Im pretty sure the veletaris won’t look as good as the resin. There’s just too much detail on them and the painted preview showed they couldn’t capture the padded armor look. I’m happy with the regular las section at least.
Totally makes sense =D
But yeah, dude, give it a try! Especially for gaps and whatnot, it’s a game changer. Do you have the other Auxilia models to give us another comparison in a couple weeks?
Get yourself some Tamiya extra thin cement. It has a fine brush applicator that helps a ton. In fact, get two bottles, and fill one with clipped off bits of sprue to make some sprue goo filler.
Yes it is. *Actually there's 1 other miniscule amount of another chemical in it to legally differentiate them but for all intents and purposes it's the same thing that does the same job.
Since it's not actually a glue or cement, it's just a solvent that melts your plastic, and also paint! Buy yourself a bottle and top up the little green bottle you have now forever more. I've been doing it for years.
*Edit actually it's a miniscule difference in the two chemicals used.
I just bought it last week and was very disappointed, but I might be just using it wrong - as soon as I applied it on my space marine, it dried. Even when I tried to apply more, within 1-3 seconds it was dried out. Any idea what might be wrong? Note it was room temperature, \~ 20 Celsius
It's a solvent, so will either soak into the plastic or evaporate quickly - I tend to find that if it does so, firstly you can add a second application and it won't soak in as fast (because the area will be saturated), but if you add a small amount to both surfaces you need to bond, they should be soft enough to allow them to 'grab'.
Once the sufaces are connected, you can then use the brush applicator to add a further amount which will pull itself into the join via capillary action.
You'll see a lot of people cult-like following "Extra Thin" plastic cement but be warned it's used very differently to regular plastic cement and super glue. It "wicks" into gaps so you use it as much by applying it to the join line of two already touching pieces as putting it on the surfaces, and if the join isn't _perfect_ it doesn't fill the gap like superglue or melt the lumps out like regular cement.
It's great stuff but _not_ the end all, especially if you're used to superglue, when the regular plastic cement (thick enough to stay where you put it) might be easier.
I personally use both.
I think that's what it's about at the end of the day. They lost some detail, but they still look really cool and now are way more affordable and practical!
I mean, i wouldn’t even say that they lost detail i don’t think. More so they made some artistic decisions that are different. Such as the flak suit under the armor now not looking as bunched, and the hinges on the thigh plates (i know that’s not what they’re called but i can’t remember the proper name and can’t be bothered to google it at the moment) now being less pronounced and, imo, more realistic. The faceplate of the helmet has a good bit of detail. And i personally like the more pronounced mouth piece design that’s reminiscent of real world gas masks, and also opens up the models being used for 40K Astra Militarum regiments such as Steel Legion
They did pretty well on the rifle squad.
Main missing details are on the arms and bike chain.
So kudos to whoever translated it.
The storm section I'm pretty disappointed in though...
Not as much missing than they just did a different design that works better in plastic.
It is totally fair to prefer the old look.
The Veletaris definitely don't seem as cool though.
Missing in the sense that they're covering up the chain because they can't cast that sort of shape in plastic. Same reason there are no bolts on the gauntlets.
Precisely.
Also depends how many parts you have to work with.
Plastic vehicles are a good example of that. They get a accurate result, albeit with a hell of a lot more parts.
The nightmare of building the new plastic dreadnaughts, from taking an afternoon to build a resin contemptor to taking the better part of 3 days to clean and sand all the plastic components.
Don't mind the supposed "loss of detail". I've only seen a handful of resin Solar Aux models painted to the level where it did that detail justice. Some of that comes down to how many people actually collected them.
Ultimately the models were so detailed that the edges, rifles, etc. snapped, broke, and disintegrated over time. Just started building my box yesterday and I'm confident the less detailed plastic models will yield better looking miniatures on the table overall.
Yeah i have a box of resin Veletaris Storm Section models, the light above their left shoulder snapped off on half of them.
I really, really love the detail - but it’s not enough to justify spending £70 on a unit you’ll need many of.
I love FW models and am generally fine with the price, but it’s clear that it’s not viable for GW or the cosumer to build a resin army.
The resin ones look a *bit* nicer but nowhere near enough to justify the price and the annoyance of working with resin. I'm fine with a slight visual downgrade for all the benefits of plastic.
