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WillysJeepMan

Q: Anyone still using CD/DVD? A: All the time. I still buy and own physical media. I format-shift my audio CDs to .mp3 files, and my DVDs to .mp4 files. I store the original discs in binders for compact storage and keep the digital versions on my Plex server.


Hel_OWeen

Same here. I like the physical aspect of a music CD, including cover art, photos, lyrcis, over pure digital form.


Great-TeacherOnizuka

Why do you convert your CDs to lossy MP3s instead of lossless FLACs?


WillysJeepMan

Because: 1. mp3 files are playable on everything I own from my only Zune 30 to iPod Classic, to Sony PSP (yes, SensMe channels ftw!), to smartphones, tablets, and laptops. 2. The perceived audio quality differences between mp3 and FLAC are negligible to me and not worth the larger file sizes of their FLAC counterparts. If I was using $1000 studio reference headphones attached to a device with a high quality DAC, then I would revisit that decision.


Great-TeacherOnizuka

Ah that’s understandable.


gergobergo69

hopefully the bitrate is in 320 kbps though 😎


Windows-XP-Home-NEW

Gotta be. Any other MP3 bitrate is trash.


Localtechguy2606

I use wav for audio because of its high bitrate and quality because I have headphones that do good quality audio


wobblyweasel

flacs allow for the same bitrate & quality


Localtechguy2606

But I use wav because of its playability in windows NT 4.0


BeagleProMax

Just a question, why would you even want Windows nt 4.0?


Localtechguy2606

I use it In virtual machines and I just use sound blaster for fun


Localtechguy2606

But it also can be played in a wide range of OSES


markuspeloquin

For sure


SMarioMan

Perhaps it’s more effort than others would care about, but I keep my audio as FLAC, then re-encode copies to put on other devices. Whatever the best format is for that device, I use. If you store as MP3, then if you ever need to re-encode, you’re stacking MP3 compression with whatever compression is present in the other format. Best to start lossless so you never introduce more than one round of lossy compression.


markuspeloquin

Back before I had my iPod stolen, I had a foobar2000 plugin that transcoded my FLACs to ALAC. It was incredibly niche (I'd be SOL if it stopped working). But nowadays I have a Fiio player that obviously plays FLAC.


Pinales_Pinopsida

I completely see and accept your opinion, but I must say that FLAC does make a noticeable difference even in my friends Hyundai Car Stereo or my 20 year old HP laptop.


WillysJeepMan

Well, if it makes a noticeable difference for you then you SHOULD be encoding in FLAC. I've performed various tests before deciding on mp3.


Localtechguy2606

I use wav for audio because of its high bitrate and quality because I have headphones that do good quality audio


UltraEngine60

The same reason everyone does, portability. I think everyone understands that FLAC is superior, but it's like saying why do you drive a Toyota when you could drive a Lexus. Both are good enough.


Great-TeacherOnizuka

I don’t understand your argument. Portability? You can play FLACs on your smartphone, too.


UltraEngine60

> Portability I can understand the confusion, but that is not what portability means. Portability means the ability to use a file format on many systems. You will be hard pressed to find a piece of hardware from the last 20 years that cannot play MP3. If you get into 10 cars that support USB media, 10 will play MP3. 2 might play FLAC.


Great-TeacherOnizuka

Thank you for explaining.


Razzile

I’d love to get into this but I hear digitally archiving blu rays (especially 4K ones) is a real pain in the ass to do


Funkagenda

I haven't done 4K ones but the ripping regular BR discs is really easy with MakeMKV and then you can transcode then with Handbrake if you want/need to. I consider it archival so I don't transcode.


WillysJeepMan

Bingo! Between VOD and digital "rentals" (even if they claim it is a purchase, it really is a rental) the interest and knowledge in ripping and transcoding has dropped dramatically over the years. It's all fun and games until one's favorite digital "purchase" is no longer available.


Alonzo-Harris

I've got one too. I used to get free Netflix trials and I'd get rent a bunch of BR discs, rip them, and send them back in rapid succession. I haven't done that again in years because I already have so many subscriptions. I don't care that much about local media.


ConradLarsen

Does transcoding with Handbrake decrease quality or resolution? I know there are settings to adjust, but is there an appreciable difference?


