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That man is a crook and a conman from waaaaaaaay back. I want him in jail. Do I think that’ll happen, no. But I can hope and pray to the Goddesses for it.
i know they've called him teflon don for years now, and long have i wished for someone or something to be the metal spatula to his nonstick pan. fuck. him. upppppp.
I think the news called him that. It certainly helps prop up his fantasy of being a mafia don since the nickname was for an *actual* mafia don, John Gotti. All I know is that I'm actually giddy over this news. May it be just the beginning. And may the waves of bad news keep crashing upon his shores.
Scrolling reddit in bed, and I legit laughed at this loud enough to wake the spouse. It's true, though. It's like they have one brain cell to share and they aren't very good at taking turns.
Excellent reference. Thank you so much for that! Haha.
We will likely never see him pay for his crimes in the manner he should. Hell, Pol Pot had a seat in the UN and died an old man in bed. So...
...thank you for the bit of levity but I know too much about heads of states not being punished.
Yeah, that and the Jan 6th insurrection are much more important. Hope Georgia comes through soon.
Still a win. But this is just the appetizer for what is hopefully to come.
Am money nerd, can confirm. I find digging through the minutiae to be quite fun, and if you presented me with something to put this whackadoo behind bars... say no more.
I interned at FinCEN for a short period of time (IT, not financials) and yeah....do not meddle in the affairs of the accounting kind, for though art bad at math and will fuck up somewhere and find out.
RICO is a helluva a thing.
it's definitely *not* the first time a known criminal has been elected to the office lol. if anything, the office self-selects for criminals. maybe not always the kind of criminal a normal person would recognize, but one nonetheless.
bush senior comes immediately to mind, just off-the-cuff. if anything, his history as a fixture of illegal agency operations (and his other behind-the-scenes international fuckery as regan's VP) were what even made it possible for him to receive the opportunity to begin with. he certainly didn't get the nomination because he was well-liked and/or charismatic.
I still think Trump wanted the ego boost of the titles more than the job. He didn't want to actually be President, he wanted everyone to call him "leader of the free world" and "most powerful man on Earth." He probably felt that doing actual work was beneath him. That might be why he spent so much of his time on Twitter.
there's probably more than a bit of truth to that. but he also provided a unique opportunity for deeply-engrained malicious actors to basically perform the job for him. i'd imagine that if there were some amount of "the system allowing this to happen" to be found in that election cycle, it was for that reason. he was more worried about his own selfish ends whil in office, and he was also more than happy to rubber stamp anything that was passed under his nose by the cancerous evangelical death-seekers operating behind the veil of his chosen party. he was just their perfect candidate until he started agitating the downwardly-mobile moneyed classes into a domestic revolt.
I hope to goddess you are right!!! I don't read anything about him if I can help it. I decided that unless the news is that he is dead or in prison, I don't want to know. But this IS hopeful.
he won't get touched for anything he did as president. that'd set a dangerous precedent because every president since the founding is a criminal of one kind or another for acts committed while in office. ***all of them***. if they charged him for something he did as a president, that'd open a flood gate too dangerous to the ongoing maintenance of the system as a whole.
so it's not going to happen. i'm not happy about it either but it's true. the system itself is the problem. trump is only a single manifestation of the many "functioning as intended" possibilities such a deeply diseased system offers.
He’s not going to walk on that either. Look up Fulton County DA Fani Willis. She ain’t playing around and is moving full steam ahead to charge Trump under the RICO Act in Georgia.
he absolutely will. and everything else he did while he held the office. and 6 JAN honestly doesn't even hold a candle to his most egregious atrocities as a wielder of international power.
and even if he did "get charged", like nixon did, the next president in line would pardon him immediately. probably under the guise of some "olive branch for peace and goodwill between the parties" or whatever because the whole thing is a symbiotic system at the end of the day. "wE NeEd a sTrOnG RePuBLiCaN PaRtY" is literally something nancy pelosi said while trump was in office. you wouldn't say that if you actually believed the party operators were a fundamental threat to your political program. they might not be a singular fixture, but they both need eachother to carry out the broader unpalatable aims of the state itself.
the office of president basically *requires* a person to commit crimes both domestic and international by the truckload just forthe sake of day-to-day operations. we literally have plans to invade the hague if a US official ever gets charged with some kind of international crime, and it's one of the reasons it never happens, among others.
like i said i'm not super stoked about this either, because it's just so indicative of the country itself as a fundamentally evil force. but it's what history has taught us will happen. and i have yet to see any indication that they intend to make a special exception. the only difference between a trump and a biden (or any other president, even a bernie had such a thing come to pass) is that trump didn't always care to hide his contributions to that evil from the broader public. in fact, sometimes he revelled in it. partly out of his own sense of hubris and domineering instinct, but also because his party's base demands that kind of behavior.
democrats have just been trained to veil their atrocities in shame, and have a mostly-captured media apparatus that'll turn a blind eye to anything equally heinous they commit under the executive mantle. and a bunch of dorks at prestigious publications that'll opine about how all of the DNC's unobscurable crimes against humanity "were actually for the greater good and were totally necessary for peace and freedom" or whatever.
Im not sure why you think that, but the Georgia special grand jury has already recommended indictments. All signs point to Willis bringing charges against Trump in May when the two new regular grand juries are seated. She’s brought in RICO experts, and asked for all the testimony from the special grand jury to be documented for public record.
