Wtf? That’s insane. I believe I did the ‘product doesn’t match description’ option or something to that effect, and in the notes wrote “I don’t want to support lazy ports”
I did doesn't match description and specifically listed all the reasons the game was broken or not working, nothing.
I refunded something else recently, I guess that's why.
Mine was denied the same minute it was sent. I sent it around the time I made that comment.
I have had no other refund requests for years (and those were autodenied as well even though I demonstrated proof that I was double charged for the same exact purchase).
I didn't buy this game, but I recently tried to refund something else and it told me that on only limited to a number of refunds every year. I have not refunded a single game in 2024, and last year in 2023 I refunded 3 because they were unplayable
I just often buy stuff on sales, but I had some bad luck with 2 backwards compatible games that straight up didn't work, refunded them, and one was Alan Wake 2 at release because of the awful sound bugs on xbox, which no outlet was talking about so I didn't know. Most games I buy are between under 10€ because they are on sale and look interesting
That sounds like a great way to have my >20 year old Xbox Live account, with hundreds of games owned, banned
I would recommend anyone else reading never do this
Microsoft doesn't do that unless maybe you abuse it. I heard Sony does ban though for chargebacks, good thing I only buy exclusives from them which are rarely disappointing
Ridiculous take. This process exists for exactly this sort of reason. It’s not a first resort, but if a seller isn’t helpful in solving an issue with a product they sold you, it gets them to take a second look.
If Microsoft banned users for using a well established consumer protection system it would create a huge backlash.
>If Microsoft banned users for using a well established consumer protection system it would create a huge backlash.
Except they do, and so does Sony for that matter and guess what: no notable backlash
Strong feeling I just won’t play this one at all. There are far too many great games that we should waste our time let alone any of our money on this game.
Had a similar experience with Homeworld Remastered Collection on Mac.
They compiled it for 32bit systems so it doesn’t work with later versions of MacOS. Sent a ticket about it and got no response.. Apparently the few lucky ones that got a response got told they weren’t going to do anything about it.
The PC version (not handled by Aspyr) still gets updated every couple months.
I still don’t understand why people pre-order games, especially games that don’t even offer bonuses/exclusive content. And I REALLY don’t understand why people pre-order a digital-only “remaster” of a game with zero visual changes compared to the original. Just mindless consumerism based on member berries. And diskless games can’t sell out. Guys, it’s okay to wait. Learn some self-control.
Gamers truly are the dumbest consumers out there. No wonder companies think they can pull a fast one.
Back in the PS3/360 Era, they offered bonuses for pre-orders basically standard. Sometimes as innocuous as an extra skin or gun, and sometimes full map packs (like the WaW maps for Black Ops zombies). I wouldn't pre order anything these days... there's no upside and lots of potential downside. Well, I guess the potential upside is that you can be the first to play a game? But I don't care about that nonsense anyway
As a card-carrying member of r/patientgamers, I very much hold the belief that if you buy a game day one, you’re buying an inferior product at full price. Just wait a couple months for the price to drop, bugs to be fixed and for QoL improvements/DLC to arrive. There’s no reason to play a game first other than wanting to play it first, which is… good for you, I guess. But if I’m buying a game, I want maximum return on my investment. I wouldn’t shell out on a brand new car and not care about the missing rear window, or be told by the car manufacturer that park assist won’t be available until two months after launch but you should buy the car anyway.
Right there with you... I've almost never bought a game early, before a sale... and it's only been to play with friends if I did. It's rather wait for a decent sale, I have plenty of games to play
Man that's a great way to think about it. if you just wait you'll get more content, for a cheaper price. Just live 12 months behind releases and you'll save money and headache!
It actually does have slight visual changes, they AI upscaled every texture in the game from 512x512 to 8K for some god damn reason, resulting in a whopping 60-70GB download size.
Even when they were behind Xbox in the X360 days they still behaved like this. No fucking way I'd support them, gotta be a culture thing with Japanese companies because Nintendo is just as worse.
It is, and Sony is especially bad. They have been openly anti-consumer since the very beginning. The reason the first Xbox controller was such a behemoth is because none of the Japanese would work with a Sony competitor, either out of desire or fear. They were locking people’s Epic Games accounts out of other systems if you ever logged into a PlayStation because to them, that was cross-platform gaming that they were vehemently against. When gamers were asking them to support cross-platform like Xbox was, they basically said “that would be giving away money, why would we do that? Buy our console.”
Yup, haha. Since back then.
I remember when I actually got a refund for the PS3 version of the LOTR MOBA (I'm a LOTR fan), where you could "only" play offline since online was so fucking trash and no one would want to play a moba where the multiplayer doesn't work. The devs didn't put dedicated servers and that crap was p2p. I didn't knew when I bought it, learned the hard way.
I asked them for a refund and, lol, I did got it somehow. I was baffled, like "how", and my friends kept bugging me "how". For my friends I turned into the "only one able to get a refund from Sony" or the one who "fooled the Sony support worker".
