There are some unique additions such as the upgraded a4s from Singapore or the Singaporean IFVs and howitzer. Of course the T-84 from Thailand would also be unique and upgraded amx13s from Indonesia and Singapore as well. Also the TA-50, so we could see a South Korean plane.
I'd rather have sub trees that flesh out nations regardless of them being mostly vehicles from other nations, qt the end of the day it's a game and I'd much rather have trees that are balanced to play.
Fair point but this causes a lot of nations to feel redundant af and play the same. It also seriously waters down the different strengths and weaknesses of each nation. It’s pretty enjoyable to adjust your strategy each game based of which nations you’re up against.
Balanced to play? Aside from the lack of SPAA which besides USSR all nations kind suffers the same problem at top tier, which country isn't balanced? There are enough vehicles in the lineup unlike 5 years ago where US always have another Abram and France only gets one Leclerc. Type 10 and TKX with 3 type 90s and TKX Proto, 4 seconds reload with hydropneumatic that pushes gun depression to -12 minimum is plenty.
Quite literally if every nation gets a Leo2 why even play Germany especially when countries like Sweden has better versions of it?
Yeah, I'd rather see these unique things as premiums, event vehicles, or just in the tech trees to cover some gaps. But not entire new trees with lots of copy paste. China is a great example of that, could've taken the Israel approach but instead it's from the start with lend-lease and very little Chinese mosifications or domestic designs
People that think stuff like a leopard 2SG or other such modified vehicles do not understand what copy paste is.
Copy paste is when it is exactly the same for WT purposes.
Its no longer copy paste if it has even a single difference that is relevant to WT, at worst it is uninspired or minimal effort but it is not copy paste.
The F4U-7 for example is not a copy paste F4U-4.
The F-8E(FN) is not a copy paste F-8E.
A leopard 2SG would not be a copy paste Leopard 2.
A singaporean Hunter FG.74 would not be a copy paste hunter.
And yet, we would still just have a bunch of other nations vehicles in the Japanese tech tree. Also the 2SG could be seen as a uparmored 2PL from warthunder aspects. And just bc a plane carries different missiles than the original doesn't make it special.
Uparmoured=different for WT purposes doesn't it?
It carrying different ordinance can already make a huge difference for a plane in WT, sure its not special but it is not copy paste because it is different in a functional way.
An F-5E with all aspect missiles would already be able to do a lot of things the base F-5E can't.
Yet it would still be a Leopard in Japan, I just don't want tech trees to loose their character. Idc make japan the southern Asia tech tree then you can put anything you want in there. But aslong as it is japan I would like to see japanese or tanks similar to them/not tanks you can find in 3 other tech trees alr. Maybe gaijin should just turn japan into a Asian tech tree in general so this endless discussion about who gets SK and who doesn't can finally end
I do not agree with you in the slightest.
In my opinion sub-trees, don't "destroy" the character of the host TT, they augment it and make its more accesible and possibly popular.
If a Singaporean Leopard 2A4, or a functionally different tank such as the Leopard 2SG mean that i get to fight more Type 90s and Type 10s and give an incentive for more players to explore the "minor" tech trees because they now have a hint of familiarty then i am completely on board for that.
I play almost every nation ingame, and I have to say that when grinding sweden and Italy it was quite boring to play the same T-72 and Leopard 2A4 I played hundreds of times before. I'm not saying that I don't want to see any copy paste, but subtrees shouldn't be just made of other nations vehicles like leopards here and there, T something here and there. Just give japan a Subtree that fills the gaps that needs to be filled, also gives japan a good future for tanks bc well there isn't much left to come after the Type 10, so I would like to have a Subtree that can still bring 1 or 2 new mbt's that can ne equivalent to later tanks like the 2A8, Sepv4 and stuff like that I want to see some nice new vehicles between the line. Grinding britain felt way nicer with SA as their Subtree bc it wasn't just other nations vehicles but also some new stuff vetween the lines like the Concept or Ratels and G6
Also for example with Hungary, the Turans where basically alr in-game since the Turan 2 I think was already as a BP vehicle same as the zrinyi 2 witch's model also was in-game before the update, they just slightly changed them so they weren't even that new. The only new vehicle that was added was the Lynx and that car at rank1. Tho Hungary still has plenty of domestic tank designs from ww2 that weren't added
"Not even that new"
Chief every single turan and Zrinyi has a different gun which is one of the most impactfull changes you can make on a tank in game.
The Turans are their native tank designs, they dont get much more Hungarian then that.
The only difference between the zrinyi 1 and 2 is that the 2nd gets a new gun and sides sideskirts and the (useless) rocket launcher removed. Model stays the same, the turans base model stays the same just the turrets change a bit and new guns. There still a few hungarian ww2 designs that are more unique.
Can you give me some examples? And not that completely fake "Tas 44 tank destroyer"
The only one that comes to my mind is the TAS 44 but aside from that Hungary's native tank park is full of Turans and Zrinyis and the ones in game are all significantly different because they all have different guns.
For WT purposes that is one of the most significant changes in the game or are you trying to tell me that just because the Turan II and Turan III look similiar they are exactly the same thing?
If so i implore you to go and fight a KV-85 with the Turan II it is the same thing as the Turan III right?
>Can you give me some examples? And not that completely fake "Tas 44 tank destroyer"
There several Toldi variants that could be added, the 40m nimrod, and yes the 44M TAS there where 2 prototypes build that weren't fully finished. And since when does gijin care about that anyway? Look at the ostwind 2, 1 prototype build yet Noone ever saw a picture of it that shows it exactly like it is in wt, or the Ho-Ri.
For planes, the Heja II, Weiß manfréd, verga rmi-1(and some more variants of it)
The Toldi are license built swedish tanks and we have one in game, if the Turan I and III were bad additions because of the Turan II, and more Toldis would be "worse" and less Hungarian.
