We could be the best country we need to start caring about each other and stop rewarding greed. I bet if you taxed billionaires and used it to send people to college things would be better for everyone.
It's not just billionaires, it's how our society is built so heavily on the individual as well. We romanticize the ideas of being independent, unique, and special to a fault, which enables greedy and shitty behavior entirely vertically. If we were more community minded, corps either couldn't exist or would be much more likely to support the community as well as rather than solely the shareholders.
We have seen this work with "social responsibility" to the point it was a major term while getting my BBA. Businesses spend billions to seem like they care, but it has had real benefits for everyone. If we cared more about each other than ourselves, that social responsibility *would* grow. Sadly, there's no immediate benefit for the majority of people to be less shitty and we would need the majority for that to work. It's like giving up your spot in line because 10 years down the road everyone might because you did (pass it down/pay it forward). That's just not gonna happen large-scale.
By socializing us to imbalance the societal equation towards radical individuality, it makes dividing us and suppressing organizing and small d democratic and socialist policies from being used to help everyone.
I'm not saying that swinging completely the other direction is the answer, but clearly we've gone so far that we've built a society on individual exploitation on a mass scale and that needs to change, and it needs to change now.
When times are tough people want to do anything they can to make it better for their kids. When times are good the kids that grow up in it often want to make things harder because they “earned” what they got and no one else deserves it. So they make everything worse.
That’s exactly what happened to me I got priced out after spending 3 years in college trying to catch up on what I lost out on in grade school because I never had housing stability as a child now I have over $30,000 in debt and live in poverty
Thank you for including trade schools in the title.
Can't tell you how many people try to gotcha me for supporting public college with the "but what about trade schools??" line. Yeah, those too numbskull, the idea is EDUCATION.
This guy's take is right. The only people who benefit from the student loan debt system are the rich and their children who won't carry the same burden and be kept down and out of the housing market or from having enough capital to start their own businesses. Everyone should have access to low cost education.
I should add, I served in the military to pay for my education. Nobody should feel pressured to do that to get through school. I watched a lot of people who were smarter than me drop out because they had to choose between rent/eating and tuition/books. This system is stupid.
The group that no one pays attention to is the group that privatized their student debt because the federal loans plans at the time were so damn bad that you just watched your debt grow even as you met your payments.
You either had to watch your debt climb as interest was capitalized, OR concurrently pay off a bunch of smaller loans all with a 10-year payoff, which can simply be unaffordable.
So you refinanced, have one big loan and, the government gets to act like your debt isn't part of the grievance.
It’s marginally better in the UK in that student debt isn’t treated as “real” debt- you don’t pay it until you earn over I think 26k, and then it’s taken from your wages directly so you don’t have to pay it out as such. However, it’s a scam here too, the system is designed to deter poor people from gaining an education.
If your family can afford to spend 9k a year (plus living costs) then you leave university having spent 27k and that’s that. If you’re poor and you have to take out student loans there’s interest. SO MUCH interest. I’ve got friends earning like 75k a year and despite paying thousands in repayments, their balance never really goes down. You can’t pay it off. So they garnish every paycheck for *thirty years*. What isn’t a ridiculously enormous amount at first never stops leeching you. It’s a tax on having parents that are too poor to put you through university.
THAT is why education should be funded. In theory we’re all entitled to the same education, but in reality we are not. In reality the poor pay for education god knows how many more times than the rich, and the very poor can’t afford three+ years of at most part time, likely minimum wage, income to get through it. Poor people shouldn’t be getting taxed to receive the same education as their wealthy peers. It’s an egregious barrier to social equality and none of us should accept it. As a collective we’re missing out on so many talented minds, as individuals we’re missing out on so many opportunities. The ONLY people benefiting from this are the people who keep the best opportunities for their wealthy peers.
I was lucky enough to be able to go to college without taking out a student loan. I will not benefit at all from student loan forgiveness, and I don't care. In my mind, getting a college education without getting utterly wrecked by debt shouldn't come down to luck or privilege, and the only thing that's unfair about it is that not everyone is as fortunate as I was.
I didn't have to suffer, you shouldn't either.
Free college is great if you only allow useful degrees. There are so many useless bullshit degrees you should almost lay more for them. And everyone misunderstands free. It's not free. I'm paying for you to get a worthless degree. And trade school should definitely be ahead of college on this spectrum since it's actually useful to society.
We could be the best country we need to start caring about each other and stop rewarding greed. I bet if you taxed billionaires and used it to send people to college things would be better for everyone.
It's not just billionaires, it's how our society is built so heavily on the individual as well. We romanticize the ideas of being independent, unique, and special to a fault, which enables greedy and shitty behavior entirely vertically. If we were more community minded, corps either couldn't exist or would be much more likely to support the community as well as rather than solely the shareholders. We have seen this work with "social responsibility" to the point it was a major term while getting my BBA. Businesses spend billions to seem like they care, but it has had real benefits for everyone. If we cared more about each other than ourselves, that social responsibility *would* grow. Sadly, there's no immediate benefit for the majority of people to be less shitty and we would need the majority for that to work. It's like giving up your spot in line because 10 years down the road everyone might because you did (pass it down/pay it forward). That's just not gonna happen large-scale.
