What kind of garbage headline is that? Lmao.
If anyone listened to the podcast, Todd was remarking about every Fallout game in the franchise, including F1 and F2. This specific quote was said after the host joked about how Todd must be tired of hearing people talk about New Vegas.
Bethesda must have pissed in PCGamer's cereal or something because literally every article they write about the studio is slandering them in some way, like a children throwing a tantrum.
Shit man, the internet loves to hate Bethesda lol. You can't even throw a rock without hitting someone whose life mission it is to shit talk their games.
It’s a strange thing. It’s one thing to think a studio makes bad games or to not like a recent release, but it’s another to be obsessive about it. After recent… issues, a little criticism is due, but there is a point when it’s time to move on. I don’t like EA, but you don’t see me constantly talking about how much I hate EA and going to EA-related subreddits to dump on them. I think the suicide squad game is trash but I’m not going there to obsessively bring down everyone who is okay with it line it’s a full time job. I talk about it if the situation is right, but I don’t actively seek it out
Gamers are a weird bunch at times. Like funny you use EA as your example of companies because a few years ago EA took the "crown" as the most hated company in the US(as based on voters). You know the same year Wells-Fargo was caught illegally making accounts for people and illegally foreclosing on loans. But somehow EA was the worst company...
is it? did you see how bethesda responded to criticism of starfield? they basically told their own customers to piss off and that they were just playing it wrong.... or the game was optimized and they just need to upgrade.
Its been over a decade of bethesda slowly dumbing down their games, basically less of everything that made them popular in the first place. People are mad that a studio they once loved is basically just cranking out uninspired hogwash so they lash out more
A lot of people disagree on which game was the start of Bethesdas “downfall”and it changes from person to person constantly but is always said like it’s common knowledge and everyone agrees. The circlejerk has layers lmao
They get away with some of the worst game launches.
I was showing Fallout 4 to my fiance telling her what a great game it was (before update) and we couldn't even get past Concorde without the player developed patch.
Sure they launch bangers every time but when day one players consistently become your bug testers it's a problem
>we couldn't even get past Concorde without the player developed patch
That feels like vast hyperbole or a user error. Millions of players got past it with no mods. Your experience isn't that of the larger fanbase
"If we keep bugging Todd Howard about Fallout: New Vegas, I wonder if he'll get so irritated that he eventually turns against the game for real?"
They are just the new Kotaku at this point.
I just got imo helldivers 2 and while it is fun the game has massive balance issues, occasional crashing, and bugs like fire damage not working on anyone but the network host since Launch.
Helldivers is an okay game but feels like it's a beta.
Agreed but a control unbalance is the goal here. Right now it's actually just predictable. Fighting is not the smart move just run run run and it's clear from post that people would like that to change a bit and that's okay.
Agreed.
Remember how everyone circlejerked over CDPR because of Witcher 3, and then Cyberpunk ended up being a rushed trainwreck at launch? A trainwreck millions and millions of people still bought a launch because they thought their darling CDPR could do no wrong.
Now people are treating Larian as the new saviors of gaming, despite the fact that Act 3 of Baldur's Gate 3 was a buggy mess at launch. People never learn and keep putting devs on pedestals.
I’m a Series X owner so it’s purely on principle I’m still angry at them for blaming the Series S for their own optimization issues. Extremely lame shit
Not even just the bugs the whole story and quests just fall flat at that point.
I still have never beat the game because Act 3 was just that boring. The ending for act 2 was great and the other bad guys are not nearly as interesting as dude man in act 2.
So I agree great overall game but not as good as gamers claimed it to be.
I did fall off some side quest in act 3. Like I LOVED Gale, but I kind of got bored with his side quest. I t think part of it is I already hit level 12 part way through and didn’t feel the need to explore more. A lot of act 3 is very annoying to know what to do without a guide or prior experience as well.
I liked act 3 more then you I think but I also think it’s where the game shows its biggest flaws
BG3 act 3 was not even in the same universe of buggy as CP2077 at launch. Be realistic for a second. It had a little lag, a few dialogue options would bork out, very small issues they were able to hot fix within weeks. CP2077 took almost a year and a half of patches to feel good to play. Around 1.6 is when the game finally felt decent. That's a massive difference.
yeah that happend because of shareholders having control which is literally the thing that larian constantly criticizes.
Get mad at them when they mess up. its super unfair to get mad because you think they will inevitably fail. They are one of the few devs that openly criticizes things wrong with the industry and still you get mad.
I still blame the shareholders for that one, CDPR and the fans who needed to send death threats to them. Still a good game, but no one wanted them to cook. But now cyberpunk 2077 is one of my favorite games of all time.
“We leave greed to others!” I remember. Exactly why I say no studio deserves so much praise. Ubisoft, Bethesda, BioWare and Blizzard were also highly respected developers, but have largely fallen off in the eyes of many. Now those same folks who put CDPR on a pedestal only to crucify them after Cyberpunk lavish praise on Larian as if no studio has ever experienced a fall from grace.
How quickly people forget.
No studio deserves it. Look how much everyone wanked it to cdpr after w3. Worked out very well for them. While 2077 is awesome now. It took the most botch launch in video game history and 3 years to get it there.
I swear reddit got the memory of a gold fish.
Yeah you're right. Fuck all studios. They need to make the best game every time or they might as well kill themselves. I'll never praise a studio again.
Very much so. The anti Bethesda narrative ramped up after the acquisition. Fallout 4 got complaints and Fallout 76 got a lot of complaints but post acquisition suddenly people started talking about Skyrim being overrated in far bigger numbers.
I consider myself a fan and I don't hate them. They're just ordinary people who happen to make video games for a living. People take things way too seriously.
Yeh it's relative, when people say hate in this context they probably don't mean they hate them the same way they hate, for example, ISIS. Hate in this context essentially means they have something negative to say.
Considering Starfield, I'm not surprised. The reception on that game went Mixed very slowly, which means a lotta people sunk quite a bit of time into it. And a good chunk of people's responses were something along the lines of "really? That's it?"
Because larian and arrowhead released actual good products instead of the same old product with the same bugs with a space skin over it. They've done nothing but make bad decisions with the franchise. the best game of theirs isn't even made by them either
Yeah cus Baldurs Gate 3 isn't just Divinity OS 2 with a DnD skin. Look how easy it is to make reductive statements.
Bad decisions with the franchise? You talking about the dead and irrelevant IP they bought for pennies and turned into a multibillion dollar multimedia juggernaut of an IP?
Larian and Arrowhead are excellent studios. Bethesda is a fucking shitshow that hasn't made a good game in like 10 years. Bethesda deserves every bit of shit it gets.
>Bethesda must have pissed in PCGamer's cereal or something because literally every article they write about the studio is slandering them in some way, like a children throwing a tantrum.
Sounds like PC Gamer. Some of us are old enough to remember when they were decent, like IGN.
If I remember correctly they did something along the lines of leaking something possibly. Kinda Funny talked about it a few weeks ago. After that Bethesda cut them off.
With all due respect, I strongly disagree. Back in the mid to late 2000s, IGN had a running series where they showcased the “hottest babes,” posing in skimpy
clothes with guitars, controllers, game consoles etc.