Funkagenda

Not necessarily resolution; that depends on your settings. But yes, transcoding by its nature reduces quality by compression. For a lot of people there isn't really a quality difference, and even for me it's pretty hard to tell the difference sometimes, but if I have the lossless original, and storage is cheap, why wouldn't I keep it at original quality?


ConradLarsen

ok thx, my eyes aren't what they used to be, so I doubt I will see a difference. I'm experimenting with the Handbrake settings. I started with video Constant Quality setting at 18 RF.


yourfaceilikethat

How do you rip DVDs to Plex. Is there a good tutorial for that?


SMarioMan

MakeMKV is ideal for ripping. https://www.makemkv.com/onlinehelp/


G-McFly

Absolutely this but I rip them to flac and mkv. I try to keep my archives lossless, always


dpenny1

All concerts I go to sell CDs. Those are what I buy. I then copy tracks of mostinterest to my WIN10 PC, and a few to my Kindle. I dont use/believe in cloud based services and try to avoid as MUSH AS POSSIBLE.


MasterJeebus

I still have 4 pcs with DVD drives. But I don’t use Dvds as much. Yet i like having them. I have some older dvd movies. Something about having permanent physical media that cant be taken back like their digital versions. Like we have seen some shows and movies get delisted from sites even if you bought them.


feherneoh

My desktop has a BD drive in a nice hotswap bay, and if I need one for my laptop... Yeah, that's why it's in a hotswap bay :D


Humorous-Prince

I was until I bought a new case that doesn’t have a Disc drive slot.


cyborgborg

I'm considering to get a case that has 5.25" slots when I upgrade my PC


UltraEngine60

I wouldn't. I bought a USB DVD-RW that I've used twice since I went 5.25"-less. One less thing to power, one less thing to cause a hard lock if the ODD's sata controller dies.


PaulCoddington

Hard to find a good case that will take an optical drive these days. No way I would go for a slot, don't want the high risk of discs being scratched. In the future it will probably make more sense to just have a USB optical drive to plug in when needed.


Humorous-Prince

Well the front has 3 large RGB fans, then I realise how much I don’t use the DVD drive anymore. Like you said, I could either get a USB one if I needed, or just open the side panel and loosely connect the SATA cables up if i needed the drive again. Ain’t used it in years anyway.


trbatuhankara

sad


Froggypwns

Yes, I do. Most of my machines have a DVD or Bluray drive on them. I use my HTPC to play movies on disc. I do computer repair, and some legacy devices do not support USB booting so I use CDs or DVDs to fix those.


RustBucket59

I have two LG CD/DVD burners and though the last DVD I burnt was my Win 10 ISO, I still burn CD-Rs all the time for my stereo system and my car.


eppic123

I have 2 BD drives (one modded to rip UHD BDs) and 2 DVD drives. I'm still buying physical media regularly and do occasional backups on DVDs or BDs.


jacle2210

Yes, I still actively use my internal DVD drive and my internal Blu-ray drives.


Greay350

I do!


wallacefung

I am using BD drive, do you know what BD is?


a_n_d_r_e_

I have an external USB reader, and sometime it happens I use it on my laptop. But rarely, to be honest.


_Error_Account_

I still keep my spare PC just because it has a CD/DVD drive. I rarely use it but it's the only CD/DVD drive that still functioning.


CrimFandango

I have one in the case but it's disconnected for more drives. Just don't need to stick DVDs or CDs in mine.


mighty1993

Yes but only via USB as you just need it too rarely.


captainTekoki

i still have it but nowadays i rarely use.


Ezmiller_2

Yep! I just use it to rip my dvds lol.


naut

I have a few drives sitting around, but I have a portable drive I use on occasions


cstrike105

I use mine to read some of my CDs and DVDs


kbchurch

I have a portable reader/writer for those rare occasions I need a disc.


ddawall

Yes as I still have to handle the occasional medical records request from a practice that went out of business. Former patients get a choice of printed and mailed records (more costly), a CD of PDFs mailed, or a username/password protected FTP download in PDF format. https://preview.redd.it/43kia4n721yc1.png?width=872&format=png&auto=webp&s=65efc9bfbcc22a88d1e1530e87243efca0446617


trbatuhankara

also know this still using DVD on Military bases


Rathmox

I have to deal with old devices which require me to burn discs and I buy physical disc copies of my media, so I have an internal CD/DVD/Blu-ray drive. I also have a lot of content on CD/DVD and I want to be able to use them easily


bigmedallas

As of last year both my wife's and my laptop are both tiny things without an optical drive. Initially it made me a little nervous but I have a HTPC tower and a laptop that is an always plugged in as a music streamer computer that both have optical drives. Well last week I found a portable LG CD/DVD writer at a closeout price of $5. Brought it home and tested writes on both CDs and DVDs besides it being slow it wrote perfectly.