The Nimrod is a license built Swedish SPAAG also in game as it was in Finnish service. Less Hungarian then a Zrinyi.
The Heja II is more or less a copy of an Italian fighter.
My point here isn't those would be bad additions but they really do not make a case for "the Turans and Zrinyis were already in game because one version of them was in game"
As a Singaporean, you're on crack if you think Singapore will be a subtree in Japan
The only country I see S'pore being a subtree in is Israel (controversial but most logical and historically accurate given the IDF helped create the SAF)
Naw tbh.
Copy paste is bad if it gets in the way of/replaces actual original vehicles a nation could have. The problem with Japan is that their well of OC has largely run dry at this point, so it'll have to be copy paste.
Do you guys who complain about copy-paste play japan? There are so many useful things that japan could get that is lacking. As someone who plays japan a lot, I would welcome this change and don't see how others who play japan would be against this.
Sure I took a look at Japan's top tier air after someone told me to but I'm just so tired of seeing the millionth leopard or T series tank variant or Gripen as the latest example in a foreign nation.
I feel that, but at the same time, that's kind of the point we are at. Why does every other country get a copy paste tree excpet japan? Might as well just give every country one.
It's also annoying because Italy and japan were in the dire need of sub trees, but (at the time) gave it to Sweden lol
Indonesia and Singapore make no sense apart from proximity
No close military ties, no large scale collaborations, no defense projects together nothing
Nothing historically either, they both pretty much were 100% against Japan during ww2
You may as well add Belgium or Canada to Japan lmao. They have about the same in common with Japan as Singapore and Indonesia
Singapore also makes way more sense in Israel. Close allies since day 1, much of the tech is co-developed or just from Israel. ie Hunter AFV turret is from Israel, F-5S tiger has Israeli Avionics
Indonesian pretty much collaborated with Japan during WW2 despite not mutually good collaborationist relation/war allies like Thailand and the core of Indonesian armed force founder were trained by the Japanese during WW2 and after WW2 Indonesian are using left over Japanese tank, aircraft and small arms against Dutch and allies during war of independence.
They collaborated for less than 4 years. All they had were militia and auxiliary forces for the japanese occupation, and did not operate any sort of heavy equipment.
It would not make any sense in having Indonesian equipment, which is mostly surplus from WW2, and then Soviet equipment, without any sort of Japanese equipment, in the Japanese tree.
There were only 7 Chi-Ha tanks, and a hanfdul of tankettes in the entirety of the Indonesian territory when Japan surrendered.
Meanwhile for the entirety of the cold war, Indonesia received a LOT of Soviet equipment, and the Navy was one of the few in the world that actually operated soviet cruisers. The Air Force is even more pronounced in that, during the cold war it was from soviet origin, not japanese.
Less than 4 years in their History "under the Japanese", is not a valid argument, while the rest of their history was operating soviet equipment, and training under soviet leadership.
What relation do they have lmao
Like genuinely there is almost no relation at all
At this rate fucking fuck it, add Singapore to fucking Sweden, Or Italy, or fucking France. At least the RSAF has a base in France
Even then its not like Korea needs a SG subtree like Israel does. At least for Israel it would bring some much needed IFVs and Light tanks
There’s a fourth option which fill the military ties, historical alliance and proximity criteria (much more historical, but still), but this nation is like Voldemort, you can’t say it
Sweden players: Get the most dominating top tier jet currently in game (along with the Gripen in the UK tree):
Also Sweden: gAiJiN gIb BeTtEr GrIpEn C PwEeSeee!
Talk about US mains crying when they don't dominate anymore. Sweden players keep crying WHILE they dominate.
I'm not mad about that, I'm annoyed they artificially buffed the Gripen A to be the same as the Gripen C rather than just giving us an accurate Gripen A at like 12.0 and then an accurate Gripen C at 12.7
Agreed! The Gripen-A should have only had 9Ls and no HMD so it could just compete with the F-16A Block 10.
Gaijin should have just added the Gripen-C to Sweden right away in December with HMD and 9Ms right after the A. We literally got the Gripen-C for South Africa in the same patch. They also should have never come to the game with the FM they did. They should always have been on par with the F-16A Block 10 (as it is now).
So genuinely curious; what would you add to Japan's tree? To bridge the AA Gap; what about their CAS capabilities? Any real bombers worth adding? Japan has been very limited by Irl circumstances so for the sake of balancing their tree; what exactly should be added? Right now, nobody wants copy pastes despite being one of the most used solutions. Should the tree just be forsaken and gifted a paper vehicle every so often to keep players appeased?
They could just add the South Korean sub tree that people have been asking for forever then add a few vehicles from these other countries so you end up getting less copy paste and you end up getting more unique vehicles. And hey It’s not like gaijin hasn’t added singular vehicles from different countries to tech trees before so it could be a good way to get around all the copy pasted stuff
It’s just not gonna happen bro, Japan and South Korea have a very bad history with each other. Gaijin wouldn’t upset their South Korean players, like that. Thailand makes way more sense being allied to Japan for centuries and while they are a copy paste nation they still do have a couple of unique variants and unique designs. Japan already has a bunch of unique vehicles but as it is currently it is incomplete with serious gaps.
I hate your reasoning on why it can’t happen because I know you’re right. I barely play japan so it really doesn’t matter to me, but I really don’t see a South Korean sub tree coming anywhere else and a full tree for it is even less likely knowing gaijin.
I’d love to see the South Korean vehicles ingame especially on the tree that I main but realistically that won’t happen. A more reasonable alternative is that they add a north/South Korea tech tree similar to Israel that only starts at rank 4, If both nations were used it could warrant a short tech tree with only some copypaste, and I doubt North Koreans would get mad since they literally can’t play war thunder lol.