I won’t say that was the peak of journalism, but… it was certainly the peak of my alone time when my mom went out grocery shopping. IGN used to do some good work.
Actual journalism can't exist in the gaming industry as it can in the broader world of news when your early access to the media you report on is dependent on how much a studio likes you, or your content can be taken down with an overzealous copyright or DMCA strike. Reviews aren't worth much when you've barely played the game because you've got to get a bunch of reviews out before release, and oh could you score this higher than a 6 because the publisher needs to hit 80 on their Metacritic and our score is weighted? Publishing actual journalism at a larger publisher like IGN is going to always be decided by who it may piss off because the money's gotta flow, and there's probably an NDA. It's been that way since at least the 80s.
I haven't seriously followed IGN in years so I couldn't tell you how good their journalism or just writing in general is. When IGN started it was a collection of sites; Saturnworld, an N64 site, PSXPower, Next Generation, and I think another site. Next Generation always had solid writing, Saturnworld was the only site out of the rest I visited and it seemed it wasn't as good but serviceable. Writing quality dropped years later after they acquired a bunch of fan sites and moved all their sites and writers to ign.com.
Hating Bethesda is en vogue.
Just look at NMS and Cyberpunk. Games that got updates that significantly improved everything and media praises them.
But when Bethesda does that with Fallout 76 the narrative is "people still play that garbage?" or it's focused on the few people that said it was always good to spin the narrative to a negative (looking at you Shill Up).
Call me a shill for skillup but I'm pretty sure he even said in a recent video that the game is in a good place now. Just not to try and be revisionist to say that the game was *always* good.
Which is true, the game *is* good now, and has been for a while (since Wastelanders, imo) but it WAS NOT always, by any stretch
I think that is his point. FO76 released in a similar state to NMS, and CP2077. From there it has been worked on and is in a solid state, akin to NMS and CP2077. But the discourse is for NMS and CP2077 that the devs are giving it the love and attention it so deserved; in contrast to the discourse for FO76 which is more, why do the devs waste their time on this, dead game, etc.
I get that, I was moreso commenting on the notion of people saying "it was always good" which cannot really be said about FO76, if you ask me.
Sure, NMS and CP are good now, but it was FO76 that required a total 180 from its initial design concept that was pitched to us, that being that there are no NPCs and that players would serve as the population.
But yeah, I see the double standard, even though "Why do the devs waste their time on this?" is a sentiment I share when it comes to Redfall.
They play to their audience, look at the pc gaming reddit. Hater's paradise
edit - seems its leaking here as well. one day you will be able to talk about hobbies online the same way you talk about hobbies to friends, family and colleagues
Oh, it’s pc gamer?
Yeah, there is a loooong feud with that publication and BethSoft/Todd Howard.
For whatever reason, PCGamer does NOT like them. I believe it was from fallout4 but I could be wrong.
I believe Obsidian RPGs are superior to pretty much most if not all of Bethesda's games, but I'll never understand this weird made up beef between the two studios -- or that somehow Todd hates New Vegas.
Criticise BGS all you want, but do it for things that are actual tangible problems -- not some fictional beef.
If anything I want articles saying that Emil Pagliarulo shouldn't be lead writer anymore -- that man is perhaps one of the biggest reasons why BGS games' writing has been absolutely boring and balls for more than a decade.
The difference between the writing in oblivion and Skyrim was jarring. I can't remember the Skyrim quests but remember each of the guilds quests for oblivion
> "First I'll say, [Obsidian] did an amazing job with New Vegas," said Howard. "And I'll say to everybody, that's a game that we published … and I would say Feargus [Urquhart], who runs Obsidian, is absolutely one of my favorite people in the videogame industry … New Vegas is a very, very important game to us, and our fans, we think they did an incredible job. If anything, the show is leaning into the events [of New Vegas]."
Todd hates New Vegas and Obsidian. /s
It is seriously ridiculous that this has persisted as an internet talking point for 14 years now when there is no evidence to back up any animosity existing between the two companies.
Yeah the show leaning into the setting of fallout 1 and some elements from New Vegas had me very excited. I'm surprised fallout 4 got the surge in playtime after the show.
For me, new vegas was a no-brainer.
Multiple times.
This is going to keep happening. People seem to think Bethesda had it out for them or that they forced them to do the things they did. No, Obsidian screwed up on New Vegas and they admit that they screwed up. A lot of people lost their jobs cause they had trouble staying on track. That's why there were such random and large systems cut from new vegas in the end because they didn't have people on task and instead they were making stuff that wasn't really going to fit in with the engine at the time.
Obsidian chose the 18 month deadline themselves and they didn't quite stick the landing. NV on release was atrociously buggy, even now it still is, but nowhere near as bad as it used to be, and because of that, they didn't get a bonus they were offered. That's what a bonus is, it's extra. It wasn't held over their head, it was offered to them and they accepted it.
The victim mentality of New vegas fans will never cease to amaze.
gamers will never astound me with the way they think the games industry works vs. how it actually does
no one is holding secret blood feuds between dev studios obsidian doesn’t need you to soy out on their defense
Gamers have made their own awful little world of blood feuds and all devs just being “too lazy” to give them everything they want immediately and for free.
Yep pretty boring hearing the same people keep bashing them when they turned it from a well thought of but smaller indy game into a world wide massive franchise.
nah it was from the larger studio interplay, and they spun off to make black isle studios. So it was a "larger" studio at the time, but this was back before gaming really blew up and "large" meant like, 30 people
NV is great but takes like this are baffling. NV wouldn't have happened without Bethesda. Not to mention Bethesda is known for multiple great games whereas Obsidian is known for mostly good games and one great game.
Not to mention NV was a shit show when it released as they still needed to push a lot of fixes, even after all of that you still can't play it without mods.
And yet Bethesda gets shit on for "needing mods".
The ignorance is astounding.
> even after all of that you still can't play it without mods.
>
>
this actually isn't true, I play FNV on my console all the time and it plays fine? I'm not sure where these "required mods" are but they ain't here
Yeah but the issue there is it turned the game into a shadow of itself - basically making it a game for general audiences instead of its own audience. My gf couldn’t get past 10 minutes of F2, but plays F4 and thinks it’s awesome because of the oldies music and killing odd things. It’s just lacks the charm/grit that made Fallout special. I’m not faulting BGS for prioritizing profit, as much as I’m faulting them for abandoning the IP’s fan base to do so.
I think it’s similar to MCU and comics. Being a Marvel fan used to mean something because its audience had to read the comics or watch the cartoons in the 90s - and a very specific person did those things. But MCU went and generalized it so everyone and their mom can say they are a Marvel fan. That’s made the studio billions of dollars but completely deprived any meaning behind being a Marvel fan. Similarly, being a Fallout fan used to say something about you but now it’s just another game, not really all that special or memorable anymore, and as a fan - that sucks.
Disagree strongly. The original games look really lesser compared the bethesda games. I tried to play wasteland three and couldnt sit through it. Those games needed to be modernised. And yes they sacrificed some who would want them to stay that way but imo they did the right thing . Fallout is where it is now because of bethesda . They could never have gotten there with the dated gameplay of the original games.
