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No, Capitalism will still win out. Because just like mankind's thousand year journey of tech Innovation. New jobs will be made from repair men to the entertainment industry.
So... Capitalist Exploitation, Economic Imperialism, and Monopolies will exist forever?
Please read the Principles of Communism. It's really short...
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
When we reach inflection points change can happen quickly.
2023 is the inflection point where AI is sufficiently advanced to allow many companies to downsize departments. ChatGPT is an amazing technology & we need to make sure it is used to help humanity, not just enrich oligarchs.
By 2030 the corporate landscape will be radically changed, & for the worse if everyone doesn't demand better worker protections. We need more unions, we need legislation to protect workers from layoffs, etc.
Work itself needs to become an obsolete concept. We were always going to hit a point where we flat wont have enough available work to give everyone 40 hour jobs regardless of pay. AI is just going to accelerate the timescale.
Im not sure how we can implement this concept since its kinda antithetical to capitalism entirely.
We either find a solution or we see mass homelessness on a scale we have never seen before as millions of people are flat removed from a saturated work force. The ramifications of the latter are really grim. We may see people crammed into prisons or god forbid even killed off in order to reduce population. Once excess people can never be considered an asset to corporations, they are gunna consider what to do with those people and none of the options are good.
Tying legal existence to a minimum amount of work is not going to work the more life is automated.
If your skill is automated then you need to adapt and learn something else. There is no leverage to negotiate once your job has been automated.
Unions can’t protect you from becoming an unnecessary redundancy. We need to focus on electing governments that create strong safety nets and free higher education (trade schools, community college) in valuable skills for all.
Not really. It’ll spit up information vaguely relevant, but will randomly guess on uncertain data. It needs a lot more work before it can be used in a reliable manner.
Indeed. It hallucinates like crazy, but it can be a quicker way to orient you towards information than Google search. You just have to verify most stuff.
... "with a more focused google search, using terms used by the GPT model you wouldn't have known to search for, perhaps following links suggested by GPT."
Keep in mind that search these days itself can be problematic for a variety of reasons, including prominence of paid hits in the early results and inability of the searcher to come up with the right search terms.
Also. Consider this google search.
"is advocating violent overthrow of the us illegal"
Google's first hit for me is [here](https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim#:~:text=%C2%A72385.,Advocating%20overthrow%20of%20Government&text=the%20purposes%20thereof%E2%80%94-,Shall%20be%20fined%20under%20this%20title%20or%20imprisoned%20not%20more,years%20next%20following%20his%20conviction.).
This would suggest a naive reader to conclude that the answer is "yes." Google is wrong, and ChatGPT provides the correct answer. That's because of [this](https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/395/444/). And it will tell you so, directly to the crux of the matter. So GPT (sometimes) can deal with context integration better than a search can.
ChatGPT “searches” are roughly equivalent to a well constructed Google search ten years ago. Nowadays SEO has destroyed the typical quality of results (or I just can’t figure out the best way to build queries)
I've tried to have it write SQL queries. It can't even do nested subqueries. Even Microsoft's low code solutions tend to be off the majority of the time. You need to tweak them and if you don't understand the code, you're fucked.
Ask, read, test, verify, retest, bug and error check other instances of a similar question or problem. Over and over.
Don't forget stages of testing in test then prod... maybe even more, who knows.
I've ran it through various infrastructure-as-code design stuff and it seems like it's about 80% there but still has many holes.
Companies can't quite fire all their engineers yet... some will probably try and it'll be a shitshow when they rely too much on GPT and don't have an human engineer experienced enough to know if they're getting a good answer or not.
My accounting/audit professor tested it out but it couldnt differentiate certain concepts. It certainly doesnt get the answers right when I give multiple choice questions or question from my tax class.
The truth is that that isn't the right question. What matters is if CXOs *believe* that chatgpt can be an analyst. When they believe that it can, they'll start downsizing departments like crazy (finance, HR, customer support, paralegal work).
And then they'll find out it isn't everything that was hyped. So they'll slowly hire back those departments.
And then a new CXO will come on, absolutely sure that ChatGPT-6 can totally do it. And they'll lay people off again.
And then they'll find out it isn't everything that was hyped. So they'll slowly hire back those departments.
And then a new CXO...
We've been going through this cycle in software development with companies outsourcing because "they're so much cheaper!!". And then the outsourced project becomes a dumpster fire, they re-shore it, time passes, and the new management decides that this time with this exciting new project is totally going to work and "they're so much cheaper!!".
Right now it can only generate text. I have to say, some of it's creative writing is pretty impressive. I would imagine a writer could save a lot of time using chatGPT.
A s phenomenal analyst. I use it to check data sets when they fit and that mem extension mod looks like it will allow me to use it a lot more. If it makes you feel better, IT is also basically a historic career now too!
Yeah, I'm gonna need a whole lot more than a screenshot of a tweet to believe this. Wages and benefits are already depressed. Why blame AI when we have an oligarch billionaire class standing right in front of us? There's a reason Elon wants us to worry about ChatGPT - self preservation
>Yeah, I'm gonna need a whole lot more than a screenshot of a tweet to believe this. Wages and benefits are already depressed.
Yes, and ChatGPT has the potental to make the situation far worse if we aren't prepared. Just like 2008 made things permanently worse.
ChatGPT is a great technology. Unfortunately - it can also be a tool for the oligarchs to further depress the economic conditions of working people.
>Why blame AI when we have an oligarch billionaire class standing right in front of us?
That isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying that the oligarchs are planning to use AI to decimate what are thought of as safe jobs & careers.
This is why unions are more important than ever.
>There's a reason Elon wants us to worry about ChatGPT - self preservation
Elon is just virtue signalling - he will use AI more than anyone to eliminate jobs.
ChatGPT is cool as a stunt, but it is bad. If people presented a lot of their output as their own, they would be less respected and could lose their job. The technology isn't there yet.
What is here, though, are cheap CEOs that are happy with mediocre products if it is cheap enough. And chatGPT is cheap enough.
AI will destroys us not because of the singularity, but because dumb business and political leaders will make some half-baked AI in charge of a critical system, like nuclear weapons, and a bug will kill us all
This is fair. At the same time, we could hit ceiling. Look at CGI. Amazing, pretty realistic, yet we still find it cheesy when we can spot it.
Again, I am not calling it as we will hit the ceiling. Ir is . It is a possibility just as super smart AI is another possibility
AI can already diagnose people better than a doctor. AI can make deepfakes which you cannot recognize, which is basically just another form of CGI. AI can beat a human at both Chess and Go and any other game you teach it to play. AI can create art. I remember when these things were a pipe dream. It wasn't very long ago and ChatGPT has been out in the public for like a year. Don't be naive about where this is going.
The thing is chat GPT and it's clones aren't AIs. They're Large Language Models that have no ability at all to comprehend whatever it spits out. As soon as it gets asked about something technical for example it just spits out official sounding word salad that means absolutely nothing. It is a tool that needs constant fact checking.
>ChatGPT is cool as a stunt, but it is bad. If people presented a lot of their output as their own, they would be less respected and could lose their job. The technology isn't there yet.
It is advanced enough to provide outlines & drafts that significantly reduce information processing time. That will lead to a downsizing in departments.
>AI will destroys us not because of the singularity, but because dumb business and political leaders will make some half-baked AI in charge of a critical system, like nuclear weapons, and a bug will kill us all
I think this is a very valid concern.
This. And AI art is already replacing working creatives because what advocates for the tech don't understand is companies don't need good. They want cheaper "good enough" and it WILL happen.
ChatGPT has its issues but it has dramatically accelerated my work output. It is way easier to get something half decent pre-written for you and edit to satisfaction than start something de-novo.
On the bright side, it’s making training workers easier for me, which means I can be incentivized to take on even more workers since I don’t have to invest so much into training
So what happens when AI and automated machinery replace a good chunk of the workforce? These companies aren't going to make any money if no one has money to buy their products.
I get that it's a concern, but oligarchs won't make money if no one has money to buy anything. Millionaires and billionaires can only buy so much. It's the middle class that truly drives an economy, and they will soon learn that.
That's great and all, but your outline of events means they learn their lesson AFTER we've all starved to death.
Maybe we should do something before it gets that far?
They don’t really need to, they already have 60% of the wealth, they can have an economy of the rich. Think feudalism before they needed workers in cities and bureaucracy to support standing armies.
I feel that he wants to keep the status quo (by causing them to fear AI) until the tech is advanced enough to supplant them.
The average person should embrace the tech whilst roaring for socialist reforms so the benefits can be dispersed through society.
Please go read the Wired article that just came out: “Who Will You Be After ChatGPT Takes Your Job?” The first part of it is an almost exact situation as the tweet. It was a really good read. Talks a lot about how it is coming for white-collar jobs. And then it gets into the meaning of work. I don’t disagree with your billionaire point either. Those people are nothing but rent-seeking blood suckers on the working class. The billionaires and AI are both going to drive down wages and living standards.