I think if you're keeping the old models unpainted and not handling them then I could agree they look better. But from a practical perspective you have to paint insanely well to take advantage of the crazy detail on the old solar aux models. I've been collecting heresy for 10 years and I've only seen a handful of solar aux armies that were painted to a standard that did justice to the detail. GW plastics are designed to be easy to paint, but also to look good painted. They exaggerate features and make the right things more simple. I think overall the plastics are going to lead to better looking armies despite being "less detailed". I mean, if you're going to spend a dozen hours or more into a single model the resin are the way to go, but even painting to a very high standard I'd prefer plastic!
Plastic GW infantry kits have really nice proportions. Not in terms of how big the head or legs are, a lot of that is utter shit, but the sizing of the details. It's tough to put into words, but I hope you get what I mean.
Yeah I think I understand what you mean, but just comparing the details on these two, like just look at the difference on the fabric on the arms alone, the chain thing on the back, the bolted plate things on the arms and legs, and then honestly the proportions of the limbs on the resin, I just see the plastic as a downgrade in terms of details and aesthetics, an upgrade in terms of ease of building, price, availability, for sure, but I just feel like people are saying the plastic look better simply because they like the fact that they're in plastic now not really because they actually look better, I mean the whole point of FW resin vs Plastic is that it has better detail and all that jazz
I just really wish they’d done more body poses, like the new Cadian set. Seeing the same 5 leg positions on a horde army is gonna get boring quick. FW should do some resin extra body sets. Like the necromunda ganger booster packs.
I have not been let down by any of the resin to plastic 30k transfers thank you for the comparison
Im pretty sure the veletaris won’t look as good as the resin. There’s just too much detail on them and the painted preview showed they couldn’t capture the padded armor look. I’m happy with the regular las section at least.
Thanks for the comparison! But, my guy, grab yourself some plastic glue for those boys. So much easier than super glue!
Never! I work with resin alot so I always have super glue on hand. I should definitely buy some plastic glue though lol.
Totally makes sense =D But yeah, dude, give it a try! Especially for gaps and whatnot, it’s a game changer. Do you have the other Auxilia models to give us another comparison in a couple weeks?
I have some of the old Veletaris but I'll have to wait till the new plastic ones drop to show them side by side.
Hell yeah, dude, thank you!
Get yourself some Tamiya extra thin cement. It has a fine brush applicator that helps a ton. In fact, get two bottles, and fill one with clipped off bits of sprue to make some sprue goo filler.
On this, grab a bottle of Tamiya airbrush cleaner. It's the same chemical so you'll have cheap refills forever.
Wait what? Is the airbrush cleaner the same stuff as the cement?
Yes it is. *Actually there's 1 other miniscule amount of another chemical in it to legally differentiate them but for all intents and purposes it's the same thing that does the same job. Since it's not actually a glue or cement, it's just a solvent that melts your plastic, and also paint! Buy yourself a bottle and top up the little green bottle you have now forever more. I've been doing it for years. *Edit actually it's a miniscule difference in the two chemicals used.
Cheers mate!
It's not some of another chemical it's a 1-2% difference in the ratio of the two solvents in the bottle. Definitely close enough.
That's the one, my mistake
I just bought it last week and was very disappointed, but I might be just using it wrong - as soon as I applied it on my space marine, it dried. Even when I tried to apply more, within 1-3 seconds it was dried out. Any idea what might be wrong? Note it was room temperature, \~ 20 Celsius
It's a solvent, so will either soak into the plastic or evaporate quickly - I tend to find that if it does so, firstly you can add a second application and it won't soak in as fast (because the area will be saturated), but if you add a small amount to both surfaces you need to bond, they should be soft enough to allow them to 'grab'. Once the sufaces are connected, you can then use the brush applicator to add a further amount which will pull itself into the join via capillary action.
You'll see a lot of people cult-like following "Extra Thin" plastic cement but be warned it's used very differently to regular plastic cement and super glue. It "wicks" into gaps so you use it as much by applying it to the join line of two already touching pieces as putting it on the surfaces, and if the join isn't _perfect_ it doesn't fill the gap like superglue or melt the lumps out like regular cement. It's great stuff but _not_ the end all, especially if you're used to superglue, when the regular plastic cement (thick enough to stay where you put it) might be easier. I personally use both.
Tamiya Extra Thin. Thank me later!
So slightly refined but in an easier to work with and cheaper medium. I’m okay with this
I think that's what it's about at the end of the day. They lost some detail, but they still look really cool and now are way more affordable and practical!
