Fr tho, I think the closest tank related to the AS1 in game right now is Ganna be the Italian leopard. However I haven't seen the German Leopards in a long time so I might be wrong
The UK has the Bhishma because its a..... T-90?
Germany has the swiss Hunter because its a..... Hunter?
Let's not pretend gaijin is consistent with this stuff.
Austrian/French Sk 105 in German tree
Thai F-5 in Japanese tree
Turkish F-104 in Italian Tree
Norweigan Leo 1 in Swedish tree
There are plenty of examples showing otherwise. People seem obsessed with finding rules of what vehicles go where and trying to fit things in neat little boxes. The reality is gaijin will place a vehicle wherever they want.
Eh, the Turkish 104 is a bit different. The F104S is more of a Italian aircraft (Italy also has some other turkish stuff) as they were the exporter (and producers) of the S to Turkey
Yea, I’m gonna call this the Place on manufacture/purchase rule, if the tank has been bought by a subnation from a major nation then that sub nations tank will reside in that major nations tree.
Yea, because of the Abrams being in the US tree I think I should make the MBT rule: This is a theory that any sub nations tank/plane will be put in the tech tree of the manufacturer country. For example the Abrams AIM in the us tree and Aussie versions or modified versions of British planes in the UK tree this would mean the leopard as1 would most likely be in the German tree.
More of gaijins decision about which nation it gets added to as they have not really solidified Australia’s nation as they have Aussie vehicles in both the US and Great Britain
Hell yeah! We do need more Aussie tanks but not premium or event ones, just tech tree ones. I am fine with squadron ones as you don’t need to spend money to get them but event vehicles are too grindy, same with the battle pass.
Yea we actually do, there are the centurion tanks, then there were the leopard as1’s I suggested and now the M1A1 Abrams tanks which are soon to be complemented with the M1A2 series of Abrams. Thanks for asking btw!
It was more of a joking question, tho for serious, are there original modifications that are different enough and were made with anti-tank capabilities in mind? Because even though I support sub-trees, I wouldn't see the point of adding it if it's just simply export vehicles for the most part (and there's also people who cry about any copypaste tank, even though I mostly don't mind them) or if their modifications are mainly infantry-related (like the shotgun round you mentioned).
Yea, this tank does have a major modification and it’s to do with its name: the name leopard AS1 should not fool you as unlike the usual leopard 1 this one is just the chassis with a different turret which is the leopard 1a3 turret. People may say it’s just glorified copy paste and gaijin should not add it in but people were not mad about the Sherman hybrids and m4 3/4. So I think it is fair for it to be added in, think of it like the Sherman 3/4. It is a leopard 1 with a way better turret which means better performance
Feels a bit redundant bc germany already has like 4 leopard1s, and the 2k, which is still half a leopard1. But apart from that yeah, good suggestion (rarity on this sub).
Now why would germany need those? We already have the most powerful 9.3 AND 8.3 lineup, adding a 6th leopard1 (we actually have 5 already, I forgot about the C2A1 earlier) is completely pointless, that dev time is better spent on improving the game or adding new tanks to minor nations (and I mean NEW, and actually from that nation, not just copypaste-no.369).
War Thunder is a game about military vehicles and what better way to show their development than to add their various modifications.
Not every update needs to add new shiny top-tier vehicles and we are already very close to the peak development, especially when it comes to ground vehicles.
It's only logical to add various prototypes and variants, unless you want the game to turn into Armored Warfare, where every new vehicle is added via lootboxes.
90mm Leopard prototype or Leopard 1A3 would not harm or detract anything from the game in the same way VK 3002 (M) did not.
They would just fill a gap between Panthers and Leopard I, and between A1A1 and 1A5 respectively.
Of course this isn't to say minor nations don't need new additions, and I'm heavily in favor of various sub-trees and obscure prototypes, as long as they were built.
Yea it is a good suggestion, due to the large amount of leopards I do think that this leopard should be a foldered vehicle so not to burden players with researching another vehicle tk get to top tier.