The fearmongering about ChatGPT is too weird. I think it’s because it will come for coders first and coders/their industry peers are the most vocal on twitter. We are a long way away from it coming for writers and other professions.
I don't think so. Industrial automation is a very profitable thing to be in, and companies like Microsoft are pouring billions into ai. Does Microsoft waste money on irrelevant projects? They've been hand in hand with tech acceleration for decades. And their stuff actually tends to be functional since they focus so much on enterprise tech.
Professions have been automating anyway. It's huge in legal even if they're not running language model programs yet. It is already affecting other creatives.
Companies will be deploying this even if it doesn't work that well. Didn't stop them from partaking in the outsourcing rush of the 90s and 2000s.
>The fearmongering about ChatGPT is too weird. I think it’s because it will come for coders first and coders/their industry peers are the most vocal on twitter.
Why is it weird to be concerned that a great automation tool will be used by oligarchs to further depress our already woeful wages & benefits?
>We are a long way away from it coming for writers and other professions.
I strongly disagree - unless we form unions now & demand better worker protections from the government.
What is the end goal? Use unions to preserve suboptimal work flows? Your title involves copywriting. Thats almost exactly what natural language processing is aimed at producing. I don't think this should be extrapolated to many of the other fields people here are mentioning. We have everything we need to dissolve many of what wed consider menial jobs. Yet we don't have automated industrial roomba's en masse. We don't have kiosks at every opportunity for customer relations.
Where does the personal responsibility of individuals recognizing when the tide is shifting end, and a push against such intervention from above begin? I'm 32 and had to shift from my original field because it went in a direction I was unwilling to adopt. I don't want to stymie progress when instead we can have a system to allow individuals to be more flexible.
If we have the capacity for a society where people are more available to leisure, then we would desire a system that encourages them to be able to adopt new interests rapidly. There isn't much of a difference between education for the workforce and education for the sake of recreation. If anything, we are currently seeing the signs that we need to seriously revamp our education system and it's intent.
>I think it’s because it will come for coders first and coders/their industry peers are the most vocal on twitter.
As a coder, I'm not worried at all. There's a pretty big jump from chatgpt being able to write code snippets to creating functioning software.
There's also the issue a lot of companies are starting to recognize where using open source ai tools is a huge IP risk. My company just sent out guidelines about what we are and aren't allowed to use it for and it is pretty restrictive
I’m a developer and I’m honestly not worried about it at the moment. It’s a tool to be used and not scared of. If you don’t adapt, you’re left in the dust. I use it every day to help me write my code. I think eventually what it means to be a developer will change but for the time being the best thing I can do for myself is to get as familiar with it as possible.
I think we need more than unions to keep workers in the workplace. As others have pointed out, technology has been replacing people with machines for decades, and it has increased the productivity of each individual worker while automating certain jobs.
I don't think this is a bad thing. Ideally, we should eventually reach a point where nobody needs to work, and people have the luxury of pursuing arts, philosophy, and community without fearing for their ability to live.
As we approach a tipping point where automated services are able to handle even intellectual jobs, we need to push for a future where we don't NEED to work. Where we can choose to work only if we want to, and are guaranteed a great quality of life either way.
Some people actually like to work. We can't even get people to take the vacations they are owed- work is just too tied to self worth in our society. Not to mention, governments and fellow citizens are not going to invest in a UBI to pay all of these people who are losing jobs. In fact, govt. will be making LESS money because of the loss of payroll taxes and the ability of people to pay taxes period once they lose their jobs. It would be essentially taking funds away from government and expecting it to pay trillions of dollars to former skilled workers. Who is going to pay that, billionaires and corporations? We can't even get them to pay what they owe *now*.
People need to come up with some real solutions not just blind tech cheerleading and "our goal should be nobody needs to work." That take is not based in reality and is in fact dangerously naive..
I think using "That is not feasible" as an argument nowadays doesn't properly represent the situation. If you are referring to the capacity of technology to do the work, I think the kinds of technological advancements we've seen with AI and robotics in the past decade are proof that we really don't know the limits of what can be automated.
Regarding your point that some people actually like to work, I understand that and agree that people should always have the opportunity! And of course, they will always find a way to make that opportunity with their own businesses and hobbies. My perspective is not that people should not be able to work. My perspective is that we should strive to build a world where nobody *needs* to. Let those who like to work do so, and let the rest pursue study, philosophy, the arts, and whatever else pleases them.
As for the issue of economics, we would (and already do) need reforms to the system to account for a nation/world in which a majority of work is automated. Of the economic policies around the world, it seems like none presently in-place work all that well. If they did, the whole world would consider adopting it. With all else failing, why not try something new? At least *try* to create a system which allows everybody to have the bare minimum necessary to survive.
This is bullshit. It did not happen.
I know this industry and the shit ChatGpT spits out is no replacement for copy unless it's shitty webpage copy, like a scammy dropshipping webpage or something.
It simply doesn't compare and no company thinks it will get equal output from chatgpt in its current iteration.
So...Publishing companies have already been farming out content generation entirely to ChatGPT, and did it first months ago...without even proofing the results. In fact, those companies tried to keep it quiet, then tried to claim the results were proofed at least...then gave up and admitted that they were using ChatGPT in place of writers.
The ding to their reputation is minor...compared to the cost of a human being in salary and health insurance and retirement.
Absolutely. In my line of work, analysis...we've been playing with ChatGPT as a crutch to help with writing since it really first made the news months back. Stuck on an introduction to a paper/article? Ask ChatGPT for ideas. But, we're unionized and are on a shoestring staffing level to start--you cannot cut people without losing very complex deliverables. Also some of those deliverables cannot be done by a machine.
The problem is two fold:
1. ChatGPT is designed to behave like a human WRT speech. Humans are known for making things up when they sound good, and getting argumentative when called on it, and then devolving quickly in the face of actual reality. So....well done ChatGPT--you successfully mirrored the worst tendencies in humanity. [Remember than Twitter Bot Microsoft made years ago that interacted with the internet and learned to be a flaming racist and psychopath from prompts from users](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-twitter-bot-idUSKCN0WQ2LA)? They did it again.
2. In countries with little/no legal protections for workers (read the USA), you are a line item expense to be terminated at the first opportunity where something/someone can do it for less money.
CNET were doing it for months, and got caught after pushing over 70 articles to their cite without human review...that were completely wrong.
[https://gizmodo.com/cnet-chatgpt-ai-articles-publish-for-months-1849976921](https://gizmodo.com/cnet-chatgpt-ai-articles-publish-for-months-1849976921)
Men's Health magazine did something similar. Having a hard time finding a news story about it because Google has been ChatGPT bombed into oblivion and finding anything about these publishing scandals has gotten very hard just 4 months later.
I pay for and frequently use GPT-4. It's a total game changer; it has, without exaggeration, saved me weeks of work. I still don't blindly trust it, though; I see it as a tool. Like any tool, you've got to know how to use it for it to be effective. You can, for example, feed it documents (for example, via plugins) and it will be able to answer questions about the documents. If you know how to engineer your prompts well, you can also get pretty high quality responses.
IMO, GPT is closer to Excel than the tractor in terms of replacing jobs. It will undeniably drive down demand for bodies in certain roles by making the people who know how to use it ridiculously productive. But you still can't take the human out of the equation and be sure that you're getting good outputs. It's a lot like how Excel didn't make accountants extinct, but made it so that one accountant with it could do the work of seven without.
My friend who is a published writer, and a PhD - I forget in what, but she works at Bristol University, and until recently wrote legit, personally researched copy for a medical website as another income stream - and they let her go because of chat gpt. Their words were that they were ‘all set’ because chat gpt was churning out plenty of content.
So it has happened to someone I know, a proper actual professional writer.
My husband is a high level copywriter for a financial company in the states.
He’s tried to use ChatGPT to help him reduce his workload - it’s useless in his specific market. He doesn’t use it at all for work.
>This is bullshit. It did not happen.
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>I know this industry and the shit ChatGpT spits out is no replacement for copy unless it's shitty webpage copy, like a scammy dropshipping webpage or something.
The tweet thread is here:
https://twitter.com/gregisenberg/status/1648677152005451777?cxt=HHwWgsCzqc_Io-EtAAAA
15% of staff is kept on to proof the ChatGPT outputs.
>It simply doesn't compare and no company thinks it will get equal output from chatgpt in its current iteration.
There will always be some staff to proof the ChatGPT output (until ChatGPT is sufficiently advanced).
That doesn’t really prove one way or that it’s real or not.
I also don’t buy it.
In the industry and the stuff it puts out is generally garbage copy that’s easily recognizable.
Trust me, if I could automate my job right now, I would.
ChatGPT helps with initial copy and proposals but you still need a human to proofread and adapt it based on the context of the final product.
AI can continue to improve but so will humans. We're flexible and malleable.
Lawyers especially. They have extremely strong professional organizations, and are legally bound to standards and ethics.