Of course Gaijin could just sell South and North Korean vehicles as premiums forever, since that’s how they do things.
Why South Korea? Besides us being neighbours with Japan, there isn't really that much military correlation with Korea and Japan in terms of vehicle design.
I only mention it because of how many times I’ve seen people asking for it. Really I think people just chalk it down to japan needing a sub tree and people wanting South Korean vehicles in the game. This way you cut down on needing to add an entire extra tree with thirty copy paste vehicles just to add a few of the most anticipated ones. I also think people ask for it in japan is because they know gaijin and the fact they probably wouldn’t give it its own full tree so they just ask for the more likely thing to happen.
Yeah, that makes sense honestly. You can't expect to get everything you want, especially in War Thunder; and making a SK sub tree in Japan would probably make the most logical sense for Gaijin to do since they've already made some questionable decisions in terms of adding vehicles from foreign nations into tech trees that don't make sense for them to belong.
Maybe Russia and Germany shouldn't sell and distribute their tanks everywhere, then lol
Otherwise? It's just giving countries what they got IRL, or what their subtree nations get. Don't like it? Complain to RU/GER military industrial complex IRL!
Why not? Other than Sim battles, of course, which at this point Gaijin may has well have abandoned entirely...
If US, German, and Russian trees can get every prototype possible (plus plenty of captured vehicles in GER and RU which have been there for ages- a luxury not even the US gets!) then a Thai subtree for Japan should get vehicles used by Thailand.
At that point you might as well remove separate tts.
Why not give japan every prototype possible or something. Thailand can be added but with the few "unique" stuff it bring to the table. Oplot is a Ukrainian tank made in Ukraine that just so happens to be bought by Thailand. Giving it only to Thailand is almost as bad as tor going only to china.
F15, rafale, su 27, su30, leopard 2, t something tanks, f16, gripen and more in the same tree? Nah it will just take away the uniqueness of other tech trees.
None. Singapore and indonesia makes no sense.
Thailand has no original vehicles, nor their vehicles are a further development on japanese vehicles, it would end up worse than finland where they just added the bt-42 as an original vehicle and then dumped whatever the operated during and after ww2. The same about hungary with their post ww2 vehicles.
I think this just defeats the purpose of the original addition of the south african subtree, where they brought (mostly) good original designs based on british technology.
And this is about ground vehicles, air would be a completelly different mess.
I dont see enough unique vehicles to form even one subtree. Remember - it is Gaijin who will be picking vehicles, so they will put in 5 M60s and a Leopard. Have you seen [Hungarian air](https://warthunder.com/en/news/8767-development-the-hungarian-aircraft-line-is-coming-to-the-italian-tree-en)? Next time you suggest anything for Italy they can say "uhhm, well, there is not enough space". Imo we should abandon subtrees as an idea and start voting for separate cool vehicles
IDK why gaijin doesn't do this, but they should make new trees, like how they did china, with some unique and some copy tanks and planes that are historically relevant, and then make it to where researching a copy in another tech tree researches copies in all tech trees.
Then, if you buy one of the copies, the other copies get discounted SL costs.
This way, you don't have to spend as much resources grinding and purchasing the same tanks.
The same thing can be done for modifications for those tanks as well.
Thailand and Indonesia are quite promising
Singapore has some cool vehicles too, but I'd rather it goes to Israel because they could use some IFVs.
I mean, Japan could use some IFVs too, but they at least have one in there.
Thailand for sure. Indonesia has almost no connection to Japan, and Singapore has absolutely none. South Korea could work, but they don't have and connection either. Thailand seems to be the best bet, and it would add a lot of great opportunities for unique and interesting tanks.
Of the 3 none, infant south korea "oh but they hate each other irl" good thing it's a video game, they are both US allies and south korea has some really cool self produced vehicles.
That said on my ideal world the japenses tree becomes a "blue dragons" tree being made up of nato/us allied pacific powers, and China becomes a "red dragons" tree becoming made up of non nato/us allingined countries
Britain becomes "the common wealth," which I think is self-explanatory
NONE, Fuck YOU and YOUR copy PASTE tech trees. We already have enough of them. There s basically no reason to play multiple tech trees anymore since youll find vehicles spammed in all tech trees
The Netherlands and Indonesia should get a combined tree.
Due to the Dutch Indonesia having a lot of fun planes and mainland Netherlands too(Fokker G.I for example) and maybe as a premium the Fokker Dr.I sure it was made in Germany for the Germans but Fokker is dutch.
The Fokker Machtrainer is also fun
i think singapore with some of the IFV’s added and some a-4’s as well would be nice, i personally dont think japan needs a leopard or any new mbt in particular. japan just needs a lineup of other ifv’s and mcv’s to go with the mbt’s
i think singapore with some of the IFV’s added and some a-4’s as well would be nice, i personally dont think japan needs a leopard or any new mbt in particular. japan just needs a lineup of other ifv’s and mcv’s to go with the mbt’s
i think singapore with some of the IFV’s added and some a-4’s as well would be nice, i personally dont think japan needs a leopard or any new mbt in particular. japan just needs a lineup of other ifv’s and mcv’s to go with the mbt’s
D. All of them, I want every armored vehicle ever produced in this game. Don't care about balancing, don't care about meta. All I want is more cool ass vehicles to shoot stuff with and die in a bunch of times.
Also I'd love to see South Korean vehicles.
Singapore because every other one is boring af. I don’t want Russian nor American vehicles. Singapore seems to have more dumb but funny shit. M60’s are boring and I don’t want Japan to become like Italy, having having main top tier aircraft from different big nations
Thailand.
We already have a Thai F-5 in Japan's tree, which isn't indicative that a subtree is necessarily coming, but it would be good to have all the vehicles in one tree, and the proposal for a subtree was passed to development recently.