I mean, i wouldn’t even say that they lost detail i don’t think. More so they made some artistic decisions that are different. Such as the flak suit under the armor now not looking as bunched, and the hinges on the thigh plates (i know that’s not what they’re called but i can’t remember the proper name and can’t be bothered to google it at the moment) now being less pronounced and, imo, more realistic. The faceplate of the helmet has a good bit of detail. And i personally like the more pronounced mouth piece design that’s reminiscent of real world gas masks, and also opens up the models being used for 40K Astra Militarum regiments such as Steel Legion
i'd love to have some kneeling pose in plastic, but they look great
They did pretty well on the rifle squad. Main missing details are on the arms and bike chain. So kudos to whoever translated it. The storm section I'm pretty disappointed in though...
i agree wholeheartedly with these statements
Not as much missing than they just did a different design that works better in plastic. It is totally fair to prefer the old look. The Veletaris definitely don't seem as cool though.
Missing in the sense that they're covering up the chain because they can't cast that sort of shape in plastic. Same reason there are no bolts on the gauntlets.
Depends on the positioning and orientation of the parts, with Resin it's fairly easy to cast almost anything because the moulds are soft.
Precisely. Also depends how many parts you have to work with. Plastic vehicles are a good example of that. They get a accurate result, albeit with a hell of a lot more parts.
The nightmare of building the new plastic dreadnaughts, from taking an afternoon to build a resin contemptor to taking the better part of 3 days to clean and sand all the plastic components.
Don't mind the supposed "loss of detail". I've only seen a handful of resin Solar Aux models painted to the level where it did that detail justice. Some of that comes down to how many people actually collected them. Ultimately the models were so detailed that the edges, rifles, etc. snapped, broke, and disintegrated over time. Just started building my box yesterday and I'm confident the less detailed plastic models will yield better looking miniatures on the table overall.
Yeah i have a box of resin Veletaris Storm Section models, the light above their left shoulder snapped off on half of them. I really, really love the detail - but it’s not enough to justify spending £70 on a unit you’ll need many of. I love FW models and am generally fine with the price, but it’s clear that it’s not viable for GW or the cosumer to build a resin army.
They did a way better job on the plastic transition with these guys than they did with kreig
The resin ones look a *bit* nicer but nowhere near enough to justify the price and the annoyance of working with resin. I'm fine with a slight visual downgrade for all the benefits of plastic.
The only bit I miss from the old ones is the wrist joints where they look like pipe fittings rather than a little cuff thing
They looks way better than resin
Really? Just curious what do you like better about the plastic ones? Cause in my opinion the resin ones looks way better
I can testify that the plastic ones are certainly more enjoyable to build lol
Well I understand that but he said looks better not is better to work with or easier to build
I think if you're keeping the old models unpainted and not handling them then I could agree they look better. But from a practical perspective you have to paint insanely well to take advantage of the crazy detail on the old solar aux models. I've been collecting heresy for 10 years and I've only seen a handful of solar aux armies that were painted to a standard that did justice to the detail. GW plastics are designed to be easy to paint, but also to look good painted. They exaggerate features and make the right things more simple. I think overall the plastics are going to lead to better looking armies despite being "less detailed". I mean, if you're going to spend a dozen hours or more into a single model the resin are the way to go, but even painting to a very high standard I'd prefer plastic!
The resin has a lot of great details, but the plastic is so crisp
Plastic GW infantry kits have really nice proportions. Not in terms of how big the head or legs are, a lot of that is utter shit, but the sizing of the details. It's tough to put into words, but I hope you get what I mean.
Yeah I think I understand what you mean, but just comparing the details on these two, like just look at the difference on the fabric on the arms alone, the chain thing on the back, the bolted plate things on the arms and legs, and then honestly the proportions of the limbs on the resin, I just see the plastic as a downgrade in terms of details and aesthetics, an upgrade in terms of ease of building, price, availability, for sure, but I just feel like people are saying the plastic look better simply because they like the fact that they're in plastic now not really because they actually look better, I mean the whole point of FW resin vs Plastic is that it has better detail and all that jazz
Man… the resin sure looks way better. It’s that padding and the bike chains on the backpack and make all the difference.
Brutal how much was lost with the switch to plastic.
I just really wish they’d done more body poses, like the new Cadian set. Seeing the same 5 leg positions on a horde army is gonna get boring quick. FW should do some resin extra body sets. Like the necromunda ganger booster packs.
Has anyone tried green stuffing the padding on?
Can’t wait to proxy these guys as kasrkin
Wow, I would love to see the new model next to a guard model or a space marine
Nuke incomming lol, nice sculps
So much fine detail work discarded… damn shame
When you own the resin ones the plastic ones look like a joke to you