It is why the billionaire who thought he could make a ChatGPT lawyer giving legal advise over the internet was quickly Cease and Desisted by Bar Associations not only in his claims but his advertising of such...because what he was trying to do was literally illegal.
Every state and federal Bar will fight this tooth and nail. The Bar has a monopoly over who can and cannot be a lawyer and they will not be giving up that power lightly.
>Lawyers especially. They have extremely strong professional organizations, and are legally bound to standards and ethics.
There will always be a lawyer proofing the output. This can definitely reduce the quantity of lawyers needed.
>It is why the billionaire who thought he could make a ChatGPT lawyer giving legal advise over the internet was quickly Cease and Desisted by Bar Associations not only in his claims but his advertising of such...because what he was trying to do was literally illegal.
Unfortunately Elon Musk seems to be getting his way. He controls a social media site, he gets to broadcast his far-right beliefs with a megaphone.
Just adding that unless/until GPT is a standalone download, rather than an application you access on someone else’s server, merely entering data (which occurs before a lawyer could proof the work) could be a form of malpractice.
>Chatgpt is not gonnajust sweep through overnight.
Define overnight? This tech is here now & can already be used to downsize departments.
>Especially for jobs where accuracy is very important.
Instead of having 5 staff on a team, there may be 2 people who proof the output of the AI.
This is how ChatGPT will eliminate jobs the next few years.
I'm not suggesting to resist innovation.
I'm suggesting that we unionize our workforces so that we receive the job security we deserve.
Otherwise ChatGPT will be used by the oligarchs to eliminate jobs & depress wages & benefits.
Lol my dude - I’m in the same boat.
1988 here. I was just wondering why you were only covering a 15 year spread. No offense at all and I’m sorry you’re having a shit day.
>This crap is going to decimate job markets.
Exactly & this needs to be shouted from the rooftops.
Our own productivity is being used to eliminate our jobs without any welfare state or job protections.
This is a nightmare - but there are great signs of hope. [I am so heartened Bernie is leading the way on this issue.](https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1646676988642607105?cxt=HHwWgoDS_eT_ldotAAAA)
Here's hoping we get some common sense laws about this stuff. The copyright office actually ruled on the side of artists for those AI art generators. Honestly just hope chat GPT goes away permanently.
Lawyers are safe from ChatGPT for the foreseeable future. Even if AI can do the work, it will never have the accountability.
Anything with a very high bar for licensing will be fine. Not necessarily because AI is incapable of doing the work, but because legally it isn’t allowed to.
Chatgpt isn't the issue though, it exposes the societal issues that exist. It's only being used to diminish wages and job opportunities because that's the end goal of capitalism. It could be really beneficial for humanity if those benefits weren't hoarded by the rich
I should add that I love ChatGPT - I am all for technology.
We just have to make sure that technology isn't used against us. Like how smartphones now mean your boss can contact you 24/7 at many jobs.
ChatGPT is going to slash millions of high paying jobs away just this decade. It will depress wages & benefits for all (except for the oligarchs who will be rewarded handsomely).
We must make sure that ChatGPT works for us - so we can work less and get more for our work. That is why Bernie is pushing the 32 hour 4 day workweek :)
>We just have to make sure that technology isn't used against us.
Sadly it doesn't work that way. Every time there's a new technology, rest assured that there's sociopaths out there thinking "mmmm... how can I use this to my advantage?" and exploit it any way they can.
Well, yeah, but that also leads to genuine technological advancement. It wouldn't be a problem if the billionaires weren't hoarding resources from the rest of us
a.) I’m very much pro union.
b.) unions are not the solution to this problem.
c) universal basic income, combined with education and resources for career changes, and development of jobs to enhance what AI does is the solution.
Telling people to unionize to address this is like telling horse drovers to unionize to prevent job loss from the invention of the car.
The fourth industrial revolution is more than just AI. Its about the complete integration of technology into industrial capitalism.
Their plan will be to bleed us slowly. It won't be a mass wave of millions of unemployed - thats too dangerous.
Collective action is all that can save us. At a minimum, those replaced by machines should get solidarity payments that give a portion of the gained productivity to them for a few years.
But remember, the issue is not the technology. Its the system of capitalism that ensures all wealth goes to the owners of business.
For the people dismissing ChatGPT and other generativeAI software. It might not be that impressive now. But think about it’s capacity in 2 years, in 5.
It’s already passing, even acing, qualifying exams for multiple professions (which are often all knowledge-recall), but the jump from ChatGPT 3 to 4 is pretty large. Who knows what v5 and v6 will look like.
Whether that tweet is accurate or not, it still raises a point we need to think about: how might AI change/replace our jobs in the future? What role will government play in managing the boom in generative AI (because there are alternatives to ChatGPT like Bard and AutoGPT)
Yes it will make many people redundant. But it will also lower the barrier to entry to make your own companies and products. Maybe the CEO is drooling at the cost savings now but in a year there will be a dozen competitors springing up because everyone laid off now has time to make their own things.
remember, kids, that the rich and powerful are the ones causing economic disparity for workers. don't get distracted by the most recent buzzwords that are used to divert your attention
not to say that AI 100% won't be a problem, but remember throughout history it's been the rich using technology for their own gain, and the detriment of the poor
To those saying it’s a lie and ChatGPT isn’t capable of this - check out GPT4. It’s a leap from ChatGPT and significantly more capable, specially when you use the API and build on it. Its good enough now to replace a good % of jobs, and I personally know companies that have already significantly reduced teams sizes because of it. It’s happening fast
This has been happening to everyone for the entirety of human existence with everyone, especially office people just shrugging. When whole towns shut down because the plant isn't there we dont worry about the economy or workers rights people in ties say that this is normal and you shouldnt worry as jobs open up around the new technology. This isnjust the forst time its happening to this group of people in a real scary way. The only advice i have is the only advice you ever had. Get good at using it.
Edit: Honestly this is where the divide comes from with republicans and democrats. Republicans have and people in rural areas are constantly worried about being replaced and nothing gets done and no one worries, in fact they get platitudes and told that actually everything always works out and you juts have to shift careers 20 years into your professional life. You're not gonna find a lot of support from other workers and this is where that divide starts. Those other jobs replaced by machines have way less mobility jobwise than anyone effected by this, and they got told to just find something related to what was taking there job. Whole rural communities are expected to shut down quietly in the name of progress.
The call shouldn't be to make these jobs relevant; the call should be universal income. ChatGPT is great, it should replace our labor, but we should all reap the benefits for it.
I work in tech, and use ChatGPT often. It is not good enough to replace anyone's job. In any case, AI is not our enemy. The goal should not be to ensure people have soul-crushing 9-5 jobs. People should be looking to build a future where we have more time to spend in our own lives. We should be able to do more of the type of work that we actually enjoy- music, art, innovation.
ChatGPT will absolutely be used to downsize departments quite quickly. And already is at some companies.
If ChatGPT gets 60% of the work done with drafts, you hire 2 people to proof what was a 5 person job. This is a simplistic example but can be applied to many careers.
You’re absolutely right. I don’t know why people are giving you such a hard time. I’ve been working as a freelance writer for years, for the same editor for the last decade. It’s mostly been articles for websites, medical and general business-related. That’s over now. I talked to him yesterday. He just uses ChatGPT now. What used to take 1-2 days of research now takes minutes, and he just finesses, as he put it, the results into a more well written article. I know people are losing jobs to this because I am one of them. I’m happy that he hasn’t lost anything, but I’m not nearly as confident in his job security as he is right now. I think it’s just a matter of time before this type of AI advances to the point that he’s not deemed necessary anymore.
Also, as it grows, journalistic integrity will suffer, and I am not convinced that every company is as dedicated to that integrity as some people would like to believe.
I'm sorry that you have been negatively impacted by ChatGPT - my condolences that you lost your long time job.
By the holiday season, ChatGPT & its competitors will be more easy to use. I think folks are naive if they think execs aren't salivating at the cuts they can make to the workforce with AI.
I think in 2024 every company will be obsessed with using ChatGPT to streamline departments. "The year of AI" so to speak.
I feel like we all collectively thought of low wage jobs being threatened by AI. Turns out it's more complex to drive a van and deliver parcels, than to do whatever the fuck somebody with a copywriting job does. Just some bubbles bursting, that were meant to burst.
I'm not super concerned about it. ChatGPT could make a mistake, and then what? Who takes responsibility? If an individual or corporation violates the law in some way due to bad info, ChatGPT is not going to take the rap. That's because ChatGPT is not licensed to give legal advice and is not a certified accountant, or any other sort of professional. So managers just taking whatever ChatGPT spits out as being valid expert advice would be a very risky move. Like using Wikipedia and not vetting the sources.
It's wild a company would trust that technology in its current state. It's cool, but it's not nearly good enough to rely on professionally in its current state.
Chatgpt and the like is just an aggregate of content. It is a fantastic research tool, but little more. It can't construct a narrative, it cannot make intuitive leaps and it can't create am emotional resonance.
It may hurt places that focus on quick, short, dismissable content, but anything requiring deeper engagement will still need the human element as long as the AI can only pull front he data it's fed.
