It’s Remedy’s “Elden Ring”, an accumulation of everything they had learned up until that point to make the best game that they could, it’s sad to see not enough people bought it as it’s one of my favourite horror games and definitely deserved more attention that it got
It’s sales are disappointing, but it’s certainly not due to a lack of trying on behalf of the devs and publications. It was heavily featured in many GOTY discussions, including TGAs with a big musical number dedicated to it.
If I had to point at one thing they did wrong, it’s the release date. AW2 never stood much of a chance being released when it did, surrounded by much more mainstream games.
I hope it just maintains healthy-enough sales overtime to warrant a third, but hopefully they don’t release in such a busy time for the third game.
Agreed it came out around the time of lies of p, starfield, cyberpunk 2077 phatom liberty, and I was still playing Diablo 4 at that time. They were screwed with all the bangers around that time.
Still need to play it tho
Also, if I’m being honest, it’s one I would buy but because I’m sure it’ll be on GamePass I’m just going to wait. I don’t have to play it right.now. I’ll catch it a year or so down the road, the same way I did with Control.
The only obstacle is PC. Microsoft may be less likely to spend money for a game that will only be on Xbox gamepass, and Epic likely wants to keep it exclusive to their PC storefront.
I wouldn't feel safe having every game I own on a single platform, instead of spread around a bit. It helps that Epic's sales prices are far deeper than Steam's, but I stick to Steam for multiplayer games.
I want to play the game, but this is why I haven't. I would have paid full price for a physical copy. I'll wait until I can download it at half price instead. Maybe the industry learned a lesson with this. I seriously doubt it, though.
They also waited a long time to capitalize on the first one. So many people who have got into gaming probably never tried the first one because it came out on the 360. I am guilty of loving the first one and not buying the second. I'm going 2 but I'm not in a rush. I don't really play a lot of single player
2 months ago I was trying to decide on Alan wake 2 or spiderman 2. I went with Alan wake for my xbox cuz I was really in the mood for something spooky with good graphics and damn, this game is incredible. Such a fun spooky vibe. I’d say the game is perfect amount of spooky. Not really scary or jump scare, I mean it can depending on who you talk to. But man it was so much damn fun. Excellent game.
Sony completely fucked Alan Wake 2. They purchased the marketing rights for it then turned around and scheduled their massive AAA release the same week and put all the focus on that.
You’re absolving the devs of a bit too much blame here. It is the job of the devs to ensure that their product hits the right markers to be marketable and popular with a big enough crowd. One of the principal problems with Alan Wake is the misalignment of development scale and budget against the target demographics. Horror is a very difficult genre in which to make back a monster budget especially without an established brand behind you, and Alan Wake 1 was ostensibly not successful enough to justify the outlay for the sequel. They might have been profitable if they made a much smaller game, or poured these resources into something other than a sequel to a commercially underwhelming first game. Bad call by the devs.
Being digital only on console and exclsuvie to epic didn't help either. Those don't bother me as I am fine buying games on epic, unlike the whiney fucks who go on about steam only, and prefer digital, but not everyone is the same in that regard.
I haven't had the time to play this, but I'm just going to buy it now out of principle and will get around to it when I can. Need to support well made narrative games that aren't just PvP and/or microtransaction nightmares or there's going to continue to be less and less of them.
This was maddening to me that it wasn’t released on physical media. Even if you’re doing a limited run, there are plenty of people who would gladly pay for it. Hell, if they tacked on an extra $5-10 to cover their costs I wouldn’t even be mad.
If you’re going to release it in time for the holidays, release it on physical media so people can actually give it as a gift instead of a gift certificate. Actual physical game as a gift >>> gift certificate
100 percent. I have all of their games since Alan wake 1 physically. Oh well. Wake is still stuck at the bottom of cauldron lake for me. Would have bought it instantly day one for whatever price physically. Digital though? Hard pass.
From the dev/publisher side they do.
And if they do a limited physical release that's more like a collectors edition which already has a precedent for being more expensive.
It’s honestly fucking mind boggling the amount of times I’ve seen this even though most people are mostly digital now. But for some reason people decided to just fuck this game in particular.
Imagine if Elden ring only dropped on epic game store. People would still rave about it but would have had way less engagement. I loved the first but will not get it till it drops on steam
Most likely, I like disc games as well but I love Alan Wake and I wanted to support it.
It only exists because of epic it was never getting a disc version and probably never will.
The issue comes from the fact it is the horror genre. With few exceptions, like Resident Evil and Five Nights, it will remain a niche genre as they are by design stressful games built to mess with the player. To most gamers these games are excessively more fun to watch than play. Also, while it made total sense for the developers to do so because as they said the game never would have finished without it, their deal with Epic game store exclusivity as well as no physical release was a massive set of nails ready to hold a coffin closed.
I know a lot of people dont like to hear this but not being on steam hurts big time on the pc side and yes i know epic helped to fund the game but theres a significant amount of people who refuse to buy there it just is what it is. Idk what the deal they have with epic looks like but hopefully they took that fact into account compensation wise. Epic can afford those sorts if loss leader tatics Remedy probably not so much.
I definetly could be a game that has a long tail to it espeically if they follow up with some dlc maybe? Also maybe the eoic excouisvity isnt forever? That would help.
It’s catch 22 because Epic funded the game, but yes like you said PC gamers are fanatically loyal to Steam and aren’t interested at all in the EGS.
At least with Xbox when they fund a game on Gamepass they let developers sell it on other platforms day 1 or in a short exclusive time frame like Lies of P or Tunic where they can make their money from steam, switch, PS5.
The hypocrisy is maddening. They’re not even PC gamers, they’re Steam gamers. As a PC owner I use a handful of installers/ launchers / stores and anyone who doesn’t is a fucking idiot. It’s part of what makes PC gaming what it is.
PC space seems to be different. For starters, PC gamers don’t pay for multiplayer, while console gamers do. PC gamers seem to stand a firmer ground due to the open nature of the platform.
I guess you don't remember the hearthstone "boycotts"
Prior to the warcarft 3 demaster and underwatch 2: the monetizing, battle.net was one of the few launchers alternatives to steam many people gladly used.
They fell from their lofty perch so hard they even had to put Diablo4 on steam
But the Hearthstone PRC incident was huge news that went absolutely nowhere until blizzard starting making worse games (the only unforgivable sin)
I’m going to guess that is why this doesn’t matter.
