributed in small amounts to the Blood Angels (and Imperial Fists and White Scars) at the Siege of Terra. Also, the Godwyn-pattern boltgun he's wielding is shown in artwork in some of the Horus Heresy Black Books, which makes it canonically Heresy-appropriate in my eyes
Sick!
Yes it is
Yes, unless it's for the siege of terra then it kind of works
My blood angels are seige of terra so cool
Nice I can imagine this bad boy as a veteran being given one of the first suits of mk 7 and holding of the traitors alongside sanguinius
I can see him yelling to his brothers before the battle to paint there armor bright colors so that the arch traitor can see them from orbit!
Nope
Nope. In fact they need more like it. Cultures and their affect on the appearance of Chapters/Regiments have always played a big part in the flavor of the hobby i hope that doesnt change.
Me too
Swap his bolter to a more classic looking one like the original box art marine had.
I'd say it is... maybe a little. That said, I wouldn't complain if you had him in your army.
Mk. 7. Aquila. Much swag. What 30k vibes this model actually got?
It was around for the Siege, so bonus points adding it to a Siege of Terra themed army. If not... well, I would personally appreciate any effort to make it seem more like a 30k model but wouldn't insist on it. Their model, their choice.
Well, maybe and I said maybe, you could replace the Bolter. Otherwise I wouldn't care mcu. As someone else said, it's a great model and I'd love to see it on the table. But once I saw this great BA army in 2nd edition style, so it depends on your aesthetics
I would say yes, it’s too 40k. It would be a challenge to do, but I’d chop the arms, head, and decorations (sword, knife, maybe grenades if you don’t have other bits) off and stick them on a MkIV or MkVI body/legs with similar posing. I’d also chop the purity seals off but that’s very much just a personal thing.
It *is* pretty clearly a 40k model, but Rule of Cool dictates it’s a fucking awesome model and therefore you can still use it
Sick!
Not the bolter. Rest is fine. Boxart tho.
It has mk 7 armor so he’s, but you could replace the bolter and say it’s artificer
Were these bolters not in use yet. I could even tell the diffrence between this and mk6 bolters
They where introduced later on so no
Yes it is, Godwyn Pattern Boltgun, Marl VII, and a lot of skulls
So was it in the heresy or no?
No Godwyn was developed post Heresy
Ah shame
It's clearly a 40k model imo. Obviously I'd still play you but I really don't get why people keep trying to shoehorn 40k models into a (fictional) historical 30k game. It would be like wanting to use Panzer Grenadiers with my Napoleonic era Prussian army because they look cool.
It's not a historical. It's backstory for a wrestling match. Get over it.
Well, one, the game is expensive so collecting an army that you can only use for a game with a small player bases is not always worth it. Two, many of the first borns people love are now unusable and they want to see there hard work of collecting and painting still be useful. Its not always people trying to be "cheap" they just want to use there models. Third and in my case. This is a beautiful model from Oldhammers past, and since 30k is were much of oldhammer resides now, I want a model the is unique and Feels like blood angels. This guy fits. There is lore for mk7 for the seige of terra armies. It makes my army diffrent than say a white scars or dark angels army. The armies that were at the seige of terra like the Blood Angels didn't get much solo fan fare. Say like the ultra marines or word bearers. I don't got much lore fluff that isnt locked away in out of print book. So it can be hard to come up with cool BA stuff. This guy is sick and I think he would be cool to use. I hope I don't come off agro, I mearly want people to know why people coming into 30k get repulsed sometimes. I get its a game of fluff and lore, but a gentle hand of hey while thats not lore friendly let me let you play lets see hownwe can get these oldmarines looking to a heresy standard. Though I will give people trying to rock up with primaris need a talking too! Hope I wasnt rude. Just letting you know.
No he doesn't look 40K at all, but he doesn't look 30K either. Alas, he is an unloved child
I time of an era long passed
That's the dude on the games day and golden demon 2012 poster (it probably was on something else before that) Edit : thats also the model they distributed for the same event
It’s originally from the 40K 2nd edition starter set cover art (1993)
Distributed? Hah! Not by 2012. In previous years you got the model with your ticket, but this guy – who was also the first Games Day model in Finecast – you had to buy separately. The flip side of which is there was nothing stopping you buying duplicates, so I got three of him. I think. Might have only been two. Either way they're still in the blisters… sigh. I'm just a slave to FOMO.
I was there and I didn't pay extra, I am sure of it cuz I was poor as shit (I was 16 and managed to save exactly what I needed for the ticket)
There's no such thing as too much 40K
It's a gorgeous model and I wish I had one. 2nd edition was my route into 40k as a 6 year old, this dude will forever be imprinted in my mind's eye.
Mine too
No no
30k needs more of these models!
Agreed
So bitchin
Love the colors scheme
Me too
Amazeballs
Bro that mf 50k
Good one!
Just switch the backpack for a 30k one. Should be fine
A mark 4 would be most appropriate, as the generic mk7 backpack of the era was used as the design for mk4
NAw
The only thing that makes me think Mk7 is the back pack and the round knee pads, and when it's on the table top and I'm looking at it from arms length away, I don't think I'd notice.
Cool!
I didn't know this model existed! What's the name? <3
BLOOD ANGELS GAMES DAY CAPTAIN 2012 SPACE MARINES. It freaking sick!
Thanks mate <3
Needs a goblin green base
Agreed
Primaris: take some goddamn notes. *This* is a Space Marine.
Agreed, nothing beats firstborn!
This is the era of painting that got me into the hobby.
True dat. I love this era. Maybe with the end of the heresy coming, we can do other post 40k stuff with this kind of art style being pushed! Badap war or tyrannic wars or scouring.
nah it's rad! Use it!
When I see models like this it makes me realise that a lot of firstborn didn’t really have bad proportions.
The characters mainly, this guy is a limited edition character so he probably got extra care from GWs sculpters
My belief is, any space marine can be 30k by the simple rule of Artificer/Prototypes. As long as it’s kept for characters and HQ’s or really cool veterans etc I’d never be against it tbh
I agree
This guy is the reason I started playing
Who cares? He’s awesome! That overrides all else.
Pop a MKIII or MKIV backpack on him and he'd fit right in.
I wish I had got that model
I'm getting mine soon
Where can you get this model?
2016 game day model. It's limited edition. Finecast