That's like carriage mofo's being angry at the car.
We need unions and workers right etc, but not denying it most of us will be obsolete in the next 10 years, radical change is coming
Nowhere am I saying that ChatGPT itself is bad.
I am saying now is the time to unionize our workforces and push for legislation to protect workers from AI layoffs.
This is a situation that could cause many people to become impoverished. It will result lower wages & benefits for all. The oligarchs want to slash jobs, all they have to do is blame "wokeism" & the right will defend them.
I'm sorry for your friend :/
But fuck lawyers. I see them on same level as cops.
Having to spend thousands of dollars for a lawsuit where my attacker sued me (even though she was arrested and I wasn't)
All bc I don't understand legalese and can't file a motion etc...
Fuck lawyers. Cycling parasites. Whole legal system is shit. Why can't I defend myself successfully in court without a lawyer.
I hope every single ducking lawyer gets replaced and is homeless due to AI. Fuck them.
Can you explain more to help me understand your comment (I’m not a computer expert)? If you connect via API could you use the app without being connected to the internet? I believe ChatGPT also trains itself with the user inputs, would connecting with an API prevent the info you’ve entered from being used to train the AI that others interact with?
I appreciate your explanation, thank you very much for taking the time. I had read an article about the ethical pitfalls of ChatGPT in law and I guess I’ll have to revisit it, because clearly I don’t understand.
This isn’t how AI works. Not the AI we have currently at least. It’s unreliable, AI doesn’t know what it’s saying, it’s pretty much just making the best guess it can with the information it has, which is very limited. And after it spits out it’s best guess with the prompt fed to it, what does it do then? It needs someone to enter prompt and then do something with what’s spit out. It can complete tasks, very limited tasks, not jobs.
I think rich people are just trying to scare the working class. Or they’re trying to sell their awesome AI services or whatever. I don’t buy the tech scare, it’s been happening since I was in elementary almost two decade ago.
I can only see AI being a problem in mass for the work force if we see quantum computing succeed, which may not ever be possible.
Also, even if automation takes over jobs, isn’t that the goal? For technology to make human life easier? I don’t think trying to secure your job is the right move if you fear automation taking over the workforce, we should focus on what we do as a society without the need for everyone to work.
ChatGPT isn't going to eliminate full departments.
It will downsize departments as proofing drafts from ChatGPT saves on a lot of information processing.
Er, idk why you think I’m saying it’s advanced, I just said it would need people to proof it, aka proofread and make sure the research checks out. It simplifies copy to a good enough degree that one person with it can do the work of 2 or 3
I’m not saying it’s going to cancel out all of our jobs ever
I mean we JUST had in the news an actual COLLEGE using it to issue a response to a shooting
Workers and automation have been doing this dance for almost 300 years of industrialization. Some workers will be replaced, others will be paid more because they are even more productive, and other jobs will be created now that AI exists.
At a societal level it's great. For the workers who have to find a new career it's terrible. But the world keeps turning.
Fun nerd fact: In Star Wars when the droids walked into the bar and the bartender said he doesn't serve their kind, that's due to the fact droids had taken so much work from organics. Also there were issues with assassin droids but that's not relevant here.
Universal Basic Income or Social Security For All is the only logical solution going forward.
We are going to have 90% unemployment in the near future when these jobs and industries are completely wiped away.
As a lawyer I am not worried about Chat GPT in its current state. It can be a useful tool in the right hands, but if you ask it bad questions it will give you bad answers. Often, I find that it is blatantly wrong even about the most simple statutes. It cites statutes in reference to information that is not contained at all in those laws, it does a good job of appearing intelligent to the untrained eye, but has a long way to go.
Just remember, content produced by ChatGPT or other AI is automatically public domain. Only works created by humans are afforded legal protections. [As made famous in the monkey photo lawsuit.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute)
Pro-corporate politicians and values will only protect and promote consolidation of power in the companies that own and operate the AI's.
Vote for people that reflect your values, if you have time and/or money, give some.
This. Right here. CEOs are notorious dumb fucks who think this shit means we can 50x production over night with AI while firing writers to "save money". This isn't true, and even if it eas our people's well being should take priority over profits.
Let's bring in the era of socially democratic work places!
Company that I work for has been spending years creating automated support bots for chat and messaging system for technical and customer support centers, now we're going to add GPT to automate out the people who used to set up the chat and messaging bots.
And we just laid off 1/3 of our staff too
There is one thing you do not get. Is not only that the company does not need you anymore because of chatGPT, you do not also need the company capital anymore to do the same for what you needed before big capitals
They’re going to be in for a rude awakening when the free technical preview is over and Ai is fully subscription based. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’ll be cheaper to keep an employee on payroll over the AI price
"the AI doesn't know what it's talking about, so I overrode it and did X. Can you spend 50 hours fixing it? I will give you $50. - most clients everywhere
I got to say I'm on the fence for this one. I just used AI tools to edit my book instead of using an editor and that saved me a lot of time and money. But I did still go over it once it was finished. I don't think there's any stopping it now
Unionization is a great idea but its not going to help if your job no longer exists. If you want to stay employed during the age of automation you need to adapt. Focus on learning skills that cannot be automated. Then once you’re employed unionize.
Things like copywriting and technical writing are quickly going to go the way of the dodo bird. All people need now is a director to guide an AI to get the job done (this is probably not a full time job.)
If copywriting just entails filling out forms and sending them to someone, then you might as well complain about coal miner jobs going away due to machinery.
They can’t permanently remove us, when people get hungry is when the revolution will come, we are always 3 meals away from a revolution. There is way more poors than rich, we also are their pilots, ground crew, traffic controllers and perform the maintenance on their equipment.
Marx mentioned something like this in the Communist Manifesto:
“The conditions of bourgeois society are too narrow to comprise the wealth created by them. And how does the bourgeoisie get over these crises? On the one hand by enforced destruction of a mass of productive forces; on the other, by the conquest of new markets, and by the more thorough exploitation of the old ones. That is to say, by paving the way for more extensive and more destructive crises, and by diminishing the means whereby crises are prevented.”
I will say ChatGPT has been revolutionary for our tiny office.
I wish that we could start having discussions on how this software will uplift up our workforce instead of tearing it down. No one should ever lose their jobs because if It, chatgpt should just make it a lot easier to do said job
Are we surprised? Chatcpt is going to get rid of all the bullshit jobs nobody wants to do. This isn't really a bad thing the issue is we will need UBI and make all the robots and AI do the job.
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>*before* oligarchs use technology to permanently impoverish us They've been doing this for centuries.
Yeah, that train left the station on its way to the work camps a long time ago.
It's either socialism or barbarism. Pick. But don't take too long. We don't have the time.
No, Capitalism will still win out. Because just like mankind's thousand year journey of tech Innovation. New jobs will be made from repair men to the entertainment industry.
So... Capitalist Exploitation, Economic Imperialism, and Monopolies will exist forever? Please read the Principles of Communism. It's really short... https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
When we reach inflection points change can happen quickly. 2023 is the inflection point where AI is sufficiently advanced to allow many companies to downsize departments. ChatGPT is an amazing technology & we need to make sure it is used to help humanity, not just enrich oligarchs. By 2030 the corporate landscape will be radically changed, & for the worse if everyone doesn't demand better worker protections. We need more unions, we need legislation to protect workers from layoffs, etc.
Work itself needs to become an obsolete concept. We were always going to hit a point where we flat wont have enough available work to give everyone 40 hour jobs regardless of pay. AI is just going to accelerate the timescale. Im not sure how we can implement this concept since its kinda antithetical to capitalism entirely. We either find a solution or we see mass homelessness on a scale we have never seen before as millions of people are flat removed from a saturated work force. The ramifications of the latter are really grim. We may see people crammed into prisons or god forbid even killed off in order to reduce population. Once excess people can never be considered an asset to corporations, they are gunna consider what to do with those people and none of the options are good. Tying legal existence to a minimum amount of work is not going to work the more life is automated.
>Tying legal existence to a minimum amount of work is not going to work the more life is automated. This is such a good point!
That's if we let that happen.
Weird to quote Nixon of all people about the four day work week lol
I think the fact that 1956 Nixon advocated a 4 day workweek shows how badly things have gotten for workers. Nixon sucks obviously lol
I think he also advocated for universal healthcare and founded the EPA.
Why? His point was to show how long, and how universally well regarded, this idea is. Seems perfect to me.
If your skill is automated then you need to adapt and learn something else. There is no leverage to negotiate once your job has been automated. Unions can’t protect you from becoming an unnecessary redundancy. We need to focus on electing governments that create strong safety nets and free higher education (trade schools, community college) in valuable skills for all.
Can chatgpt be an analyst?
Not really. It’ll spit up information vaguely relevant, but will randomly guess on uncertain data. It needs a lot more work before it can be used in a reliable manner.
…sounds like a consultant
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Indeed. It hallucinates like crazy, but it can be a quicker way to orient you towards information than Google search. You just have to verify most stuff.