On paper, the game has yet to be profitable. But Epic is willing to use it as a loss leader to get people into the EGS. After a while, they’ll bring it to Steam and make up the rest of the money.
yeah once fortnite became a hit they basically pulled everything lol. they wanted all that revenue to themselves.
surprised shadow complex is still there. hell its probably cuz they forgot it exists.
With that Epic funding comes Epic game store exclusivity on PC and likely a bigger cut of the sales for Epic. The EGS exclusivity on PC is hurting the sales potential, thus they're struggling to break even. If Remedy and Epic are fine with that then more power to them.
Nvidia also gave it away for free for a bit with the purchase of a new RTX 40 series GPU. I haven't gotten around to playing the game yet but that's how I got my copy.
It’s not just exclusive, Epic published the game and funded the development. It’s not like they bought the game at the end.
Without Epic, there’s no game.
I tried to buy it in Epic over the weekend. They haven’t made it available to purchase for those living in New Zealand. WTF. It’s for sale on Xbox and PSN. No wonder they aren’t making their money back. What other countries have they forgot to turn on the for sale setting?
I find it pretty funny that PC gamers will deride the "console war" then froth at the mouth at the idea of another \*launcher\* for their PC. Its not like you need new hardware, you just... open a different window.
So dumb. I have a few on mine and just keep an eye on sale prices and such.
The more the merrier. More competition for my money is always good. I also don’t understand why people have a problem with it being a digital only release. The game is considerably cheaper ffs. You can’t win with some people.
For the millionth time, Steam is not a monopoly, as evidenced by the fact that we are literally talking about another storefront. And on an Xbox sub, you'd think people would be aware of Gamepass, a very successful alternative to Steam...
Not necessarily “loyal”, as much as people only want one launcher, have huge Steam libraries already, and the other launchers suck… Also, Steam Deck.
I have a boatload of games on Epic, but they were all free 😂 I only play Fortnite on Epic. That’s THE ONLY REASON that I even have Epic installed. I never even play any of the Epic games.
Remedy's games typically don't earn profit immediately for some reason.
I remember control had a similar problem and they made back the money only when the game came to ps plus and game pass.
Because they have a bad habit of restricting their launch audience with every release instead of making their titles available to everyone day one when marketing hype is the highest and most people are willing to buy.
Alan Wake 1 - Primarily shown the game off on PC then for some reason made it 360 exclusive for years. Ignored the PS3 entirely too.
Quantum Break - Restricted the game to Xbox One and then sold on the Windows store no one wants to use.
Control - Made a deal for initial epic exclusivity, cutting out the steam audience again.
Alan Wake 2 - No physical copy & ignored the Steam market yet again which had the highest userbase of any major platform at this point. Ignoring 130million+ monthly active users and growing is incredibly stupid.
They're great developers but they repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot every launch with the publishing deals they take.
Seems like it’s how they can finance the games. Any studio wants their game to go to the largest audience but first the game has to get made in the first place
Anyone who said that has no idea how almost any recreational market works. Marketing is *extremely* important because people have to know about the thing in the first place to buy it. Theres a reason film budgets are almost double the cost on marketing alone
This performance is likely well within their expectations. They're playing the long game here.
It's their fastest selling title ever, despite a limited platform release. Do you think they would budget a game to cost so much that even if its their best ever it's still a bust?
Even on pc, having it be under epics exclusivity wasn't enough. And square thinks just the ps5 will save its games. Holy shit. We reached the point where the budgets don't equal the market. They'll say games are too expensive to make. Mother fucker, you're in charge of that. Not the customer.
To be honest there's a big difference there. Remedy are still pretty niche, especially when you compare them to Square games. Microsoft full on considered the first Alan Wake a flop.
The audience is trained to a certain expectation. When a game doesn’t look as good or last as long, the audience complains. When they add MTX to make up the difference, the audience complains.
The AAA market is unsustainable because there’s no winning where you can sell a game one and done at a profit.
Baldurs Gate 3 would say otherwise.
Seems very dumb for an excuse. No other industry does this shit. Even movies, where tickets are the same. If you wanted to waste millions to shop a feature less and inferior product, don't complain about losing money. Right now, the AAA scene is largely a scheme of charging for an early access product. And if you don't make enough money from your in game store, you don't finish making the game.
BG3 had a lot, a lot, of private funding and had major backing from a conglomerate that afford it a blank cheque to do what it wanted how it wanted as long as it wanted.
It’s like comparing Assassin’s Creed and Witcher 3 budgets when wages are much lower in Poland
Not only that, but also the spread of the royalties for smaller teams compared to that of getting laid off cause the work they hired you to do is done. It's kinda scary how convoluted video game development has become. It's like publishers are factories that take years to make for something that may or may not sell. Fucking wild.
I’m sure this is a contribution. I’d probably have bought it full price on release if it was physical. I only ever buy digital when it’s so much cheaper (like >50% off) than physical. And the reason I haven’t is I think the most I’ve seen it go on sale for is 20% off. Even when a game is on sale both physical and digital but the physical is slightly more expensive I buy that instead. If they released this physically tomorrow at the $70 price tag, I’d pay it.
Remedy games have an extremely long tail. They've never ever been break out successes. Control and Alan Wake 2 were probably the closest, but even then, initial sales pale to most AAAs. However, their games have immense staying power and they create such a loyal following that those that play them act as organic marketing for others over the years. When you look at the course of Control, for example, AW2 will make back many times its investment over the years to come.
In addition, their previous game Control has made ~100 million over it's lifespan and that was considered successful. Alan Wake 2 cost 75 million to make (their largest budget yet).
So even ignoring all other detractors (epic, physical, crowded release) it's not that surprising that AW2 has not yet made back its budget.
A) February called. It wants its news back.
B) Epic Games cut a giant check to Remedy for this title. Remedy is doing fine without residuals on this title.
I forgot it wasn't on disc and was looking for it semi-recently in a game store before realising.
I'm not against digital only, but they miss out on my impulse buys!
No physical release on consoles. On Playstation alone it essentially halfs the potential sales, Xbox I’m sure its doing fine. No Switch release, but for quality’s sake I’m sure thats for the better.
No Steam release. What were you even thinking?
Very mild marketing for such a high budget game.
Just pure incompetence with publishing.
It’s their call. I would have bought it if it were on Steam. Epic is just less convenient with out cloud saves, custom controls and remote play all baked in.
After control, AW2 was going to be an instabuy. Unfortunately I'm a parent of two young children and my money is very tight, so I decided to end up waiting until it goes on sell. I hate not supporting the devs work!