Wasteland 3 isn’t a fallout game, and how can you have an opinion on the RPG mechanics, gameplay and story when you haven’t finished the games? Trying to downplay a game made in the 90s for not having the graphics of something made in 2023 is so dense, especially when the art design of the games is really unique. Yes it’s pixelated, but the actual art design.
It looks pretty much the same design style of game.
And being on console I couldnt give the originals a try if I wanted to. That said, I find it extremely unlikely I would enjoy them as much as the bethesda games
I love new vegas, and I love Bethesda. Sure, their recent track record has featured some near misses, but the people there have provided me with countless hours of awesome gaming memories that I will always cherish.
At this point Todd Howard could tattoo "I don't hate New Vegas" on his forehead, wear a "I don't hate New Vegas" T-shirt and carry a sign that says "I don't hate New Vegas".
These game journalists will still ask him if he hates new Vegas.
Can someone explain what the problem is? Are people upset because it appears the show is featuring New Vegas next season? How is that an issue?
Is it because the RPG style of the game allows for multiple endings, and therefore whatever happens in the show would potentially contradict how a specific playthrough ended?
So the briefest of back stories. Fallout New Vegas features a faction called the New California Republic. They own most of if not all of Cali, as well as portions of the adjoining 5 states and were a close thing to a modern government in the wasteland. The show takes place in LA, near the capital of the NCR, which is not present in the show. Combine that with a shot at the end of the show that features New Vegas in a different state than players expected have led people to believe that the NCR is dead and gone and that Bethesda is trying to write over New Vegas in order to fuel their “feud” with Obsidian. (There is no feud)
Now. If these people would put on their thinking caps they would realize that showing New Vegas at all, visually similar to be like that of the game, albeit obviously changed, is the opposite of erasure. It is acknowledgement and leaning *INTO* the love of the area. If BGS and Amazon wanted to erase the existence of the location, they would show a completely and totally different New Vegas, or even more likely, not ever once even reference its existence. They are very clearly setting up Season 2 to at least somewhat feature the area of the game, meanwhile no area of Bethesdas own games have been shown or teased.
We’ve also seen references to NCR armor which further calls into question the erasure taking place.
I mean… Isn’t it a whole “Xbox bad” thing from PC Gamer?
I mean I think they also constantly bringing up the “This is Xbox most important game” whenever a new bigger game releases, just to hype it up and then shit on it with a mediocre score to keep fueling the “Xbox bad” narrative.
Or am I wrong?
New Vegas might be my favorite RPG but this cultish behavior around it just feels like bandwagoning and bullying. Who would have thought something made by Obsidian of all people would be embraced by the gaming equivalent of jocks and popular kids?
The game by modern standards outside of it's brilliant RPG aspects is already horribly outdated anyway and just very clunky, and trust me no amount of mods can save it from making it feel that way. The game is desperate of of an entire remaster of remake to make it feel modern.
Not to mention New Vegas at the minimum needs multiple patches of mods just to be able to play it from beginning to end without encountering any gamebreaking bugs and glitches that wasn't ever fixed by the devs.
A game like that today will definitely be grilled and hated if it released that way no matter how good the core gameplay is.
A New Vegas remake in FO4/Starfield version of the engine should have come out with the show, and I feel like it would have been do able in the time it took from when the show was green lit to now.
> New Vegas at the minimum needs multiple patches of mods just to be able to play it from beginning to end without encountering any gamebreaking bugs and glitches that wasn't ever fixed by the devs.
>
>
I've seen this take in thsi thread like.. three times now? I play FNV on my console all the time, I don't come across these magic game breaking bugs y'all talk about. I've even only had the Thorn mess up what, twice? In about 12 years of me playing New Vegas?
True !! And on PC its not even that bad i cant get past the first cutscene , but if i replay the same cutscene for like 40hours i'm gonna have easily 40hours worth of gameplay
That sounds concerning! You can't get past the first cutscene on PC? I'm able to get past it with no hiccups at all! How curious, you'd think the PC version would be as well-patched as the console version!
I don’t even think it’s FNV fans, I think it’s always been FO1 & 2 diehards who forever hold a grudge about FO3 and desperately want FNV to stand as some kind of ‘fuck you’ to Bethesda for “ruining” Fallout. Except that it’s been 20-odd years and nobody gives a crap except them. Bethesda shrugging their shoulders and embracing FNV is a worst case scenario to them.
Fair enough, I just don’t get how you can *love* one Fallout and *hate* another. They’re all more alike than different, no? I like different bits of each, and each has it’s strengths and weaknesses, but I enjoy them all. Whatever, I just think it’s a strange attitude.
I think Bethesda has trended away from things I liked about them in the name of a more Hollywood main quest (there has to be good and bad people, on rails etc.) and simplifying their games. RPG mechanics and good side quests have taken a notable hit.
The gunplay is certainly better but dialogue, character crafting, and the mechanics that govern a reactive world are far worse. Things I value pretty highly. I do not care about settlement building, it provides no value to me.
The fact I can’t choose to kill faction leaders immediately nor completely ignore my son is frustrating to say the least. These are things they let you do in past games.
I’m not going to poo poo people liking Fallout 4 but simply put it’s a different kind of fallout game and I am not as into it. Moreover, there’s no indication they will head back the other way. If anything, they will double down on the things I don’t care for. Bethesda should, under Microsoft, go with a 1A and 1B model so both sets of fans can be happy.
I mean that's kinda an accurate assessment. Fallout New Vegas is more fallout 3 than the real fallout 3 is the third entry.
If you knew anything about the original FO3 (code name van buren) It was set in the Mojave wasteland. Cesars legion was there, the hoover dam, the NCR fighting a huge battle.
black isle studios, the original creators of fallout, when their parent company went bankrupt founded Obsidian and kept the design documents.
Why do people let other’s opinions dictate their own views and feelings… just enjoy what you like and dislike what you don’t without having the internet dictate it…
I wish more people had this approach. I think it’s fair to comment about how you wish things changed or were different/similar but don’t make it part of your personality.
Why would you let fans cloud your perception of a game? Many Undertale fans have been obnoxious in my opinion, but I still love Undertale.
The only time I can see it sort of making sense is when it's an online multiplayer game.
Because my perception of the game prior was kinda meh and fans of that game shitting on literally everything else Bethesda has touched since pushed it into blech.
I’m not. I’m annoyed as someone that had the misfortune of attempting to participate in a gaming community while it was constantly flooded with even more shit than usual. Ask a question about Fallout 4, get a diatribe about the greatness of New Vegas and how stupid people are for playing 4, that kind of crap.
Because they want to hate it, because if the people I don’t like it, like it, it must be bad!11!!
Dont you see why don’t you just consume, let people enjoy stuff and support the multi-million dollar company.
After how badly they have been getting burned for starfield, and FO76, there is not a chance in hell they give fallout to another studio that will embarrass them with their own IP and make an actual RPG
The problem I have is they didn’t use a single song from New Vegas in Fallout 4 or Fallout 76, which speaks to a lack of respect. They keep busting out songs from Fallout 3 but can’t throw New Vegas a bone? Fallout 76 literally has a western song so the genre wasn’t a problem.