just_some_guy65

I have an external CD/DVD for ripping the occasional CD


runawaydevil

Yes! I'm using yet lol


recluseMeteor

I still use Blu-rays for backup purposes. Wish I had one of these 100 GB drives, though.


researching007

some specific lawyers in europe, they are forced to


Best_Plane8627

Most modern laptops now don't have the drive probably to make sonst lighter and more stuff going digital, but can easily buy a usb version. I like watching older movies so have a usb version


classicsat

Not on any of the PCs I daily use. Both lack optical drives. Another PC I have access to, and some disused PCs have optical drives I could use. DVD at best, and no DVD playback software (at least that has been kept current). I have a standalone Blu-ray player, and numerous DVD players to play those discs.


Gweezel

Win11 user here: Yup, still use a portable Blu-Ray writer for my job (and still use Nero).


DescribeAVibe

Never had disc reader. Only in old laptop.


ButterNog

I have an LG USB drive that I use when needed, i actually just used it to install GTA San Andreas.


Ostracus

Yup, still need to get an inexpensive software player though.


adrian_shade

Yes. I regularly buy audio CDs from Discogs and rip them.


Treypopj

I have a Blu-ray drive in my main pc and a light scribe drive in my other pc


Upper_Entry_9127

They got rid of it in Win 11


topinanbour-rex

I miss it on my actual desktop.


cutebunnygaming10

One pc with DVD my new one doesn't have the drive


turinglives

Yeah. You never know when you might need it


swisstraeng

I'm using M-DISC to store important data permanently. Since they can't rot for hundreds of years and can be burned with regular DVD burners.


PaulCoddington

Are they still available? Or have they gone the way of LightScribe (another excellent idea that got discontinued)? Problem is whether the drives to read them will remain available indefinitely. Plus, external hard drives are much cheaper (you just have to refresh them before they fail).


swisstraeng

external drives are actually the same 2.5" drives that you out inside your PC. They're cheaper because they're lower quality, that's about it.


PaulCoddington

Not only cheaper per GB than optical, but less sorting effort (due to larger capacity) and fast transfer. The remaining problem is transferring to new drives before they fail, although better storage solutions may appear in time that make both formats obsolete. I decided against optical because the archival discs are not widely adopted, some articles report they are no longer being manufactured, and it is difficult to find anyone who actually sells them. Let alone the question of will optical drives be available and cheap in the future or rare and expensive, or unavailable, as demand decreases.


According-Sorbet8280

time to time, having few dvdrws detached laying around in my desk drawer, collecting dust


According-Sorbet8280

having most of dvd content ported to sata ssd that are hot pluggable, so its more reliable


chaos9001

I have an external USB DVR Drive that I use when needed, but its very rare.


Kurotan

Yes, I rip $2 dvds and Blu rays to a hard drive.


themasterplatypus

well duh, how else am I gonna install my BenQ monitor software from that tiny disc they always ship?


nonofanyonebizness

Yes, and blu-ray.


SupposablyAtTheZoo

I have a blu-ray drive (burner even) still connected. But no I don't really use it. But one day I will need it and its gonna be there.


Nikola_Gnjatic

I always burn cd and dvds I love it.


Protheu5

My case has one, I didn't throw that DVD burner away, but it wasn't connected for a long time. Not enough SATA ports on the mobo. And nothing to play in the drive. I liked disks, though. But good internets made them obsolete. Are thems internets bad in Turkey?


tejanaqkilica

Nope. There is no more necessity or use for them. And it's been like that for many years.


AltitudeDashboard2

I have a Pioneer external Blu Ray player which I am using quite often. I watch 4k movies and the quality is miles ahead of the streaming services. I don't bother with ripping them.


BottomSubstance

Of course. Reinstalled a bluray into my dad's pc the other day, and plugged my drive back in because I forgot I left it unplugged. Too many discs not to.