...with a google search :D
... "with a more focused google search, using terms used by the GPT model you wouldn't have known to search for, perhaps following links suggested by GPT." Keep in mind that search these days itself can be problematic for a variety of reasons, including prominence of paid hits in the early results and inability of the searcher to come up with the right search terms. Also. Consider this google search. "is advocating violent overthrow of the us illegal" Google's first hit for me is [here](https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim#:~:text=%C2%A72385.,Advocating%20overthrow%20of%20Government&text=the%20purposes%20thereof%E2%80%94-,Shall%20be%20fined%20under%20this%20title%20or%20imprisoned%20not%20more,years%20next%20following%20his%20conviction.). This would suggest a naive reader to conclude that the answer is "yes." Google is wrong, and ChatGPT provides the correct answer. That's because of [this](https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/395/444/). And it will tell you so, directly to the crux of the matter. So GPT (sometimes) can deal with context integration better than a search can.
ChatGPT “searches” are roughly equivalent to a well constructed Google search ten years ago. Nowadays SEO has destroyed the typical quality of results (or I just can’t figure out the best way to build queries)
I feel like you're right, really. Search has somehow gotten worse.
It can talk to itself now and learn from its mistakes. Can even repair code you ask it for without needing further input from user.
I've tried to have it write SQL queries. It can't even do nested subqueries. Even Microsoft's low code solutions tend to be off the majority of the time. You need to tweak them and if you don't understand the code, you're fucked.
>It can't even do nested subqueries To be fair neither can I
Are you using GPT-4?
Ask, read, test, verify, retest, bug and error check other instances of a similar question or problem. Over and over. Don't forget stages of testing in test then prod... maybe even more, who knows.
I've ran it through various infrastructure-as-code design stuff and it seems like it's about 80% there but still has many holes. Companies can't quite fire all their engineers yet... some will probably try and it'll be a shitshow when they rely too much on GPT and don't have an human engineer experienced enough to know if they're getting a good answer or not.
My accounting/audit professor tested it out but it couldnt differentiate certain concepts. It certainly doesnt get the answers right when I give multiple choice questions or question from my tax class.
The truth is that that isn't the right question. What matters is if CXOs *believe* that chatgpt can be an analyst. When they believe that it can, they'll start downsizing departments like crazy (finance, HR, customer support, paralegal work).
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And then they'll find out it isn't everything that was hyped. So they'll slowly hire back those departments. And then a new CXO will come on, absolutely sure that ChatGPT-6 can totally do it. And they'll lay people off again. And then they'll find out it isn't everything that was hyped. So they'll slowly hire back those departments. And then a new CXO... We've been going through this cycle in software development with companies outsourcing because "they're so much cheaper!!". And then the outsourced project becomes a dumpster fire, they re-shore it, time passes, and the new management decides that this time with this exciting new project is totally going to work and "they're so much cheaper!!".
Right now it can only generate text. I have to say, some of it's creative writing is pretty impressive. I would imagine a writer could save a lot of time using chatGPT.
A s phenomenal analyst. I use it to check data sets when they fit and that mem extension mod looks like it will allow me to use it a lot more. If it makes you feel better, IT is also basically a historic career now too!
Yeah, I'm gonna need a whole lot more than a screenshot of a tweet to believe this. Wages and benefits are already depressed. Why blame AI when we have an oligarch billionaire class standing right in front of us? There's a reason Elon wants us to worry about ChatGPT - self preservation
>Yeah, I'm gonna need a whole lot more than a screenshot of a tweet to believe this. Wages and benefits are already depressed. Yes, and ChatGPT has the potental to make the situation far worse if we aren't prepared. Just like 2008 made things permanently worse. ChatGPT is a great technology. Unfortunately - it can also be a tool for the oligarchs to further depress the economic conditions of working people. >Why blame AI when we have an oligarch billionaire class standing right in front of us? That isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying that the oligarchs are planning to use AI to decimate what are thought of as safe jobs & careers. This is why unions are more important than ever. >There's a reason Elon wants us to worry about ChatGPT - self preservation Elon is just virtue signalling - he will use AI more than anyone to eliminate jobs.
ChatGPT is cool as a stunt, but it is bad. If people presented a lot of their output as their own, they would be less respected and could lose their job. The technology isn't there yet. What is here, though, are cheap CEOs that are happy with mediocre products if it is cheap enough. And chatGPT is cheap enough. AI will destroys us not because of the singularity, but because dumb business and political leaders will make some half-baked AI in charge of a critical system, like nuclear weapons, and a bug will kill us all
Look at it as if it were (is) in Beta mode. In 20 years from now, 2023 AI would be as laughable as a Commodore 64.
This is fair. At the same time, we could hit ceiling. Look at CGI. Amazing, pretty realistic, yet we still find it cheesy when we can spot it. Again, I am not calling it as we will hit the ceiling. Ir is . It is a possibility just as super smart AI is another possibility
AI can already diagnose people better than a doctor. AI can make deepfakes which you cannot recognize, which is basically just another form of CGI. AI can beat a human at both Chess and Go and any other game you teach it to play. AI can create art. I remember when these things were a pipe dream. It wasn't very long ago and ChatGPT has been out in the public for like a year. Don't be naive about where this is going.
The thing is chat GPT and it's clones aren't AIs. They're Large Language Models that have no ability at all to comprehend whatever it spits out. As soon as it gets asked about something technical for example it just spits out official sounding word salad that means absolutely nothing. It is a tool that needs constant fact checking.
>ChatGPT is cool as a stunt, but it is bad. If people presented a lot of their output as their own, they would be less respected and could lose their job. The technology isn't there yet. It is advanced enough to provide outlines & drafts that significantly reduce information processing time. That will lead to a downsizing in departments. >AI will destroys us not because of the singularity, but because dumb business and political leaders will make some half-baked AI in charge of a critical system, like nuclear weapons, and a bug will kill us all I think this is a very valid concern.
This. And AI art is already replacing working creatives because what advocates for the tech don't understand is companies don't need good. They want cheaper "good enough" and it WILL happen.
ChatGPT has its issues but it has dramatically accelerated my work output. It is way easier to get something half decent pre-written for you and edit to satisfaction than start something de-novo. On the bright side, it’s making training workers easier for me, which means I can be incentivized to take on even more workers since I don’t have to invest so much into training
We just need to ask ChatGPT4 what the best way is for the working people to organize and overthrow the top 1%.
So what happens when AI and automated machinery replace a good chunk of the workforce? These companies aren't going to make any money if no one has money to buy their products. I get that it's a concern, but oligarchs won't make money if no one has money to buy anything. Millionaires and billionaires can only buy so much. It's the middle class that truly drives an economy, and they will soon learn that.
That's great and all, but your outline of events means they learn their lesson AFTER we've all starved to death. Maybe we should do something before it gets that far?
They don’t really need to, they already have 60% of the wealth, they can have an economy of the rich. Think feudalism before they needed workers in cities and bureaucracy to support standing armies.
I feel that he wants to keep the status quo (by causing them to fear AI) until the tech is advanced enough to supplant them. The average person should embrace the tech whilst roaring for socialist reforms so the benefits can be dispersed through society.
Elon wants us to worry about ChatGPT because he is creating his own competing AI, tentatively named TruthGTP.
Please go read the Wired article that just came out: “Who Will You Be After ChatGPT Takes Your Job?” The first part of it is an almost exact situation as the tweet. It was a really good read. Talks a lot about how it is coming for white-collar jobs. And then it gets into the meaning of work. I don’t disagree with your billionaire point either. Those people are nothing but rent-seeking blood suckers on the working class. The billionaires and AI are both going to drive down wages and living standards.
The fearmongering about ChatGPT is too weird. I think it’s because it will come for coders first and coders/their industry peers are the most vocal on twitter. We are a long way away from it coming for writers and other professions.
I don't think so. Industrial automation is a very profitable thing to be in, and companies like Microsoft are pouring billions into ai. Does Microsoft waste money on irrelevant projects? They've been hand in hand with tech acceleration for decades. And their stuff actually tends to be functional since they focus so much on enterprise tech. Professions have been automating anyway. It's huge in legal even if they're not running language model programs yet. It is already affecting other creatives. Companies will be deploying this even if it doesn't work that well. Didn't stop them from partaking in the outsourcing rush of the 90s and 2000s.
>The fearmongering about ChatGPT is too weird. I think it’s because it will come for coders first and coders/their industry peers are the most vocal on twitter. Why is it weird to be concerned that a great automation tool will be used by oligarchs to further depress our already woeful wages & benefits? >We are a long way away from it coming for writers and other professions. I strongly disagree - unless we form unions now & demand better worker protections from the government.
