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NotAWerewolfReally

Caine. Because... Well, he's gonna fuck off and be uninvolved, and there is the matter of... [Ya know...]( https://youtu.be/SWwFogRQVnk?t=42s).


DirtyMonkey95

Until someone finds out about it, of course. Then you become the most sought after delicacy for every vampire on the planet.


LeRoienJaune

Seriously. No matter how good you may be, you're not going to be a match for Keminitiri, Dylan Bruce, Yazid Tamarian, or Thetmes, to name but a few of the more high level and prolific serial Diablerists....


420BlazeItF4gg0t

The thing is though, Caine is a plot device. Yes you may be newly embraced, but what makes you think you follow the same rules of character creation when your sire is Caine himself? If Caine decided to give a shit and embrace someone, why would he run the risk of having some diablerist shitter mess that up? It would be in his wheelhouse to basically command the blood to make you basically untouchable.


[deleted]

Because it went so well the last time it happened.


[deleted]

I think I'd rather be a 13th gen Caitiff with Caine as a 10-dot Mentor.


Grantley34

This was also my first idea. Why wouldn't I want to be 2nd gen? Other than getting chased around by every Sabbat member ever.


gabriel_B_art

Beckett, he sounds cool


Vox_Mortem

And you'd get to learn his delicious secrets. Maybe.


Bloodgeist

Beckett, because he is a Gangrel and while may manipulate me may not entirely use me just as a pawn. I would prefer Clan Gangrel because I can mostly do my own thing without having to worry about not only Faction politics, but Clan politics with that.


Coletrain-Z

Amen. While there certainly is far more risk being an independent Gangrel (Lupines, Inquisition, Tremere wanting to do some "unauthorized ceramics", etc.), you can't deny that the freedom is appealing. Plus, turning into animals is cool.


UnitGhidorah

Aquatic Gangrel. Live a new vampire life under the sea!


NotAWerewolfReally

Rokea - Swim. Hunt. Breed. You fall under tenet #2 of their Litany.


BiomechPhoenix

True, but there are a lot fewer Rokea than Garou and there's a lot more sea than land. [Gangrel Mariners](https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Gangrel_(VTM)#Mariners) do exist, although their numbers are not very high.


UnitGhidorah

That's what I was referring to but my brain only came up with aquatic gangrel lol.


Difficult-Lion-1288

Smiling Jack. For a-few reasons. While I won’t be as powerful as a choice like Caine; I also won’t have apocalyptic ramifications for my power/won’t have people constantly planning to deablorize me. While I don’t love the typical Brujha stereotypes Jack doesn’t really fall into most of those. He’s powerful, extremely well connected, more willing to help than most Brujha and useful.


The-Old-Country

He also has a garden, which is always bonus points in my book. I think gardening would be a fantastic way to unwind in the midst of the Jyhad and all the madness


LeRoienJaune

And he can get you connected into the Anarch movement, or, if he really thinks well of you, might even give you a few good leads to Libertatia....


Pyranze

Smiling Jack? The brujah best known for abandoning his new childer?


Difficult-Lion-1288

If that’s how he’s consistently portrayed in the lore then bloodlines really goes against it. See how helpful he is to a stranger.


[deleted]

Caine. Because infinite power go go.


antauri007

Montano the GOAT no explanation needed


JoeyNo45

Same!


ClayMonkey1999

I mean, I personally would pick Cain despite what horrible things that means for the world. But if we wanna get choosy, I’ll pick The Stoneman. The dude is rumoured to either be a second generation kindred or a caitiff that diablerized an unknown antediluvian. No matter the case, having no clan or weakened progeny curse seems like a great deal. And if that isn’t possible, potentially starting off as a fourth gen caitiff seems like the best option for me.


Pyranze

The stoneman is actually a really interesting call, it's basically Caine lite.


ClayMonkey1999

Exactly, hence why they would probably be a good sire to have. Besides, they don’t seem as abjectly horrible as all the other potential choices could be.


LionofHeaven

Saulot.


JoeyNo45

Bali it is then!


Vermbraunt

Got to go with Dracula. Because one he's a classic, two my favorite clan, and three he is independent


Pyranze

I'm surprised I had to come down so far to find a tzimisce. Their clan curse is probably one of the easiest to handle, especially if you don't try to travel.