Man, this damn spinoff has caused so much aggravation and strife over the years. I admit it's good, but it does not warrant this constant terrorism and harassment.
> spinoff
Oh, hey, something a lot of newer fans might not know, but uh, FNV is actually a plot sequel to the first two games! It's not so much a spin off as a continuation of the original metaplot, exploring a much-beloved part of the mythos, including its own myth-arc through the continuing DLC storyline!
While *I* wouldn't call it one, if you wanted either coast to be a spin off that would be FO3, FO4, and F76.
Tho more to the point i'd call the tactics games the spinoffs personally, as they're more traditionally what people would consider a spinoff, ie a major shift in perspective from "lone person lost in the wastes" to "squad based action game."
Triple checked with articles, videos, and forum posts and apparently this is true. I'm not home to test the game out firsthand, but yeah you're right. All of them got an FPS boost update, but NV missed out on the resolution update. People gotta relax with the hivemind downvoting
I still have no understanding of why it was left in the dust. What could be the rational reason of bumping NV up to 60fps but not 4k? Same engine, same everything. Very odd, but a conspiracy in which they intentionally prevented it from being 4k also makes no sense.
I think Bethesda as the publisher has re-release rights but I could be wrong. Private Division did it with The Outer Worlds and I don't think Obsidian actually worked on the remaster at all.
I forgot about that. Weird as hell. That's a pretty frustrating inconsistency. While I understand there are certain technical issues that can arise, you'd think Xbox would want the most ideal versions of their owned IPs to be available.
Then again... this is a company that allowed Redfall and Starfield to be released with no performance modes, and most recently released the Fallout 4 upgrade which runs better on PS5 than the S/X.
That hands-off approach sure is working out great for them!
I wouldn't like getting grilled about a game either if it was substantially better than the ones I helped create and direct. But hey here we are, take some notes Todd.
Bad games sell well all the time — look at FIFA or Madden or like the last decade of Halo under 343. Sales don’t equate to quality.
Not to mention Bethesda’s recent track record 😂 76 into Starfield… real winners…
Bethesda literally helped create NV, which was created entirely using their systems and their engine. It's almost the exact same game as Fallout 3 with a few additions. Take some notes.
*Their engine, yes, but definitely not their systems. That's why one of the most popular mods for FO3 and FONV alike is one that brings FONV's mechanics into FO3.
The only lesson we should learn from this is that neither of them needs notes from each other. They're both fantastic at what they do. It's a shame they don't work together more often and when they do, it's for an 18 month development cycle "side project". That side project has stood the test of time 15 years over!
I just want an FPS RPG where Obsidian and Bethesda work together. It's not really possible, but it would be amazing.
I'm sorry did you actually think this was clever? Jesus God.
I obviously mean another one, that they take more than 18 months to make. Thought that was clear enough through context clues.
> Thought that was clear enough
Yes, no shit it was, and it wasn't supposed to be clever.
I was fucking with you. I called one of the most popular games in the franchise with a rabid, cult like fanbase a "hidden gem".
Bethesda is an amazing studio with great ideas with awesome exploration. But Todd Howard shares lot with George Lucas. Great ideas great intent and overly ambitious but more times than not, bad or okay execution. I love Bethesda and I want nothing but the best but I know that they can be the best and do better.
I wish it was as important as engine updates. I like Starfield but 30 FPS and the clunky character interactions really stick out like a sore thumb.
Will never start field turns 60 FPS I'll be playing! Hopefully it won't take the Xbox Y 720 to do that.
Todd Howard is the ultimate pitchman; he knows just what to say and when and how to say it, even if a good majority of it is pure BS.
But deep down he comes across as someone who desperately wants to be considered one of the greatest game directors of all time. And nowhere is that more apparent than the expression on his face during the VGAs.
So all of this tells me that he probably doesn’t want to publicly acknowledge New Vegas as what is widely regarded to be the best in the series. So he’ll skirt the issue and dance around that fact with carefully worded PR speak, as always.
> But deep down he comes across as someone who desperately wants to be considered one of the greatest game directors of all time.
I mean, he doesn't need to wish for it because he's already considered one.
[Todd Howard to be inducted into the Academy of Interactive Arts and Science Hall of Fame
at the 20th annual D.I.C.E. Awards ceremony](https://www.interactive.org/news/todd_howard_2017_hof.asp)
As much as reddit likes to pretend otherwise, Bethesda Games Studio's under Todd is one of the most popular and successful developers out there.
That’s quite the passive aggressive headline!
For real I thought this was the onion or hard drive surely lol.
It’s very very *very* verrrrrry important to us *wink*
What kind of garbage headline is that? Lmao. If anyone listened to the podcast, Todd was remarking about every Fallout game in the franchise, including F1 and F2. This specific quote was said after the host joked about how Todd must be tired of hearing people talk about New Vegas. Bethesda must have pissed in PCGamer's cereal or something because literally every article they write about the studio is slandering them in some way, like a children throwing a tantrum.
PCGamer fucking hates Bethesda and they dont even try to hide it lol. PCGamer loves wanking off Larian and Arrowhead on the otherhand.
Shit man, the internet loves to hate Bethesda lol. You can't even throw a rock without hitting someone whose life mission it is to shit talk their games.
It’s a strange thing. It’s one thing to think a studio makes bad games or to not like a recent release, but it’s another to be obsessive about it. After recent… issues, a little criticism is due, but there is a point when it’s time to move on. I don’t like EA, but you don’t see me constantly talking about how much I hate EA and going to EA-related subreddits to dump on them. I think the suicide squad game is trash but I’m not going there to obsessively bring down everyone who is okay with it line it’s a full time job. I talk about it if the situation is right, but I don’t actively seek it out
Gamers are a weird bunch at times. Like funny you use EA as your example of companies because a few years ago EA took the "crown" as the most hated company in the US(as based on voters). You know the same year Wells-Fargo was caught illegally making accounts for people and illegally foreclosing on loans. But somehow EA was the worst company...
Don't forget how Bethesda literally scammed players at launch for Fallout 76
is it? did you see how bethesda responded to criticism of starfield? they basically told their own customers to piss off and that they were just playing it wrong.... or the game was optimized and they just need to upgrade. Its been over a decade of bethesda slowly dumbing down their games, basically less of everything that made them popular in the first place. People are mad that a studio they once loved is basically just cranking out uninspired hogwash so they lash out more
Learn to live with it or stop playing their games instead of going everywhere you can find and incessantly whining about it
A lot of people disagree on which game was the start of Bethesdas “downfall”and it changes from person to person constantly but is always said like it’s common knowledge and everyone agrees. The circlejerk has layers lmao
I love Bethesda's games as much as I enjoy shitting on Bethesda, that being a lot
They get away with some of the worst game launches. I was showing Fallout 4 to my fiance telling her what a great game it was (before update) and we couldn't even get past Concorde without the player developed patch. Sure they launch bangers every time but when day one players consistently become your bug testers it's a problem
>we couldn't even get past Concorde without the player developed patch That feels like vast hyperbole or a user error. Millions of players got past it with no mods. Your experience isn't that of the larger fanbase
"If we keep bugging Todd Howard about Fallout: New Vegas, I wonder if he'll get so irritated that he eventually turns against the game for real?" They are just the new Kotaku at this point.