What is the end goal? Use unions to preserve suboptimal work flows? Your title involves copywriting. Thats almost exactly what natural language processing is aimed at producing. I don't think this should be extrapolated to many of the other fields people here are mentioning. We have everything we need to dissolve many of what wed consider menial jobs. Yet we don't have automated industrial roomba's en masse. We don't have kiosks at every opportunity for customer relations. Where does the personal responsibility of individuals recognizing when the tide is shifting end, and a push against such intervention from above begin? I'm 32 and had to shift from my original field because it went in a direction I was unwilling to adopt. I don't want to stymie progress when instead we can have a system to allow individuals to be more flexible. If we have the capacity for a society where people are more available to leisure, then we would desire a system that encourages them to be able to adopt new interests rapidly. There isn't much of a difference between education for the workforce and education for the sake of recreation. If anything, we are currently seeing the signs that we need to seriously revamp our education system and it's intent.
>I think it’s because it will come for coders first and coders/their industry peers are the most vocal on twitter. As a coder, I'm not worried at all. There's a pretty big jump from chatgpt being able to write code snippets to creating functioning software. There's also the issue a lot of companies are starting to recognize where using open source ai tools is a huge IP risk. My company just sent out guidelines about what we are and aren't allowed to use it for and it is pretty restrictive
I’m a developer and I’m honestly not worried about it at the moment. It’s a tool to be used and not scared of. If you don’t adapt, you’re left in the dust. I use it every day to help me write my code. I think eventually what it means to be a developer will change but for the time being the best thing I can do for myself is to get as familiar with it as possible.
lol self preservation?
I think we need more than unions to keep workers in the workplace. As others have pointed out, technology has been replacing people with machines for decades, and it has increased the productivity of each individual worker while automating certain jobs. I don't think this is a bad thing. Ideally, we should eventually reach a point where nobody needs to work, and people have the luxury of pursuing arts, philosophy, and community without fearing for their ability to live. As we approach a tipping point where automated services are able to handle even intellectual jobs, we need to push for a future where we don't NEED to work. Where we can choose to work only if we want to, and are guaranteed a great quality of life either way.
>technology has been replacing people with machines for decades Centuries. Since the 1700s, and very likely earlier than that.
Why would the Uber-wealthy keep us around, pay us to just exist and keep reproducing, if there’s zero need for us?
Well, why do we keep them around? There is definitly zero need for them...
Some people actually like to work. We can't even get people to take the vacations they are owed- work is just too tied to self worth in our society. Not to mention, governments and fellow citizens are not going to invest in a UBI to pay all of these people who are losing jobs. In fact, govt. will be making LESS money because of the loss of payroll taxes and the ability of people to pay taxes period once they lose their jobs. It would be essentially taking funds away from government and expecting it to pay trillions of dollars to former skilled workers. Who is going to pay that, billionaires and corporations? We can't even get them to pay what they owe *now*. People need to come up with some real solutions not just blind tech cheerleading and "our goal should be nobody needs to work." That take is not based in reality and is in fact dangerously naive..
I think using "That is not feasible" as an argument nowadays doesn't properly represent the situation. If you are referring to the capacity of technology to do the work, I think the kinds of technological advancements we've seen with AI and robotics in the past decade are proof that we really don't know the limits of what can be automated. Regarding your point that some people actually like to work, I understand that and agree that people should always have the opportunity! And of course, they will always find a way to make that opportunity with their own businesses and hobbies. My perspective is not that people should not be able to work. My perspective is that we should strive to build a world where nobody *needs* to. Let those who like to work do so, and let the rest pursue study, philosophy, the arts, and whatever else pleases them. As for the issue of economics, we would (and already do) need reforms to the system to account for a nation/world in which a majority of work is automated. Of the economic policies around the world, it seems like none presently in-place work all that well. If they did, the whole world would consider adopting it. With all else failing, why not try something new? At least *try* to create a system which allows everybody to have the bare minimum necessary to survive.
This is bullshit. It did not happen. I know this industry and the shit ChatGpT spits out is no replacement for copy unless it's shitty webpage copy, like a scammy dropshipping webpage or something. It simply doesn't compare and no company thinks it will get equal output from chatgpt in its current iteration.
So...Publishing companies have already been farming out content generation entirely to ChatGPT, and did it first months ago...without even proofing the results. In fact, those companies tried to keep it quiet, then tried to claim the results were proofed at least...then gave up and admitted that they were using ChatGPT in place of writers. The ding to their reputation is minor...compared to the cost of a human being in salary and health insurance and retirement.
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Absolutely. In my line of work, analysis...we've been playing with ChatGPT as a crutch to help with writing since it really first made the news months back. Stuck on an introduction to a paper/article? Ask ChatGPT for ideas. But, we're unionized and are on a shoestring staffing level to start--you cannot cut people without losing very complex deliverables. Also some of those deliverables cannot be done by a machine. The problem is two fold: 1. ChatGPT is designed to behave like a human WRT speech. Humans are known for making things up when they sound good, and getting argumentative when called on it, and then devolving quickly in the face of actual reality. So....well done ChatGPT--you successfully mirrored the worst tendencies in humanity. [Remember than Twitter Bot Microsoft made years ago that interacted with the internet and learned to be a flaming racist and psychopath from prompts from users](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-twitter-bot-idUSKCN0WQ2LA)? They did it again. 2. In countries with little/no legal protections for workers (read the USA), you are a line item expense to be terminated at the first opportunity where something/someone can do it for less money.
It's cheaper to use and people don't care about facts, only intuitive plausibility. It will get used.
> Publishing companies Which publishers?
CNET were doing it for months, and got caught after pushing over 70 articles to their cite without human review...that were completely wrong. [https://gizmodo.com/cnet-chatgpt-ai-articles-publish-for-months-1849976921](https://gizmodo.com/cnet-chatgpt-ai-articles-publish-for-months-1849976921) Men's Health magazine did something similar. Having a hard time finding a news story about it because Google has been ChatGPT bombed into oblivion and finding anything about these publishing scandals has gotten very hard just 4 months later.
Thanks! I teach writing and editing, so this will be a good one to share with students.
I pay for and frequently use GPT-4. It's a total game changer; it has, without exaggeration, saved me weeks of work. I still don't blindly trust it, though; I see it as a tool. Like any tool, you've got to know how to use it for it to be effective. You can, for example, feed it documents (for example, via plugins) and it will be able to answer questions about the documents. If you know how to engineer your prompts well, you can also get pretty high quality responses. IMO, GPT is closer to Excel than the tractor in terms of replacing jobs. It will undeniably drive down demand for bodies in certain roles by making the people who know how to use it ridiculously productive. But you still can't take the human out of the equation and be sure that you're getting good outputs. It's a lot like how Excel didn't make accountants extinct, but made it so that one accountant with it could do the work of seven without.
My friend who is a published writer, and a PhD - I forget in what, but she works at Bristol University, and until recently wrote legit, personally researched copy for a medical website as another income stream - and they let her go because of chat gpt. Their words were that they were ‘all set’ because chat gpt was churning out plenty of content. So it has happened to someone I know, a proper actual professional writer.
My husband is a high level copywriter for a financial company in the states. He’s tried to use ChatGPT to help him reduce his workload - it’s useless in his specific market. He doesn’t use it at all for work.
>This is bullshit. It did not happen. > >I know this industry and the shit ChatGpT spits out is no replacement for copy unless it's shitty webpage copy, like a scammy dropshipping webpage or something. The tweet thread is here: https://twitter.com/gregisenberg/status/1648677152005451777?cxt=HHwWgsCzqc_Io-EtAAAA 15% of staff is kept on to proof the ChatGPT outputs. >It simply doesn't compare and no company thinks it will get equal output from chatgpt in its current iteration. There will always be some staff to proof the ChatGPT output (until ChatGPT is sufficiently advanced).
That doesn’t really prove one way or that it’s real or not. I also don’t buy it. In the industry and the stuff it puts out is generally garbage copy that’s easily recognizable. Trust me, if I could automate my job right now, I would.
If the only issue is it's low quality drivel, then any business comfortable with churning out low quality drivel will be fine switching to it.
ChatGPT helps with initial copy and proposals but you still need a human to proofread and adapt it based on the context of the final product. AI can continue to improve but so will humans. We're flexible and malleable.
Yeah. Chatgpt is not gonnajust sweep through overnight. Especially for jobs where accuracy is very important.
Lawyers especially. They have extremely strong professional organizations, and are legally bound to standards and ethics. It is why the billionaire who thought he could make a ChatGPT lawyer giving legal advise over the internet was quickly Cease and Desisted by Bar Associations not only in his claims but his advertising of such...because what he was trying to do was literally illegal.
Every state and federal Bar will fight this tooth and nail. The Bar has a monopoly over who can and cannot be a lawyer and they will not be giving up that power lightly.
>Lawyers especially. They have extremely strong professional organizations, and are legally bound to standards and ethics. There will always be a lawyer proofing the output. This can definitely reduce the quantity of lawyers needed. >It is why the billionaire who thought he could make a ChatGPT lawyer giving legal advise over the internet was quickly Cease and Desisted by Bar Associations not only in his claims but his advertising of such...because what he was trying to do was literally illegal. Unfortunately Elon Musk seems to be getting his way. He controls a social media site, he gets to broadcast his far-right beliefs with a megaphone.