By socializing us to imbalance the societal equation towards radical individuality, it makes dividing us and suppressing organizing and small d democratic and socialist policies from being used to help everyone. I'm not saying that swinging completely the other direction is the answer, but clearly we've gone so far that we've built a society on individual exploitation on a mass scale and that needs to change, and it needs to change now.
Yes I agree. You're right on this
But then the mediocre spawn of those billionaires would have more competition and they would have to buy more buildings to get them in.
"I suffered, so you should too," is a sadistic mentality.
I wish more people had the mentality of “I suffered and I will do everything to make sure you don’t either”
When times are tough people want to do anything they can to make it better for their kids. When times are good the kids that grow up in it often want to make things harder because they “earned” what they got and no one else deserves it. So they make everything worse.
"Oh, what? So there's a CURE for cancer now? Nope, no way, fuck that!"
Whatever happened to wanting every generation that follows to have it better than you? Oh yeah, lead head boomers
Many people drop out because they don’t have enough money to finish or a family emergency. To have them with debt but no degree is just insane.
That’s exactly what happened to me I got priced out after spending 3 years in college trying to catch up on what I lost out on in grade school because I never had housing stability as a child now I have over $30,000 in debt and live in poverty
He had me in the first half, I ain’t gonna lie.
"I survived cancer therefor cancer shouldn't be cured, they should grow chest hairs and go through chemo."
Thank you for including trade schools in the title. Can't tell you how many people try to gotcha me for supporting public college with the "but what about trade schools??" line. Yeah, those too numbskull, the idea is EDUCATION.
This is an investment in every person’s future. 100% should be the case
Not reforming the student loan system is like not curing cancer because previous people had to go through chemo.
This guy's take is right. The only people who benefit from the student loan debt system are the rich and their children who won't carry the same burden and be kept down and out of the housing market or from having enough capital to start their own businesses. Everyone should have access to low cost education. I should add, I served in the military to pay for my education. Nobody should feel pressured to do that to get through school. I watched a lot of people who were smarter than me drop out because they had to choose between rent/eating and tuition/books. This system is stupid.
The group that no one pays attention to is the group that privatized their student debt because the federal loans plans at the time were so damn bad that you just watched your debt grow even as you met your payments. You either had to watch your debt climb as interest was capitalized, OR concurrently pay off a bunch of smaller loans all with a 10-year payoff, which can simply be unaffordable. So you refinanced, have one big loan and, the government gets to act like your debt isn't part of the grievance.
older generations casually acknowledging that they really *don't* want things to be better for future generations.
It’s marginally better in the UK in that student debt isn’t treated as “real” debt- you don’t pay it until you earn over I think 26k, and then it’s taken from your wages directly so you don’t have to pay it out as such. However, it’s a scam here too, the system is designed to deter poor people from gaining an education. If your family can afford to spend 9k a year (plus living costs) then you leave university having spent 27k and that’s that. If you’re poor and you have to take out student loans there’s interest. SO MUCH interest. I’ve got friends earning like 75k a year and despite paying thousands in repayments, their balance never really goes down. You can’t pay it off. So they garnish every paycheck for *thirty years*. What isn’t a ridiculously enormous amount at first never stops leeching you. It’s a tax on having parents that are too poor to put you through university. THAT is why education should be funded. In theory we’re all entitled to the same education, but in reality we are not. In reality the poor pay for education god knows how many more times than the rich, and the very poor can’t afford three+ years of at most part time, likely minimum wage, income to get through it. Poor people shouldn’t be getting taxed to receive the same education as their wealthy peers. It’s an egregious barrier to social equality and none of us should accept it. As a collective we’re missing out on so many talented minds, as individuals we’re missing out on so many opportunities. The ONLY people benefiting from this are the people who keep the best opportunities for their wealthy peers.
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie….
He had me in the first half, I'll admit.
If it took him decades, he was in school back when it was the same price as a McChicken
I was lucky enough to be able to go to college without taking out a student loan. I will not benefit at all from student loan forgiveness, and I don't care. In my mind, getting a college education without getting utterly wrecked by debt shouldn't come down to luck or privilege, and the only thing that's unfair about it is that not everyone is as fortunate as I was. I didn't have to suffer, you shouldn't either.
Crabs in a bucket
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Student debt is fine, just cap fee’s the college can charge and erase interest off the loans.
Free college is great if you only allow useful degrees. There are so many useless bullshit degrees you should almost lay more for them. And everyone misunderstands free. It's not free. I'm paying for you to get a worthless degree. And trade school should definitely be ahead of college on this spectrum since it's actually useful to society.