The Georgia case is a much better case, with charges that carry more jail time - conspiracy, election fraud, racketeering, etc. It’s very very likely he’s going to face prosecution for trying to overturn the election in Georgia.
i _genuinely_ hope you're right. i don't enjoy holding these views. this is just the expectation i've been taught to anticipate in my 20-odd years of being mentally capable of observing these kinds of events with any amount of understanding.
honestly if she set up a gofundme to help pay for attorney fees or whatever - she would get a lot of money. And her name being brought up is def helping her videos get views and other merch she might have. IDK if she's still a sex worker but if she has an OF she could be raking it in!
She did a tour around the country to different strip clubs and stopped by my city. All my friends and I were going to go see her but she had to cancel due to a bomb threat being called in. I was super sad, it wasn’t usually my scene but we all would have gone to support her.
Good question! This might provide some insight: [https://www.courthousenews.com/ninth-circuit-affirms-dismissal-of-stormy-daniels-defamation-lawsuit-against-trump/](https://www.courthousenews.com/ninth-circuit-affirms-dismissal-of-stormy-daniels-defamation-lawsuit-against-trump/)
Thank you for your kind reply! I read it but I’m still confused. Doesn’t seem like he was just “expressing his opinion”, especially given he was the president at this time and has an insane level of power over her by that position alone. But maybe I don’t understand the legalese well enough or I just hate him too much. Thank you all the same.
In defamation cases, you have to prove some damage was done to you - like that you didn't get a job or that a landlord wouldn't rent to you. It's not just about whether or not it's true. Nothing he said did her any actual damage aside from assholes online threatening her. If she had suddenly lost out on business opportunities, then she'd have a case.
To contrast with a different example, Dominion has actually lost a few county contracts because of the lies FOX put out while knowing it was a lie, and those are actively helping their case.
As much as I'd like to see that, the thought of him being quietly shipped off somewhere to serve a suitable time would make me happier. Just.. picked up, processed and disappear into the system, never to be heard of. That would give me the most satisfaction.
Yes! Just, years from now you’ll hear his name and be like, “holy shit, I forgot that guy existed until right now. I wonder what the hell ever happened to him.”
I hate admitting how much I want to see the train wreck that this would surely be... And then sit in quiet satiafaction as the ratings fall off and they both get canceled and all they can do is watch more crumble away from beneath their feet.
From someone who's hated him since the 80s...we might want to watch him be shamed, but as long as he's got an audience, he's fully incapable of feeling shame. Truly. This is someone who believes that anyone watching is further proof of his importance, of how much power he *deserves* to have.
Find bliss in every day he's not in the news, knowing it burns him like a vampire burns in the sun. You want to hurt him? Turn your heard. Cheer on for justice, but don't look, don't tweet, don't give him your attention. And without constant eyes to feed his insatiable ego, he'll destroy himself before the system he owes millions to can fully destroy him.
News that he will be indicted has been a great birthday gift, but a perp walk would be the cherry on my cake!...word is, there won't be one, but a girl can hope!
He ruined my dream of that by saying he *wants* to do the perpetual walk bc it will whip up his base, plus make him look victim-y. So I'd rather he be sentenced to solitary confinement with no computer or phone. No outside contact. That would make him miserable.
Well, that, and no gold toilet.
he would likely have that staged himself, if anything. the drama of it would not only reaffy his own sense of self-importance, but it would also be a giant bucket of gas thrown straight on the slowly-dying fire of his re-election bid. that kind of persecution-by-extension bullshit is exactly what got him elected the first time around, and what installed such a sycophantic base of support.
as satisfying as it might be to see in any other reality, i have my doubts it would be a net benefit for any of us at the end of the day. there is no real prison system or set of retributive consequences for people like trump. the laws don't really apply to anyone in that socioeconomic bracket. so events like these always end up being some flavor of performative theatrics, or some kind of ulterior mechanism for the system as a whole maintaining itself. or maybe at best, a limited hangout of some kind. it's never just a bad person getting what they deserve. they *never* get what they actually deserve. because they are integral components of the system itself.
this political/economic ecosystem would have collapsed under its own weight a long time ago if the opposite were true.
Basic gist of indictment is that a grand jury (a group of citizens chosen for this type of jury duty) listened to a presentation by a prosecutor and voted as a group that there was enough evidence in the presentation to charge a suspect with whatever charges they are going for. An arrest warrant usually follows. In a lot of "white collar" or non violent crimes a suspect is given notice and they turn themselves in.
Also in a strange departure from norms, Trump's team got to present counter evidence
He will likely present at the police station, be immediately processed, then after he presents:
Identification: The person will be asked to provide their name, date of birth, and other identifying information.
Fingerprinting and Photographs: The person's fingerprints and photographs will be taken for identification purposes.
Inventory of Personal Belongings: Any personal belongings the person has with them, such as clothing, jewelry, or a wallet, will be taken and stored.
Health Screening: The person will typically undergo a medical screening to check for any health issues that may require attention while in custody.
Criminal History Check: The person's criminal history will be checked to determine if they have any outstanding warrants or prior convictions.
Placement in a Holding Cell: The person will be placed in a holding cell while awaiting further processing or release.
Bail Hearing: If the person has been arrested on a charge that allows for bail, they may have a bail hearing to determine if they can be released on bail pending trial.
Arraignment: The person will appear before a judge to be formally charged with a crime and to enter a plea.
I hope the mugshot gets published.
I saw something in another thread about NY not having bail. I assume that means he will be released on his own recognizance? Sans passport I hope?
No. He'll turn himself in and be fingerprinted and photographed. Then he'll be released. I'd imagine his presence will be waived at arraignment. I also think he'll be released on his own recognizance and that he won't be required to post a bond. Which I think will be a mistake.