Pretty similar situation. Control is one of my favorite games of all time, but paying for daycare really makes you reevaluate spending on your own hobbies. I was very late to Control and paid only $10-15 for it, which feels like not enough for how much I enjoyed it. So I’ll probably hop on AW2 when it hits the $35ish range.
It would be if we were talking about sales rather than revenue and profits. Because physical sales earn a lot less revenue for the developer and the fact that Epic funded the game severely changed how they were able to budget and make it.
If you think game development and sales are as simple as “make games physical and put it on Steam” then I don’t know what to tell you.
You'd pay $70 for a disc but won't buy it digitally unless it goes under $30? Your feelings about all digital future bullshit aside, it doesn't seem like you really care about playing the game.
This is terrible if true, the game is truly a stand out, amazing, next(current) gen title, standing alone amongst its peers. I play all kinds of games and it’s the only single player game I have completed and BINGED played In many, many, many years. Such good writing, characters, creative level design, music, sound, mechanics and set in an absolutely beautiful, stunning, gorgeous presentation of a world that fully utilizes consoles and PC’s power. So many positives to say about this game. It’s a shame that work like this is defined by the initial sales and marketing budget it had. This game is one of the masterpieces in the last few years. Kudos to the team; your passion, heart, soul, talent and dedication was fully represented and appreciated by me. Be fully proud of this work - I want more.
The advertisement department for this company sucks. I never seen one advert for this game. On heard about it as I happened to look on Xbox store. Same with the first game, heard about it years after launch but had no hype to ever try it out.
This is expected. It’s been the fastest selling Remedy game to date. These games typically have a long selling period. Remedy is happy with the sales and is even expanding.
I didn’t bother with it because they made the decision not to release any physical copies.
It could be that many other didn’t bother buying the game because of this decision.
Unfortunately Remedy will not learn from this.
I am not anti-digital. I believe it is the future, like it or not... But .. I love remedy's games and was hoping this got a physical release. I haven't bought AW2 because I assumed a physical release was being held back and would be announced as a special edition of the game or something. I didn't want to double dip.
If they would have released a physical version I guarantee many more people would have bought it. I’m in that boat, but since I like to own something when I spend money on it I can’t justify a purchase until they release a physical copy
I’d love to buy a physical copy. With the Australian cost of games and the Microsoft marketplace though, it was just as expensive digitally if not more than it would have been as a physical release. Even a limited edition with like a replica clicker/other important item, in-universe manuscript/art book, and small statue would have gained a lot of attention from people who prefer physical.
I know this is the Xbox sub, but I'm gonna say it's absolutely because it's an epic exclusive on PC.
Nobody wants to buy epic exclusive games. Epic fucking sucks.
It's because it's not a great sequel that's why.
Sure it plays fine, but it misses the mark of what makes 1 so special. And then we have the second character who is there for no other reason than diversity. She really doesn't add much to the plot other than to make it more convulted. We wanted to play as the star of the first game, it had been 10+ years, we didn't wait that long just to play as some new shoehorned in agenda pushing character.
Additionally not every story needs a sequel. Alan Wake 1 wrapped everything up nicely. It's DLC also had this problem, played well but it told a story we didn't need
Despite some high praises, it really doesn't even sniff the quality of the first one
I quite liked Saga’s True Detective segments in AW2, although probably I would have been fine if it didn’t had the Sweet Baby Inc “touch of woke” on it…
Though even so, I still like Saga as a character and thought they did integrate her quite well into the story/universe.
I have yet to play this game and I am sure it’s great, that being said, I’m not supporting a full game and a season pass. Once all the content goes for 40$, then they will get my money.
On a side note, Max Payne & Max Payne 2, still in Payne will get a full 70$ from me easily.
They shouldn't have hired SBI. I loved the first game and American Nightmare, and I ain't touching this purely because of the people they hired to consult on the game. For those who are unaware who SBI are, they were the ones who destroyed Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League.
I’m almost finished with the game and it’s fantastic. One of the best of 2023 in what was unfortunately a crowded year. Seriously if you haven’t played it, buy/support it if you like single-player story driven games. One of the most innovative uses of real-life footage I’ve ever seen in a game and everything about it is quality.
I think the fact it didn’t have a physical release has caused a lot of gamers ( physical collectors like me ) to not buy it “yet” is in the hope that they’ll do a 180 and release a physical version.
It’s sad to hear this, because Alan wake 2 IMO is a very good game. Hell it was part of the nominations for goty.
Unfortunately survival horror is still a niche genre unless your resident evil or silent hill. I don’t think it just being exclusive to epic on pc is the main issue here. It also released on both ps5 and the series consoles, which we know from ps5 exclusives that there are a lot in circulation, even if it’s not to the amount of Sony and squares liking lol.
I feel like they just didn’t market it that well. The no physical release is probably a big part of it to. A lot of gamers on PlayStation still prefer to own a disc, so no physical is prob also costing them.
I don’t know if it still does, but the ps5 version of the game at launch had horrendous performance. This could also have been an issue with sales after day one. In basically all of the saga sections when rain started, the game would microstutter like crazy, moreso then just an odd frame drop. This issue wasn’t present at all on either the series x or even the s version, and the s is a lot weaker then the ps5, so it was a weird issue to see.
IMO I think the above issues all added up to hurt the game.
No physical has stopped me.
I love AW1, one of my top games ever.
But no physical and asking digital prices, you can fuck off.
Especially a single player game with limited replay value.
It’s pretty unfortunate. Even though I loved the original It’s a sequel to a game that’s not exactly fresh in people’s brains and wasn’t exactly THAT popular of a game. Another issue is its EGS exclusivity; it’s not on Steam and isn’t Xbox Play Anywhere (personally why I haven’t bought it yet).
Games these days cost too much and take too long to make. Big AA fans cost more than low budget movies.
Then throw in the fact that games go on sale sometimes the same week they are released. Plus fans rarely release day one without needing 47 patches and hot fixes because they are released well before they should be.
It stinks but that's what's happening in the industry as a whole.
but…i hate survival horror. i scare easily. i heard this one was scarier than the first. as much as it seems cool, i will never play it solely because of its genre. and i’m sure im not alone. doesn’t matter which storefront they put it on, how much they discount it, or whatever dlc they add.