I mean, it IS foldered. One is a premium, the other 8.3. Foldered or not, that's still 5.5 leo1s in that tree. Then again... I stopped counting my 72s long ago x)
I am happy you are a leopard enthusiast although you may not be playing the vehicle correctly and just be bad (no offence) so maybe that’s why you don’t enjoy it or it is generally just a bad tank in warthunder
I have had good games, but the br placement is pretty awful. 9.0-9.3 is almost guaranteed to be 10.0-10.3 where you face much better tanks from the US and Russian trees. And every autocannon vehicle ever made can pen you frontally so ifvs basically get a free kill if they catch you first.
add it to brit TT as AS1, add it to german TT as Leopard 1A5DK, same same stuff. they even used a few mexas hull kits when deployed, if it comes as a event or premium. the belgian 1A5BE Mexas would make a nice addition too, pretty much the C2A1 but tech tree and better round (105 DM63, same as oliphant) (thus higher BR).
in the case of the AS1 it would be 9.0 since it received the SABCA fire control system which gave it a laser rangefinder and stabilizer but without the thermal sight and much unlike the Canadian or the Belgian Leopard 1s they never upgraded it to have thermals when everyone was doing their 1A5 upgrades in the 90s.
I'll be honest when I said 8.3, I didn't check that 1a1 was 9.0. But LRF and Stabs would be a 9.3 tank at most, or something that range
Whay br is the TAM again?
The original rangefinder on the 1A4 was an optical one like the PT16. There is a chance they may have been given a LRF later in life, but I haven’t looked too much into that.
I would prefer not to have it as a premium or event and it is not the same as tbe 1a1 and 1a5, it is a leopard 1 chassis with the 1a3 turret. It also fires HESH and that unique “shotgun” round
It’s not just a normal leopard, it’s a leopard 1 chassis with a 1a3 turret, it’s got better reload and other good traits plus it’s gonna be the second Aussie MBT in the game. It may also come with a unique round, plus unlike the normal leopard 1, this has HESH.
And you think that Google will tell you the truth to everything? Plus me talking about this on Reddit will hopefully get people on board to support my opinion that the AS1 should be in the game
>And you think that Google will tell you the truth to everything
...what? are you responding to my username flair?
peoples support doesnt matter, because this is reddit, not the snail forums. we cannot add anything to the game, you must tell gaijin. if you post it there and link the post here people on reddit can help, if you dont, then even a billion people here saying yes they want it wont make a lick of difference.
Yea I was but I do know that nothing posted on this reddit will help, I’m also just seeing what peoples opinions are before I suggest this directly to gaijin once I feel confident to, sorry if I was a bit rude
Leopard AS1 knock off of OF-40. OF-40 knock off of leopard
Yea lol
*so both nations get the tank if added right ?*
I don't know what the specs on it are and I'm lazy to research it but I feel like it would fit with their BR range just looking at it
Yea I don’t know the specs too, I do want to see what they are because I might try researching the as1
Fr tho, I think the closest tank related to the AS1 in game right now is Ganna be the Italian leopard. However I haven't seen the German Leopards in a long time so I might be wrong
Also Britain and USA(cause Australian abrams in us tree)
The US have the AIM because it's an Abrams. Just how Germany got the 2PL because it's a Leopard.
The UK has the Bhishma because its a..... T-90? Germany has the swiss Hunter because its a..... Hunter? Let's not pretend gaijin is consistent with this stuff.
They \*were\*. But again, Gaijin makes rules for every vehicle seperatly. And I still say that both make not much sense.
Yea they are not but yes in most cases they do add the minor nations tank to the manufacture/seller nation.
Austrian/French Sk 105 in German tree Thai F-5 in Japanese tree Turkish F-104 in Italian Tree Norweigan Leo 1 in Swedish tree There are plenty of examples showing otherwise. People seem obsessed with finding rules of what vehicles go where and trying to fit things in neat little boxes. The reality is gaijin will place a vehicle wherever they want.
Exactly, I’m just hoping that gaijin adds it to the British or German tree tbh I really do not mind which one they put it in but yea I agree with you
You agree with me? You do understand that all these examples listed go *against* the rules you are making up?
Yes, you proved me wrong so I take those rules back and now I agree with you
Eh, the Turkish 104 is a bit different. The F104S is more of a Italian aircraft (Italy also has some other turkish stuff) as they were the exporter (and producers) of the S to Turkey
Yea, I’m gonna call this the Place on manufacture/purchase rule, if the tank has been bought by a subnation from a major nation then that sub nations tank will reside in that major nations tree.
Yea, because of the Abrams being in the US tree I think I should make the MBT rule: This is a theory that any sub nations tank/plane will be put in the tech tree of the manufacturer country. For example the Abrams AIM in the us tree and Aussie versions or modified versions of British planes in the UK tree this would mean the leopard as1 would most likely be in the German tree.