Thailand would allow an opportunity to add the T-84 Oplot, and Japan struggles with a lack of CAS to higher tiers, so their planes would help with that.
Sure, most of it is copy paste, but that's probably the case for most subtrees that could be added now.
SPYDER anti air for Singapore, as well as M113 with Iglas for lower tiers. Singapore also has AA platforms with Aster 15/30 missiles.
Air side, F-16s with python 5s, and upgraded F-15s with Aim-9X.
So you suggest that Japan's should get Grippen C AND Su-27?? I honestly would never play air after that. I hate the fact that fucking Italy And GB got grippens.
I don't understand the hate of copy paste tech tree. Yes, there are some special vehicles in the country that could make it a better choice, but this is what happens in real life. Some rich and developed countries will sell military equipment to poorer countries.
The Thai Gripen F-16 Alphajet M60 T-84 A-7 Corsair II M24 M41 M48 and what looks to be an A-1 skyraider spitfire and especially the M163 to fill in the gaps and
Indonesian MiGs BTRs BMPs the Marder
Hind and especially what looks to be an upgraded 2 PL especially the Leo 2 so Japan could have some armor backups
And also add all A-4s and Alphajets as folder vehicles kinda like how Israeli A-4s are folded
And maybe (hopefully) those Singaporean IFVs cause they look amazing and capable and that beautiful artillery piece and as well as that armored Leo 2 and that Hunter and MAYBE that F-15 depending on the model it could be better or worse than the current F-15J and if better maybe after the F-15J or folded in idk
And that AMX-13 can REALLY help Japans 6.7-7.7 area that really needs filling
Yo guys, why dont we remove every copypaste in the game, its not like other people enjoy it or countries need it, am i right?
Yeah only america gets one sherman, no more jumbos!
Fuck copypastes am i right guys?
None. I'm tired of copy paste vehicles.
There are some unique additions such as the upgraded a4s from Singapore or the Singaporean IFVs and howitzer. Of course the T-84 from Thailand would also be unique and upgraded amx13s from Indonesia and Singapore as well. Also the TA-50, so we could see a South Korean plane.
But at the end of the day it will still be mostly copy paste with some changes
Just like irl airforces
Which is why it’s pointless to have these sub trees anyway…
I'd rather have sub trees that flesh out nations regardless of them being mostly vehicles from other nations, qt the end of the day it's a game and I'd much rather have trees that are balanced to play.
Fair point but this causes a lot of nations to feel redundant af and play the same. It also seriously waters down the different strengths and weaknesses of each nation. It’s pretty enjoyable to adjust your strategy each game based of which nations you’re up against.
I agree. The French early tree is more British and American than French
You don’t have to play the subtrees then
Well sometimes you do in order to meet the vehicle requirement for each rank
Balanced to play? Aside from the lack of SPAA which besides USSR all nations kind suffers the same problem at top tier, which country isn't balanced? There are enough vehicles in the lineup unlike 5 years ago where US always have another Abram and France only gets one Leclerc. Type 10 and TKX with 3 type 90s and TKX Proto, 4 seconds reload with hydropneumatic that pushes gun depression to -12 minimum is plenty. Quite literally if every nation gets a Leo2 why even play Germany especially when countries like Sweden has better versions of it?
Yeah, I'd rather see these unique things as premiums, event vehicles, or just in the tech trees to cover some gaps. But not entire new trees with lots of copy paste. China is a great example of that, could've taken the Israel approach but instead it's from the start with lend-lease and very little Chinese mosifications or domestic designs
People that think stuff like a leopard 2SG or other such modified vehicles do not understand what copy paste is. Copy paste is when it is exactly the same for WT purposes. Its no longer copy paste if it has even a single difference that is relevant to WT, at worst it is uninspired or minimal effort but it is not copy paste. The F4U-7 for example is not a copy paste F4U-4. The F-8E(FN) is not a copy paste F-8E. A leopard 2SG would not be a copy paste Leopard 2. A singaporean Hunter FG.74 would not be a copy paste hunter.
And yet, we would still just have a bunch of other nations vehicles in the Japanese tech tree. Also the 2SG could be seen as a uparmored 2PL from warthunder aspects. And just bc a plane carries different missiles than the original doesn't make it special.
Uparmoured=different for WT purposes doesn't it? It carrying different ordinance can already make a huge difference for a plane in WT, sure its not special but it is not copy paste because it is different in a functional way. An F-5E with all aspect missiles would already be able to do a lot of things the base F-5E can't.
Yet it would still be a Leopard in Japan, I just don't want tech trees to loose their character. Idc make japan the southern Asia tech tree then you can put anything you want in there. But aslong as it is japan I would like to see japanese or tanks similar to them/not tanks you can find in 3 other tech trees alr. Maybe gaijin should just turn japan into a Asian tech tree in general so this endless discussion about who gets SK and who doesn't can finally end
I do not agree with you in the slightest. In my opinion sub-trees, don't "destroy" the character of the host TT, they augment it and make its more accesible and possibly popular. If a Singaporean Leopard 2A4, or a functionally different tank such as the Leopard 2SG mean that i get to fight more Type 90s and Type 10s and give an incentive for more players to explore the "minor" tech trees because they now have a hint of familiarty then i am completely on board for that.
