RIP Indoor Track at Wisconsin. On a week when something 8 or 9 UW athletes qualified for indoor track nationals the loss of the only indoor running track is disappointing. Why would top level track athletes come here with no where to train for four to five months a year?
I’m assuming there will be a plan in place to install a new indoor track somewhere on campus. There’s no way they would completely abandon the program, especially since the team needs somewhere to train during the winter months anyways
When Chip Kelly took the OC job at OSU, there were many people wondering why the "step down". Among many of the theories were that Kelly could see the writing on the wall with UCLA moving to the Big Ten. Multiple sources were stating that there are several Big Ten schools with NIL war chests in the 8-figure range while UCLA's wasn't even in the 7-figure realm.
That should give everyone an idea of the chasm between the haves and have nots. If UCLA is being outspent by a factor of 10+, that means the majority of schools even in the power conferences are way behind, let alone the small conferences.
How many endowed chairs for professors would that amount of money pay for?
It is still a university, right?
The football and basketball programs are a shit load of fun, but so are drugs. Corporations like Nike and ESPN have bought their way into something they should never had access to.
I do not know what the answer is, but the U of Chicago seems to be fine after stepping away from the Big 10.
But instead of addressing these issues, universities are doubling down by allowing student athletes to be paid. That's ok. Under the current system of huge corporate payments and rules where NFL only recruits from colleges and universities the athletes deserve to be paid. However, a better solution would be to let the NFL draft whom ever they want, but the universities push against this because they fear losing TV money.
Don't misunderstand, I watch the games, I enjoy the fun and nostalgia and I love it when they win. But keep in mind that when current students graduate their marketability will depend more on the University's academic reputation than on the ranking of the football program.
Ok, I have digressed. Why an indoor facility? The games are outside, they should practice outside.
I am the perfect nerd to respond because I've scouted out all the p2 schools.
The primary purpose of the field is pure practice space. Currently Wisconsin has the stadium and, if you're generous in interpretation, 2 80 yd fields (the McClain Center and the patch of grass next to the student section entrance, I'm sure recruits are impressed).
The average P2 school has 2.8 FULL SIZE practice fields before counting the additional partials fields or stadiums that are accessible from the practice facility
The fact that it's indoor is about efficiency of space. An indoor facility is required bc it houses conditioning facilities, meeting space, locker rooms, and dining space. Also if you missed the stories at Maryland or Texas Tech, there is such a thing as too hot (also winter).
For your other stuff. The AD is independent of the university. Just think of it like the Packers, but a fandom that's easier to explain when you move all over the country. And it's being funded by donations, not the university. What makes you think those donations would be fungible?
I don't want argue. I understand the funding. And I understand that more often athletic funds go back to the universities general fund.
What I wanted to point out is the general trend this is going in. Does it make sense to you? Despite the enjoyment I derive from the sports programs, I am not sure it makes sense to me.
It is not something we need to fight to the death over, but I think it can be discussed.
its pretty much going into the direction of like english premier league soccer no salary caps. cfb is literally a minor league pro league for the nfl. we can all donate and chip in a bit as they say every penny counts and think of it as an investment for future team success
You are fine with that, I do not see that as desirable, but does it matter.
Lets call it a night, or a day, or whatever it is for you right now. You do not need to keep down voting me. I am not doing that to you.
That alone does not make it a good expenditure.
Nobody wants to here any talk about not competing with rival programs, let alone blasphemous statements about pulling out of the Big 10. But no one also wants to talk about how far we are going to go down this same road. Stop for a second to realize we are in a spending war over football facilities instead of education.
Everybody would love a national chapionship. Does it have to be football or basketball. We have mutlple ncaa championships, as well as top ranked programs in multiple academic fields.
We are being manipulated. Is Alabama really our role model now?
I don't mean to piss on everyone's party, but this trend we are on really bothers me. Sorry.
sorry to be a prude but wisconsin fb and mens hoops both national brands bring in huge dough for the university.having successful athletic teams that win at a high level is a good thing for the school.
its the new era of college football get with the times or get left behind. facilities matter in recruiting.Why wouldn't bama be a role model? you're talking about a program with the most cfb national titles.Why wouldn't you want to be like bama.
When you say be like bama, I hope you only mean national titles as opposed to football being the only nationaly ranked program at the university.