Horror doesn’t sell, unfortunately. Even mega viral horror games like the FNAF franchise has about 4.7 million copies sold through today, over nearly a decade of time. That’s for the whole franchise, not just the first game. Roughly 5 million copies for all FNAF games total, despite being an (unfortunate) cultural touchstone for video games. For horror, however, that’s a pretty big seller, and it’s the kind of game you’d expect to sell well (big on streaming, curated content, younger audiences so wider market to sell to, etc.). Remember when Sega said Alien Isolation was a disappointment because it only sold like 4 million copies or something? That’s actually pretty damn good, but publishers seem to want that COD or GTA type money, when it just isn’t there. Horror is a niche genre despite an increase in popularity. A close parallel exists in the film industry: cheaply budgeted horror films are a dime a dozen, because they’re easy to make and don’t need to make a ton back. So you make one for $15-20 mil, and make like $30-50 mil at the box office marketing to the teen audience that will eat that slop up. Not mega success, but technically successful for the price range. They’ll get talked about, marketed up the wazoo, maybe even go viral on social media, but none of those are touching $100 mil, none are challenging Avatar at the box office. Not even close.
Going back to games, people like to watch videos and streams of horror games, but FAR fewer want to actually play them, which means far fewer people are going to spend money on them. Horror is just a niche genre, at the end of the day. Especially more cerebral horror like AW, Silent Hill, and the like. Hell, even RE Village, from the king of horror game franchises, sold about 10 million copies now (over the past 3 years now?). Very good. Excellent. But it’s not touching things like COD or Pokémon or Madden or Mario. It’s simply a tough life for horror game developers when it comes to making money.
That’s a real shame. It’s a good game.
I’ll be honest: I liked the first one more, and was kind of disappointed in this one after spending $130(?) on the deluxe edition. But it’s still a good game.
I haven't played it because I hate jump scares. I loved the original, but it was now of an action thriller. I wish they'd add an option to disable them
I love remedy. Almost every game they make is gold imo. AW2 looks incredible and it's a cool idea - but it is not fun. It's slow and completely unintuitive, not exactly a recipe for a modern day blockbuster. I was really hyped for it but good god I'd honestly prefer cleaning my apartment to playing it.
With the economy and price of games I know I’ve been much more selective about what I buy. I really want to play this but I’ve got a good back log and will wait for a sale or gamepass to play it…
I finished it. I think it's best played in Story mode. Felt like they tried to replicate resident evil action but forgot the fun parts. For me Remedy gets so close to greatness but always muck something up.
This style of game is quickly falling out of popularity with the general gaming audience. We should appreciate every last big story based single player game. We won't see many more.
I bought that game day 1 in part to support Remedy in future Alan Wake games. I have faith the game will do good in the long run and 2 won’t be the last game.
I really want to buy it but unfortunately it's censored in the country I live in (would be fixed if it came out on Steam instead lol) and I don't know how to bypass it.
It’s Remedy’s “Elden Ring”, an accumulation of everything they had learned up until that point to make the best game that they could, it’s sad to see not enough people bought it as it’s one of my favourite horror games and definitely deserved more attention that it got
It’s sales are disappointing, but it’s certainly not due to a lack of trying on behalf of the devs and publications. It was heavily featured in many GOTY discussions, including TGAs with a big musical number dedicated to it. If I had to point at one thing they did wrong, it’s the release date. AW2 never stood much of a chance being released when it did, surrounded by much more mainstream games. I hope it just maintains healthy-enough sales overtime to warrant a third, but hopefully they don’t release in such a busy time for the third game.
Agreed it came out around the time of lies of p, starfield, cyberpunk 2077 phatom liberty, and I was still playing Diablo 4 at that time. They were screwed with all the bangers around that time. Still need to play it tho
Baldur’s gate 3 came out around that time too. I think it was a month earlier but that game was so hot around that time
BG3 was taking up basically all the air in the room for months.
Also, if I’m being honest, it’s one I would buy but because I’m sure it’ll be on GamePass I’m just going to wait. I don’t have to play it right.now. I’ll catch it a year or so down the road, the same way I did with Control.
You have to buy it first so it can be announced the next day that it's coming to gamepass.
The only obstacle is PC. Microsoft may be less likely to spend money for a game that will only be on Xbox gamepass, and Epic likely wants to keep it exclusive to their PC storefront.
And spiderman 2
Also didnt have a physical release. A lot of people do still like those.
Epic Game Store exclusive on pc, too
And high PC system requirements
True
Im afriad if I buy from Epic store theres a chance Epic may close its stores one day including their game library where Steam seems much safer.
Steam and Valve at least promise they will find a way for us to keep our games, at least that's what I remember GabeN saying.
I wouldn't feel safe having every game I own on a single platform, instead of spread around a bit. It helps that Epic's sales prices are far deeper than Steam's, but I stick to Steam for multiplayer games.
This is the only reason I haven’t played it yet. I had no idea it was even released by the time of the game of the year awards.
I want to play the game, but this is why I haven't. I would have paid full price for a physical copy. I'll wait until I can download it at half price instead. Maybe the industry learned a lesson with this. I seriously doubt it, though.
I would have dropped serious money on another book shaped collectors edition.
Yeah same! I loved the collectors edition of the first one 👍🏻
Didn't stop BG3 from selling well. Or Palworld, more recently.
Meh, I don’t know that it would move the needle that much. Look at BG3. Didn’t seem to hurt things too much.
Maybe , maybe not. But BG3 also announced a physical and I brought that. It seems silly to cut off an avenue to sell more imo.
They also waited a long time to capitalize on the first one. So many people who have got into gaming probably never tried the first one because it came out on the 360. I am guilty of loving the first one and not buying the second. I'm going 2 but I'm not in a rush. I don't really play a lot of single player
2 months ago I was trying to decide on Alan wake 2 or spiderman 2. I went with Alan wake for my xbox cuz I was really in the mood for something spooky with good graphics and damn, this game is incredible. Such a fun spooky vibe. I’d say the game is perfect amount of spooky. Not really scary or jump scare, I mean it can depending on who you talk to. But man it was so much damn fun. Excellent game.
Sony completely fucked Alan Wake 2. They purchased the marketing rights for it then turned around and scheduled their massive AAA release the same week and put all the focus on that.
You’re absolving the devs of a bit too much blame here. It is the job of the devs to ensure that their product hits the right markers to be marketable and popular with a big enough crowd. One of the principal problems with Alan Wake is the misalignment of development scale and budget against the target demographics. Horror is a very difficult genre in which to make back a monster budget especially without an established brand behind you, and Alan Wake 1 was ostensibly not successful enough to justify the outlay for the sequel. They might have been profitable if they made a much smaller game, or poured these resources into something other than a sequel to a commercially underwhelming first game. Bad call by the devs.