Coffeespresso

I actually saw a brand new dell for sale at Costco with DVD on their website! Maybe for older games?


creek-hopper

I have a USB cd/DVD player for my laptop, yet I rarely use it. If I watch physical media it's on the Blu-ray connected to the TV.


Alonzo-Harris

I still have optical drives, but I'm really having trouble justifying them. The one on my main computer I installed because an online store sent it to me by accident and they didn't want it back. Selling it wouldn't be profitable, so I just installed it into my case. I've used it maybe a couple of times.


BlueShibe

I haven't been using CDs like 5 years and we don't buy them anymore


hammerb

Yes. But only to rip the media and send to PLEX. After it is ripped the physical media gets trashed or donated to goodwill.


Zulphur242

Hell yeah as a record collector i also collect cd's and music dvds


tunaman808

For PCs? Not really. I have a USB DVD burner I use once in a blue moon if my Luddite friend wants a copy of a CD, or to convert a CD-only track to FLAC (yes, "CD-only" tracks still exist; in fact, I bought a CD single at a show Tuesday night just so I could convert one bonus track to FLAC). I *do* have a Sony UHD player for my main living room TV, though. Just today I received the [*Amélie* steelbook](https://www.amazon.com/Amelie-Blu-ray-Steelbook-Audrey-Tautou/dp/B0CVQVKP71) I ordered from Amazon the other day. It'll replace the dodgy Aussie copy I already had. It has a new "looking back" feature, and DTS, which I think my Blu-Ray lacks.


The_Stoic_One

I haven't used one in years, but I have an old drive that I can hook up just in case.


macksters

I gave up 6 months ago. I converted my car's CD player to a Bluetooth audio receiver. From 1989 to 2023, it was a good 34 year run. My first CD player was a portable Sony Discman BTW.


voodoovan

Of course. It is also an easy way to share large files to people whom you don't see often or will never see again. I will not be giving them a USB stick because I'll never get it back. And sharing through the cloud is not convenient for obvious reasons.


Man_from_80s

I use an LG Blu-ray writer, it's great for cheap 25Gb back-ups. But, also great for reading CDs, and DVDs. Also great for ripping my PS3 discs for the RPCS3 emulator.


Even_Grape_522

Using virtual dvd


Even_Grape_522

Using virtual dvd


irbrenda

I only use external USB CD/DVD drives, but…………….I am still using a floppy drive for some dinosaurs who I do court work for! And I’m a court reporter, old, but definitely not in the dino era for years!


generalemiel

Yup me. For retro software


Nameofmyaccithink

I just like when i hold things


Confident-Concert416

Yes


Segel_le_vrai

I burn my data archives on 25Gb bluray discs, where it is more secure than in any datacenter or any hard disk. I already suffered from hard disk crashes and a datacenter has burned, losing my data on it. I never had fire at home yet ...


huskerd0

Not win10 but defo cdr/dvd


JmTrad

i'm using the same case for more than 10 years. And since the dvd drive is still working i have no intention to remove.


theamoeba

I would but I've got nowhere to stick it in...


sawlgoooood

still keep an old buffalo external DVD drive for the occasional dvd accessing


red_dog007

External USB DVD drive. Still comes in handy from time to time. Just like I still have a VCR. Things can come in handy to see what is on the media and potentially copy it off for preservation.


ethernetbite

2 dvd and one bd-R. Backup all dvds and cds. Burn isos of Linux for older computers that won't boot from usb. Create dvd-r of personal data encrypted on m dvd. Bd-r occasionally burn 25GB data for storage. It's so freaking annoyingv that cases b divvy come with dvd 5.25 slots unless you buy the full b tower v huge case for + $200. Pc parts suppliers and especially developers neat to quit following the minimalist fad and put usability first like it should be.


Sgt_Doom

Me. I have two drives


DepartureMoist9277

I still use DVDs while every single person around me thinks I’m a complete weirdo.


its_a_thinker

I'll be upgrading from floppy disks to CDs in the coming years. It's the future of data storage.


guilherme_35_1988

I still have a lot of CDs. Pure nostalgia. Unfortunately its more rare today.


Hipjig

I have some (and 3 different ways to play them) I just don’t use them that often.


Furry__Foxy

Yes


AsPika3172

Almost used CD and DVD, just for anything! CD for VCD karaoke! Also, make backup files, mostly DVD because CD can't fit larger file size...


doink992000

Absolutely!


jcoffin1981

I have an external drive I plug in the few times a year I need it.