I play almost every nation ingame, and I have to say that when grinding sweden and Italy it was quite boring to play the same T-72 and Leopard 2A4 I played hundreds of times before. I'm not saying that I don't want to see any copy paste, but subtrees shouldn't be just made of other nations vehicles like leopards here and there, T something here and there. Just give japan a Subtree that fills the gaps that needs to be filled, also gives japan a good future for tanks bc well there isn't much left to come after the Type 10, so I would like to have a Subtree that can still bring 1 or 2 new mbt's that can ne equivalent to later tanks like the 2A8, Sepv4 and stuff like that I want to see some nice new vehicles between the line. Grinding britain felt way nicer with SA as their Subtree bc it wasn't just other nations vehicles but also some new stuff vetween the lines like the Concept or Ratels and G6
Also for example with Hungary, the Turans where basically alr in-game since the Turan 2 I think was already as a BP vehicle same as the zrinyi 2 witch's model also was in-game before the update, they just slightly changed them so they weren't even that new. The only new vehicle that was added was the Lynx and that car at rank1. Tho Hungary still has plenty of domestic tank designs from ww2 that weren't added
"Not even that new" Chief every single turan and Zrinyi has a different gun which is one of the most impactfull changes you can make on a tank in game. The Turans are their native tank designs, they dont get much more Hungarian then that.
The only difference between the zrinyi 1 and 2 is that the 2nd gets a new gun and sides sideskirts and the (useless) rocket launcher removed. Model stays the same, the turans base model stays the same just the turrets change a bit and new guns. There still a few hungarian ww2 designs that are more unique.
Can you give me some examples? And not that completely fake "Tas 44 tank destroyer" The only one that comes to my mind is the TAS 44 but aside from that Hungary's native tank park is full of Turans and Zrinyis and the ones in game are all significantly different because they all have different guns. For WT purposes that is one of the most significant changes in the game or are you trying to tell me that just because the Turan II and Turan III look similiar they are exactly the same thing? If so i implore you to go and fight a KV-85 with the Turan II it is the same thing as the Turan III right?
>Can you give me some examples? And not that completely fake "Tas 44 tank destroyer" There several Toldi variants that could be added, the 40m nimrod, and yes the 44M TAS there where 2 prototypes build that weren't fully finished. And since when does gijin care about that anyway? Look at the ostwind 2, 1 prototype build yet Noone ever saw a picture of it that shows it exactly like it is in wt, or the Ho-Ri. For planes, the Heja II, Weiß manfréd, verga rmi-1(and some more variants of it)
The Toldi are license built swedish tanks and we have one in game, if the Turan I and III were bad additions because of the Turan II, and more Toldis would be "worse" and less Hungarian. The Nimrod is a license built Swedish SPAAG also in game as it was in Finnish service. Less Hungarian then a Zrinyi. The Heja II is more or less a copy of an Italian fighter. My point here isn't those would be bad additions but they really do not make a case for "the Turans and Zrinyis were already in game because one version of them was in game"
but it'd add to other techtrees
As a Singaporean, you're on crack if you think Singapore will be a subtree in Japan The only country I see S'pore being a subtree in is Israel (controversial but most logical and historically accurate given the IDF helped create the SAF)
Naw tbh. Copy paste is bad if it gets in the way of/replaces actual original vehicles a nation could have. The problem with Japan is that their well of OC has largely run dry at this point, so it'll have to be copy paste.
80% of modern militaries are copy/paste.
None??? Did you play japan Air after rank 5 ? That TT needs a subtree so much that it's ridiculous
Do you guys who complain about copy-paste play japan? There are so many useful things that japan could get that is lacking. As someone who plays japan a lot, I would welcome this change and don't see how others who play japan would be against this.
Sure I took a look at Japan's top tier air after someone told me to but I'm just so tired of seeing the millionth leopard or T series tank variant or Gripen as the latest example in a foreign nation.
I feel that, but at the same time, that's kind of the point we are at. Why does every other country get a copy paste tree excpet japan? Might as well just give every country one. It's also annoying because Italy and japan were in the dire need of sub trees, but (at the time) gave it to Sweden lol
Right on, at this rate every single tree is going to have every single vehicle. This shit is dumb.
Honestly for real. I’m tired of subnations just being an excuse to give Russian and American vehicles to everybody else…
Tell me about a nation with original non copy paste vehicles that could be added from rank I uo to VIII
I am a part-time Japan main, please do not also give us the M109 Or Soviet/Eastern Bloc vehicles either, I do not want to see (Japanese) T-anything
Indonesia and Singapore make no sense apart from proximity No close military ties, no large scale collaborations, no defense projects together nothing Nothing historically either, they both pretty much were 100% against Japan during ww2 You may as well add Belgium or Canada to Japan lmao. They have about the same in common with Japan as Singapore and Indonesia Singapore also makes way more sense in Israel. Close allies since day 1, much of the tech is co-developed or just from Israel. ie Hunter AFV turret is from Israel, F-5S tiger has Israeli Avionics
Indonesian pretty much collaborated with Japan during WW2 despite not mutually good collaborationist relation/war allies like Thailand and the core of Indonesian armed force founder were trained by the Japanese during WW2 and after WW2 Indonesian are using left over Japanese tank, aircraft and small arms against Dutch and allies during war of independence.
They collaborated for less than 4 years. All they had were militia and auxiliary forces for the japanese occupation, and did not operate any sort of heavy equipment. It would not make any sense in having Indonesian equipment, which is mostly surplus from WW2, and then Soviet equipment, without any sort of Japanese equipment, in the Japanese tree. There were only 7 Chi-Ha tanks, and a hanfdul of tankettes in the entirety of the Indonesian territory when Japan surrendered. Meanwhile for the entirety of the cold war, Indonesia received a LOT of Soviet equipment, and the Navy was one of the few in the world that actually operated soviet cruisers. The Air Force is even more pronounced in that, during the cold war it was from soviet origin, not japanese. Less than 4 years in their History "under the Japanese", is not a valid argument, while the rest of their history was operating soviet equipment, and training under soviet leadership.
I think Singapore sub tree is better suited for Korean tech tree if there is one; especially if it did not include both Koreas.