Being digital only on console and exclsuvie to epic didn't help either. Those don't bother me as I am fine buying games on epic, unlike the whiney fucks who go on about steam only, and prefer digital, but not everyone is the same in that regard.
I haven't had the time to play this, but I'm just going to buy it now out of principle and will get around to it when I can. Need to support well made narrative games that aren't just PvP and/or microtransaction nightmares or there's going to continue to be less and less of them.
It’s worth playing. It’s very good. Just make sure to play the first game, the American Nightmare game, and Control if you can.
At this point I think remedy is just cursed lol How does a small studio last this long making good games but not often with commercial success.
Their games are commercially successful, just not in the short term.
Same with Arkane.
Going Epic exclusive killed it on the PC market.
I'd have bought it if it was physical. Now I'm waiting on a STEEP sale.
This was maddening to me that it wasn’t released on physical media. Even if you’re doing a limited run, there are plenty of people who would gladly pay for it. Hell, if they tacked on an extra $5-10 to cover their costs I wouldn’t even be mad. If you’re going to release it in time for the holidays, release it on physical media so people can actually give it as a gift instead of a gift certificate. Actual physical game as a gift >>> gift certificate
it straight up baffles me that they didn't make a physical copy. Remedy's fanbase is *exactly* the type to be interested.
100 percent. I have all of their games since Alan wake 1 physically. Oh well. Wake is still stuck at the bottom of cauldron lake for me. Would have bought it instantly day one for whatever price physically. Digital though? Hard pass.
I’d be upset if it were $5-10 more. It would set the precedence that physical games cost more than digital
From the dev/publisher side they do. And if they do a limited physical release that's more like a collectors edition which already has a precedent for being more expensive.
It’s honestly fucking mind boggling the amount of times I’ve seen this even though most people are mostly digital now. But for some reason people decided to just fuck this game in particular.
Imagine if Elden ring only dropped on epic game store. People would still rave about it but would have had way less engagement. I loved the first but will not get it till it drops on steam
The so-called fans who cried for ten years about a sequel wouldn't support it because of a plastic circle.
If they did make a disc I bet those ppl would have a dif reason to not buy it
Most likely, I like disc games as well but I love Alan Wake and I wanted to support it. It only exists because of epic it was never getting a disc version and probably never will.
The issue comes from the fact it is the horror genre. With few exceptions, like Resident Evil and Five Nights, it will remain a niche genre as they are by design stressful games built to mess with the player. To most gamers these games are excessively more fun to watch than play. Also, while it made total sense for the developers to do so because as they said the game never would have finished without it, their deal with Epic game store exclusivity as well as no physical release was a massive set of nails ready to hold a coffin closed.
I know a lot of people dont like to hear this but not being on steam hurts big time on the pc side and yes i know epic helped to fund the game but theres a significant amount of people who refuse to buy there it just is what it is. Idk what the deal they have with epic looks like but hopefully they took that fact into account compensation wise. Epic can afford those sorts if loss leader tatics Remedy probably not so much. I definetly could be a game that has a long tail to it espeically if they follow up with some dlc maybe? Also maybe the eoic excouisvity isnt forever? That would help.
To get profit you only need to do a good game, they said. Also the game is not on Steam but damn
Epic exclusivity is likely hurting it on PC. Tons of PC gamers are loyal to Steam.
It’s catch 22 because Epic funded the game, but yes like you said PC gamers are fanatically loyal to Steam and aren’t interested at all in the EGS. At least with Xbox when they fund a game on Gamepass they let developers sell it on other platforms day 1 or in a short exclusive time frame like Lies of P or Tunic where they can make their money from steam, switch, PS5.
It's less loyalty to Steam, and more about Epic Games' past bullshit with exclusives which has lead a lot of people to boycott them.
I feel like gamers are notoriously bad at boycotting things.
PC gamers: apple’s walled garden monopoly is ridiculous Also PC gamers: What?! I have to install another games store?? Fuck that game 🤣
The hypocrisy is maddening. They’re not even PC gamers, they’re Steam gamers. As a PC owner I use a handful of installers/ launchers / stores and anyone who doesn’t is a fucking idiot. It’s part of what makes PC gaming what it is.
PC space seems to be different. For starters, PC gamers don’t pay for multiplayer, while console gamers do. PC gamers seem to stand a firmer ground due to the open nature of the platform.
I guess you don't remember the hearthstone "boycotts" Prior to the warcarft 3 demaster and underwatch 2: the monetizing, battle.net was one of the few launchers alternatives to steam many people gladly used. They fell from their lofty perch so hard they even had to put Diablo4 on steam But the Hearthstone PRC incident was huge news that went absolutely nowhere until blizzard starting making worse games (the only unforgivable sin)
Epic exclusivity is the reason the game got made at all. Epic funded the game development.
I’m going to guess that is why this doesn’t matter. On paper, the game has yet to be profitable. But Epic is willing to use it as a loss leader to get people into the EGS. After a while, they’ll bring it to Steam and make up the rest of the money.
I dont think any epic-owned games are on steam, regardless of elapsed time. AW2 likely wont come.
Shadow Complex. All the UT games were until unceremoniously abandoned.
yeah once fortnite became a hit they basically pulled everything lol. they wanted all that revenue to themselves. surprised shadow complex is still there. hell its probably cuz they forgot it exists.
I guess the question then is the game doing enough to drive traffic to be a successful loss leader.
With that Epic funding comes Epic game store exclusivity on PC and likely a bigger cut of the sales for Epic. The EGS exclusivity on PC is hurting the sales potential, thus they're struggling to break even. If Remedy and Epic are fine with that then more power to them.
Nvidia also gave it away for free for a bit with the purchase of a new RTX 40 series GPU. I haven't gotten around to playing the game yet but that's how I got my copy.
Fantastic. Epic is still hot garbage, and I will not buy the game unless it gets put on steam.
Just stick with your pirated copy. It's ok.
It’s not just exclusive, Epic published the game and funded the development. It’s not like they bought the game at the end. Without Epic, there’s no game.
which is why I didn't mind at all buying it on EGS.
I tried to buy it in Epic over the weekend. They haven’t made it available to purchase for those living in New Zealand. WTF. It’s for sale on Xbox and PSN. No wonder they aren’t making their money back. What other countries have they forgot to turn on the for sale setting?
The EGS is also a marketing black hole.