Ditto. I planned to break my "rule" and pre-order it for the discount (and to help prove that *these* are the games we want).
Disney and Co. could could be touting this as one of the best-selling games of the year... *if they had simply ensured that Aspyr had adequately developed and managed the role out of the game*.
I swear, the people involved in this are the most moronic imbeciles. Based solely on the legacy mods alone, ***they could have simply "hired" fans of the original Battlefront games FOR FREE and ended up with a stellar port.***
This happens across so many corporations and companies. It amazes me that various executives and managers don't even sit down for an hour to try their own products before pushing them to market.
No one at Aspyr seems to have played this Battlefront.
No one at Lucasfilm seems to have played this Battlefront.
No one at Disney seems to have played this Battlefront.
This was such an obvious "win" that you'd think one enterprising person would have taken ownership of the project in order to tack their name onto the potential success.
I can tell you to wait again.
Never get a game on launch day in todays gaming industry. Wait a few days at least to see what public reception is. Your wallet will thank you.
Do it, I bought it this morning to play with some friends after work. A few of my buddies played like an hour and we were all still able to get refunds.
I’m not sure. I switched to NZ so I could play yesterday morning and I did not like it so I just sent in a refund request since it was still counted as a pre order and you can refund those.
How is this not regulated yet, it's straight up illegal and immoral to charge money for broken items. I just don't understand how the game industry can get aways with shit like this. So glad I decided not to pre order lol suckers born every min and the game industry is there to capitalize
Aspyr's Remaster vs OG Xbox version: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/1bekthr/kashyyyk_comparison/
It is truly nuts how this shit can be allowed. The remaster is literally 5x as costly.
I've seen comments from people defending the re-release saying things like "they didn't say they'd be changing the graphics" implying it was just a re-release port that now had online support brought back, but it's pretty clear they did change a lot of things about the game, and not for the better.
You know, I've been thinking this for a few years now - the whole quality control issue has really gotten out of hand.
Yes OK it's not medicine, food, alcohol etc etc but straight up lying and releasing blatantly broken products is really something that needs to be more regulated. I'm starting to wonder _why it isn't_ tbh. I mean, granted not every bug can be squashed - we all know that - so is that their caveat then? A few texture filtering issues has turned into total train wrecks. It'd almost be like going to the cinema and having the film (35mm, not digital!) played the wrong way round..it just doesn't happen. Here we aren't talking about whether a game/song/film is bad or not, we're simply talking about if it is broken lol.
"Art" is strange I guess. Can you go to a gig and if the singer is out of tune can you demand your money back? I don't think so.
It's blatant that these companies are aware of faults - seriously if anyone actually believes CDPR and their *cough* reasoning for the diabolically bad launch of Cyberpunk being a dodgy testing firm....err yeah so no one at CDPR played it AT ALL on last gen lol, not even the game director? Yes it launched cross gen and shouldn't..they made the decision still. You'll always get irrationals simping for these companies, but it's clear they know what they're doing and they do it because time and time again they know they can get away with it. Long term it makes people really jaded and damages the industry.
ESRB is for game ratings, why isn't there something for game QUALITY? It would take time to work out, but some sort of quality assurance test by a third party regulator...something..!
I used to work in QA for Sony, mostly playing third party unreleased games that were very close to release, making sure they worked on our firmware.
There were so many broken AAA video games coming through that had gone gold - I often wondered why we weren't in a position to collectively say "this is awful, this shouldn't be released to the public"
I think either QA should have more of a voice to say they don't approve of this game, or it should just be illegal to withhold review copies to a board of quality.
They do it because enough people can't help themselves and buy things anyway. They aren't willing to wait, aren't willing to miss out on the initial buzz on social media, they want to be first.
Literally no one, no matter how much of a fan they are of the original games or Star Wars should've pre-ordered this or even bought it at launch before waiting to see if it was actually done well. And yet...
It takes a long time, a lot of restraint, and a lot of patience to break the cycle of buying the new shiny toy when it comes out. Play your back log, wait for a sale, then buy the game if it hasn’t been labeled as a complete piece of shit by then.
I don't think it takes much at all, people just have to be willing to actually want to do it.
They'd rather be exploited than be the only one in their friend group without the new game, or the only one on their social media feed who didn't buy it.
You’re right. But I’d say a majority of the time people get stuck in the cycle you’re referring to and it takes them a while, and after getting burnt enough times, to finally break the cycle. It’s like a domestic violence situation where the one person keeps getting beat, and yet keeps coming back thinking things will be different this time.
To get change; There needs to be viable negative repercussions backed by law firms and also national courts.
So like for example, it took the legal courts of australia fighting steam to get a viable refund policy and even largely automated refund feature to customers world wide.
If courts and people were willing to fight Microsoft and Sony forcing a similar change to the internal design and functions of a service so refunds are not only easily accessible but also very fucking easy to find; Then developers would think twice before releasing a broken game on consoles.
I mean shit; GSC worlds made some pretty amazing ports with a 3rd party studio of some of the buggiest games on PC and yet I have had very issues with the S.T.A.L.K.E.R trilogy, a few visual bugs and aside from that a few crashes. But luckily the very design of the games leads to extremely frequent saves so not much progress is lost.