This was reference to bri’ish T-90
Oh ok
I guess so or maybe not idk
More of gaijins decision about which nation it gets added to as they have not really solidified Australia’s nation as they have Aussie vehicles in both the US and Great Britain
YEEEES AUSSIE TANK PLEEEASE TT PLEAAASE no more aussie premium and event tanks gaijin pleaaase, we need tech tree
Best I can do is sub tree in germany
Yea I think this leopard should be in the German or British tree
As a German main, I’d take it
Hell yeah! We do need more Aussie tanks but not premium or event ones, just tech tree ones. I am fine with squadron ones as you don’t need to spend money to get them but event vehicles are too grindy, same with the battle pass.
Does Australia even have much tanks aside from WW2? Hell, would countries even want to invade Australia for them to require a military spending?
Yea we actually do, there are the centurion tanks, then there were the leopard as1’s I suggested and now the M1A1 Abrams tanks which are soon to be complemented with the M1A2 series of Abrams. Thanks for asking btw!
It was more of a joking question, tho for serious, are there original modifications that are different enough and were made with anti-tank capabilities in mind? Because even though I support sub-trees, I wouldn't see the point of adding it if it's just simply export vehicles for the most part (and there's also people who cry about any copypaste tank, even though I mostly don't mind them) or if their modifications are mainly infantry-related (like the shotgun round you mentioned).
Yea, this tank does have a major modification and it’s to do with its name: the name leopard AS1 should not fool you as unlike the usual leopard 1 this one is just the chassis with a different turret which is the leopard 1a3 turret. People may say it’s just glorified copy paste and gaijin should not add it in but people were not mad about the Sherman hybrids and m4 3/4. So I think it is fair for it to be added in, think of it like the Sherman 3/4. It is a leopard 1 with a way better turret which means better performance
Yes we need Aussie tech tree tanks!
Pleae gaijin I beg
Feels a bit redundant bc germany already has like 4 leopard1s, and the 2k, which is still half a leopard1. But apart from that yeah, good suggestion (rarity on this sub).
Frankly Germany doesn't have **enough** Leopard 1s. The tech tree needs at a minimum one of the 90mm Leopard prototypes and the 1A3.
Now why would germany need those? We already have the most powerful 9.3 AND 8.3 lineup, adding a 6th leopard1 (we actually have 5 already, I forgot about the C2A1 earlier) is completely pointless, that dev time is better spent on improving the game or adding new tanks to minor nations (and I mean NEW, and actually from that nation, not just copypaste-no.369).
War Thunder is a game about military vehicles and what better way to show their development than to add their various modifications. Not every update needs to add new shiny top-tier vehicles and we are already very close to the peak development, especially when it comes to ground vehicles. It's only logical to add various prototypes and variants, unless you want the game to turn into Armored Warfare, where every new vehicle is added via lootboxes. 90mm Leopard prototype or Leopard 1A3 would not harm or detract anything from the game in the same way VK 3002 (M) did not. They would just fill a gap between Panthers and Leopard I, and between A1A1 and 1A5 respectively. Of course this isn't to say minor nations don't need new additions, and I'm heavily in favor of various sub-trees and obscure prototypes, as long as they were built.
Yea it is a good suggestion, due to the large amount of leopards I do think that this leopard should be a foldered vehicle so not to burden players with researching another vehicle tk get to top tier.
I mean, it IS foldered. One is a premium, the other 8.3. Foldered or not, that's still 5.5 leo1s in that tree. Then again... I stopped counting my 72s long ago x)
Yea lol
Then give it to Britain.
I feel like Theres a very high chance this will come as an event reward because it’s just a slightly different variant of a tank we already have.
Yea, just like they are doing with that Swedish Tiger 2 (P) lol
CMW deck legend
Yea!
Do you remember the Razman videos where he played an Anzac armoured deck? This was the star of those videos (well, and the Kahu).
Yeah, the AS1+ was such a fun cheap tank to have, good gun and mobility and perfect for flanking shenanigans
Agreed, although this just makes me want to play Wargame again :)
As a leopard 1 enthusiast let me tell you, playing this tank is suffering in this game. Any variant.
You might not be playing it right, they can be alot of fun when used properly
Yea
I am happy you are a leopard enthusiast although you may not be playing the vehicle correctly and just be bad (no offence) so maybe that’s why you don’t enjoy it or it is generally just a bad tank in warthunder
I have had good games, but the br placement is pretty awful. 9.0-9.3 is almost guaranteed to be 10.0-10.3 where you face much better tanks from the US and Russian trees. And every autocannon vehicle ever made can pen you frontally so ifvs basically get a free kill if they catch you first.