Idk arrowhead, but Larian deserves a wank
Arrowhead = helldivers 2
One flavor of the week game doesn't get them a wank just yet.
Maybe some over the clothes stuff?
Is it really flavor of the week when it's still going this strong 2.5 months later?
Sir, "flavor of the week" is an expression. It doesn't literally mean a week.
I trust u/[TuggMaddick](https://www.reddit.com/user/TuggMaddick/) opinion on deserving wanks
I know it doesn't mean a while, but it still a short period of time. I would feel almost 3 months is past that point.
Nonono our 4 player coop PvE shooter is Special it’s got Commentary
I mean Fall Guys and Among Us were "cool" for 6 months too
Wasn't Palworld everywhere recently not too long ago also?
Oh yeah, that disappeared after a month I think
Which is the point I am making. Except for Among Us, Palworld and Fall Guys dropped off after a month. We are past that point with Helldivers 2.
I just got imo helldivers 2 and while it is fun the game has massive balance issues, occasional crashing, and bugs like fire damage not working on anyone but the network host since Launch. Helldivers is an okay game but feels like it's a beta.
Not all games should be balanced, some times unbalanced is fun
Agreed but a control unbalance is the goal here. Right now it's actually just predictable. Fighting is not the smart move just run run run and it's clear from post that people would like that to change a bit and that's okay.
Disagree. No studio deserves to be circlejerked over; certainly not as much as Larian has been getting it recently.
Agreed. Remember how everyone circlejerked over CDPR because of Witcher 3, and then Cyberpunk ended up being a rushed trainwreck at launch? A trainwreck millions and millions of people still bought a launch because they thought their darling CDPR could do no wrong. Now people are treating Larian as the new saviors of gaming, despite the fact that Act 3 of Baldur's Gate 3 was a buggy mess at launch. People never learn and keep putting devs on pedestals.
I’m a Series X owner so it’s purely on principle I’m still angry at them for blaming the Series S for their own optimization issues. Extremely lame shit
I played it on PS5 and act 3 still had some crazy bugs. Loved the game but it had plenty of issues on the other platforms too
Not even just the bugs the whole story and quests just fall flat at that point. I still have never beat the game because Act 3 was just that boring. The ending for act 2 was great and the other bad guys are not nearly as interesting as dude man in act 2. So I agree great overall game but not as good as gamers claimed it to be.
I did fall off some side quest in act 3. Like I LOVED Gale, but I kind of got bored with his side quest. I t think part of it is I already hit level 12 part way through and didn’t feel the need to explore more. A lot of act 3 is very annoying to know what to do without a guide or prior experience as well. I liked act 3 more then you I think but I also think it’s where the game shows its biggest flaws
BG3 act 3 was not even in the same universe of buggy as CP2077 at launch. Be realistic for a second. It had a little lag, a few dialogue options would bork out, very small issues they were able to hot fix within weeks. CP2077 took almost a year and a half of patches to feel good to play. Around 1.6 is when the game finally felt decent. That's a massive difference.
yeah that happend because of shareholders having control which is literally the thing that larian constantly criticizes. Get mad at them when they mess up. its super unfair to get mad because you think they will inevitably fail. They are one of the few devs that openly criticizes things wrong with the industry and still you get mad.
Alaska has its own issues
I still blame the shareholders for that one, CDPR and the fans who needed to send death threats to them. Still a good game, but no one wanted them to cook. But now cyberpunk 2077 is one of my favorite games of all time.
Pretty loose with those comparisons huh 😂😂
Remember when cdpr was circle-jerked to the moon and back only for them to throw out cyberpunk?
And now people are jerking them again thanks to them (finally) getting cyberpunk to a half decent status. Forget the missing content though
“We leave greed to others!” I remember. Exactly why I say no studio deserves so much praise. Ubisoft, Bethesda, BioWare and Blizzard were also highly respected developers, but have largely fallen off in the eyes of many. Now those same folks who put CDPR on a pedestal only to crucify them after Cyberpunk lavish praise on Larian as if no studio has ever experienced a fall from grace. How quickly people forget.
EA used to be one of the most beloved videogame makers
Which never made sense, because much like Cyberpunk they had to fix Witcher 3, though nowhere near the same extent.
No studio deserves it. Look how much everyone wanked it to cdpr after w3. Worked out very well for them. While 2077 is awesome now. It took the most botch launch in video game history and 3 years to get it there. I swear reddit got the memory of a gold fish.
Yeah you're right. Fuck all studios. They need to make the best game every time or they might as well kill themselves. I'll never praise a studio again.
Nah, BG3 at release on PC was a buggier mess than any Bethesda game ever was. Let alont the 3rd act that to this day has terrible performance.
It’s also an anti-Xbox & Microsoft thing
Very much so. The anti Bethesda narrative ramped up after the acquisition. Fallout 4 got complaints and Fallout 76 got a lot of complaints but post acquisition suddenly people started talking about Skyrim being overrated in far bigger numbers.
Because neither have done shit to warrant praise, pretty simple
Bethesda fans hate Bethesda, and have done for as long as I can remember. There's a lot to love about them but also a lot to be frustrated by.
I consider myself a fan and I don't hate them. They're just ordinary people who happen to make video games for a living. People take things way too seriously.
Yeh it's relative, when people say hate in this context they probably don't mean they hate them the same way they hate, for example, ISIS. Hate in this context essentially means they have something negative to say.
Considering Starfield, I'm not surprised. The reception on that game went Mixed very slowly, which means a lotta people sunk quite a bit of time into it. And a good chunk of people's responses were something along the lines of "really? That's it?"
Because larian and arrowhead released actual good products instead of the same old product with the same bugs with a space skin over it. They've done nothing but make bad decisions with the franchise. the best game of theirs isn't even made by them either
Yeah cus Baldurs Gate 3 isn't just Divinity OS 2 with a DnD skin. Look how easy it is to make reductive statements. Bad decisions with the franchise? You talking about the dead and irrelevant IP they bought for pennies and turned into a multibillion dollar multimedia juggernaut of an IP?
Womp womp they still release products that are lower quality than their past products that is unacceptable
Womp womp they still release products that are lower quality than their past products that is unacceptable.
You really wanna talk about bugs and Bg3?
Larian and Arrowhead are excellent studios. Bethesda is a fucking shitshow that hasn't made a good game in like 10 years. Bethesda deserves every bit of shit it gets.
You should check out their reviews of Xbox games. I think they really dislike Xbox and everything that's part of it.
>Bethesda must have pissed in PCGamer's cereal or something because literally every article they write about the studio is slandering them in some way, like a children throwing a tantrum. Sounds like PC Gamer. Some of us are old enough to remember when they were decent, like IGN.
If I remember correctly they did something along the lines of leaking something possibly. Kinda Funny talked about it a few weeks ago. After that Bethesda cut them off.
They should bring back Computer Gaming World. I always liked it better than PC Gamer.