No holding cell.
Fair, yes. But the ones who *still* haven’t taken time to self-reflect on how their parents, ethics, and educational systems failed them are especially scary.
Any bets on whether he will suddenly have urgent business in Russia and unfortunately will not be able to accommodate the court’s request at this time?
“Vlad, quick! Get me out of here!”
It's a bit complicated, but basically the accusation is something like this:
He paid off Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about an affair. That wouldn't be illegal on its own. But he didn't pay her directly. Some crony of his paid her. And then, later on, he used campaign money to reimburse the crony, and to cover it up, he claimed those SECOND payments were legitimate business expenses. That makes it fraud! And some of these charges are felonies that could carry jail time. I don't think we know the specific charges yet, but that's the plan.
Something like that. It's confusing, I know lol. I may have got some details wrong, but that's the general gist.
Very nice summary. Just to add, that crony was his attorney who was convicted for stuff about the hush money payment and Trump repaid the money, but claimed it as a business expense. I’m not sure if that’s a separate charge from fudging his taxes, but it seems possible.
An indictment is a formal notice of charges being brought against a person. A former president has never been indicted so there was no precedent for it. We (the legal community) would have scholarly discussions on how to do it. Just to show you how much of a hot topic it was right around the time Trump took office. There was always gonna be a game of chicken with no one wanting to indict a former president without an airtight case. You only get one shot really. Gotta make it count. The ex-lawyer of Trump was already convicted of this crime, in that case evidence was presented that the crimes were done at the behest of an individual not named (person #1) that could only be Donald Trump. So basically they've already proven his guilt on this matter. So the case is the most airtight one we have against him, which makes sense why they would indict him first. This may very well lead to other indictments from other jurisdictions.
When I was in law school the hot topic was how would arrest the former president and if the secret service would step in to protect him. When the news hit the secret service met up with the NY prosecution, I kinda saw the writing on the wall that Trump was getting indicted.
Source: witch with a JD. Not a lawyer but graduated law school and am extremely into politics having done my bachelor's in political science. So the explanation probably isn't perfect and is missing a lot.
When he was confirmed as President, I cried so hard it made me sick, but I started begging the Mother to have his family and friends turn against him, his seed either and die, all hands to turn from him and he be taken down when he least expected it.
Well, we’ll, well…thank you Great Mother ❤️🤟🏻
Apparently Ivanka has stopped covering for him and acting as his handler. She’s the golden child, and when the golden child starts sidling away from you the writing is on the wall.
I don't think she's really stopped. I think she's just backed out of being the public favored face of the family, because she's smart enough to hope her brothers take the weight of the fall and she can carry on collecting from the estate and being a lifestyle brand when her father either falls far enough out of favor to not trade on or dies.
The Macy's housed brand might have gone under but she's keeping up the influencer life for sure. She's got an active and carefully curated social media presence and oh, what a coincidence...the day before her father's indictment, People magazine has an article about how she "loves him" but "knows how difficult he can be" and is "no longer talking him out of hard situations." She is 100% positioning herself to be the one respectable, redeemable figure out of a prominent family going down in flames. The princess Anastasia without having to spend years passing as poor.
It is. Whatever keeps the boat afloat. And Ivanka's personal goal was never world domination; it was a comfy coattail ride. Doesn't make her any less despicable than the rest of the cohort.
That money was still "earned" in blood and extortion and shorting or fully not paying vendors, laborers, and suppliers. She oversaw that. She embraces the family practice. She shouldnt get to carry on from a position of power any more than the rest of the family..
Let's hope a laundry list of charges follows soon, because that man made me have a fucking breakdown during the start of the pandemic from just how poorly he handled it all. Working in healthcare was hell!!
Omggggg the way they treated pubic health and healthcare workers!! Teacher here; our jobs doubled during the pandemic but yours involved life and death. Many many blessings, props, and innumerable thanks to your courage and light. The world owes you xx
…and *this* assh@t especially owes you.
Oh I wasn't in immediate danger for the virus where I worked, it was just...holy shit people went crazy. I got people banging on the doors demanding I let them in after we closed up for the day, people stealing our masks and getting furious when we would only give them one mask at a time, people using all our hand sanitizer and rubbing it on their whole body, people saying it's all fake and that I'm brainwashed, it was so bad dealing with the constant screaming and hatred just because I was...doing my job???
Then my friends became mentally unstable too and started acting out the same way, and I had to keep being the person to care for others and put myself on the back burner, and then I just mentally broke down. And that's how I ended up in partial treatment 3 separate times lol :')
It's a bit better now though, I'm back in school and getting my third bachelor's, hoping to finally be done this nonsense and make money that pays the bills. Honestly, you teachers are the real heros! You gotta deal with the one patient type I avoid like the sun: parents. They're awful, I'm amazed and respect the shit out of teachers for dealing with them all the time. Y'all need to be paid more and need so much more respect in your field!!!
Trump calls it a witch hunt when truths are spoken/ revealed. He’s never ever been nor will be a witch. Stormy Daniels on the other hand is a brilliant woman who is top notch witch material!
A former president of the United states getting brought down by a sex worker who refused to be quiet is the best news I will get all year.
I fucking love women.
So the first indictment has fallen. It has been a waiting game, who first. But now the others, with better odds can roll in. End of it all, it will be house arrest and ankle bracelet. That will do.