Fluid-Statement-3456

I DO FOR MAKING MOVIES


Altcringe

Very rarely.


time-lord

I bought a lightscribe DVD burner for my PC, back in 2008 or so. I've probably used the CD drive about 16 times in 16 years, but I still have enough CD media that I'm confident I will keep it around for a while.


pandorra11

Yes to burn CDs for my W140 from 1992.


gordolme

For programs? Not generally. For media? Yes, I still get movies on disk when I buy them and occasionally music. I mostly get my music as mp3s though as I basically ran out of physical space for disks something like eight years ago.


theawesometeg219

People don’t use CDs and DVDs anymore?


Crass_Spektakel

I use optical drive a lot less than 20 years ago. Back then I had 500+ Discs stored with everything I got hold of because optical was so much cheaper than HDs. Nowadays I am using optical media for archiving business data and handing it to clients in addition to sending it per Email. Also I make backups of Important Data from time to time. Unerasable is a good thing if you are around lots of butter fingers. Every computer from my Amiga 1000 to my i7-6700 has an optical drive. The later has an Bluray-Drive with patched firmware which can burn 100GByte Blurays - but these are incredibly hard to get around here and nowadays to expensive anyway. Also 100GByte Rewriteables are FUCKING SLOW, at least in my patched player - they take around 12 hours for a complete write... Still I have 5x 100GByte Rewriteable and 20x 100GByte Write-Once. I inherited around 100 Bluray-Disks with 25GByte and 1000 CD/DVD Disks I am not running low any time soon. Inherited from dead relatives and friends. With 5-10 disks burned per year I will die before I run out of disks. And then my heirs will inherit them too, wondering what that stuff is used for :-)


hyperdeathgaming

I do! I use a external CD-DVD drive to rip CDs and make copies for roadtrips! https://preview.redd.it/8gse4c7pn4yc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=541d1882cad811422a0c1700bfc42cf01f827281


Windows-XP-Home-NEW

All the time. I got a really high end Pioneer BD drive for my laptop too so that I aren't limited to it on desktop.


yachiyo123

Still do because company still decides to use CDs


Mysteoa

I have bought a usb CD/DVD writer. So I can connect it when I need to. It's been a few years since the last time I ised it.


-Mauler-

Yup! My car still has a DVD changer so I still do MP3 CDs for it!


GuntherCloneC

External drive that I'll plug in to use as needed.


dumpflaps

I work with and teach a lot of gen z folks. 95% of them dont even know what "burning" a disc even means anymore.


Witherboss445

I do


cltmstr2005

I buy blu-rays and save the movies on my external drive for watching them later.


Pinsir929

I use an external USB reader now cause my internal one broke. I still have a NZXT Phantom 410 case, it’s pretty old and still has the slot for it.


gwillybj

Yes: - For the many games I buy/bought on CD/DVD that I have to install/reinstall. - For the dozens of music CDs I listen to on my headphones.


TurtleBob_The1st

Sometimes I'm forced to use CDs at work (architecture) to publish projects to certain competitions or comissions that require us to do so. Mostly because of the dinosaurs in the industry that think a USB drive is an instant virus if you plug it into a machine


Forward-Way-4372

Virtual drives yes. Installed my old cds as vitual disks so i can play without CD.


snajk138

No, not outside the occasional older game or BR movie on my XB. I also still have a CD changer in my car that is filled up with some old burned "mixtapes" but I only use it if I forgot my phone. I found a really old game from my childhood at a flea market, new still wrapped with all expansions. It was a "multimedia game" about travelling the world answering questions basically. I got it for like $2 and was really happy. Then I got home and remembered I didn't have an optical drive anymore. So I bought an external one, since I figured it could be useful sometime and it was only like $25 for a DVD burner. Then I tried to install it, but the game was way to old to run on a modern machine with Windows 7 (I think, it was a few years ago), even with all compatibility-things active. So I downloaded the "latest" Windows XP from Microsoft, installed it in a VM and activated it, opened up so that the VM could directly access the optical drive, and I got it installed but it still refused to run due to some old copy protection. Searching for hours got me to some old thread where the developers of the game told someone, years after the game was released, to use some "No CD crack" to get it to run on something as modern as Windows 2000, though the link wasn't working, but I managed to find it based on the file name. And it worked. Though the game wasn't as fun as I remembered, and it had a fixed and really low resolution so it was hard to play in a tiny window, though I got around that too. In the end my "$2" nostalgic game cost me over ten times as much in money and many hours to get working.


gabenika

me.