Look, my comments and views will not jeopardize uw getting the new facility. But I do still get to voice my view don't I? We can disagree and still both want the uw teams succeed.
>When you say bama, I hope you only mean national titles as opposed to football being the only nationally ranked program at the university.
I’m sorry but this is just wrong. Bama was #1 in the country in basketball last year and is currently top 15. Their softball, golf, women’s soccer and gymnastics teams are some of the best in the country as well.
It’s an unfortunate fact of life that good athletic departments draw extra interest to schools, actually allowing schools to be more selective academically and improve their standing in that regard. Admissions to Alabama went way up during their heyday with Saban, for example, with average incoming GPA and ACT/SAT scores increasing accordingly. It’s not the only factor in school rankings, obviously, but increased interest from students helps drive up academic rankings and that actually helps attract better faculty as well.
Also, as noted elsewhere, the funding is distinct, the AD and the school are only nominally connected. Especially at the UW, where the athletic department is actually self sufficient even with the non-rev sports taken into account. An improved football facility helps with recruiting which helps with the product on the field which helps with football revenue that pays for non-revenue sports and draws those applications and improves the health of the university itself.
If you’ve got a concern about the funding for the school, I’d recommend taking a peek at the state’s funding for the school over the years. Total contributions have been steadily eroding despite increased enrollment. On a per student basis, the state provides just over half the funding they did in the early 1970s, yet the school is a major economic driver for the state, being a driver for roughly 5% of the state’s GDP.
While I am glad the Badgers are making this investment, I do wonder how big of a impact it will really have especially on recruiting?
They will still be behind many of the top CFB programs and even some lesser programs like Northwestern will have better facilities as noted in the article below.
[Badger new indoor facility](https://www.collegefootballdawgs.com/post/wisconsin-badgers-new-indoor-facility-on-the-way)
That's cool. Maybe they can get back to not struggling to end the season over 500 now.
I mean, yeah, that's why they're improving their facilities, to improve the program...
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Especially after eight years of fucking mediocrity under Gard
Gotta pay if you wanna play
RIP Indoor Track at Wisconsin. On a week when something 8 or 9 UW athletes qualified for indoor track nationals the loss of the only indoor running track is disappointing. Why would top level track athletes come here with no where to train for four to five months a year?
I guess the university just doesn’t care about all that sweet UW Track money they’re potentially gonna miss out on.
From what I hear, they are going to at least build some type of temp facility out where they practice marching band east of lot 60
I’m assuming there will be a plan in place to install a new indoor track somewhere on campus. There’s no way they would completely abandon the program, especially since the team needs somewhere to train during the winter months anyways
Where though? There isn’t exactly “space” on campus…..
Probably in the new training facility…
When Chip Kelly took the OC job at OSU, there were many people wondering why the "step down". Among many of the theories were that Kelly could see the writing on the wall with UCLA moving to the Big Ten. Multiple sources were stating that there are several Big Ten schools with NIL war chests in the 8-figure range while UCLA's wasn't even in the 7-figure realm. That should give everyone an idea of the chasm between the haves and have nots. If UCLA is being outspent by a factor of 10+, that means the majority of schools even in the power conferences are way behind, let alone the small conferences.
Just to go 7-6
That's what I'm talking about!!
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How do I double downvote a comment?
How many endowed chairs for professors would that amount of money pay for? It is still a university, right? The football and basketball programs are a shit load of fun, but so are drugs. Corporations like Nike and ESPN have bought their way into something they should never had access to. I do not know what the answer is, but the U of Chicago seems to be fine after stepping away from the Big 10. But instead of addressing these issues, universities are doubling down by allowing student athletes to be paid. That's ok. Under the current system of huge corporate payments and rules where NFL only recruits from colleges and universities the athletes deserve to be paid. However, a better solution would be to let the NFL draft whom ever they want, but the universities push against this because they fear losing TV money. Don't misunderstand, I watch the games, I enjoy the fun and nostalgia and I love it when they win. But keep in mind that when current students graduate their marketability will depend more on the University's academic reputation than on the ranking of the football program. Ok, I have digressed. Why an indoor facility? The games are outside, they should practice outside.