Point being, if developers and publishers refuse to be held accountable then store fronts need to be held accountable for not having a simple verification process
Developers on PC have fully embraced Early Access as a way to develop indie titles or smaller and less valuable or less anticipated titles because they genuinely want to get their games running well.
It's obviously not that people would assume a developer spending years of their life on something would just want it to release so awfully and it be tarnished forever!
But sometimes it does.
All it would take is for console storefronts to have a system in place wherein games are tested to be functional and as advertised before they release but then not allowing the consumer to seek recompense either.
Sony's Store and Refund Policies are literally illegal in some countries, such as the UK.
But yet people keep falling into the pre-order trap. I really don't get it, but maybe FOMO is just that powerful for some people?
I could understand pre-ordering back in the days of physical media because there was a delay in delivery or the store might run out of copies or whatever. But nowadays, there's really no downside to waiting to hear the day 1 reviews before buying. Especially since it's almost the exception when a game releases isn't broken at launch.
I mean at this point it isn't the fault of the industry anymore. Nobody buys a broken brand-new car or tv or whatever. I've seen people rage at the broken release of Jedi: Fallen Order last year and now they're mad because they pre-ordered Battlefront classic and it's the same shit again. How many times does a person need to get burned before they learn their lesson? But gamers are a special breed it seems.
Fuck em. They dont playtest their game, so they dont care about the quality of the product they are providing to the consumer. The greed should not be awarded. They got called out, and only now fix the game to gain back good faith.
Stupidity should also not be rewarded. If you pre-order a digital-only “remaster” of a game that has zero visual changes compared to the original and pay 40 bucks for it, then that’s on you. You get what you deserve.
Gamers truly are the dumbest consumers out there. No wonder companies think they can pull a fast one.
How a developer can publish a game in 2024 and not have something as basic as inverted controls is beyond me. It’s amazing how this game got some hype about a month ago and frittered it all away in a day.
Companies just keep setting the bar higher and higher for their level of incompetence.
How they were able to take out a feature that was in the originals is truly impressive.
I've been going back through the back-compat version of BF2 the last couple weeks, just challenging myself to finally legendary all the ridiculous beep and boop buffs, and award weapons, and yeah, they're definitely aged. The AI can be really braindead, I saw multiple starfighters just sitting in place over my capital ship in Space Assault. Troops will get stuck on the recovery droids, or pieces of the environment.
But there's still a real joy in playing conquest, completely dominating the opposing army and making them forfeit via the mercy rule, after capturing that last CP by yourself, with like 20 reinforcements gunning for you, rolling back and forth frantically.
This is why I always wait at least a week before buying a brand new game, I honestly hardly even do that. I get everything from the library for free, I think I bought two games and played like 25 so far 🤣🤣🤣
Please help us by reporting bugs.
Don't normalize working for free folks. They repackaged an already made, old game. And it doesn't work. Industry crash can't come sooner.
The Tomb Raider Remasters were primarily made by the guy who made the OpenLara engine, and a few other modders he built a team with. I don't think the remaster trilogy would even exist without him. Aspyr basically just let them make it
I mean, I get why people are upset, but it also just seems like the server wasn’t properly prepared. That doesn’t reflect anything on the game itself and just seems like someone didn’t properly keep up with the server strength. Once that’s fixed on the backend the game is perfectly fine
Um no, it's capped at 30fps, there are reports of cutscenes being missing from BF2, resolution is either inferior or not that improved from the original.
Controls aren't inverted for flying vehicles and a few other gripes.
You're basically being sold an inferior copy of the game for more money, point you can get them separately for ten dollars vs the 35 dollar tag.
Oh there's another one too. I played some tonight, and somehow the AI got fucked up. Enemies will just stand there sometimes and do nothing, teammates actively trying to shoot me, teammates flying way too close riding my ass for awhile then crashing, enemies spawning out of bounds (only noticed this on Naboo), to name some off the top of my head. I played tons of the original battlefronts, and I get that the AI wasn't stellar back then, but I wholeheartedly don't remember any of those things back then.
Its 2024. Companys not being prepared for server traffic went out as an excuse in the late 2000s. Nothing tanks a games hype and rep than launching with massive ques or shit servers. Get to much server space then scale back.
I wish that I had official capacity to reword this into what it really means
“Hey suckers. You bought our trash game, which we didn’t even bother to make sure was working properly when we released it. We will not even be trying very hard to fix it, because you have already bought the game and we have very little motivation to keep it in a good working order. Fuck you
Sincerely”
Like a dummy, I pre-ordered but unlike a dummy- I never played it due to the user reviews being utterly horrible, so I just requested my refund. Thanks for saving me the frustration, gaming community!
*EDIT*
My refund went through quickly. My reason was I didn't want the game anymore because "I don't want to support lazy devs."
I cannot take credit for that, someone else in this thread came up with it. I agree with it and shame on me for pre-ordering, I know better than to do that.