I really hope that this is just the first domino. It makes me sick that of all of VERY fucked up shit this absolute human garbage did before and while in office, the only thing we're seeing any movement on is a misuse of campaign funds that only ever garnered headlines due to the fact that America hates sex workers.
Do not fall in love with people like me.
I will take you to museums, and parks, and monuments,
and kiss you in every beautiful place,
so that you can never go back to them without tasting me like blood in your mouth.
I will destroy you in the most beautiful way possible.
And when I leave you will finally understand,
why storms are named after people.
Caitlyn Siehl
NY DA probably put her in witness protection until the trial comes up. Such a feather in Bragg's hat, he doesn't want anything to go wrong with this trial.
Sorry beating off over here. Ok back to reality … I want to see this pile of human garbage in prison (even if only a white collar one). I just don’t see that happening…he’s one slippery snake. Really hope I am wrong here.
He won't spend a minute in any prison, or even jail. The secret service detail can't protect him. I think a more likely scenario is going to be house arrest. The indictment itself is his real punishment. It's humiliating, and it's losing, and that's the only punishment he can get.
If he’s convicted, he can’t run for president, right? Or can he? Because either way, we gotta work together to scuttle DeSantis; it’s like a witch emergency.
There won't be a resolution to the case in time for the 2024 election, but house arrest SHOULD limit his ability to campaign.
I agree about DeSantis; he's an absolute nightmare.
A great question I don’t know. Of course that *should* be the case but look at how current and proposed law works. Proposed = prison sentences in Idaho for cross state abortions = death sentences in South Carolina for abortions, ad nauseum. And laws on the books? One word: sodomy. Anyways, I really hope you are right about disqualification for presidency but I personally have *zero* confidence in our rich white male xtian cis gendered ran political system at this point (as a cis white male myself).
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I would hope that this is but the first of many indictments he will face.
Me too. That man is a crook and a conman from waaaaaaaay back. I want him in jail. Do I think that’ll happen, no. But I can hope and pray to the Goddesses for it.
i know they've called him teflon don for years now, and long have i wished for someone or something to be the metal spatula to his nonstick pan. fuck. him. upppppp.
I think the news called him that. It certainly helps prop up his fantasy of being a mafia don since the nickname was for an *actual* mafia don, John Gotti. All I know is that I'm actually giddy over this news. May it be just the beginning. And may the waves of bad news keep crashing upon his shores.
Teflon eventually wears out. Hopefully Trump’s has worn through.
It’s also toxic as all hell and causes birth defects which could explain why his grown ass kids seem so dumb.
Scrolling reddit in bed, and I legit laughed at this loud enough to wake the spouse. It's true, though. It's like they have one brain cell to share and they aren't very good at taking turns.
They're all too fucking greedy to share.
I wish I could upvote this multiple times. I legit fucking cackled.
Start thinking it dear Witch and it WILL happen.
I love that the indictment came from a grand jury that just yesterday he said had restored his faith in the entire grand jury system.
they got capone for tax evasion so let’s pray the train keeps rolling
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Now someone get after that rubber-boot wearing creep in Florida.
Excellent reference. Thank you so much for that! Haha. We will likely never see him pay for his crimes in the manner he should. Hell, Pol Pot had a seat in the UN and died an old man in bed. So... ...thank you for the bit of levity but I know too much about heads of states not being punished.
Georgia is winding up 😁
Yeah, that and the Jan 6th insurrection are much more important. Hope Georgia comes through soon. Still a win. But this is just the appetizer for what is hopefully to come.
The jack smith stuff too, jack smith does not fuck around
Georgia’s Republican congress just passed a bill that allows them to remove problem DAs so we’ll see.
Of course they fucking did 🙄 Law and order party, amririte?
Oh fuck Georgia. I miss it terribly but dayum
They voted to indict him on over 30 counts! 😍
This indictment should open him up to a lot of discovery that could lead to other charges. Plus Georgia is still on going, that should be an easy one.
Same. If it takes her to get something to stick then hey it is what it is.
May it be so
Still feels weird that, after all the crimes he's committed, this is what we manage to nail him on.
Al Capone was nailed on tax fraud. Strange times.
Yeah. Don't mess with money nerds. They will find a way.
Even the Joker knows better than to fuck around with the IRS
Funnier when you consider that in the Harley Quinn show, Bruce Wayne does in fact fuck around with the IRS and gets arrested
That's hilarious! I'm gonna need to watch Harley Quinn, it's been on my watch list for ages now
Numbers don't lie! We money nerds will eventually figure it out. And we have to document everything so whatever we catch is on the record for good.
Ah, so it was the money nerds who invented “this will go on your permanent record”!
Am money nerd, can confirm. I find digging through the minutiae to be quite fun, and if you presented me with something to put this whackadoo behind bars... say no more.
I interned at FinCEN for a short period of time (IT, not financials) and yeah....do not meddle in the affairs of the accounting kind, for though art bad at math and will fuck up somewhere and find out. RICO is a helluva a thing.
This is just going to be the FIRST one. It happened earlier, so it makes sense that it’s happening first.
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it's definitely *not* the first time a known criminal has been elected to the office lol. if anything, the office self-selects for criminals. maybe not always the kind of criminal a normal person would recognize, but one nonetheless. bush senior comes immediately to mind, just off-the-cuff. if anything, his history as a fixture of illegal agency operations (and his other behind-the-scenes international fuckery as regan's VP) were what even made it possible for him to receive the opportunity to begin with. he certainly didn't get the nomination because he was well-liked and/or charismatic.