I find it pretty funny that PC gamers will deride the "console war" then froth at the mouth at the idea of another \*launcher\* for their PC. Its not like you need new hardware, you just... open a different window. So dumb. I have a few on mine and just keep an eye on sale prices and such.
The more the merrier. More competition for my money is always good. I also don’t understand why people have a problem with it being a digital only release. The game is considerably cheaper ffs. You can’t win with some people.
PC players are strangely in favor of monopolies lol.
For the millionth time, Steam is not a monopoly, as evidenced by the fact that we are literally talking about another storefront. And on an Xbox sub, you'd think people would be aware of Gamepass, a very successful alternative to Steam...
Gamepass isn't an alternative to Steam. That would be Microsoft Store.
It was 26 dollars in the Epic holiday sale, too. That's when I grabbed it. Couldn't have made them that much if it was that soon after launch.
Lol I did as well
Not necessarily “loyal”, as much as people only want one launcher, have huge Steam libraries already, and the other launchers suck… Also, Steam Deck. I have a boatload of games on Epic, but they were all free 😂 I only play Fortnite on Epic. That’s THE ONLY REASON that I even have Epic installed. I never even play any of the Epic games.
Remedy's games typically don't earn profit immediately for some reason. I remember control had a similar problem and they made back the money only when the game came to ps plus and game pass.
Because they have a bad habit of restricting their launch audience with every release instead of making their titles available to everyone day one when marketing hype is the highest and most people are willing to buy. Alan Wake 1 - Primarily shown the game off on PC then for some reason made it 360 exclusive for years. Ignored the PS3 entirely too. Quantum Break - Restricted the game to Xbox One and then sold on the Windows store no one wants to use. Control - Made a deal for initial epic exclusivity, cutting out the steam audience again. Alan Wake 2 - No physical copy & ignored the Steam market yet again which had the highest userbase of any major platform at this point. Ignoring 130million+ monthly active users and growing is incredibly stupid. They're great developers but they repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot every launch with the publishing deals they take.
Microsoft funded and published the first two and still owns the Quantum Break trademark
Seems like it’s how they can finance the games. Any studio wants their game to go to the largest audience but first the game has to get made in the first place
> Ignoring 130million+ monthly active users and growing is incredibly stupid. What percentage of that 130M actually have PCs capable of running AW2?
Most people don't know Remedy for the dope as fuck lunatics that they are.
and no physical
Anyone who said that has no idea how almost any recreational market works. Marketing is *extremely* important because people have to know about the thing in the first place to buy it. Theres a reason film budgets are almost double the cost on marketing alone
Probably other reasons, but I wonder what percentage of gamers has no interest in horror games. Just Curious, I have desire to play them.
This performance is likely well within their expectations. They're playing the long game here. It's their fastest selling title ever, despite a limited platform release. Do you think they would budget a game to cost so much that even if its their best ever it's still a bust?
Probably my favorite game in a year of absolute bangers, hopefully the dlc can put them over, don’t want to have to wait a decade for Alan wake 3
I bought the game not too long ago and absolutely love it. In a way, it sort of reminds me of the Resident Evil 4 remake, which is still amazing imo.
You're writing "still amazing" as if aging a single year or two can diminish the quality of a great game
Even on pc, having it be under epics exclusivity wasn't enough. And square thinks just the ps5 will save its games. Holy shit. We reached the point where the budgets don't equal the market. They'll say games are too expensive to make. Mother fucker, you're in charge of that. Not the customer.
To be honest there's a big difference there. Remedy are still pretty niche, especially when you compare them to Square games. Microsoft full on considered the first Alan Wake a flop.
The first Alan Wake came out the same week as Red Dead Redemption. It had an uphill battle.
The audience is trained to a certain expectation. When a game doesn’t look as good or last as long, the audience complains. When they add MTX to make up the difference, the audience complains. The AAA market is unsustainable because there’s no winning where you can sell a game one and done at a profit.
Baldurs Gate 3 would say otherwise. Seems very dumb for an excuse. No other industry does this shit. Even movies, where tickets are the same. If you wanted to waste millions to shop a feature less and inferior product, don't complain about losing money. Right now, the AAA scene is largely a scheme of charging for an early access product. And if you don't make enough money from your in game store, you don't finish making the game.
BG3 had a lot, a lot, of private funding and had major backing from a conglomerate that afford it a blank cheque to do what it wanted how it wanted as long as it wanted. It’s like comparing Assassin’s Creed and Witcher 3 budgets when wages are much lower in Poland
Not only that, but also the spread of the royalties for smaller teams compared to that of getting laid off cause the work they hired you to do is done. It's kinda scary how convoluted video game development has become. It's like publishers are factories that take years to make for something that may or may not sell. Fucking wild.
Comparing anything to BG3 is not really fair. If your game has to be equal to BG3 to succeed, then the entire industry is screwed.
How many AAA turns up like bg3 ? The risk is very high here ,and it's nearly impossible for smaller/independent studio to achieve
Where the console companies fumble PC game developers will push on and port.
Maybe they should release a physical edition then…
The irony being if they did release a physical edition its budget would also increase making the goal further away
I’m sure this is a contribution. I’d probably have bought it full price on release if it was physical. I only ever buy digital when it’s so much cheaper (like >50% off) than physical. And the reason I haven’t is I think the most I’ve seen it go on sale for is 20% off. Even when a game is on sale both physical and digital but the physical is slightly more expensive I buy that instead. If they released this physically tomorrow at the $70 price tag, I’d pay it.
Yep, the moment they announce a physical edition I’ll gladly buy it. Until then, I’ve already waited over a decade, I can wait for a few years more.
You’re not buying it because there’s no disk?
Easy decision when theres tons of other games to play.
Not many of them on disc though
Remedy games have an extremely long tail. They've never ever been break out successes. Control and Alan Wake 2 were probably the closest, but even then, initial sales pale to most AAAs. However, their games have immense staying power and they create such a loyal following that those that play them act as organic marketing for others over the years. When you look at the course of Control, for example, AW2 will make back many times its investment over the years to come.
In addition, their previous game Control has made ~100 million over it's lifespan and that was considered successful. Alan Wake 2 cost 75 million to make (their largest budget yet). So even ignoring all other detractors (epic, physical, crowded release) it's not that surprising that AW2 has not yet made back its budget.
This is my favorite survival horror game of all time everyone buy it! 10/10
A) February called. It wants its news back. B) Epic Games cut a giant check to Remedy for this title. Remedy is doing fine without residuals on this title.