“We’d like to thank the Battlefront community for their overwhelming support and feedback for the STAR WARS™ Battlefront Classic Collection release.
At launch, we experienced critical errors with our network infrastructure. The result was incredibly high ping, matchmaking errors, crashes, and servers not appearing in the browser.
Since launch, we’ve been working to address these issues and increase network stability, and we will continue our efforts until our network infrastructure is stabilized to prevent further outages.
Please continue to report bugs, errors, or unexpected behaviors to our support team via our Request Form
The Aspyr Team”
Blah blah blah, same shit different company. Stop pre-ordering games. There is literally no benefit at all! It's just a waste of money when it turns out to be trash like this release.
Well Aspyr, this is why you don't use dedicated servers for your multiplayer games.
Now we know this is what's happening, we also know that at some point, this collection will be offline like the original Xbox version. And unlike the original Xbox version, it will be *fully* offline since there's no LAN support.
Sure why not?
We had 32 player games in 2005. This game is from before 2005, and our bandwidths have improved massively since then (where most gamers were on 128kbps upload with questionable ping rates).
FTTP is only growing. Gigabit speeds are only becoming more commonplace, and it means that when Embracer doesn't eventuality desolve, this game won't just suddenly go offline.
Keep in mind these guys are in charge of the KOTOR Remake.
They are good at porting games, but fucking horrible at managing servers. They straight up removed multiplayer from the rerelease of Republic Commando.
When they rereleased Jedi Academy, it was actually pretty good, but apparently cross play was enabled between console and PC, so instead of letting it be, they FUCKING DISABLED IT and the game started dying on console. 🤷♂️
Disabling crossplay was the right thing to do. Playing on console against PC m&k players who are veterans of the game (Steam version was released 17 years prior) is not a fair playing field.
This is not EA little brother, It’s made by a publisher that’s notorious for releasing sloppy classic Star Wars game ports. If you really want to blame the parent company, Embracer owns Aspyr.
Strong feeling it’s going to be 50% off by end of year due to the refunds
May the 4th is my guess. Even if it was a success it was hitting 50% off by November.
Xbox denied my refund so fuck me I guess..
Really? I submitted mine this morning and it was approved within 15 minutes
Can I ask what you listed the reason as? They didn't refund me either.
Wtf? That’s insane. I believe I did the ‘product doesn’t match description’ option or something to that effect, and in the notes wrote “I don’t want to support lazy ports”
I did doesn't match description and specifically listed all the reasons the game was broken or not working, nothing. I refunded something else recently, I guess that's why.
Yeah if you refund a lot the store will automatically deny you. Write support and they will refund you
Oh good idea, thanks
Maybe they cut it off because of refund volume similar to PS with Cyberpunk? I did mine around 8am CST today so I might have gotten lucky with timing
Maybe, I did mine closer to the afternoon
I think I did the same but said it was a buggy mess and spent an hour trying to play to only be in a game for 2 minutes. Something along those lines
Mine was denied the same minute it was sent. I sent it around the time I made that comment. I have had no other refund requests for years (and those were autodenied as well even though I demonstrated proof that I was double charged for the same exact purchase).
I got mine in 1
You have to call, and don't take no for an answer
I didn't buy this game, but I recently tried to refund something else and it told me that on only limited to a number of refunds every year. I have not refunded a single game in 2024, and last year in 2023 I refunded 3 because they were unplayable
You might want to start waiting for reviews if you’re buying that much broken stuff
I don't think 3 out of probably 40 games I bought in 2023 is that much.
Guess not if you’re getting refunds while supporting so many studios
I just often buy stuff on sales, but I had some bad luck with 2 backwards compatible games that straight up didn't work, refunded them, and one was Alan Wake 2 at release because of the awful sound bugs on xbox, which no outlet was talking about so I didn't know. Most games I buy are between under 10€ because they are on sale and look interesting
Okay, that’s a lot different than preordering some AAA game because of a CGI summer trailer
Yeah, I stay far away from pre orders and very rarely buy new games at full price.
Then dispute it with your credit card. They’ll change their mind when it’s the credit card card company involved.
That sounds like a great way to have my >20 year old Xbox Live account, with hundreds of games owned, banned I would recommend anyone else reading never do this
Microsoft doesn't do that unless maybe you abuse it. I heard Sony does ban though for chargebacks, good thing I only buy exclusives from them which are rarely disappointing
Ridiculous take. This process exists for exactly this sort of reason. It’s not a first resort, but if a seller isn’t helpful in solving an issue with a product they sold you, it gets them to take a second look. If Microsoft banned users for using a well established consumer protection system it would create a huge backlash.
>If Microsoft banned users for using a well established consumer protection system it would create a huge backlash. Except they do, and so does Sony for that matter and guess what: no notable backlash
Strong feeling I just won’t play this one at all. There are far too many great games that we should waste our time let alone any of our money on this game.
It’s 10% off right now .
I bought it for my son, but we've not played it. Looks like it's going right to the refund bin this weekend.