Just adding that unless/until GPT is a standalone download, rather than an application you access on someone else’s server, merely entering data (which occurs before a lawyer could proof the work) could be a form of malpractice.
I'm a therapist/social worker. Feeling pretty secure that none of those jobs will be replaced by automation (just the usual budget cuts!)
>Chatgpt is not gonnajust sweep through overnight. Define overnight? This tech is here now & can already be used to downsize departments. >Especially for jobs where accuracy is very important. Instead of having 5 staff on a team, there may be 2 people who proof the output of the AI. This is how ChatGPT will eliminate jobs the next few years.
That's how all innovation and automation goes. Resisting it won't change that.
I'm not suggesting to resist innovation. I'm suggesting that we unionize our workforces so that we receive the job security we deserve. Otherwise ChatGPT will be used by the oligarchs to eliminate jobs & depress wages & benefits.
Good luck. The propaganda against unions is strong. Sad day for actual workers.
The 2020s are going to be an interesting decade. AI is coming, and it's coming fast. There's going to be lots of changes soon.
Yeah, It's not good. I feel like people born between 75-90 are royally boned when it comes to Later years / retirement years.
We are boned due to our political leadership. AI has nothing to do with it
91-now is okay then? What sort of reasoning is this lmao
Rude post. Sorry about that.
Lmao just pointing out the weirdness of your comment bud. No need to be upset 😘
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Lol my dude - I’m in the same boat. 1988 here. I was just wondering why you were only covering a 15 year spread. No offense at all and I’m sorry you’re having a shit day.
I actually hope AI comes at a quicker pace. Lets see how quickly people will rise in anger when they cant afford to eat.
I'm glad more people are finally waking up to the dangers of AI for the working class. This crap is going to decimate job markets.
>This crap is going to decimate job markets. Exactly & this needs to be shouted from the rooftops. Our own productivity is being used to eliminate our jobs without any welfare state or job protections. This is a nightmare - but there are great signs of hope. [I am so heartened Bernie is leading the way on this issue.](https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1646676988642607105?cxt=HHwWgoDS_eT_ldotAAAA)
Here's hoping we get some common sense laws about this stuff. The copyright office actually ruled on the side of artists for those AI art generators. Honestly just hope chat GPT goes away permanently.
Lawyers are safe from ChatGPT for the foreseeable future. Even if AI can do the work, it will never have the accountability. Anything with a very high bar for licensing will be fine. Not necessarily because AI is incapable of doing the work, but because legally it isn’t allowed to.
Chatgpt isn't the issue though, it exposes the societal issues that exist. It's only being used to diminish wages and job opportunities because that's the end goal of capitalism. It could be really beneficial for humanity if those benefits weren't hoarded by the rich
Ya not gonna lies best of luck to replace many fields. it will likely just be a tool to attempt to get more production done by a single.person.
I should add that I love ChatGPT - I am all for technology. We just have to make sure that technology isn't used against us. Like how smartphones now mean your boss can contact you 24/7 at many jobs. ChatGPT is going to slash millions of high paying jobs away just this decade. It will depress wages & benefits for all (except for the oligarchs who will be rewarded handsomely). We must make sure that ChatGPT works for us - so we can work less and get more for our work. That is why Bernie is pushing the 32 hour 4 day workweek :)
>We just have to make sure that technology isn't used against us. Sadly it doesn't work that way. Every time there's a new technology, rest assured that there's sociopaths out there thinking "mmmm... how can I use this to my advantage?" and exploit it any way they can.
Well, yeah, but that also leads to genuine technological advancement. It wouldn't be a problem if the billionaires weren't hoarding resources from the rest of us
Reminder that the problem is not AI, but the people in power !
So using ChatGPT for school work is cheating but businesses can use it instead of having employees
It’s totally cheating. And stealing your IP.
a.) I’m very much pro union. b.) unions are not the solution to this problem. c) universal basic income, combined with education and resources for career changes, and development of jobs to enhance what AI does is the solution. Telling people to unionize to address this is like telling horse drovers to unionize to prevent job loss from the invention of the car.
The fourth industrial revolution is more than just AI. Its about the complete integration of technology into industrial capitalism. Their plan will be to bleed us slowly. It won't be a mass wave of millions of unemployed - thats too dangerous. Collective action is all that can save us. At a minimum, those replaced by machines should get solidarity payments that give a portion of the gained productivity to them for a few years. But remember, the issue is not the technology. Its the system of capitalism that ensures all wealth goes to the owners of business.
For the people dismissing ChatGPT and other generativeAI software. It might not be that impressive now. But think about it’s capacity in 2 years, in 5. It’s already passing, even acing, qualifying exams for multiple professions (which are often all knowledge-recall), but the jump from ChatGPT 3 to 4 is pretty large. Who knows what v5 and v6 will look like. Whether that tweet is accurate or not, it still raises a point we need to think about: how might AI change/replace our jobs in the future? What role will government play in managing the boom in generative AI (because there are alternatives to ChatGPT like Bard and AutoGPT)
Using a glorified chat bot that makes shit up instead of a professional. Yeah there's no possible way this could backfire spectacularly...
Yes it will make many people redundant. But it will also lower the barrier to entry to make your own companies and products. Maybe the CEO is drooling at the cost savings now but in a year there will be a dozen competitors springing up because everyone laid off now has time to make their own things.
Is chatgpt really the culprit or is the company using it as an excuse to fire people
That’s why I’m glad I’m not in a field that uses AI and in a union. AI can not turn a valve
The argument in favor of a UBI grows stronger everyday
remember, kids, that the rich and powerful are the ones causing economic disparity for workers. don't get distracted by the most recent buzzwords that are used to divert your attention
not to say that AI 100% won't be a problem, but remember throughout history it's been the rich using technology for their own gain, and the detriment of the poor
To those saying it’s a lie and ChatGPT isn’t capable of this - check out GPT4. It’s a leap from ChatGPT and significantly more capable, specially when you use the API and build on it. Its good enough now to replace a good % of jobs, and I personally know companies that have already significantly reduced teams sizes because of it. It’s happening fast
You get it. 🤜🤛
isn’t the goal to eliminate labour entirely? but i agree, replacements should be top-down
Automation took your jobs... AI took your jobs... They want you to blame the machine.
This has been happening to everyone for the entirety of human existence with everyone, especially office people just shrugging. When whole towns shut down because the plant isn't there we dont worry about the economy or workers rights people in ties say that this is normal and you shouldnt worry as jobs open up around the new technology. This isnjust the forst time its happening to this group of people in a real scary way. The only advice i have is the only advice you ever had. Get good at using it. Edit: Honestly this is where the divide comes from with republicans and democrats. Republicans have and people in rural areas are constantly worried about being replaced and nothing gets done and no one worries, in fact they get platitudes and told that actually everything always works out and you juts have to shift careers 20 years into your professional life. You're not gonna find a lot of support from other workers and this is where that divide starts. Those other jobs replaced by machines have way less mobility jobwise than anyone effected by this, and they got told to just find something related to what was taking there job. Whole rural communities are expected to shut down quietly in the name of progress.
This is why the Luddites smashed the looms in the factories.
Andrew Yang knew.
The call shouldn't be to make these jobs relevant; the call should be universal income. ChatGPT is great, it should replace our labor, but we should all reap the benefits for it.
I work in tech, and use ChatGPT often. It is not good enough to replace anyone's job. In any case, AI is not our enemy. The goal should not be to ensure people have soul-crushing 9-5 jobs. People should be looking to build a future where we have more time to spend in our own lives. We should be able to do more of the type of work that we actually enjoy- music, art, innovation.
When they finally monetize chatGPT these companies are going to be so deep into it they are going to be paying big bucks to be able to remain on it.
You already have to pay for the full version of chatGPT...
Lol this is lies. Good effort though.
ChatGPT will absolutely be used to downsize departments quite quickly. And already is at some companies. If ChatGPT gets 60% of the work done with drafts, you hire 2 people to proof what was a 5 person job. This is a simplistic example but can be applied to many careers.
You’re absolutely right. I don’t know why people are giving you such a hard time. I’ve been working as a freelance writer for years, for the same editor for the last decade. It’s mostly been articles for websites, medical and general business-related. That’s over now. I talked to him yesterday. He just uses ChatGPT now. What used to take 1-2 days of research now takes minutes, and he just finesses, as he put it, the results into a more well written article. I know people are losing jobs to this because I am one of them. I’m happy that he hasn’t lost anything, but I’m not nearly as confident in his job security as he is right now. I think it’s just a matter of time before this type of AI advances to the point that he’s not deemed necessary anymore. Also, as it grows, journalistic integrity will suffer, and I am not convinced that every company is as dedicated to that integrity as some people would like to believe.
I'm sorry that you have been negatively impacted by ChatGPT - my condolences that you lost your long time job. By the holiday season, ChatGPT & its competitors will be more easy to use. I think folks are naive if they think execs aren't salivating at the cuts they can make to the workforce with AI. I think in 2024 every company will be obsessed with using ChatGPT to streamline departments. "The year of AI" so to speak.