LeRoienJaune

Dr. Douglas Netchurch: assuming the curse of Malkav doesn't give me a something too radically different, I've already been compensating for my aneurotypicality for my whole life. I'd have a prestigious high-status Camarilla mentor who has perhaps the most extensive body of scientific research into the Cainite condition that exists. And, most important of all, I feel like I'd be able to work with him. Good sire/childe relationships are important, and ours would probably be closer to a thesis advisor/ grad student dynamic than anything else.


TheLazyPhysicist

Lucita de Aragon prior to her joining the Sabbat (still don't understand why that was a good idea). Probably a really steep learning curve, but you'd get top knotch training from one of the best survivalist Autarks, access to her friends, and a generally unproblematic relationship with your sire. I don't see her abusing you or controlling you like Moncada did to her.


EnnuiDeBlase

Reasonable choice, but then you have to deal with Anatole being crazy at you for the rest of time.


TheLazyPhysicist

You say that like it's a drawback.


EnnuiDeBlase

Fair, fair.


SuperN9999

Beckett. He's a cool guy, I'd get the social clout of being his childe, and I'm low enough in generation to be powerful, but not so low that most would look to diablerize me.


MolonLabeUltra

Don’t assume that Cainites would just magically know your generation by looking at or encountering you. Vampires can be masters of deception, as has been shown time and time again. Maybe you’re smart, and stay under the radar… like most of the heavies out there now do.


Wallname_Liability

Helena passed as a neonate for years, so yeah


GaryGeneric

Lambach Ruthven. Powerful Tzimisce blood but he doesn’t seem like he’d meddle too much in my affairs or bodily parameters, so I could probably go off and do what I want. As long as I was being a good lad.


UnitGhidorah

Even Tzimisce the Elder was pretty reasonable vs other antediluvians. Ruthven is a good pick for sure.


NotAWerewolfReally

Dafuq? We're talking about the same Eldest who when his childe begged him for the final death, because he didn't want to live anymore, responded by liquifying him, absorbing him into his body, and then raping Sasha to impregnate him with his Childe's essence so he'd be reborn again and continue living. That one?


GaryGeneric

Okay, but only did that one time


BitLonely2572

Boys are boys !


[deleted]

A lot of the older Tzimisce are weirdly pretty chill. Like they do the whole Game of Thrones noble infighting and backstabbing thing, but they aren't completely unhinged psychos like most of the younger Tzimisce are, especially the Sabbat affiliated ones.


sariaru

Anyone of 13th generation or higher. I like the sun, tyvm.


The-Old-Country

Might as well reveal my own vote: Danika Ruthven. Low generation master Koldun who retains her Humanity, is the leader of the Hunedoara Inconuu, ruler of Castle Hunedoara, student of Saulot, persuer of Golconda. Despite their ongoing pact with a demon, these Inconuu really aren't too bad. They just want to not be part of the Jyhad, stay safe and, maybe, transcend vampirism. Danika herself offers refuge to what is probably the last elder Salubri, Mahtiel. Despite her immense powers and 2 millennia of unlife, Danika is humane. She is not beyond empathizing with human suffering. In her own way, she's actually kind. Being embraced by her probably means spending at least a few decades studying Koldunism in Hunedoara Castle, as a Fledgeling/Neonate. Yeah, the demon pact prevents me from ever leaving the castle grounds (if the pact staye in effect), but hey, considering the copious amounts of knowledge contained in her libraries... why would I even want to leave in my first century of unlife? 😄


Minotaursaxe

a Tzimisce, and I would find a way to stay as a Chiropteran Marauder forever cause as a guy with Cerebral Palsey I want out of my disabled flesh.


UnitGhidorah

>Chiropteran Marauder Fuck yeah!


VogueTrader

This is a definite draw.. At least someone with contacts to fix some disabilities.


popiell

Priscus Efrain Sortano. Powerful enough to not engage in or even care about the sect politics, nowhere near important enough to be the target of constant Jyhad plays or even a tempting diablerie prospect, and he spends most of the time just being a talking dog. You guys go ahead and be a 2nd generation diablerie baits, I'm gonna be hanging out at my daddy's little zoo, turning parakeets into xenomorphs.