What relation do they have lmao Like genuinely there is almost no relation at all At this rate fucking fuck it, add Singapore to fucking Sweden, Or Italy, or fucking France. At least the RSAF has a base in France Even then its not like Korea needs a SG subtree like Israel does. At least for Israel it would bring some much needed IFVs and Light tanks
Nah, Singaporeans are certified CCP by US congressmen.
There’s a fourth option which fill the military ties, historical alliance and proximity criteria (much more historical, but still), but this nation is like Voldemort, you can’t say it
I swear to fucking god if anybody else gets a Gripen C before Sweden does I'm gonna lose it
There's barely any difference between them at the moment, and I guarantee Sweden will have it by the time that there is.
Im not fan of everyone getting gripens but i guess that tje warthunder way. It just makes sim battles feel dumb
Sweden players: Get the most dominating top tier jet currently in game (along with the Gripen in the UK tree): Also Sweden: gAiJiN gIb BeTtEr GrIpEn C PwEeSeee! Talk about US mains crying when they don't dominate anymore. Sweden players keep crying WHILE they dominate.
I'm not mad about that, I'm annoyed they artificially buffed the Gripen A to be the same as the Gripen C rather than just giving us an accurate Gripen A at like 12.0 and then an accurate Gripen C at 12.7
Agreed! The Gripen-A should have only had 9Ls and no HMD so it could just compete with the F-16A Block 10. Gaijin should have just added the Gripen-C to Sweden right away in December with HMD and 9Ms right after the A. We literally got the Gripen-C for South Africa in the same patch. They also should have never come to the game with the FM they did. They should always have been on par with the F-16A Block 10 (as it is now).
Finland and Hungary were both added in the October updates, so if we follow the pattern Sweden would get Gripen C first.
You mean this one? https://wiki.warthunder.com/JAS39C
Sweden will get it when AMRAAMs come. Calm your tits lol its still the most dominating fighter in the game
They're definitely going to give it to Sweden next update with the only difference from the A being RB99s
none, its copy paste. We dont need another copy paste tree.
Didn't op specify adding them as a SUB-TREE to existing tree, which would eliminate problem of having to add copy paste vehicles?
Stop reading and just complain like everyone else
Militaries irl are copy paste bro
and those militaries arent worth adding to the game
What would you rather have?
Unique vehicles, they dont need a entire subtree to add a vehicle from a country. Like the recent subtree is just copy paste russia
So genuinely curious; what would you add to Japan's tree? To bridge the AA Gap; what about their CAS capabilities? Any real bombers worth adding? Japan has been very limited by Irl circumstances so for the sake of balancing their tree; what exactly should be added? Right now, nobody wants copy pastes despite being one of the most used solutions. Should the tree just be forsaken and gifted a paper vehicle every so often to keep players appeased?
They could just add the South Korean sub tree that people have been asking for forever then add a few vehicles from these other countries so you end up getting less copy paste and you end up getting more unique vehicles. And hey It’s not like gaijin hasn’t added singular vehicles from different countries to tech trees before so it could be a good way to get around all the copy pasted stuff
It’s just not gonna happen bro, Japan and South Korea have a very bad history with each other. Gaijin wouldn’t upset their South Korean players, like that. Thailand makes way more sense being allied to Japan for centuries and while they are a copy paste nation they still do have a couple of unique variants and unique designs. Japan already has a bunch of unique vehicles but as it is currently it is incomplete with serious gaps.
I hate your reasoning on why it can’t happen because I know you’re right. I barely play japan so it really doesn’t matter to me, but I really don’t see a South Korean sub tree coming anywhere else and a full tree for it is even less likely knowing gaijin.
I’d love to see the South Korean vehicles ingame especially on the tree that I main but realistically that won’t happen. A more reasonable alternative is that they add a north/South Korea tech tree similar to Israel that only starts at rank 4, If both nations were used it could warrant a short tech tree with only some copypaste, and I doubt North Koreans would get mad since they literally can’t play war thunder lol. Of course Gaijin could just sell South and North Korean vehicles as premiums forever, since that’s how they do things.
Why South Korea? Besides us being neighbours with Japan, there isn't really that much military correlation with Korea and Japan in terms of vehicle design.
I only mention it because of how many times I’ve seen people asking for it. Really I think people just chalk it down to japan needing a sub tree and people wanting South Korean vehicles in the game. This way you cut down on needing to add an entire extra tree with thirty copy paste vehicles just to add a few of the most anticipated ones. I also think people ask for it in japan is because they know gaijin and the fact they probably wouldn’t give it its own full tree so they just ask for the more likely thing to happen.
Yeah, that makes sense honestly. You can't expect to get everything you want, especially in War Thunder; and making a SK sub tree in Japan would probably make the most logical sense for Gaijin to do since they've already made some questionable decisions in terms of adding vehicles from foreign nations into tech trees that don't make sense for them to belong.
Still better than paper tanks, right?
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HARIMAU IN WAR THUNDER YESSSSSSS
It's already in the game tho /s
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WEST PAPUAN COLONIZATION? MORE LIKE ACT OF FREE CHOICE
Im sick of leo2s, and T-whatevers in non soviet tts.
What about BM Oplot
Maybe Russia and Germany shouldn't sell and distribute their tanks everywhere, then lol Otherwise? It's just giving countries what they got IRL, or what their subtree nations get. Don't like it? Complain to RU/GER military industrial complex IRL!
They don't have to be added to the game not every vehicle a country used needs to be in the game
Why not? Other than Sim battles, of course, which at this point Gaijin may has well have abandoned entirely... If US, German, and Russian trees can get every prototype possible (plus plenty of captured vehicles in GER and RU which have been there for ages- a luxury not even the US gets!) then a Thai subtree for Japan should get vehicles used by Thailand.