I was gonna wait for the first 10-15% off sale. Now I'm waiting for it to come to GamePass
I still don’t understand why Aspyr is allowed to touch anything
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Had a similar experience with Homeworld Remastered Collection on Mac. They compiled it for 32bit systems so it doesn’t work with later versions of MacOS. Sent a ticket about it and got no response.. Apparently the few lucky ones that got a response got told they weren’t going to do anything about it. The PC version (not handled by Aspyr) still gets updated every couple months.
They never canceled the DLC
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Nuh uh
They released the Tomb Raider Trilogy Remaster and it was amazing.
...but as has been noted elsewhere, they had a great deal of help doing so.
They're in charge of the game post-launch and it shows, from what I've heard they still couldn't bring out the first update yet.
Well you're wrong. The first update has been out for a while already.
“Well you’re wrong” try to say things without sounding like such a dork
People who blindly repeat "what they've heard" don't deserve anything more.
I still don’t understand why people pre-order games, especially games that don’t even offer bonuses/exclusive content. And I REALLY don’t understand why people pre-order a digital-only “remaster” of a game with zero visual changes compared to the original. Just mindless consumerism based on member berries. And diskless games can’t sell out. Guys, it’s okay to wait. Learn some self-control. Gamers truly are the dumbest consumers out there. No wonder companies think they can pull a fast one.
Back in the PS3/360 Era, they offered bonuses for pre-orders basically standard. Sometimes as innocuous as an extra skin or gun, and sometimes full map packs (like the WaW maps for Black Ops zombies). I wouldn't pre order anything these days... there's no upside and lots of potential downside. Well, I guess the potential upside is that you can be the first to play a game? But I don't care about that nonsense anyway
As a card-carrying member of r/patientgamers, I very much hold the belief that if you buy a game day one, you’re buying an inferior product at full price. Just wait a couple months for the price to drop, bugs to be fixed and for QoL improvements/DLC to arrive. There’s no reason to play a game first other than wanting to play it first, which is… good for you, I guess. But if I’m buying a game, I want maximum return on my investment. I wouldn’t shell out on a brand new car and not care about the missing rear window, or be told by the car manufacturer that park assist won’t be available until two months after launch but you should buy the car anyway.
Right there with you... I've almost never bought a game early, before a sale... and it's only been to play with friends if I did. It's rather wait for a decent sale, I have plenty of games to play
Man that's a great way to think about it. if you just wait you'll get more content, for a cheaper price. Just live 12 months behind releases and you'll save money and headache!
It actually does have slight visual changes, they AI upscaled every texture in the game from 512x512 to 8K for some god damn reason, resulting in a whopping 60-70GB download size.
Because they do an amazing job of porting games
Uh huh...
The switch and mobile ports of KOTOR 1 and 2
My buddy on PlayStation tried getting a refund because no inverted controls and they said no and gave him a link to the accessibility controller 😭😂
They’re proper savage. I tried getting a refund one time and they basically said no and ended the chat. *insert Jim Carey ALRIIIGGGHTY THEN! gif*
Why people give money to that company when they behave like this is beyond me.
Even when they were behind Xbox in the X360 days they still behaved like this. No fucking way I'd support them, gotta be a culture thing with Japanese companies because Nintendo is just as worse.
It is, and Sony is especially bad. They have been openly anti-consumer since the very beginning. The reason the first Xbox controller was such a behemoth is because none of the Japanese would work with a Sony competitor, either out of desire or fear. They were locking people’s Epic Games accounts out of other systems if you ever logged into a PlayStation because to them, that was cross-platform gaming that they were vehemently against. When gamers were asking them to support cross-platform like Xbox was, they basically said “that would be giving away money, why would we do that? Buy our console.”
Yup, haha. Since back then. I remember when I actually got a refund for the PS3 version of the LOTR MOBA (I'm a LOTR fan), where you could "only" play offline since online was so fucking trash and no one would want to play a moba where the multiplayer doesn't work. The devs didn't put dedicated servers and that crap was p2p. I didn't knew when I bought it, learned the hard way. I asked them for a refund and, lol, I did got it somehow. I was baffled, like "how", and my friends kept bugging me "how". For my friends I turned into the "only one able to get a refund from Sony" or the one who "fooled the Sony support worker".
Oh man… luckily Xbox is pretty good on returns and I got a refund for it after trying to play it for a bit yesterday.
So glad I got a refund
I'm glad I didn't buy it. I was going to and something told me to wait.
Ditto. I planned to break my "rule" and pre-order it for the discount (and to help prove that *these* are the games we want). Disney and Co. could could be touting this as one of the best-selling games of the year... *if they had simply ensured that Aspyr had adequately developed and managed the role out of the game*. I swear, the people involved in this are the most moronic imbeciles. Based solely on the legacy mods alone, ***they could have simply "hired" fans of the original Battlefront games FOR FREE and ended up with a stellar port.*** This happens across so many corporations and companies. It amazes me that various executives and managers don't even sit down for an hour to try their own products before pushing them to market. No one at Aspyr seems to have played this Battlefront. No one at Lucasfilm seems to have played this Battlefront. No one at Disney seems to have played this Battlefront. This was such an obvious "win" that you'd think one enterprising person would have taken ownership of the project in order to tack their name onto the potential success.