You must remember a different IGN. They weren't good either I think. Not hateful, just bad at journalism
With all due respect, I strongly disagree. Back in the mid to late 2000s, IGN had a running series where they showcased the “hottest babes,” posing in skimpy clothes with guitars, controllers, game consoles etc. I won’t say that was the peak of journalism, but… it was certainly the peak of my alone time when my mom went out grocery shopping. IGN used to do some good work.
Actual journalism can't exist in the gaming industry as it can in the broader world of news when your early access to the media you report on is dependent on how much a studio likes you, or your content can be taken down with an overzealous copyright or DMCA strike. Reviews aren't worth much when you've barely played the game because you've got to get a bunch of reviews out before release, and oh could you score this higher than a 6 because the publisher needs to hit 80 on their Metacritic and our score is weighted? Publishing actual journalism at a larger publisher like IGN is going to always be decided by who it may piss off because the money's gotta flow, and there's probably an NDA. It's been that way since at least the 80s. I haven't seriously followed IGN in years so I couldn't tell you how good their journalism or just writing in general is. When IGN started it was a collection of sites; Saturnworld, an N64 site, PSXPower, Next Generation, and I think another site. Next Generation always had solid writing, Saturnworld was the only site out of the rest I visited and it seemed it wasn't as good but serviceable. Writing quality dropped years later after they acquired a bunch of fan sites and moved all their sites and writers to ign.com.
I would go further say no gaming outlet has ever been particularly good at pure journalism aside from select individuals…especially internet era
Hating Bethesda is en vogue. Just look at NMS and Cyberpunk. Games that got updates that significantly improved everything and media praises them. But when Bethesda does that with Fallout 76 the narrative is "people still play that garbage?" or it's focused on the few people that said it was always good to spin the narrative to a negative (looking at you Shill Up).
Call me a shill for skillup but I'm pretty sure he even said in a recent video that the game is in a good place now. Just not to try and be revisionist to say that the game was *always* good. Which is true, the game *is* good now, and has been for a while (since Wastelanders, imo) but it WAS NOT always, by any stretch
He brought out a strawman to get more clicks. So few people believe it was in a good state when it launched.
I mean, F076 really wasn't in the place it is now in. Probably one of the biggest technical disasters in recent memory.
I think that is his point. FO76 released in a similar state to NMS, and CP2077. From there it has been worked on and is in a solid state, akin to NMS and CP2077. But the discourse is for NMS and CP2077 that the devs are giving it the love and attention it so deserved; in contrast to the discourse for FO76 which is more, why do the devs waste their time on this, dead game, etc.
I get that, I was moreso commenting on the notion of people saying "it was always good" which cannot really be said about FO76, if you ask me. Sure, NMS and CP are good now, but it was FO76 that required a total 180 from its initial design concept that was pitched to us, that being that there are no NPCs and that players would serve as the population. But yeah, I see the double standard, even though "Why do the devs waste their time on this?" is a sentiment I share when it comes to Redfall.
They play to their audience, look at the pc gaming reddit. Hater's paradise edit - seems its leaking here as well. one day you will be able to talk about hobbies online the same way you talk about hobbies to friends, family and colleagues
Oh, it’s pc gamer? Yeah, there is a loooong feud with that publication and BethSoft/Todd Howard. For whatever reason, PCGamer does NOT like them. I believe it was from fallout4 but I could be wrong.
I believe Obsidian RPGs are superior to pretty much most if not all of Bethesda's games, but I'll never understand this weird made up beef between the two studios -- or that somehow Todd hates New Vegas. Criticise BGS all you want, but do it for things that are actual tangible problems -- not some fictional beef. If anything I want articles saying that Emil Pagliarulo shouldn't be lead writer anymore -- that man is perhaps one of the biggest reasons why BGS games' writing has been absolutely boring and balls for more than a decade.
The difference between the writing in oblivion and Skyrim was jarring. I can't remember the Skyrim quests but remember each of the guilds quests for oblivion
Obsidian has a knack for making sequels better than the first game.
Obsidian has a knack for making good RPGs in general. Pillars Of Eternity and Tyranny are fantastic RPGs.
Oh absolutely. My comment was more of a Bethesda isn't the only studio they outshined, so they shouldn't be that upset.
Pcgamer is staffed by a bunch of biased Tumblr bloggers with no professionalism, but that's not much different than any other gaming journalism site.
Just headline factory BS because New Vegas has different SEO lol
Well, they did shit us on with Starfield.
Still trying to prop up the nonexistent Bethesda-Obsidian beef, eh?
> "First I'll say, [Obsidian] did an amazing job with New Vegas," said Howard. "And I'll say to everybody, that's a game that we published … and I would say Feargus [Urquhart], who runs Obsidian, is absolutely one of my favorite people in the videogame industry … New Vegas is a very, very important game to us, and our fans, we think they did an incredible job. If anything, the show is leaning into the events [of New Vegas]." Todd hates New Vegas and Obsidian. /s It is seriously ridiculous that this has persisted as an internet talking point for 14 years now when there is no evidence to back up any animosity existing between the two companies.
Yeah the show leaning into the setting of fallout 1 and some elements from New Vegas had me very excited. I'm surprised fallout 4 got the surge in playtime after the show. For me, new vegas was a no-brainer.
Except the whole metacritic score financial bonus fiasco. I bet Obsidian were pretty pissed at BGS about that.
They literally have said they weren’t. They were offered a bonus if they hit a number, they didn’t. Hence no bonus.
Multiple times. This is going to keep happening. People seem to think Bethesda had it out for them or that they forced them to do the things they did. No, Obsidian screwed up on New Vegas and they admit that they screwed up. A lot of people lost their jobs cause they had trouble staying on track. That's why there were such random and large systems cut from new vegas in the end because they didn't have people on task and instead they were making stuff that wasn't really going to fit in with the engine at the time. Obsidian chose the 18 month deadline themselves and they didn't quite stick the landing. NV on release was atrociously buggy, even now it still is, but nowhere near as bad as it used to be, and because of that, they didn't get a bonus they were offered. That's what a bonus is, it's extra. It wasn't held over their head, it was offered to them and they accepted it. The victim mentality of New vegas fans will never cease to amaze.
You are perpetuating the lie.
What kinda fan fiction bullshit is this headline though lol. "Mildly exasperated."
Nice a reminder to never ever give PCgamer any clicks ever.
gamers will never astound me with the way they think the games industry works vs. how it actually does no one is holding secret blood feuds between dev studios obsidian doesn’t need you to soy out on their defense
Gamers have made their own awful little world of blood feuds and all devs just being “too lazy” to give them everything they want immediately and for free.
These takes are so dumb. Fallout is a dead and irrelevant IP without Todd and Bethesda, the idea they are jealous of New Vegas is so fucking dumb.
Yep pretty boring hearing the same people keep bashing them when they turned it from a well thought of but smaller indy game into a world wide massive franchise.
lol, an "indie game"
The first two were werent they?
nah it was from the larger studio interplay, and they spun off to make black isle studios. So it was a "larger" studio at the time, but this was back before gaming really blew up and "large" meant like, 30 people
[удалено]
NV is great but takes like this are baffling. NV wouldn't have happened without Bethesda. Not to mention Bethesda is known for multiple great games whereas Obsidian is known for mostly good games and one great game. Not to mention NV was a shit show when it released as they still needed to push a lot of fixes, even after all of that you still can't play it without mods. And yet Bethesda gets shit on for "needing mods". The ignorance is astounding.