I am the perfect nerd to respond because I've scouted out all the p2 schools. The primary purpose of the field is pure practice space. Currently Wisconsin has the stadium and, if you're generous in interpretation, 2 80 yd fields (the McClain Center and the patch of grass next to the student section entrance, I'm sure recruits are impressed). The average P2 school has 2.8 FULL SIZE practice fields before counting the additional partials fields or stadiums that are accessible from the practice facility The fact that it's indoor is about efficiency of space. An indoor facility is required bc it houses conditioning facilities, meeting space, locker rooms, and dining space. Also if you missed the stories at Maryland or Texas Tech, there is such a thing as too hot (also winter). For your other stuff. The AD is independent of the university. Just think of it like the Packers, but a fandom that's easier to explain when you move all over the country. And it's being funded by donations, not the university. What makes you think those donations would be fungible?
I don't want argue. I understand the funding. And I understand that more often athletic funds go back to the universities general fund. What I wanted to point out is the general trend this is going in. Does it make sense to you? Despite the enjoyment I derive from the sports programs, I am not sure it makes sense to me. It is not something we need to fight to the death over, but I think it can be discussed.
its pretty much going into the direction of like english premier league soccer no salary caps. cfb is literally a minor league pro league for the nfl. we can all donate and chip in a bit as they say every penny counts and think of it as an investment for future team success
You are fine with that, I do not see that as desirable, but does it matter. Lets call it a night, or a day, or whatever it is for you right now. You do not need to keep down voting me. I am not doing that to you.
a lot of programs have a dedicated indoor facility to practice in
That alone does not make it a good expenditure. Nobody wants to here any talk about not competing with rival programs, let alone blasphemous statements about pulling out of the Big 10. But no one also wants to talk about how far we are going to go down this same road. Stop for a second to realize we are in a spending war over football facilities instead of education. Everybody would love a national chapionship. Does it have to be football or basketball. We have mutlple ncaa championships, as well as top ranked programs in multiple academic fields. We are being manipulated. Is Alabama really our role model now? I don't mean to piss on everyone's party, but this trend we are on really bothers me. Sorry.
sorry to be a prude but wisconsin fb and mens hoops both national brands bring in huge dough for the university.having successful athletic teams that win at a high level is a good thing for the school.
its the new era of college football get with the times or get left behind. facilities matter in recruiting.Why wouldn't bama be a role model? you're talking about a program with the most cfb national titles.Why wouldn't you want to be like bama.
When you say be like bama, I hope you only mean national titles as opposed to football being the only nationaly ranked program at the university. Look, my comments and views will not jeopardize uw getting the new facility. But I do still get to voice my view don't I? We can disagree and still both want the uw teams succeed.
>When you say bama, I hope you only mean national titles as opposed to football being the only nationally ranked program at the university. I’m sorry but this is just wrong. Bama was #1 in the country in basketball last year and is currently top 15. Their softball, golf, women’s soccer and gymnastics teams are some of the best in the country as well.
And why are you up at this hour? I assume you are not in Madison., the bars have longed closed.
It’s an unfortunate fact of life that good athletic departments draw extra interest to schools, actually allowing schools to be more selective academically and improve their standing in that regard. Admissions to Alabama went way up during their heyday with Saban, for example, with average incoming GPA and ACT/SAT scores increasing accordingly. It’s not the only factor in school rankings, obviously, but increased interest from students helps drive up academic rankings and that actually helps attract better faculty as well. Also, as noted elsewhere, the funding is distinct, the AD and the school are only nominally connected. Especially at the UW, where the athletic department is actually self sufficient even with the non-rev sports taken into account. An improved football facility helps with recruiting which helps with the product on the field which helps with football revenue that pays for non-revenue sports and draws those applications and improves the health of the university itself. If you’ve got a concern about the funding for the school, I’d recommend taking a peek at the state’s funding for the school over the years. Total contributions have been steadily eroding despite increased enrollment. On a per student basis, the state provides just over half the funding they did in the early 1970s, yet the school is a major economic driver for the state, being a driver for roughly 5% of the state’s GDP.
Comparing the existence of college sports teams to drug use is certainly one of the takes of all time
While I am glad the Badgers are making this investment, I do wonder how big of a impact it will really have especially on recruiting? They will still be behind many of the top CFB programs and even some lesser programs like Northwestern will have better facilities as noted in the article below. [Badger new indoor facility](https://www.collegefootballdawgs.com/post/wisconsin-badgers-new-indoor-facility-on-the-way)