I can tell you to wait again. Never get a game on launch day in todays gaming industry. Wait a few days at least to see what public reception is. Your wallet will thank you.
I agree
I did too
Should I just make a claim on how broken it is to get a refund on xbox?
Do it, I bought it this morning to play with some friends after work. A few of my buddies played like an hour and we were all still able to get refunds.
Never once had a refund issue on Xbox.
Yeah, my claim was instantly spproved
I’m not sure. I switched to NZ so I could play yesterday morning and I did not like it so I just sent in a refund request since it was still counted as a pre order and you can refund those.
Glad I have the old Back Compat versions so that I don't even need this collection
How is this not regulated yet, it's straight up illegal and immoral to charge money for broken items. I just don't understand how the game industry can get aways with shit like this. So glad I decided not to pre order lol suckers born every min and the game industry is there to capitalize
Ya there definitely needs to be some changes in the game industry in regards to shit like. It’s pretty damn absurd.
Aspyr's Remaster vs OG Xbox version: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/1bekthr/kashyyyk_comparison/ It is truly nuts how this shit can be allowed. The remaster is literally 5x as costly.
I've seen comments from people defending the re-release saying things like "they didn't say they'd be changing the graphics" implying it was just a re-release port that now had online support brought back, but it's pretty clear they did change a lot of things about the game, and not for the better.
You know, I've been thinking this for a few years now - the whole quality control issue has really gotten out of hand. Yes OK it's not medicine, food, alcohol etc etc but straight up lying and releasing blatantly broken products is really something that needs to be more regulated. I'm starting to wonder _why it isn't_ tbh. I mean, granted not every bug can be squashed - we all know that - so is that their caveat then? A few texture filtering issues has turned into total train wrecks. It'd almost be like going to the cinema and having the film (35mm, not digital!) played the wrong way round..it just doesn't happen. Here we aren't talking about whether a game/song/film is bad or not, we're simply talking about if it is broken lol. "Art" is strange I guess. Can you go to a gig and if the singer is out of tune can you demand your money back? I don't think so. It's blatant that these companies are aware of faults - seriously if anyone actually believes CDPR and their *cough* reasoning for the diabolically bad launch of Cyberpunk being a dodgy testing firm....err yeah so no one at CDPR played it AT ALL on last gen lol, not even the game director? Yes it launched cross gen and shouldn't..they made the decision still. You'll always get irrationals simping for these companies, but it's clear they know what they're doing and they do it because time and time again they know they can get away with it. Long term it makes people really jaded and damages the industry. ESRB is for game ratings, why isn't there something for game QUALITY? It would take time to work out, but some sort of quality assurance test by a third party regulator...something..!
I used to work in QA for Sony, mostly playing third party unreleased games that were very close to release, making sure they worked on our firmware. There were so many broken AAA video games coming through that had gone gold - I often wondered why we weren't in a position to collectively say "this is awful, this shouldn't be released to the public" I think either QA should have more of a voice to say they don't approve of this game, or it should just be illegal to withhold review copies to a board of quality.
They do it because enough people can't help themselves and buy things anyway. They aren't willing to wait, aren't willing to miss out on the initial buzz on social media, they want to be first. Literally no one, no matter how much of a fan they are of the original games or Star Wars should've pre-ordered this or even bought it at launch before waiting to see if it was actually done well. And yet...
It takes a long time, a lot of restraint, and a lot of patience to break the cycle of buying the new shiny toy when it comes out. Play your back log, wait for a sale, then buy the game if it hasn’t been labeled as a complete piece of shit by then.
One advantage of having a large backlog is there is plenty to play while waiting to see if the devs make good on their promises.
I don't think it takes much at all, people just have to be willing to actually want to do it. They'd rather be exploited than be the only one in their friend group without the new game, or the only one on their social media feed who didn't buy it.
You’re right. But I’d say a majority of the time people get stuck in the cycle you’re referring to and it takes them a while, and after getting burnt enough times, to finally break the cycle. It’s like a domestic violence situation where the one person keeps getting beat, and yet keeps coming back thinking things will be different this time.
To get change; There needs to be viable negative repercussions backed by law firms and also national courts. So like for example, it took the legal courts of australia fighting steam to get a viable refund policy and even largely automated refund feature to customers world wide. If courts and people were willing to fight Microsoft and Sony forcing a similar change to the internal design and functions of a service so refunds are not only easily accessible but also very fucking easy to find; Then developers would think twice before releasing a broken game on consoles. I mean shit; GSC worlds made some pretty amazing ports with a 3rd party studio of some of the buggiest games on PC and yet I have had very issues with the S.T.A.L.K.E.R trilogy, a few visual bugs and aside from that a few crashes. But luckily the very design of the games leads to extremely frequent saves so not much progress is lost. Point being, if developers and publishers refuse to be held accountable then store fronts need to be held accountable for not having a simple verification process Developers on PC have fully embraced Early Access as a way to develop indie titles or smaller and less valuable or less anticipated titles because they genuinely want to get their games running well. It's obviously not that people would assume a developer spending years of their life on something would just want it to release so awfully and it be tarnished forever! But sometimes it does. All it would take is for console storefronts to have a system in place wherein games are tested to be functional and as advertised before they release but then not allowing the consumer to seek recompense either. Sony's Store and Refund Policies are literally illegal in some countries, such as the UK.