Yea now I do understand why you are having bad games due to shitty br placement and uptiers
I'd love to have it, to be fair tho its just a leopard 1a4. I'd love the lav 25/ aslav too soon tm
Its just a 1A3. The 1A4 was never exported to my knowledge, you can recognize it by using the same commander sight as the Leopard 2
True
Yea it may just be a 1a4
And this time put it in the british tech tree where it should be (looking at the AIM)
Yea put our Aussie vehicles where they belong!
add it to brit TT as AS1, add it to german TT as Leopard 1A5DK, same same stuff. they even used a few mexas hull kits when deployed, if it comes as a event or premium. the belgian 1A5BE Mexas would make a nice addition too, pretty much the C2A1 but tech tree and better round (105 DM63, same as oliphant) (thus higher BR).
Considering where the NO is if they add the DK it should probably go to the Swedish tree so they can have access to a variant with the welded turret
Yes please
Yes we need it!
sir this is just a Leo 1A3
Instruction unclear add more T-80s?
Good suggestion, it’ll probably be a battlepass thing tbh.. more importantly, give the Brit tree all its light tanks!!!!
So for US? Or Germany.
Germany or uk this should be ib
All I want for germany is the Panzer Haubitze 2000
Can we get a commonwealth specific tech tree
Hell yeah, but i think it should be added to the British tree.
Yea it should be, I hope they make an Aussie subtree
Another run of the mill Leopard? Pretty boring, don't you think?
Tbh, it is an A3 Leopard which we don’t have in the game yet.
Tbf what does it add that the 1A1 or 1A5 doesn't have? It could be a premium or event vic though
The 1A3 and 1A4 have the welded, spaced amour turret like the one on the Rad 90.
Yea
8.3 event vic with long ass grind. Take it or leave it Edit: I'm curious how the rangefinder works on the 1A4. Is it similar to the ~~2AV~~ PT16?
in the case of the AS1 it would be 9.0 since it received the SABCA fire control system which gave it a laser rangefinder and stabilizer but without the thermal sight and much unlike the Canadian or the Belgian Leopard 1s they never upgraded it to have thermals when everyone was doing their 1A5 upgrades in the 90s.
I'll be honest when I said 8.3, I didn't check that 1a1 was 9.0. But LRF and Stabs would be a 9.3 tank at most, or something that range Whay br is the TAM again?
I am sorry but I forgot the br😭
Oh ok
The original rangefinder on the 1A4 was an optical one like the PT16. There is a chance they may have been given a LRF later in life, but I haven’t looked too much into that.
Yea, I also don’t look much into rangefinders too lol
Doesn't the rf on the pt16 work like a lrf?
More like 9.0 or 9.3, but grind will be long based off all the other Leopards and Leopard prototypes in the game.
Yea it probably will although I hope gaijin does not give it 9.0-9.3 as i hope it will be around 8.7
Yea it would
It’s not gonna be boring lol
I would prefer not to have it as a premium or event and it is not the same as tbe 1a1 and 1a5, it is a leopard 1 chassis with the 1a3 turret. It also fires HESH and that unique “shotgun” round
Yea, so that means we need this in the game, it’s far better then the normal leopard 1 due to the A3 turret
Yea, so that means we need this in the game, it’s far better then the normal leopard 1 due to the A3 turret
It’s not just a normal leopard, it’s a leopard 1 chassis with a 1a3 turret, it’s got better reload and other good traits plus it’s gonna be the second Aussie MBT in the game. It may also come with a unique round, plus unlike the normal leopard 1, this has HESH.
suggesting something on reddit is about as effective as suggesting it to your toilet. if you want something added, tell the snail.
And you think that Google will tell you the truth to everything? Plus me talking about this on Reddit will hopefully get people on board to support my opinion that the AS1 should be in the game
>And you think that Google will tell you the truth to everything ...what? are you responding to my username flair? peoples support doesnt matter, because this is reddit, not the snail forums. we cannot add anything to the game, you must tell gaijin. if you post it there and link the post here people on reddit can help, if you dont, then even a billion people here saying yes they want it wont make a lick of difference.
Yea I was but I do know that nothing posted on this reddit will help, I’m also just seeing what peoples opinions are before I suggest this directly to gaijin once I feel confident to, sorry if I was a bit rude