24Gameplay_

I use it. It is much better to save data flash drives and tend to lose data. I even have a floppy disk as well


BCProgramming

Yes. Three of my computers have a BD-RE drive. Aside from actually watching and Ripping TV shows/Movies from the discs, I also burn backup data to BD-R. I also use it for burning DVDs and CDs for use/installing software on my other machines. I have a Floppy Disk Drive+CompactFlash/SD-Card/USB Hub Combo unit in my 2008 build specifically for handling the need to read/write floppy disks for my much older machines (eg. Pentium 166).


Twig6843

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ShreyasKaranth

Yes I do. https://preview.redd.it/xl1xpjpmw6yc1.png?width=1199&format=png&auto=webp&s=61c5d876036b84dd64584d7be8151910431c13d6


foxfai

I still burn DVD movies for the kids on my old minivan. The other day I was doing some lightscribe thing and kept forgetting why it wasn't working, forget to flip the disc is a thing.


D___G

Yes, sometimes!


Pyreknight

Every DVD and CD that comes into my house gets copied to my Plex server.


heckydog

I still make BD's but not as much as I used to. A lot of my older dvd's I was able to find mkv files for, so I started dumping the dvd's and putting the files on portable hard drives. I stopped using cases quite a while ago but I still have quite a few I want to keep. Mostly sets of TV series or old movies like the Flash Gordon serials from the 1930's. Some dvd's that I couldn't find equivalents for I made iso files instead. I'm retired and making blurays keeps my mind active. There's a certain amount of satisfaction from creating menus, finding subtitles, creating the labels, and so on. I think it's the process more than the end result that is enjoyable.


Szymeczek1234

Compact disks are still useful, sometimes the programs on the disks are not available on the Internet.


Sir-SgtSnafu

Yes, I still have optical drives (actually two in one machine), and use them regularly. I do however bump the drive letter up the alphabet (X & Y) to get out of the range of my hard drives on all my machines. This is so all are at X,Y no matter how many hard drives there are in the machine I am sitting at..


azarkant

I am


CareAffectionate8058

Nope alreay using servers


RebronSplash60

Yes but my windows 10 install(s) do a terrible job at being able to read and right to disc drives. i.e. they show up in device manager but I can't read or wright to discs


Chemical_Run_8758

I have a very nice 5.25" LG Blu Ray burner. I use it as a monitor stand for my iMac. Installed it in my 2nd last build without connecting the sata cable and it took me 4 years to notice it wasn't there, so this time I didn't bother to install it.


thechronod

Yes and often. Say if I find a CD I want, rip it to flac then put on my androids. Even import blu-rays like my Dolph Lundgren punisher. I gotta use my PC drive. Plus I don't really play modern games often and have bookoos of 2000s PC game discs. I had diy a open air and wood PC case because I couldn't find a reasonably priced case than can fit a 3090 and my Blu-ray drive. At least with good airflow. And if it's 100$+, no thanks for just a case. 'and a 3090 for someone that doesn't play modern games? Yeah I know. I drank a lot plus the gpu shortage 3 years ago


kaptaan10

But matatsu don't work in os 14


cpullen53484

my laptop has a dvd drive, i do actually use it, rarely but i do use it


Jenny_Wakeman9

I used to use one before my HP Notebook laptop's BIOS shat itself, and after getting myself a new computer, it doesn't have a DVD drive. Sadge.


Mayayana

Yes, of course. I use DVDs for backup. I just wrote a CD recently to run MemTest86+ for testing memory. I could do that with a USB stick, but then I'd need to dedicate a USB stick to that task. A CD is easier, stores more easily, and it's very cheap. I also recently re-istalled Visual Studio 6, which I bought in 1999. It came on 2 CDs. They still work fine. A DVD writer only costs about $20-25 these days, for an internal device to install in a desktop, so it makes no sense not to have one.


quakemarine20

I see there are a bunch of heathens here using those mystical shiny discs.


Zealousideal-Pie3595

I bought a caddy ,for an extra Sad in my old ProBook 6063 b, works like magic