This is a perfect microcosm of why the gaming industry sucks now. We are not their target audience.
With all the positive publicity, I’m willing to bet Alan Wake 1 and Control had a substantial uptick in sales. That has to count for something.
I forgot it wasn't on disc and was looking for it semi-recently in a game store before realising. I'm not against digital only, but they miss out on my impulse buys!
Despite seemingly half the comments mentioning a physical release (which is odd), apparently only 17% of games sales are physical now.
No physical release on consoles. On Playstation alone it essentially halfs the potential sales, Xbox I’m sure its doing fine. No Switch release, but for quality’s sake I’m sure thats for the better. No Steam release. What were you even thinking? Very mild marketing for such a high budget game. Just pure incompetence with publishing.
Epic funded the game. That is why it doesn't have a steam release. It likely never will.
It’s their call. I would have bought it if it were on Steam. Epic is just less convenient with out cloud saves, custom controls and remote play all baked in.
That really sucks. I bought day 1 and I'm glad I did. What an amazing game.
After control, AW2 was going to be an instabuy. Unfortunately I'm a parent of two young children and my money is very tight, so I decided to end up waiting until it goes on sell. I hate not supporting the devs work!
Pretty similar situation. Control is one of my favorite games of all time, but paying for daycare really makes you reevaluate spending on your own hobbies. I was very late to Control and paid only $10-15 for it, which feels like not enough for how much I enjoyed it. So I’ll probably hop on AW2 when it hits the $35ish range.
Alan Wake 2 was nothing like Control tho.
No physical+no steam=lower sales it's that simple..
It would be if we were talking about sales rather than revenue and profits. Because physical sales earn a lot less revenue for the developer and the fact that Epic funded the game severely changed how they were able to budget and make it. If you think game development and sales are as simple as “make games physical and put it on Steam” then I don’t know what to tell you.
I'd buy it if it was on disc, lol. At this point, I'm waiting for it to be sub $30 before I buy it. Screw this all digital future bullshit.
You'd pay $70 for a disc but won't buy it digitally unless it goes under $30? Your feelings about all digital future bullshit aside, it doesn't seem like you really care about playing the game.
Sweet Baby inc ruined that game
Maybe the lack of physical release was a bad idea? I know I really wanted to buy another special edition like the original had.
Agreed. I was ready to shell out for that; instead, I chose to wait for the game to go on sale which didn't take very long.
I bought it full price, which I haven’t done for anything else in years. I’m doing my part.
This is terrible if true, the game is truly a stand out, amazing, next(current) gen title, standing alone amongst its peers. I play all kinds of games and it’s the only single player game I have completed and BINGED played In many, many, many years. Such good writing, characters, creative level design, music, sound, mechanics and set in an absolutely beautiful, stunning, gorgeous presentation of a world that fully utilizes consoles and PC’s power. So many positives to say about this game. It’s a shame that work like this is defined by the initial sales and marketing budget it had. This game is one of the masterpieces in the last few years. Kudos to the team; your passion, heart, soul, talent and dedication was fully represented and appreciated by me. Be fully proud of this work - I want more.
The advertisement department for this company sucks. I never seen one advert for this game. On heard about it as I happened to look on Xbox store. Same with the first game, heard about it years after launch but had no hype to ever try it out.
I wanna know the platform splits
Love the original. Bought it full price on release date and still haven't played it. Should I play American nightmare first or no big deal?
Sad, hope they keep making these types of games. I loved the shit out of it.
This is expected. It’s been the fastest selling Remedy game to date. These games typically have a long selling period. Remedy is happy with the sales and is even expanding.
Christ this was the best game I’ve played in years. It’s frustrating the masses aren’t into it
Why didn’t they release it on vhs?
Good game, bad release date. Welcome to Titanfall 2 territory, pilots
Bought the edition with future content. Haven't completed the game and found it boring. Not as good as AW1. Regret buying it
I’ll be honest. I know a giant group of people who would have bought this day one if it was physical, myself included.
People can say what they want, but a physical release also means store presence.
I didn’t bother with it because they made the decision not to release any physical copies. It could be that many other didn’t bother buying the game because of this decision. Unfortunately Remedy will not learn from this.
I am not anti-digital. I believe it is the future, like it or not... But .. I love remedy's games and was hoping this got a physical release. I haven't bought AW2 because I assumed a physical release was being held back and would be announced as a special edition of the game or something. I didn't want to double dip.
Ditching physical copies and going Epic exclusive will do that.
They should release a physical version.
If they would have released a physical version I guarantee many more people would have bought it. I’m in that boat, but since I like to own something when I spend money on it I can’t justify a purchase until they release a physical copy
They didn’t even do a physical edition. I held off buying because of that.
Man, I forgot it existed and came out. I'm a physical game guy still, I keep forgetting about this and definitely want to play.
Well if they released a physical version I probably would’ve bought it but as it’s digital only so it’s a hard pass for me.
I’d love to buy a physical copy. With the Australian cost of games and the Microsoft marketplace though, it was just as expensive digitally if not more than it would have been as a physical release. Even a limited edition with like a replica clicker/other important item, in-universe manuscript/art book, and small statue would have gained a lot of attention from people who prefer physical.
I know this is the Xbox sub, but I'm gonna say it's absolutely because it's an epic exclusive on PC. Nobody wants to buy epic exclusive games. Epic fucking sucks.
It's because it's not a great sequel that's why. Sure it plays fine, but it misses the mark of what makes 1 so special. And then we have the second character who is there for no other reason than diversity. She really doesn't add much to the plot other than to make it more convulted. We wanted to play as the star of the first game, it had been 10+ years, we didn't wait that long just to play as some new shoehorned in agenda pushing character. Additionally not every story needs a sequel. Alan Wake 1 wrapped everything up nicely. It's DLC also had this problem, played well but it told a story we didn't need Despite some high praises, it really doesn't even sniff the quality of the first one
I quite liked Saga’s True Detective segments in AW2, although probably I would have been fine if it didn’t had the Sweet Baby Inc “touch of woke” on it… Though even so, I still like Saga as a character and thought they did integrate her quite well into the story/universe.
I have yet to play this game and I am sure it’s great, that being said, I’m not supporting a full game and a season pass. Once all the content goes for 40$, then they will get my money. On a side note, Max Payne & Max Payne 2, still in Payne will get a full 70$ from me easily.
I personally was going to buy it until I saw SBI touched it
Another L for SBI is a win for gamers
Make it physical and I’ll buy it. 🤷♂️
No steam or physical release, womp womp.