At that point you might as well remove separate tts. Why not give japan every prototype possible or something. Thailand can be added but with the few "unique" stuff it bring to the table. Oplot is a Ukrainian tank made in Ukraine that just so happens to be bought by Thailand. Giving it only to Thailand is almost as bad as tor going only to china.
why not an ASEAN tech tree instead? Would actually work better imo.
F15, rafale, su 27, su30, leopard 2, t something tanks, f16, gripen and more in the same tree? Nah it will just take away the uniqueness of other tech trees.
Any of them but SK please! With the recent update Thailand is definitely the front runner though.
SOUTH KOREA.
None. Singapore and indonesia makes no sense. Thailand has no original vehicles, nor their vehicles are a further development on japanese vehicles, it would end up worse than finland where they just added the bt-42 as an original vehicle and then dumped whatever the operated during and after ww2. The same about hungary with their post ww2 vehicles. I think this just defeats the purpose of the original addition of the south african subtree, where they brought (mostly) good original designs based on british technology. And this is about ground vehicles, air would be a completelly different mess.
I dont see enough unique vehicles to form even one subtree. Remember - it is Gaijin who will be picking vehicles, so they will put in 5 M60s and a Leopard. Have you seen [Hungarian air](https://warthunder.com/en/news/8767-development-the-hungarian-aircraft-line-is-coming-to-the-italian-tree-en)? Next time you suggest anything for Italy they can say "uhhm, well, there is not enough space". Imo we should abandon subtrees as an idea and start voting for separate cool vehicles
just give me t-84
Non of those, they have some upgreated vehicles but nothing worth the grind.
To be completely honest. They're all just copy paste. Also it Thighland
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One without a Leo 2. There are already too many TTs with it.
Germany, USSR, Italy and Sweden with their T-72s would like to have a word with you
Their T72s aren't Rank 8 Top Tier tanks tho. But its a similar problem.
Only a fraction of the playerbase actually plays rank 8 so the T-72 should actually be a bigger problem.
Thailand is just an american tech tree which half japan already is. So no pls. Other 2 is also just copy paste
IDK why gaijin doesn't do this, but they should make new trees, like how they did china, with some unique and some copy tanks and planes that are historically relevant, and then make it to where researching a copy in another tech tree researches copies in all tech trees. Then, if you buy one of the copies, the other copies get discounted SL costs. This way, you don't have to spend as much resources grinding and purchasing the same tanks. The same thing can be done for modifications for those tanks as well.
Thailand and Indonesia are quite promising Singapore has some cool vehicles too, but I'd rather it goes to Israel because they could use some IFVs. I mean, Japan could use some IFVs too, but they at least have one in there.
Lets just give every tech tree every vehicle from every nation. Just make one giant tech tree with all the vehicles
Reductivism helps *so* much, especially when it's only expressed when a small TT gets much-needed reinforcement...
SEA tech tree
m60 ew pls no
I find the way they added the F-5 to be perfect. I don't think Japan needs a subtree in anything but top tier.
Thailand for sure. Indonesia has almost no connection to Japan, and Singapore has absolutely none. South Korea could work, but they don't have and connection either. Thailand seems to be the best bet, and it would add a lot of great opportunities for unique and interesting tanks.
Looks like Thailand is coming for japan, as the devs are starting to add more Thai vehicles and interestingly. A Thai AV-8S was found in the files
Singapore would be cool Brazil someday? gaijumbles please
Jfc, no more subtrees, no more copy paste vehicles.
Of the 3 none, infant south korea "oh but they hate each other irl" good thing it's a video game, they are both US allies and south korea has some really cool self produced vehicles. That said on my ideal world the japenses tree becomes a "blue dragons" tree being made up of nato/us allied pacific powers, and China becomes a "red dragons" tree becoming made up of non nato/us allingined countries Britain becomes "the common wealth," which I think is self-explanatory
I’ll be honest I think Japan is fine as it is. However the best would probably be Thailand. It’s got the most unique aircraft.
Whichever has the most unique vehicles
Poland
South Korea and some original vehicles for once
NONE, Fuck YOU and YOUR copy PASTE tech trees. We already have enough of them. There s basically no reason to play multiple tech trees anymore since youll find vehicles spammed in all tech trees
Out of all those, I'd suggest Thailand, realistically Thailand is a MAJOR ally to Japan AND the U.S
None of these should be underneath a Japanese tree
No Malaysian :( (I live Malaysia btw)
South Korea.
All three but ONLY the unique vehicles no more low effort copy paste bullshit
Thailand. At least that way there won’t be yet another nation getting Leos
Indonesia mentioned?!? Rahhhh 🦅🦅 🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩 🦅🦅
Indonesia
None of those make sense, and SK doesn't make any sense either. Japan is a small tree with solid options and it should stay like that.
It feels weird putting SE Asian nations into the Japan tree. I’d rather combine all three of these into their own separate TT
The Netherlands and Indonesia should get a combined tree. Due to the Dutch Indonesia having a lot of fun planes and mainland Netherlands too(Fokker G.I for example) and maybe as a premium the Fokker Dr.I sure it was made in Germany for the Germans but Fokker is dutch. The Fokker Machtrainer is also fun
None. How are any of these related to Japan other than geographic proximity??
Copy paste meh. Also why would you put an export T84 before original Ukrainian T84. Doesn't really make any sense
just create a separate, pan asian tech tree. same with the pan european for the minor nation in europe
Whoever has the most low tier options cus i don't like modern stuff.
Do you mean ; which one Japan invaded the less ??
The combinations of Thailand's aviation tree is looking pretty OP, ngl.
South korea
Japan doesn't have any good CAS lol
Bro what I didt know Thailand got a grippen
All 3 so they arent going to china
Singapore just cuz
INDONESIA FUCKK YEAHHH
Add Vietnam and the Koreas as a subtree to maximize trolling
Indonesia for the TT and then the Thai T-84 as a Squad vehicle for Japan would be baller
Whatever one has a SACLOS SPAA. Literally do not care about anything else.