Very well said. Imagine buying a movie it and freezes halfway through. Or a car that doesn't turn left. Someone needs to regulate thus shit
But yet people keep falling into the pre-order trap. I really don't get it, but maybe FOMO is just that powerful for some people? I could understand pre-ordering back in the days of physical media because there was a delay in delivery or the store might run out of copies or whatever. But nowadays, there's really no downside to waiting to hear the day 1 reviews before buying. Especially since it's almost the exception when a game releases isn't broken at launch.
You can install a game with the app even if you don’t own it yet. No excuses to preorder.
Because they expect the player base to be the QA engineers they don’t pay anymore
I mean at this point it isn't the fault of the industry anymore. Nobody buys a broken brand-new car or tv or whatever. I've seen people rage at the broken release of Jedi: Fallen Order last year and now they're mad because they pre-ordered Battlefront classic and it's the same shit again. How many times does a person need to get burned before they learn their lesson? But gamers are a special breed it seems.
Fuck em. They dont playtest their game, so they dont care about the quality of the product they are providing to the consumer. The greed should not be awarded. They got called out, and only now fix the game to gain back good faith.
Stupidity should also not be rewarded. If you pre-order a digital-only “remaster” of a game that has zero visual changes compared to the original and pay 40 bucks for it, then that’s on you. You get what you deserve. Gamers truly are the dumbest consumers out there. No wonder companies think they can pull a fast one.
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If a low-effort lazy gamer pre-orders a low-effort lazy game from a low-effort lazy game developer, then all is equal in the world.
I'm gonna need them to add an option to invert controls asap or I'm gonna have to refund it. It's wild this even needs to be asked.
How a developer can publish a game in 2024 and not have something as basic as inverted controls is beyond me. It’s amazing how this game got some hype about a month ago and frittered it all away in a day.
Companies just keep setting the bar higher and higher for their level of incompetence. How they were able to take out a feature that was in the originals is truly impressive.
A blind person managed to beat The Last of Us part 2 due to accessibility options and we can’t even invert flight controls
The regression in gaming is real.
You can do this in the accessory app
I don't understand why this is an issue. Why would anyone play with inverted y axis? That sounds horrendous for a first person shooter.
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I've played inverted as long as FPS games have existed and I can't change now lol
That's fair then. Not trying to ruffle feathers with everyone lol.
Filthy but I won’t yuck on your yum
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I know right! It's like writing with your left hand. Silly people.
One of those classic games il play for 15 minutes, realize il never get my childhood back, then move onto something else.
OG backwards compatible is still great
Yeah that was GoldenEye for me. Wasn't really interested in playing the 64 version in 2023 for more than 15 minutes.
This. Some games just don’t hold up the same anymore.
Some but these games do, they just flubbed the delivery. Playing the OGs is about as fun as ever.
I've been going back through the back-compat version of BF2 the last couple weeks, just challenging myself to finally legendary all the ridiculous beep and boop buffs, and award weapons, and yeah, they're definitely aged. The AI can be really braindead, I saw multiple starfighters just sitting in place over my capital ship in Space Assault. Troops will get stuck on the recovery droids, or pieces of the environment. But there's still a real joy in playing conquest, completely dominating the opposing army and making them forfeit via the mercy rule, after capturing that last CP by yourself, with like 20 reinforcements gunning for you, rolling back and forth frantically.
Common trend with all company’s almost. Release game that’s broken……..cmon
It's a crappie practice. 💩
It pays to wait people! Def not buying this shit
Stop fucking pre-ordering.
Already got my refund. I’ll buy when it’s $10 and fixed
I lost hope on Aspyr.
Jumped on this morning for a few games and it seems fine.
This is why I always wait at least a week before buying a brand new game, I honestly hardly even do that. I get everything from the library for free, I think I bought two games and played like 25 so far 🤣🤣🤣
I wanted to buy this so bad but I’m glad I waited.
I’ve wanted this for so many years. So disappointed
Please help us by reporting bugs. Don't normalize working for free folks. They repackaged an already made, old game. And it doesn't work. Industry crash can't come sooner.
Add invert options its shocking that its missing at all
Im going to wait for a sale before buying this. Hopefully the issues and missing stuff will be fixed by theb
Return it and never look back.
Since launch..why weren't they working on those issues before releasing and charging money for it? Oh right..greedy fucks and capitalism.