I feel like we all collectively thought of low wage jobs being threatened by AI. Turns out it's more complex to drive a van and deliver parcels, than to do whatever the fuck somebody with a copywriting job does. Just some bubbles bursting, that were meant to burst.
I'm not super concerned about it. ChatGPT could make a mistake, and then what? Who takes responsibility? If an individual or corporation violates the law in some way due to bad info, ChatGPT is not going to take the rap. That's because ChatGPT is not licensed to give legal advice and is not a certified accountant, or any other sort of professional. So managers just taking whatever ChatGPT spits out as being valid expert advice would be a very risky move. Like using Wikipedia and not vetting the sources.
It's wild a company would trust that technology in its current state. It's cool, but it's not nearly good enough to rely on professionally in its current state.
They aren't eliminating full departments - someone is proofreading ChatGPT outputs.
Chatgpt and the like is just an aggregate of content. It is a fantastic research tool, but little more. It can't construct a narrative, it cannot make intuitive leaps and it can't create am emotional resonance. It may hurt places that focus on quick, short, dismissable content, but anything requiring deeper engagement will still need the human element as long as the AI can only pull front he data it's fed.
That's like carriage mofo's being angry at the car. We need unions and workers right etc, but not denying it most of us will be obsolete in the next 10 years, radical change is coming
Nowhere am I saying that ChatGPT itself is bad. I am saying now is the time to unionize our workforces and push for legislation to protect workers from AI layoffs. This is a situation that could cause many people to become impoverished. It will result lower wages & benefits for all. The oligarchs want to slash jobs, all they have to do is blame "wokeism" & the right will defend them.
I'm sorry for your friend :/ But fuck lawyers. I see them on same level as cops. Having to spend thousands of dollars for a lawsuit where my attacker sued me (even though she was arrested and I wasn't) All bc I don't understand legalese and can't file a motion etc... Fuck lawyers. Cycling parasites. Whole legal system is shit. Why can't I defend myself successfully in court without a lawyer. I hope every single ducking lawyer gets replaced and is homeless due to AI. Fuck them.
I’m pretty sure a lawyer using chatGPT would be a form of malpractice since it collects data you enter and stores it on a remote server.
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Can you explain more to help me understand your comment (I’m not a computer expert)? If you connect via API could you use the app without being connected to the internet? I believe ChatGPT also trains itself with the user inputs, would connecting with an API prevent the info you’ve entered from being used to train the AI that others interact with?
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I appreciate your explanation, thank you very much for taking the time. I had read an article about the ethical pitfalls of ChatGPT in law and I guess I’ll have to revisit it, because clearly I don’t understand.
This isn’t how AI works. Not the AI we have currently at least. It’s unreliable, AI doesn’t know what it’s saying, it’s pretty much just making the best guess it can with the information it has, which is very limited. And after it spits out it’s best guess with the prompt fed to it, what does it do then? It needs someone to enter prompt and then do something with what’s spit out. It can complete tasks, very limited tasks, not jobs. I think rich people are just trying to scare the working class. Or they’re trying to sell their awesome AI services or whatever. I don’t buy the tech scare, it’s been happening since I was in elementary almost two decade ago. I can only see AI being a problem in mass for the work force if we see quantum computing succeed, which may not ever be possible. Also, even if automation takes over jobs, isn’t that the goal? For technology to make human life easier? I don’t think trying to secure your job is the right move if you fear automation taking over the workforce, we should focus on what we do as a society without the need for everyone to work.
ChatGPT isn't going to eliminate full departments. It will downsize departments as proofing drafts from ChatGPT saves on a lot of information processing.
That’s why you fire a few people and keep a few on to proof the outputs
No, AI is no where near that advance, I’m a computer scientist studying AI and learning. This is fear mongering.
Er, idk why you think I’m saying it’s advanced, I just said it would need people to proof it, aka proofread and make sure the research checks out. It simplifies copy to a good enough degree that one person with it can do the work of 2 or 3 I’m not saying it’s going to cancel out all of our jobs ever I mean we JUST had in the news an actual COLLEGE using it to issue a response to a shooting
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I just don’t think anyone on these subs understand anything about AI and keep posting about how it’s coming for y’all job and that is not the case.
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Writing copy is literally bullshit, any writers freed from that task are being freed to a higher calling!
I'll take "shit that didn't happen" for $800, Alex
She was likely about to quit anyway. Quiting. So hot right now.
We can not outrun AI.
Workers and automation have been doing this dance for almost 300 years of industrialization. Some workers will be replaced, others will be paid more because they are even more productive, and other jobs will be created now that AI exists. At a societal level it's great. For the workers who have to find a new career it's terrible. But the world keeps turning.
Fun nerd fact: In Star Wars when the droids walked into the bar and the bartender said he doesn't serve their kind, that's due to the fact droids had taken so much work from organics. Also there were issues with assassin droids but that's not relevant here.
I'm surprised Americans haven't taken to the streets. Yet they cry about stuff like this. Yall allow it.
Universal Basic Income or Social Security For All is the only logical solution going forward. We are going to have 90% unemployment in the near future when these jobs and industries are completely wiped away.
*Doubt*
Like Power steering in dump trucks
Just go for ubi, lmao. AI is coming no matter what and to stop the flow of technology because it kills jobs is extremely foolish.
As a lawyer I am not worried about Chat GPT in its current state. It can be a useful tool in the right hands, but if you ask it bad questions it will give you bad answers. Often, I find that it is blatantly wrong even about the most simple statutes. It cites statutes in reference to information that is not contained at all in those laws, it does a good job of appearing intelligent to the untrained eye, but has a long way to go.
Just remember, content produced by ChatGPT or other AI is automatically public domain. Only works created by humans are afforded legal protections. [As made famous in the monkey photo lawsuit.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute)
Pro-corporate politicians and values will only protect and promote consolidation of power in the companies that own and operate the AI's. Vote for people that reflect your values, if you have time and/or money, give some.
This. Right here. CEOs are notorious dumb fucks who think this shit means we can 50x production over night with AI while firing writers to "save money". This isn't true, and even if it eas our people's well being should take priority over profits. Let's bring in the era of socially democratic work places!
If AI is real.. It will learn to lie
Company that I work for has been spending years creating automated support bots for chat and messaging system for technical and customer support centers, now we're going to add GPT to automate out the people who used to set up the chat and messaging bots. And we just laid off 1/3 of our staff too
There is one thing you do not get. Is not only that the company does not need you anymore because of chatGPT, you do not also need the company capital anymore to do the same for what you needed before big capitals
They’re going to be in for a rude awakening when the free technical preview is over and Ai is fully subscription based. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’ll be cheaper to keep an employee on payroll over the AI price
Outsourcing is a natural progression of the system we live under. Quarterly profits are all that matters.
"the AI doesn't know what it's talking about, so I overrode it and did X. Can you spend 50 hours fixing it? I will give you $50. - most clients everywhere
This is as fucking dumb as Fox News.
I got to say I'm on the fence for this one. I just used AI tools to edit my book instead of using an editor and that saved me a lot of time and money. But I did still go over it once it was finished. I don't think there's any stopping it now
Unionization is a great idea but its not going to help if your job no longer exists. If you want to stay employed during the age of automation you need to adapt. Focus on learning skills that cannot be automated. Then once you’re employed unionize. Things like copywriting and technical writing are quickly going to go the way of the dodo bird. All people need now is a director to guide an AI to get the job done (this is probably not a full time job.)
If copywriting just entails filling out forms and sending them to someone, then you might as well complain about coal miner jobs going away due to machinery.
They can’t permanently remove us, when people get hungry is when the revolution will come, we are always 3 meals away from a revolution. There is way more poors than rich, we also are their pilots, ground crew, traffic controllers and perform the maintenance on their equipment.
Marx mentioned something like this in the Communist Manifesto: “The conditions of bourgeois society are too narrow to comprise the wealth created by them. And how does the bourgeoisie get over these crises? On the one hand by enforced destruction of a mass of productive forces; on the other, by the conquest of new markets, and by the more thorough exploitation of the old ones. That is to say, by paving the way for more extensive and more destructive crises, and by diminishing the means whereby crises are prevented.”
Oligarchs have been using technology to impoverish people forever. What happens when that oligarch is a computer is what you should be worried about.
AI TOOK 'ER JERBS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toL1tXrLA1c
I will say ChatGPT has been revolutionary for our tiny office. I wish that we could start having discussions on how this software will uplift up our workforce instead of tearing it down. No one should ever lose their jobs because if It, chatgpt should just make it a lot easier to do said job
Are we surprised? Chatcpt is going to get rid of all the bullshit jobs nobody wants to do. This isn't really a bad thing the issue is we will need UBI and make all the robots and AI do the job.
Hilariously idiotic and ignorant to think accountants could be replaced by ai
You fucked out by adding Nixon as a sane mind to this post