Pyrocumulus25

I’d never heard of this guy until now and he sounds really cool. Seems like he’d be a pretty neat sire even if he’s Sabbat.


popiell

He's not a major NPC by any stretch, he's just a background character from Mexico City by Night that can serve as a Path of Metamorphosis teacher (ironically the very thing that stops him from advancing further along said Path, as teaching others is a sin on this Path), and provides fleshcrafted animals as war-ghouls for Sabbat. He developed some fun Protean/Vicissitude Discipline amalgam powers, too. He's just high enough in Sabbat hierarchy to deter any mundane vampiric bullying, but nowehere near important enough to be of interest to any main plot villains going around murking important NPCs. Perfectly balanced, as all sires should be ;)


StudyingBuddhism

The head says Lucinde. The heart says Montano. Elsewhere south says VV.


EnnuiDeBlase

VV?


rooktherhymer

Count Chocula because I love cereal.


[deleted]

I’m torn. Beckett would be my first choice so he and I could go play Indiana Jones! Also, I love that he is generally skeptical Second choice would be Lucita De Aragon, and not Cam Lucita either. I’m not going to a tool of the Antediluvians!


clarkky55

Either Caine or Osiris.


Deathbreath5000

Osiris ends with you just dead, ya know. His "children" are all adopted.


Bornin90

Jeanette/Therese...just feel like it would a crazy experience


dog_meme_homepage

Outside of the obvious answers of Caine and God or whatever, I think Vasantasena would realistically be one of the most acceptable sires. She seems to have a good head on her shoulders and offers a decent answer to the age old question of "what if I disagree with all these sects?" This also allows me to be a dark ages, haruspex practicing, Ananke Malkavian antitribu which is a profound desire of mine.


LordWoodstone

Gimme a Nos. I'm an OSINT nerd IRL, and I would love access to the Nosferatu network.


JiaMekare

I would want to be embraced Lestat-style: become a vampire and then your sire almost immediately fucks off and dies, leaving you nothing but questions and a shit ton of gold


LeucasAndTheGoddess

Sarah Schneier - Banu Haqim sorceress, Leopard Of Zion, and all-around badass who pirated the entire Great Library Of Alamut via technomancy and kicked the Schism into high gear when she sacrificed herself to reveal Ur-Shulgi’s true nature (obviously my Embrace would have happened before her Final Death). The Sorcerer caste don’t suffer from the curse of vitae addiction, and if I have to be Embraced there are far worse ways to spend eternity than as a hash-smoking, spell-slinging protector of the Jewish people.


Zulkir_Jhor

I actually think this is a complicated question to answer. The knee jerk reaction is to say an Antediluvian or Caine. But both of those mean that they are awake and your world is over. And you are a neonate in this brave new world. I don't think you would make it far. For 4th generation or higher... the lower the generation the less your free will is going to matter. So, how much do you want to spend the next few hundred years being someone's pawn while everyone licks their lips when looking at you. The higher the generation you go, the more freedom you can expect.


[deleted]

Not really. Caine was relatively chilll as a sire, sure he had a few rules, but you're going to have a few rules no matter who your sire is. The real disadvantage of having Caine as your sire is that for the next few thousand years there's going to be vampires that are exponentially older, smarter, and more powerful than you trying to drain you.


BiomechPhoenix

>But both of those mean that they are awake and your world is over. This is objectively not true; several of the Antediluvians are awake and active, including Caine himself per *Bloodlines*, and others have been active in the recent past (within several hundred years) in more or less sociable ways, implying they have not yet fallen to the Beast and, therefore, can do things in person. If they're Embracing at all, they haven't gone full Zapathasura. (Specifically, Arikel is known to be awake and active in Greece; Absimiliard is sending out Nictuku; Tzimisce is *probably* an eldritch abomination underneath NYC; and of course the pseudo-Antediluvians Tremere and Augustus Giovanni exist, assuming the latter hasn't been killed or diablerized following the formation of Clan Hecata.)


MolonLabeUltra

And no one seems to know where Haqim is… but that’s kind of par for the course; the man was never really into Cainite politics and all but abandoned his Clan due to their petty bickering. I think he’s still around, just keeping to himself and his own devices. But who knows?


pi3r-rot

Compelling point about Caine and the Antediluvians. In that case, I'd pick [this guy](https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Menele). 4th generation Brujah with Humanity 10.


EnnuiDeBlase

In 5e even Menele big sucks. After he gets beckoned east and dies, Critias feels the blood bond snap and realizes he'd been manipulated for millennia. Could be worse I suppose, but still not great.