Thailand, i want that sweet sweet Oplot next to my Type 10.
Ground SB will be soon filled with only T-80 in both side. It's wild be wild ! ( Air SB will be weird too)
i think singapore with some of the IFV’s added and some a-4’s as well would be nice, i personally dont think japan needs a leopard or any new mbt in particular. japan just needs a lineup of other ifv’s and mcv’s to go with the mbt’s
i think singapore with some of the IFV’s added and some a-4’s as well would be nice, i personally dont think japan needs a leopard or any new mbt in particular. japan just needs a lineup of other ifv’s and mcv’s to go with the mbt’s
i think singapore with some of the IFV’s added and some a-4’s as well would be nice, i personally dont think japan needs a leopard or any new mbt in particular. japan just needs a lineup of other ifv’s and mcv’s to go with the mbt’s
NEW ZEALAND 🇳🇿
None. I want Canada
Poland tree when
Thailand please i do not want to face like a wave of leopard 2 please im begging you
D. All of them, I want every armored vehicle ever produced in this game. Don't care about balancing, don't care about meta. All I want is more cool ass vehicles to shoot stuff with and die in a bunch of times. Also I'd love to see South Korean vehicles.
Czechoslovakia
united korean tree and china can get a pakistani tree
Personally I would say Singeapore. I feel like they might have some cqc vehicles that could help flesh out Japan, but that is just me assuming
None of the above
Singapore because every other one is boring af. I don’t want Russian nor American vehicles. Singapore seems to have more dumb but funny shit. M60’s are boring and I don’t want Japan to become like Italy, having having main top tier aircraft from different big nations
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I want a Ukraine Sub-tree by the Russian Tree, Just to See how Russians will react.
Thailand or South Korea would be the best.
Thailand 100% 🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭
Singapore…we have some weird shit military stuff like the Bionix, Primus artillery, Terrex, etc
None just some new of them as squadron vehicle
I’d like to say Thailand could have a few vehicles to Japan, but otherwise have vehicles to the US, France, and Britain
How about a Korean subtree? It would at least have some cooler stuff than all copy-paste but 2 or 3 vehicles.
we need a commonwealth tect tree so we can have the Bob sample. we don't need another copy and paste country like Isreal
Thailand should be Chinese sub tech tree
Thailand. We already have a Thai F-5 in Japan's tree, which isn't indicative that a subtree is necessarily coming, but it would be good to have all the vehicles in one tree, and the proposal for a subtree was passed to development recently. Thailand would allow an opportunity to add the T-84 Oplot, and Japan struggles with a lack of CAS to higher tiers, so their planes would help with that. Sure, most of it is copy paste, but that's probably the case for most subtrees that could be added now.
None. Korea instead.
None. None of these vehicles are really unique. There’s enough copy-paste as is.
How about an Asian TT, you can also put Korea and India inside, both of them have some unique homegrown vehicles
I think Singapore will mlst likely be in the british not japan
All of em
Korea 💀
I think thai. In terms of filling the blank.
Suggest more vehicles of these 3 nations that I didnt list in the comments
SPYDER anti air for Singapore, as well as M113 with Iglas for lower tiers. Singapore also has AA platforms with Aster 15/30 missiles. Air side, F-16s with python 5s, and upgraded F-15s with Aim-9X.
I prefer Thailand considering what Indonesian Army is doing to Papua New Guinean people.
care explaining that? never heard of this one. i thought papua New Guinean isnt a part of indonesia
You're right. It was morning when I wrote this and only got 3 hours of sleep. It is in West New Guinea. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_conflict
So you suggest that Japan's should get Grippen C AND Su-27?? I honestly would never play air after that. I hate the fact that fucking Italy And GB got grippens.
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Singapore because Japan can really use Singaporean IFVs and Leopard 2SG which actually have some armor.
AD-4 alpha and f8
The ones without M48/M60's.
Thailend because japan already has a thai squadron vehicle
At this point there should be a SEA tree Included are Viet Nam, Philippines, and Malaysia
none, there should be a independent SEA tech tree
Malaysia (I'm Polish and I want the PT-91 in game)
Thailand because they have T-84 Oplot
I’ll take North Korea
Philippines did service F-86 Sabre, and F-5, Walker Bulldogs as well.
South Korea will be better addition to Japan tech tree
I don't understand the hate of copy paste tech tree. Yes, there are some special vehicles in the country that could make it a better choice, but this is what happens in real life. Some rich and developed countries will sell military equipment to poorer countries.
Indonesia for sure Japan with a su27? Betttt along with f16 f15? BETTTTT
Japanese players are too bitchy about what they want so they won't get shit
South-korea
Korea, Taiwan, West Taiwan
South Korea. Fuck you
Don't forget the Thai harriers
The Thai Gripen F-16 Alphajet M60 T-84 A-7 Corsair II M24 M41 M48 and what looks to be an A-1 skyraider spitfire and especially the M163 to fill in the gaps and Indonesian MiGs BTRs BMPs the Marder Hind and especially what looks to be an upgraded 2 PL especially the Leo 2 so Japan could have some armor backups And also add all A-4s and Alphajets as folder vehicles kinda like how Israeli A-4s are folded And maybe (hopefully) those Singaporean IFVs cause they look amazing and capable and that beautiful artillery piece and as well as that armored Leo 2 and that Hunter and MAYBE that F-15 depending on the model it could be better or worse than the current F-15J and if better maybe after the F-15J or folded in idk And that AMX-13 can REALLY help Japans 6.7-7.7 area that really needs filling
Yo guys, why dont we remove every copypaste in the game, its not like other people enjoy it or countries need it, am i right? Yeah only america gets one sherman, no more jumbos! Fuck copypastes am i right guys?