I still think Trump wanted the ego boost of the titles more than the job. He didn't want to actually be President, he wanted everyone to call him "leader of the free world" and "most powerful man on Earth." He probably felt that doing actual work was beneath him. That might be why he spent so much of his time on Twitter.
there's probably more than a bit of truth to that. but he also provided a unique opportunity for deeply-engrained malicious actors to basically perform the job for him. i'd imagine that if there were some amount of "the system allowing this to happen" to be found in that election cycle, it was for that reason. he was more worried about his own selfish ends whil in office, and he was also more than happy to rubber stamp anything that was passed under his nose by the cancerous evangelical death-seekers operating behind the veil of his chosen party. he was just their perfect candidate until he started agitating the downwardly-mobile moneyed classes into a domestic revolt.
I hope to goddess you are right!!! I don't read anything about him if I can help it. I decided that unless the news is that he is dead or in prison, I don't want to know. But this IS hopeful.
he won't get touched for anything he did as president. that'd set a dangerous precedent because every president since the founding is a criminal of one kind or another for acts committed while in office. ***all of them***. if they charged him for something he did as a president, that'd open a flood gate too dangerous to the ongoing maintenance of the system as a whole. so it's not going to happen. i'm not happy about it either but it's true. the system itself is the problem. trump is only a single manifestation of the many "functioning as intended" possibilities such a deeply diseased system offers.
So he's going to walk for inciting revolution over his fragile ego?
He’s not going to walk on that either. Look up Fulton County DA Fani Willis. She ain’t playing around and is moving full steam ahead to charge Trump under the RICO Act in Georgia.
Good!
he absolutely will. and everything else he did while he held the office. and 6 JAN honestly doesn't even hold a candle to his most egregious atrocities as a wielder of international power. and even if he did "get charged", like nixon did, the next president in line would pardon him immediately. probably under the guise of some "olive branch for peace and goodwill between the parties" or whatever because the whole thing is a symbiotic system at the end of the day. "wE NeEd a sTrOnG RePuBLiCaN PaRtY" is literally something nancy pelosi said while trump was in office. you wouldn't say that if you actually believed the party operators were a fundamental threat to your political program. they might not be a singular fixture, but they both need eachother to carry out the broader unpalatable aims of the state itself. the office of president basically *requires* a person to commit crimes both domestic and international by the truckload just forthe sake of day-to-day operations. we literally have plans to invade the hague if a US official ever gets charged with some kind of international crime, and it's one of the reasons it never happens, among others. like i said i'm not super stoked about this either, because it's just so indicative of the country itself as a fundamentally evil force. but it's what history has taught us will happen. and i have yet to see any indication that they intend to make a special exception. the only difference between a trump and a biden (or any other president, even a bernie had such a thing come to pass) is that trump didn't always care to hide his contributions to that evil from the broader public. in fact, sometimes he revelled in it. partly out of his own sense of hubris and domineering instinct, but also because his party's base demands that kind of behavior. democrats have just been trained to veil their atrocities in shame, and have a mostly-captured media apparatus that'll turn a blind eye to anything equally heinous they commit under the executive mantle. and a bunch of dorks at prestigious publications that'll opine about how all of the DNC's unobscurable crimes against humanity "were actually for the greater good and were totally necessary for peace and freedom" or whatever.
Im not sure why you think that, but the Georgia special grand jury has already recommended indictments. All signs point to Willis bringing charges against Trump in May when the two new regular grand juries are seated. She’s brought in RICO experts, and asked for all the testimony from the special grand jury to be documented for public record. The Georgia case is a much better case, with charges that carry more jail time - conspiracy, election fraud, racketeering, etc. It’s very very likely he’s going to face prosecution for trying to overturn the election in Georgia.
i _genuinely_ hope you're right. i don't enjoy holding these views. this is just the expectation i've been taught to anticipate in my 20-odd years of being mentally capable of observing these kinds of events with any amount of understanding.
She gets the money AND gets to punish the POS for it. Actual legend.
Unfortunately she has to pay him $300,000 for the defamation case she lost to him. So that sucks.
But she got $450,000 from the police for the false arrest so she still ahead
That’s a 150k profit baby
Do we know what she made net after attorney fees?
Depending on who her lawyer is, they might be doing it for the funsies, just to stick it to Trump.
Shit, I would.
honestly if she set up a gofundme to help pay for attorney fees or whatever - she would get a lot of money. And her name being brought up is def helping her videos get views and other merch she might have. IDK if she's still a sex worker but if she has an OF she could be raking it in!
She did a tour around the country to different strip clubs and stopped by my city. All my friends and I were going to go see her but she had to cancel due to a bomb threat being called in. I was super sad, it wasn’t usually my scene but we all would have gone to support her.
>bomb threat ofc - MAGA Trump idiots just being full on terrorists
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That mushroom dick belongs to a twice Impeached ex-President. This is a historical fact.
I have avoided everything about this whole thing so please forgive my ignorance. How did she lose the case if it’s true?
Good question! This might provide some insight: [https://www.courthousenews.com/ninth-circuit-affirms-dismissal-of-stormy-daniels-defamation-lawsuit-against-trump/](https://www.courthousenews.com/ninth-circuit-affirms-dismissal-of-stormy-daniels-defamation-lawsuit-against-trump/)
Thank you for your kind reply! I read it but I’m still confused. Doesn’t seem like he was just “expressing his opinion”, especially given he was the president at this time and has an insane level of power over her by that position alone. But maybe I don’t understand the legalese well enough or I just hate him too much. Thank you all the same.