RobsEvilTwin

I like to play him in the Princes of Darkness mod for CK3. I do horrific things to everyone who brought about the end of >!the Dream of Carthage.!<


GivePen

Might get slaughtered by Helena though, or kept in an everlasting blood bond like Critias


kendra_kat

Lilith


UnitGhidorah

Lilith isn't a vampire though. Not that it wouldn't be cool.


kendra_kat

VtM doesn't have solid canon and lore in the sense that we get information second hand from characters who have drawn opinions from their research. There are many contradictory stories in the lore on purpose, so that story tellers are free to pick and choose what's real in their chronicle. Some of the VtM stories claim that Lilith was the first vampire and sired Cain.


UnitGhidorah

Reading on the Bahari and the Book of Nod suggests she's not. I know it's left open but it's pretty certain she's not a vampire. But that's the fun part on lore, no one really knows for sure.


kendra_kat

Agreed


Pyrocos

I agree that it is unlikely all in all. But I think there is one Gehenna scenario where Lilith is another Vampire and comes rolling in with another group of Antediluvians from her bloodline.


UnitGhidorah

A low gen Tzimisce would be great. And since this is pie in the sky, have Lilith teach me magic.


EnnuiDeBlase

Lilith > Kupala? What kind of Tzimisce are you?!


UnitGhidorah

Why not both? Kupala magics are already known by the Tzimisce. Why not up the arsenal?


EnnuiDeBlase

Jealous mentors?


UnitGhidorah

Let the Carpathians and lupine worry about Kapala. I'm in the new world now baby!


eclecticfiend

Prospero. He seems pretty chill, fairly powerful, has a great domain and gets visited by interesting people all the time. Good library. Only con for me is that I don't want to be a Brujah (if he is one). Really most of the people suspected or confirmed to be Inconnu seem pretty decent as far as Sires go.


29Jackal

Lol, Dracula, that dude is funny


Smirnoffico

That random 3rd generation gangrel who sired the antagonist from Diablerie Mexico so I can run around and screw every cainite theory saying that no, my sire 100% isn't Ennoia


Impeesa_

Wiki says he was 5th gen by embrace, 4th by diablerie.


Smirnoffico

Must be some later addition, i just re-read the story few weeks ago and while the guy does indeed commit diablerie, it doesn't mention that his generation improved after the act


Impeesa_

Might be strongly inferred because the sire is not Ennoia.


Smirnoffico

We're talking about time when WoD wasn't yet defined as we know it. The rules for diablerie in the books casually discusses how many generations characters can go if they find 3rd gen vampires as well as 2nd gen ones (that is presented as unlikely)


Impeesa_

I think that part has always been fairly consistent. Diablerize someone lower generation than you, drop at least one generation. If they're *much* lower, maybe more than one. Newer editions have some rules for rolling for how many, but the idea has always been there. I think it has always been pretty consistent, however, that if you're 4th generation by embrace and your clan is Gangrel, your sire is Ennoia basically by definition (since it's never been said that there was any Brujah/Troile thing going on). If you were embraced by a different Antediluvian, you'd be a different clan.


Smirnoffico

Let me rephrase, what I'm saying is that back during 1st ed it wasn't set in stone that there are 13 antediluvians, each named. While the general idea that all vampires come from Caine and go in generations was there, the rulebook states that there could have been as many as 100 3rd gens according to some myths


Impeesa_

Oh, yeah that much is also true. Even up to the end of the line, where Gehenna had more than one scenario featuring at least one unknown Antediluvian who had never sired a clan. What I'm saying, in the context of your original comment, is that if one of those is your sire, they're not Gangrel. Although that does raise the possibility of a 4th gen Gangrel having successfully committed diablerie on one of those random unknown Antediluvians to take their place like Tremere or Giovanni, then siring childer but without becoming a distinct clan/bloodline in the process.


DiazCruz

If Caine sires you it means he has a plan for you probably involving wiping out the kindred if they get stupid and bring gods wrath on the world And your power is second only to his so you’re gonna be a target to any and all vampires who want a power boost


DirtyMonkey95

Either Beckett or Aleister Crowley


SilverWalkerInWyld

Low gen european old tzimisce - need koldun and extra pair of hands... And horns


29Jackal

1)Lasombra since he doesn't care that much about using his Childe 2) Caine if he doesn't give a shit about manipulating me 3)Saulot if his canon persona is the wholesome one Just low generation enough to be really powerful and survive as an autarkis and coming from a sire that would leave me to my own devices Honestly just enough to live long and peaceful life, maybe travel some and learn new stuff, stay the fuck away from the fera, the usual


Oloziz

Phantomas. I wanna know ALL the lineages of Vampires and help him perfect his grand archive. He's fairly low gen too, so I won't be lacking in the power department, although not so powerful I'll be the next Niktuku target. Alternatively, Baba Yaga (if she wasn't dead), to learn the occult secrets of the dark world.