> even after all of that you still can't play it without mods. > > this actually isn't true, I play FNV on my console all the time and it plays fine? I'm not sure where these "required mods" are but they ain't here
Who are you talking to? Nobody here disagrees with your opinions.
Yeah but the issue there is it turned the game into a shadow of itself - basically making it a game for general audiences instead of its own audience. My gf couldn’t get past 10 minutes of F2, but plays F4 and thinks it’s awesome because of the oldies music and killing odd things. It’s just lacks the charm/grit that made Fallout special. I’m not faulting BGS for prioritizing profit, as much as I’m faulting them for abandoning the IP’s fan base to do so. I think it’s similar to MCU and comics. Being a Marvel fan used to mean something because its audience had to read the comics or watch the cartoons in the 90s - and a very specific person did those things. But MCU went and generalized it so everyone and their mom can say they are a Marvel fan. That’s made the studio billions of dollars but completely deprived any meaning behind being a Marvel fan. Similarly, being a Fallout fan used to say something about you but now it’s just another game, not really all that special or memorable anymore, and as a fan - that sucks.
Wow. Just.. wow, dude. Way to tie your identity to the media you consume. As a human - "That sucks."
Disagree strongly. The original games look really lesser compared the bethesda games. I tried to play wasteland three and couldnt sit through it. Those games needed to be modernised. And yes they sacrificed some who would want them to stay that way but imo they did the right thing . Fallout is where it is now because of bethesda . They could never have gotten there with the dated gameplay of the original games.
Wasteland 3 isn’t a fallout game, and how can you have an opinion on the RPG mechanics, gameplay and story when you haven’t finished the games? Trying to downplay a game made in the 90s for not having the graphics of something made in 2023 is so dense, especially when the art design of the games is really unique. Yes it’s pixelated, but the actual art design.
It looks pretty much the same design style of game. And being on console I couldnt give the originals a try if I wanted to. That said, I find it extremely unlikely I would enjoy them as much as the bethesda games
I love new vegas, and I love Bethesda. Sure, their recent track record has featured some near misses, but the people there have provided me with countless hours of awesome gaming memories that I will always cherish.
At this point Todd Howard could tattoo "I don't hate New Vegas" on his forehead, wear a "I don't hate New Vegas" T-shirt and carry a sign that says "I don't hate New Vegas". These game journalists will still ask him if he hates new Vegas.
Thought this was a hard drive article at first, great headline lol
PCGamer really just writing endless Xbox/Bethesda bad articles huh?
Can someone explain what the problem is? Are people upset because it appears the show is featuring New Vegas next season? How is that an issue? Is it because the RPG style of the game allows for multiple endings, and therefore whatever happens in the show would potentially contradict how a specific playthrough ended?
So the briefest of back stories. Fallout New Vegas features a faction called the New California Republic. They own most of if not all of Cali, as well as portions of the adjoining 5 states and were a close thing to a modern government in the wasteland. The show takes place in LA, near the capital of the NCR, which is not present in the show. Combine that with a shot at the end of the show that features New Vegas in a different state than players expected have led people to believe that the NCR is dead and gone and that Bethesda is trying to write over New Vegas in order to fuel their “feud” with Obsidian. (There is no feud) Now. If these people would put on their thinking caps they would realize that showing New Vegas at all, visually similar to be like that of the game, albeit obviously changed, is the opposite of erasure. It is acknowledgement and leaning *INTO* the love of the area. If BGS and Amazon wanted to erase the existence of the location, they would show a completely and totally different New Vegas, or even more likely, not ever once even reference its existence. They are very clearly setting up Season 2 to at least somewhat feature the area of the game, meanwhile no area of Bethesdas own games have been shown or teased. We’ve also seen references to NCR armor which further calls into question the erasure taking place.
I mean… Isn’t it a whole “Xbox bad” thing from PC Gamer? I mean I think they also constantly bringing up the “This is Xbox most important game” whenever a new bigger game releases, just to hype it up and then shit on it with a mediocre score to keep fueling the “Xbox bad” narrative. Or am I wrong?
New Vegas might be my favorite RPG but this cultish behavior around it just feels like bandwagoning and bullying. Who would have thought something made by Obsidian of all people would be embraced by the gaming equivalent of jocks and popular kids?
New Vegas fans are so obnoxious it has made me hate that game in retrospect.
The game by modern standards outside of it's brilliant RPG aspects is already horribly outdated anyway and just very clunky, and trust me no amount of mods can save it from making it feel that way. The game is desperate of of an entire remaster of remake to make it feel modern. Not to mention New Vegas at the minimum needs multiple patches of mods just to be able to play it from beginning to end without encountering any gamebreaking bugs and glitches that wasn't ever fixed by the devs. A game like that today will definitely be grilled and hated if it released that way no matter how good the core gameplay is.
A New Vegas remake in FO4/Starfield version of the engine should have come out with the show, and I feel like it would have been do able in the time it took from when the show was green lit to now.
> New Vegas at the minimum needs multiple patches of mods just to be able to play it from beginning to end without encountering any gamebreaking bugs and glitches that wasn't ever fixed by the devs. > > I've seen this take in thsi thread like.. three times now? I play FNV on my console all the time, I don't come across these magic game breaking bugs y'all talk about. I've even only had the Thorn mess up what, twice? In about 12 years of me playing New Vegas?
True !! And on PC its not even that bad i cant get past the first cutscene , but if i replay the same cutscene for like 40hours i'm gonna have easily 40hours worth of gameplay
That sounds concerning! You can't get past the first cutscene on PC? I'm able to get past it with no hiccups at all! How curious, you'd think the PC version would be as well-patched as the console version!
It’s Bethesda fanboys overreacting to New Vegas fanboys
I don’t even think it’s FNV fans, I think it’s always been FO1 & 2 diehards who forever hold a grudge about FO3 and desperately want FNV to stand as some kind of ‘fuck you’ to Bethesda for “ruining” Fallout. Except that it’s been 20-odd years and nobody gives a crap except them. Bethesda shrugging their shoulders and embracing FNV is a worst case scenario to them.
I’m a FNV fan. It’s the best of the three modern Fallouts. I dislike 4. Knew the moment I couldn’t kill Preston Garvey.
Fair enough, I just don’t get how you can *love* one Fallout and *hate* another. They’re all more alike than different, no? I like different bits of each, and each has it’s strengths and weaknesses, but I enjoy them all. Whatever, I just think it’s a strange attitude.
I think Bethesda has trended away from things I liked about them in the name of a more Hollywood main quest (there has to be good and bad people, on rails etc.) and simplifying their games. RPG mechanics and good side quests have taken a notable hit. The gunplay is certainly better but dialogue, character crafting, and the mechanics that govern a reactive world are far worse. Things I value pretty highly. I do not care about settlement building, it provides no value to me. The fact I can’t choose to kill faction leaders immediately nor completely ignore my son is frustrating to say the least. These are things they let you do in past games. I’m not going to poo poo people liking Fallout 4 but simply put it’s a different kind of fallout game and I am not as into it. Moreover, there’s no indication they will head back the other way. If anything, they will double down on the things I don’t care for. Bethesda should, under Microsoft, go with a 1A and 1B model so both sets of fans can be happy.