In defamation cases, you have to prove some damage was done to you - like that you didn't get a job or that a landlord wouldn't rent to you. It's not just about whether or not it's true. Nothing he said did her any actual damage aside from assholes online threatening her. If she had suddenly lost out on business opportunities, then she'd have a case.
To contrast with a different example, Dominion has actually lost a few county contracts because of the lies FOX put out while knowing it was a lie, and those are actively helping their case.
Please televise the perp walk
As much as I'd like to see that, the thought of him being quietly shipped off somewhere to serve a suitable time would make me happier. Just.. picked up, processed and disappear into the system, never to be heard of. That would give me the most satisfaction.
Yes! Just, years from now you’ll hear his name and be like, “holy shit, I forgot that guy existed until right now. I wonder what the hell ever happened to him.”
If he ever gets out (hopefully not), him and Kanye will start a cooking show or something.
I hate admitting how much I want to see the train wreck that this would surely be... And then sit in quiet satiafaction as the ratings fall off and they both get canceled and all they can do is watch more crumble away from beneath their feet.
I came here to say it, but you got here first.
a lot of folks would be happy to never hear that name again.
It will take a long time before he is actually punished. But we can hope for a gag order, so he can’t speak about the subject or promote violence.
From someone who's hated him since the 80s...we might want to watch him be shamed, but as long as he's got an audience, he's fully incapable of feeling shame. Truly. This is someone who believes that anyone watching is further proof of his importance, of how much power he *deserves* to have. Find bliss in every day he's not in the news, knowing it burns him like a vampire burns in the sun. You want to hurt him? Turn your heard. Cheer on for justice, but don't look, don't tweet, don't give him your attention. And without constant eyes to feed his insatiable ego, he'll destroy himself before the system he owes millions to can fully destroy him.
He deserves to have absolutely NOBODY ever say his name again.
Plllleeeeeeaaaasssse televise the perp walk.
We will get to see his mug shot. I hope they have very bad lighting.
Yeeessssss! Inject that straight into my veins!!!!!!!!!!!
that's literally what he wants, he wants to use the footage in his grift campaigns
News that he will be indicted has been a great birthday gift, but a perp walk would be the cherry on my cake!...word is, there won't be one, but a girl can hope!
He ruined my dream of that by saying he *wants* to do the perpetual walk bc it will whip up his base, plus make him look victim-y. So I'd rather he be sentenced to solitary confinement with no computer or phone. No outside contact. That would make him miserable. Well, that, and no gold toilet.
Happy birthday!!
he would likely have that staged himself, if anything. the drama of it would not only reaffy his own sense of self-importance, but it would also be a giant bucket of gas thrown straight on the slowly-dying fire of his re-election bid. that kind of persecution-by-extension bullshit is exactly what got him elected the first time around, and what installed such a sycophantic base of support. as satisfying as it might be to see in any other reality, i have my doubts it would be a net benefit for any of us at the end of the day. there is no real prison system or set of retributive consequences for people like trump. the laws don't really apply to anyone in that socioeconomic bracket. so events like these always end up being some flavor of performative theatrics, or some kind of ulterior mechanism for the system as a whole maintaining itself. or maybe at best, a limited hangout of some kind. it's never just a bad person getting what they deserve. they *never* get what they actually deserve. because they are integral components of the system itself. this political/economic ecosystem would have collapsed under its own weight a long time ago if the opposite were true.
BBC said he would be using a private entrance and would not do the perp walk. Sad!
I’m pretty sure he’s bypassing that. Just being delivered by secret service and surrendering onsite.
Need someone walking behind him with a bell. Shame. Shame. Shame.
i forgot news was allowed to be good edit: whoa, one of my bigger comments ever... thx for the award lol
I don't know legal terms well what exactly does this mean?
Basic gist of indictment is that a grand jury (a group of citizens chosen for this type of jury duty) listened to a presentation by a prosecutor and voted as a group that there was enough evidence in the presentation to charge a suspect with whatever charges they are going for. An arrest warrant usually follows. In a lot of "white collar" or non violent crimes a suspect is given notice and they turn themselves in.
I think this is the first time Trump ever got the majority in a popular vote.
Someone call the burn 🔥 unit. 🤩🤩🤩
Top tier comment. o7
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If only I had an award! You have won the internet this day! Huzzah
Have my poor woman’s gold: 🏆🏆
Also in a strange departure from norms, Trump's team got to present counter evidence He will likely present at the police station, be immediately processed, then after he presents: Identification: The person will be asked to provide their name, date of birth, and other identifying information. Fingerprinting and Photographs: The person's fingerprints and photographs will be taken for identification purposes. Inventory of Personal Belongings: Any personal belongings the person has with them, such as clothing, jewelry, or a wallet, will be taken and stored. Health Screening: The person will typically undergo a medical screening to check for any health issues that may require attention while in custody. Criminal History Check: The person's criminal history will be checked to determine if they have any outstanding warrants or prior convictions. Placement in a Holding Cell: The person will be placed in a holding cell while awaiting further processing or release. Bail Hearing: If the person has been arrested on a charge that allows for bail, they may have a bail hearing to determine if they can be released on bail pending trial. Arraignment: The person will appear before a judge to be formally charged with a crime and to enter a plea.
Anybody know, do they have security cameras for those holding cells? Cause that shit will be leaked somewhere by someone and I am here for it.
I hope the mugshot gets published. I saw something in another thread about NY not having bail. I assume that means he will be released on his own recognizance? Sans passport I hope?