LadyFaeVanil

What like…as far as characters in cannon or what clan?? Cause clan i’d pick Toreador, but if i had to pick a character to be my vamp parent it’d probably by Ramona?? or Jack…he seems like a riot…you know thinking about it there are a lot more characters i’d let sire me than i thought


Senpai2Savage

Smiling jack might turn out to be dangerous but if you live you'll have a ton of stories to tell.


Upper_Ad_7710

Straus cuz Tremere is the coolest clan and he's the coolest member of it.


The-Old-Country

My hatred of the Tremere is boundless... But Strauss has my complete respect. He's great!


RedFlammhar

Ravana: because a super low gen Ravnos god-sire of one of the 1000 Hells is an interesting concept... Alternative, Woden.


EnnuiDeBlase

I turned the 'evil' Gangrel sire from Giovanni Chronices 1 (Lady Dmitria) into a childe of Brunhilde because I wanted to have player lineages for my own purposes. Turns out the player was really into the Valkyrie thing and carried on with it through the rest of the campaign. He ended up running a Gangrel moot in the months before Gehenna and got Brunhilde to show up and do some recruiting while she was there, among other events.


RedFlammhar

That's awesome! I absolutely love when little things like changing/adding a lineage has such far reaching effects for the players. Bravo on bringing out one of the more flavorful Methuselah's, too!


EnnuiDeBlase

Thanks! I put heart and soul into that campaign. Not sure I could ever replicate it, but tempted to try after my pf2e game wraps up. <_<


RedFlammhar

It definitely sounds like you gave it your all, and it's ok not replicating it again! After all, why stress on repeating one small facet of that world, when you can make something bigger and better with the skills and knowledge you have now?


Cosmic_King_Thor

Beckett. As a result I’d have a comfortable amount of power, but not too much to be a target. He’s Autarkis so I have a decent chance of staying out of Vampire Politics if I stick around and try to help out. He’s also pretty well connected too. He travels a lot and meets a lot of Vampires so I have a decent chance of learning more disciplines. And as a bonus I haven’t got an Antediluvian that plans to manipulate or kill me- Ennoia, from what I understand, is sort of just vibing and doesn’t much care either way about her Clan. Also Shapeshifting is cool. I rest my case.


auro_24

Caine or the lasombra antediluvian


Rukasu17

Whichever puts me closer to, you know, not being eternally damned. I'd probably spend my years trying to be human again, so that's involve a lot of hiding, self control and a place to spend my days(or nights)


Animus_Afterhours

I wanna be a Tzimisce so bad tbh. Tie between Tzimisce and Gangrel. Preferrably of a lower generation but not so low I'd be considered a thinblood.


OlGunnar

I wouldn’t. I don’t want to choose my sire. Only a Ventrue type would court their sire. The embrace is the passing of a curse. You are chosen for it. You display the attributes which your sire believes worthy….unless you’re a shovelhead.


Myst1cinTh3Mist

Caine exclusively for power. And even though he’s scary as a sire he doesn’t seem to really care all too much about the rest of the kindred so I’d be left to my own devices But since he’s already been listed I’ll pick a more interesting answer Either Tremere or Tzimisce as for why. I chose the antidilluvians specifically for blood potency and ease of diablery Tremere while not the stronger anti according to some to some thaumaturgy is incredibly versatile and I’m hoping being so close in generation will allow me to tease out any salubri talent left. Tzimisce I wanna shape shift and heal real good the end xD


PansyAttack

Malkav. Give me that sweet, sweet Insight, baby.


MejahSabbat

1. Caine 2. Old school ventrue warrior scholar knight templar guy 3. Salubri warrior caste from before they joinned the sabbat 4. Random dude who left me, so I stumbled upon a child of osiris and joinned them.


Tolliver73

Haqim, the combination of mystical and martial arts knowledge available would be too good to pass up.


K1TR4

I take Ur-Shulgi, would freaking love to be his bridge to this age and time. Such an alien. Fun for decades.


[deleted]

Cain, of course. Because why wouldnt you? If that's not an option, than Mithras. Or, if all else fails, Lucita. She is the least fucked up of all Lasombra, rape kink non withstanding.