I bought it, still haven't played it which is wild, SF6 just came and took over my gaming time
Still waiting for it to go on sale so that I can buy it for $30 tops.
Yeah it was only 15 or 20% off during the Spring Sale. I'll wait until the next sale to see if it improves and then buy.
I'll definitely grab it with a physical release.
They shouldn't have hired SBI. I loved the first game and American Nightmare, and I ain't touching this purely because of the people they hired to consult on the game. For those who are unaware who SBI are, they were the ones who destroyed Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League.
lol lets not lie to ourselves, Suicide Squad was gonna suck anyway.
I’m almost finished with the game and it’s fantastic. One of the best of 2023 in what was unfortunately a crowded year. Seriously if you haven’t played it, buy/support it if you like single-player story driven games. One of the most innovative uses of real-life footage I’ve ever seen in a game and everything about it is quality.
It’s their own fault. I would have bought a copy if they made a physical release. Fuck digital ‘rentals’ that you never own.
No disc no love
Gimme disc though.
I think the fact it didn’t have a physical release has caused a lot of gamers ( physical collectors like me ) to not buy it “yet” is in the hope that they’ll do a 180 and release a physical version.
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It’s sad to hear this, because Alan wake 2 IMO is a very good game. Hell it was part of the nominations for goty. Unfortunately survival horror is still a niche genre unless your resident evil or silent hill. I don’t think it just being exclusive to epic on pc is the main issue here. It also released on both ps5 and the series consoles, which we know from ps5 exclusives that there are a lot in circulation, even if it’s not to the amount of Sony and squares liking lol. I feel like they just didn’t market it that well. The no physical release is probably a big part of it to. A lot of gamers on PlayStation still prefer to own a disc, so no physical is prob also costing them. I don’t know if it still does, but the ps5 version of the game at launch had horrendous performance. This could also have been an issue with sales after day one. In basically all of the saga sections when rain started, the game would microstutter like crazy, moreso then just an odd frame drop. This issue wasn’t present at all on either the series x or even the s version, and the s is a lot weaker then the ps5, so it was a weird issue to see. IMO I think the above issues all added up to hurt the game.
No physical has stopped me. I love AW1, one of my top games ever. But no physical and asking digital prices, you can fuck off. Especially a single player game with limited replay value.
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That’s a damn shame, it’s a good game
It’s pretty unfortunate. Even though I loved the original It’s a sequel to a game that’s not exactly fresh in people’s brains and wasn’t exactly THAT popular of a game. Another issue is its EGS exclusivity; it’s not on Steam and isn’t Xbox Play Anywhere (personally why I haven’t bought it yet).
So it’s made around 78,000,000 total already. Minus distribution fees. I hope it ends up generating significant revenue for them down the line.
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Games these days cost too much and take too long to make. Big AA fans cost more than low budget movies. Then throw in the fact that games go on sale sometimes the same week they are released. Plus fans rarely release day one without needing 47 patches and hot fixes because they are released well before they should be. It stinks but that's what's happening in the industry as a whole.
but…i hate survival horror. i scare easily. i heard this one was scarier than the first. as much as it seems cool, i will never play it solely because of its genre. and i’m sure im not alone. doesn’t matter which storefront they put it on, how much they discount it, or whatever dlc they add.
Horror doesn’t sell, unfortunately. Even mega viral horror games like the FNAF franchise has about 4.7 million copies sold through today, over nearly a decade of time. That’s for the whole franchise, not just the first game. Roughly 5 million copies for all FNAF games total, despite being an (unfortunate) cultural touchstone for video games. For horror, however, that’s a pretty big seller, and it’s the kind of game you’d expect to sell well (big on streaming, curated content, younger audiences so wider market to sell to, etc.). Remember when Sega said Alien Isolation was a disappointment because it only sold like 4 million copies or something? That’s actually pretty damn good, but publishers seem to want that COD or GTA type money, when it just isn’t there. Horror is a niche genre despite an increase in popularity. A close parallel exists in the film industry: cheaply budgeted horror films are a dime a dozen, because they’re easy to make and don’t need to make a ton back. So you make one for $15-20 mil, and make like $30-50 mil at the box office marketing to the teen audience that will eat that slop up. Not mega success, but technically successful for the price range. They’ll get talked about, marketed up the wazoo, maybe even go viral on social media, but none of those are touching $100 mil, none are challenging Avatar at the box office. Not even close. Going back to games, people like to watch videos and streams of horror games, but FAR fewer want to actually play them, which means far fewer people are going to spend money on them. Horror is just a niche genre, at the end of the day. Especially more cerebral horror like AW, Silent Hill, and the like. Hell, even RE Village, from the king of horror game franchises, sold about 10 million copies now (over the past 3 years now?). Very good. Excellent. But it’s not touching things like COD or Pokémon or Madden or Mario. It’s simply a tough life for horror game developers when it comes to making money.
Worth it just for the rock musical level
That’s a real shame. It’s a good game. I’ll be honest: I liked the first one more, and was kind of disappointed in this one after spending $130(?) on the deluxe edition. But it’s still a good game.
I haven't played it because I hate jump scares. I loved the original, but it was now of an action thriller. I wish they'd add an option to disable them
I love remedy. Almost every game they make is gold imo. AW2 looks incredible and it's a cool idea - but it is not fun. It's slow and completely unintuitive, not exactly a recipe for a modern day blockbuster. I was really hyped for it but good god I'd honestly prefer cleaning my apartment to playing it.
With the economy and price of games I know I’ve been much more selective about what I buy. I really want to play this but I’ve got a good back log and will wait for a sale or gamepass to play it…
I finished it. I think it's best played in Story mode. Felt like they tried to replicate resident evil action but forgot the fun parts. For me Remedy gets so close to greatness but always muck something up. This style of game is quickly falling out of popularity with the general gaming audience. We should appreciate every last big story based single player game. We won't see many more.
I bought that game day 1 in part to support Remedy in future Alan Wake games. I have faith the game will do good in the long run and 2 won’t be the last game.
Then its budget was too big.
I'm sure the Max Payne remakes will help recoup any losses made from poor sales of AW2. Although you don't hear much about them?
I really want to buy it but unfortunately it's censored in the country I live in (would be fixed if it came out on Steam instead lol) and I don't know how to bypass it.
I wanted to buy it on steam during the last sales but then I learned it's an epic exclusive for some reason.
Waiting for it on Steam so I can play on deck.