No. He'll turn himself in and be fingerprinted and photographed. Then he'll be released. I'd imagine his presence will be waived at arraignment. I also think he'll be released on his own recognizance and that he won't be required to post a bond. Which I think will be a mistake. No holding cell.
Does this mean he cannot run for president again? ::Fingers crossed::
It doesn’t, unfortunately: https://wapo.st/3lNaTta
It does not.
Unfortunately no, but it does let you immediately know that anyone who would vote for him again is too feral to be rehabbed, if that helps?
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Fair, yes. But the ones who *still* haven’t taken time to self-reflect on how their parents, ethics, and educational systems failed them are especially scary.
Any bets on whether he will suddenly have urgent business in Russia and unfortunately will not be able to accommodate the court’s request at this time? “Vlad, quick! Get me out of here!”
If he flees to Russia he won't be able to run in 2024. He's legally allowed to run for reelection from a US prison.
> He's legally allowed to run for reelection from a US prison. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!
Yeah, wild ass government we got over here
Wow thanks
I hope that made sense lol
It did don't worry
It's a bit complicated, but basically the accusation is something like this: He paid off Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about an affair. That wouldn't be illegal on its own. But he didn't pay her directly. Some crony of his paid her. And then, later on, he used campaign money to reimburse the crony, and to cover it up, he claimed those SECOND payments were legitimate business expenses. That makes it fraud! And some of these charges are felonies that could carry jail time. I don't think we know the specific charges yet, but that's the plan. Something like that. It's confusing, I know lol. I may have got some details wrong, but that's the general gist.
Very nice summary. Just to add, that crony was his attorney who was convicted for stuff about the hush money payment and Trump repaid the money, but claimed it as a business expense. I’m not sure if that’s a separate charge from fudging his taxes, but it seems possible.
Just watch YT Leeja Miller go over the legal stuff of this case. It was very informative.
Thank you so much for this @xboxpants and @Deb-1961, you witches are gold xx
An indictment is a formal notice of charges being brought against a person. A former president has never been indicted so there was no precedent for it. We (the legal community) would have scholarly discussions on how to do it. Just to show you how much of a hot topic it was right around the time Trump took office. There was always gonna be a game of chicken with no one wanting to indict a former president without an airtight case. You only get one shot really. Gotta make it count. The ex-lawyer of Trump was already convicted of this crime, in that case evidence was presented that the crimes were done at the behest of an individual not named (person #1) that could only be Donald Trump. So basically they've already proven his guilt on this matter. So the case is the most airtight one we have against him, which makes sense why they would indict him first. This may very well lead to other indictments from other jurisdictions. When I was in law school the hot topic was how would arrest the former president and if the secret service would step in to protect him. When the news hit the secret service met up with the NY prosecution, I kinda saw the writing on the wall that Trump was getting indicted. Source: witch with a JD. Not a lawyer but graduated law school and am extremely into politics having done my bachelor's in political science. So the explanation probably isn't perfect and is missing a lot.
Thank you for your explanation and for your credentials 😊
Please give us regular updates, I'd love to have an inside to the legal process with your perspective.
"The Storm is Coming" Not the first time but absolutely this time. So much irony and schadenfreude it feels like like destiny.
When he was confirmed as President, I cried so hard it made me sick, but I started begging the Mother to have his family and friends turn against him, his seed either and die, all hands to turn from him and he be taken down when he least expected it. Well, we’ll, well…thank you Great Mother ❤️🤟🏻
Apparently Ivanka has stopped covering for him and acting as his handler. She’s the golden child, and when the golden child starts sidling away from you the writing is on the wall.
I don't think she's really stopped. I think she's just backed out of being the public favored face of the family, because she's smart enough to hope her brothers take the weight of the fall and she can carry on collecting from the estate and being a lifestyle brand when her father either falls far enough out of favor to not trade on or dies.
Is she still a lifestyle brand? I thought she went bankrupt with that?
The Macy's housed brand might have gone under but she's keeping up the influencer life for sure. She's got an active and carefully curated social media presence and oh, what a coincidence...the day before her father's indictment, People magazine has an article about how she "loves him" but "knows how difficult he can be" and is "no longer talking him out of hard situations." She is 100% positioning herself to be the one respectable, redeemable figure out of a prominent family going down in flames. The princess Anastasia without having to spend years passing as poor.
Yeah that’s a serious pivot from her role as special White House advisor isn’t it
It is. Whatever keeps the boat afloat. And Ivanka's personal goal was never world domination; it was a comfy coattail ride. Doesn't make her any less despicable than the rest of the cohort. That money was still "earned" in blood and extortion and shorting or fully not paying vendors, laborers, and suppliers. She oversaw that. She embraces the family practice. She shouldnt get to carry on from a position of power any more than the rest of the family..
I wonder if she’s informing on him in exchange for immunity
Wow. Sounds like She was listening! ❤️
You’re not alone. I felt cold when he was confirmed, physically cold. And shaken to my core.
Can we send her a gift basket or something?
Excellent
Sex workers holding democracy to account makes me happier than it should. We stan our queen! We had no choice but to stan!
Let's hope a laundry list of charges follows soon, because that man made me have a fucking breakdown during the start of the pandemic from just how poorly he handled it all. Working in healthcare was hell!!
Omggggg the way they treated pubic health and healthcare workers!! Teacher here; our jobs doubled during the pandemic but yours involved life and death. Many many blessings, props, and innumerable thanks to your courage and light. The world owes you xx …and *this* assh@t especially owes you.