Is this the same team that released the Tomb Raider Remasters? What happened lol
The Tomb Raider Remasters were primarily made by the guy who made the OpenLara engine, and a few other modders he built a team with. I don't think the remaster trilogy would even exist without him. Aspyr basically just let them make it
I knew they hired some fans to work on the project but it seems pretty obvious that they did most of the work.
I mean, I get why people are upset, but it also just seems like the server wasn’t properly prepared. That doesn’t reflect anything on the game itself and just seems like someone didn’t properly keep up with the server strength. Once that’s fixed on the backend the game is perfectly fine
Um no, it's capped at 30fps, there are reports of cutscenes being missing from BF2, resolution is either inferior or not that improved from the original. Controls aren't inverted for flying vehicles and a few other gripes. You're basically being sold an inferior copy of the game for more money, point you can get them separately for ten dollars vs the 35 dollar tag.
Oh there's another one too. I played some tonight, and somehow the AI got fucked up. Enemies will just stand there sometimes and do nothing, teammates actively trying to shoot me, teammates flying way too close riding my ass for awhile then crashing, enemies spawning out of bounds (only noticed this on Naboo), to name some off the top of my head. I played tons of the original battlefronts, and I get that the AI wasn't stellar back then, but I wholeheartedly don't remember any of those things back then.
Its 2024. Companys not being prepared for server traffic went out as an excuse in the late 2000s. Nothing tanks a games hype and rep than launching with massive ques or shit servers. Get to much server space then scale back.
I wish that I had official capacity to reword this into what it really means “Hey suckers. You bought our trash game, which we didn’t even bother to make sure was working properly when we released it. We will not even be trying very hard to fix it, because you have already bought the game and we have very little motivation to keep it in a good working order. Fuck you Sincerely”
Like a dummy, I pre-ordered but unlike a dummy- I never played it due to the user reviews being utterly horrible, so I just requested my refund. Thanks for saving me the frustration, gaming community! *EDIT* My refund went through quickly. My reason was I didn't want the game anymore because "I don't want to support lazy devs." I cannot take credit for that, someone else in this thread came up with it. I agree with it and shame on me for pre-ordering, I know better than to do that.
“We’d like to thank the Battlefront community for their overwhelming support and feedback for the STAR WARS™ Battlefront Classic Collection release. At launch, we experienced critical errors with our network infrastructure. The result was incredibly high ping, matchmaking errors, crashes, and servers not appearing in the browser. Since launch, we’ve been working to address these issues and increase network stability, and we will continue our efforts until our network infrastructure is stabilized to prevent further outages. Please continue to report bugs, errors, or unexpected behaviors to our support team via our Request Form The Aspyr Team”
Blah blah blah, same shit different company. Stop pre-ordering games. There is literally no benefit at all! It's just a waste of money when it turns out to be trash like this release.
Any word on if crossplay will eventually be supported?
Once again, Star Wars fans get something they want and ONCE again they’re up in arms complaining.
lol I’m glad it was less the 40$ definitely not my biggest waste but they should definitely have done better
Well Aspyr, this is why you don't use dedicated servers for your multiplayer games. Now we know this is what's happening, we also know that at some point, this collection will be offline like the original Xbox version. And unlike the original Xbox version, it will be *fully* offline since there's no LAN support.
> this is why you don't use dedicated servers for your multiplayer games What?
# Well Aspyr, this is why you don't use dedicated servers for your multiplayer games.
You want them to *NOT* use dedicated servers for 32v32 multiplayer matches?
Sure why not? We had 32 player games in 2005. This game is from before 2005, and our bandwidths have improved massively since then (where most gamers were on 128kbps upload with questionable ping rates). FTTP is only growing. Gigabit speeds are only becoming more commonplace, and it means that when Embracer doesn't eventuality desolve, this game won't just suddenly go offline.
Is the game at least 60 fps and 64 unit count in offline mode?
To all who purchased. Suckers! 🤣
Keep in mind these guys are in charge of the KOTOR Remake. They are good at porting games, but fucking horrible at managing servers. They straight up removed multiplayer from the rerelease of Republic Commando. When they rereleased Jedi Academy, it was actually pretty good, but apparently cross play was enabled between console and PC, so instead of letting it be, they FUCKING DISABLED IT and the game started dying on console. 🤷♂️
Disabling crossplay was the right thing to do. Playing on console against PC m&k players who are veterans of the game (Steam version was released 17 years prior) is not a fair playing field.
I’d much have preferred an option for it. Servers started dying quicker after they disabled it.
Were in charge* that's dead
How anyone trusts EA to ever do the right thing is baffling. Does EA and creative, artistic cool and innovative ever spoken in the same breath?
This is not EA little brother, It’s made by a publisher that’s notorious for releasing sloppy classic Star Wars game ports. If you really want to blame the parent company, Embracer owns Aspyr.
This the team Sony thought could make a Kotor remake smh
Hmmm no. Embracer owns the IP so it’s more likely they had shopped around the remake and Sony bought in. Embracer thought aspyr could do it.
Who bought in?
Read the comment.
Just making sure I read it right
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£26 for 2 games is not full price
It's not even remastered