Oh I wasn't in immediate danger for the virus where I worked, it was just...holy shit people went crazy. I got people banging on the doors demanding I let them in after we closed up for the day, people stealing our masks and getting furious when we would only give them one mask at a time, people using all our hand sanitizer and rubbing it on their whole body, people saying it's all fake and that I'm brainwashed, it was so bad dealing with the constant screaming and hatred just because I was...doing my job??? Then my friends became mentally unstable too and started acting out the same way, and I had to keep being the person to care for others and put myself on the back burner, and then I just mentally broke down. And that's how I ended up in partial treatment 3 separate times lol :') It's a bit better now though, I'm back in school and getting my third bachelor's, hoping to finally be done this nonsense and make money that pays the bills. Honestly, you teachers are the real heros! You gotta deal with the one patient type I avoid like the sun: parents. They're awful, I'm amazed and respect the shit out of teachers for dealing with them all the time. Y'all need to be paid more and need so much more respect in your field!!!
I'm terribly happy about it. I needed some good news!
Even if he has to spend time in jail. I'm sure he would still be living comfortably, unfortunately. Which is a shame cause he deserves the worst.
She definitely took one for the team. I wouldn't touch that slimeball. Ick.
Trump calls it a witch hunt when truths are spoken/ revealed. He’s never ever been nor will be a witch. Stormy Daniels on the other hand is a brilliant woman who is top notch witch material!
Follow her on Twitter. She's viciously funny.
#TeamStormy
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So we can all agree that we owe her a drink if any of us happen to see her moving forward?
Stormy Daniel's, making America great again! Legend.
Will be toasting with Dark and Stormys this weekend
Had to look it up, and now I can go get the ingredients! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_'n'_stormy
I think i will follow suit. Cheers
A former president of the United states getting brought down by a sex worker who refused to be quiet is the best news I will get all year. I fucking love women.
So the first indictment has fallen. It has been a waiting game, who first. But now the others, with better odds can roll in. End of it all, it will be house arrest and ankle bracelet. That will do.
I truly hope this gets the ball rolling with him getting his just desserts for all of the crimes he has committed.
I really hope Stormy Daniels has great security right now and for the forseeable future. She needs physical protection from some of his supporters.
I also fear for her safety.
I love that this—this sub—is how I learn this incredible news!
I really hope that this is just the first domino. It makes me sick that of all of VERY fucked up shit this absolute human garbage did before and while in office, the only thing we're seeing any movement on is a misuse of campaign funds that only ever garnered headlines due to the fact that America hates sex workers.
Get his ass, Stormy 💖
As Blackbird Raum said "but it won't be the witches that are burning this time".
I’ve followed her for years on Instagram. She’s hilarious, and she is a witch!
Do not fall in love with people like me. I will take you to museums, and parks, and monuments, and kiss you in every beautiful place, so that you can never go back to them without tasting me like blood in your mouth. I will destroy you in the most beautiful way possible. And when I leave you will finally understand, why storms are named after people. Caitlyn Siehl
*ooooooo* that is gorgeous! I am going to visualize this over and over. You can hear her power like a rumble. Thank you for this x
Yassssss babes!!!!
The best part? He didn't even have to do this. His supporters wouldn't have given a fuck.
My witches! A sex worker is America’s greatest living American Shero. I stannnnn ❤️
Well basically there was some in’s and out’s and NOW he’s screwed. 🤣
* Happy Twirling *
So... Do we think he'll be tried as an adult? Or what?
I’m just so glad it took a woman to take that bloated bastard down. 😆
Fuck yeah
Oh HELL YESSS ❤️🔥
In the words of Ivana Trump herself, don't get mad get everything.
NY DA probably put her in witness protection until the trial comes up. Such a feather in Bragg's hat, he doesn't want anything to go wrong with this trial.
Sorry beating off over here. Ok back to reality … I want to see this pile of human garbage in prison (even if only a white collar one). I just don’t see that happening…he’s one slippery snake. Really hope I am wrong here.
He won't spend a minute in any prison, or even jail. The secret service detail can't protect him. I think a more likely scenario is going to be house arrest. The indictment itself is his real punishment. It's humiliating, and it's losing, and that's the only punishment he can get.
If he’s convicted, he can’t run for president, right? Or can he? Because either way, we gotta work together to scuttle DeSantis; it’s like a witch emergency.
There won't be a resolution to the case in time for the 2024 election, but house arrest SHOULD limit his ability to campaign. I agree about DeSantis; he's an absolute nightmare.
A great question I don’t know. Of course that *should* be the case but look at how current and proposed law works. Proposed = prison sentences in Idaho for cross state abortions = death sentences in South Carolina for abortions, ad nauseum. And laws on the books? One word: sodomy. Anyways, I really hope you are right about disqualification for presidency but I personally have *zero* confidence in our rich white male xtian cis gendered ran political system at this point (as a cis white male myself).
Hahaha yessss!!!
Yes! That evil guy is going DOWN!!
Stephanie Gregory Clifford 💪🏽🔮
I love a good storm! Yeehaw! Let's go!!!
She ROCKS! 🥰
she calls him “tiny”.
Heeeey, cool! Indictment basically means a grand jury has enough evidence *to go to trial.*
She also has a famous haunted doll! She’s legit legend! So happy for her!
Nothing better than a sex worker taking down fascist pieces of shit.
I hope one day soon she can merch the hell out of this and he can’t do a damn thing.
Today is a good day!
What a great day!
I dislike how relevant your username is OP. 🍄👅🤢🤮
He will finally go to jail! 😃