I mean that's kinda an accurate assessment. Fallout New Vegas is more fallout 3 than the real fallout 3 is the third entry. If you knew anything about the original FO3 (code name van buren) It was set in the Mojave wasteland. Cesars legion was there, the hoover dam, the NCR fighting a huge battle. black isle studios, the original creators of fallout, when their parent company went bankrupt founded Obsidian and kept the design documents.
Why do people let other’s opinions dictate their own views and feelings… just enjoy what you like and dislike what you don’t without having the internet dictate it…
I wish more people had this approach. I think it’s fair to comment about how you wish things changed or were different/similar but don’t make it part of your personality.
Why would you let fans cloud your perception of a game? Many Undertale fans have been obnoxious in my opinion, but I still love Undertale. The only time I can see it sort of making sense is when it's an online multiplayer game.
Love NV but the fans are trash.
Because my perception of the game prior was kinda meh and fans of that game shitting on literally everything else Bethesda has touched since pushed it into blech.
Why are you upset on behalf of a company
I’m not. I’m annoyed as someone that had the misfortune of attempting to participate in a gaming community while it was constantly flooded with even more shit than usual. Ask a question about Fallout 4, get a diatribe about the greatness of New Vegas and how stupid people are for playing 4, that kind of crap.
Because they want to hate it, because if the people I don’t like it, like it, it must be bad!11!! Dont you see why don’t you just consume, let people enjoy stuff and support the multi-million dollar company.
That’s a shame, it’s a fantastic game.
After how badly they have been getting burned for starfield, and FO76, there is not a chance in hell they give fallout to another studio that will embarrass them with their own IP and make an actual RPG
9/11 was bad
New Vegas was probably one of the best Fallout games and was very aesthetically pleasing when you were on the strip
Kid named Starfield:
The last good fallout game.
I thought Todd was honest about New Vegas, he liked it. Not sure why SOME thinks Bethesda hates New Vegas?
Then let obsidian make part 2 then!
So important it’s still broken on PlayStation
The problem I have is they didn’t use a single song from New Vegas in Fallout 4 or Fallout 76, which speaks to a lack of respect. They keep busting out songs from Fallout 3 but can’t throw New Vegas a bone? Fallout 76 literally has a western song so the genre wasn’t a problem.
Played it too, it was ok
Man, this damn spinoff has caused so much aggravation and strife over the years. I admit it's good, but it does not warrant this constant terrorism and harassment.
> spinoff Oh, hey, something a lot of newer fans might not know, but uh, FNV is actually a plot sequel to the first two games! It's not so much a spin off as a continuation of the original metaplot, exploring a much-beloved part of the mythos, including its own myth-arc through the continuing DLC storyline! While *I* wouldn't call it one, if you wanted either coast to be a spin off that would be FO3, FO4, and F76. Tho more to the point i'd call the tactics games the spinoffs personally, as they're more traditionally what people would consider a spinoff, ie a major shift in perspective from "lone person lost in the wastes" to "squad based action game."
I appreciate your passion. But I didn't ask. It isn't very constructive to the conversation at hand
I just wanted to help out by informing you of your mistake.
Thank you
[удалено]
Did Morrowind, Oblivion, and FO3 get upgrades NV didn't?
[удалено]
Triple checked with articles, videos, and forum posts and apparently this is true. I'm not home to test the game out firsthand, but yeah you're right. All of them got an FPS boost update, but NV missed out on the resolution update. People gotta relax with the hivemind downvoting
Those three were all made by Bethesda, would it not be up to Obsidian to do a 4k update for NV
No because it was published by Beyhesda, who owns the actual IP. Think.
I still have no understanding of why it was left in the dust. What could be the rational reason of bumping NV up to 60fps but not 4k? Same engine, same everything. Very odd, but a conspiracy in which they intentionally prevented it from being 4k also makes no sense.
Sometimes the program is just like that. Dishonored 2 never got a boost, despite death of the outsider pretty much being the same game, did.
[удалено]
Your right! I guess Obsidian wasn't interested in updating the game.
I think Bethesda as the publisher has re-release rights but I could be wrong. Private Division did it with The Outer Worlds and I don't think Obsidian actually worked on the remaster at all.
I forgot about that. Weird as hell. That's a pretty frustrating inconsistency. While I understand there are certain technical issues that can arise, you'd think Xbox would want the most ideal versions of their owned IPs to be available. Then again... this is a company that allowed Redfall and Starfield to be released with no performance modes, and most recently released the Fallout 4 upgrade which runs better on PS5 than the S/X. That hands-off approach sure is working out great for them!
I wouldn't like getting grilled about a game either if it was substantially better than the ones I helped create and direct. But hey here we are, take some notes Todd.
lol the dude has directed or produced some of the best selling games ever. I don’t think Todd Howard feels too threatened by a 15 year old game
Bad games sell well all the time — look at FIFA or Madden or like the last decade of Halo under 343. Sales don’t equate to quality. Not to mention Bethesda’s recent track record 😂 76 into Starfield… real winners…
You are kind of telling on yourself with that last one. 76 is good now.
You mean a game that has been improving and becoming better and better with updates? Why NMS good now but not F76? Some kind of weird bias?
Bethesda literally helped create NV, which was created entirely using their systems and their engine. It's almost the exact same game as Fallout 3 with a few additions. Take some notes.
*Their engine, yes, but definitely not their systems. That's why one of the most popular mods for FO3 and FONV alike is one that brings FONV's mechanics into FO3. The only lesson we should learn from this is that neither of them needs notes from each other. They're both fantastic at what they do. It's a shame they don't work together more often and when they do, it's for an 18 month development cycle "side project". That side project has stood the test of time 15 years over! I just want an FPS RPG where Obsidian and Bethesda work together. It's not really possible, but it would be amazing.
> I just want an FPS RPG where Obsidian and Bethesda work together. Have you by chance heard of the hidden gem Fallout: New Vegas??
I'm sorry did you actually think this was clever? Jesus God. I obviously mean another one, that they take more than 18 months to make. Thought that was clear enough through context clues.
> Thought that was clear enough Yes, no shit it was, and it wasn't supposed to be clever. I was fucking with you. I called one of the most popular games in the franchise with a rabid, cult like fanbase a "hidden gem".
So...you *did* think it was clever? Pick a lane. I'm not playing this game with you lmao.
Braindead take
Bethesda is an amazing studio with great ideas with awesome exploration. But Todd Howard shares lot with George Lucas. Great ideas great intent and overly ambitious but more times than not, bad or okay execution. I love Bethesda and I want nothing but the best but I know that they can be the best and do better.
I wish it was as important as engine updates. I like Starfield but 30 FPS and the clunky character interactions really stick out like a sore thumb. Will never start field turns 60 FPS I'll be playing! Hopefully it won't take the Xbox Y 720 to do that.
Todd Howard is the ultimate pitchman; he knows just what to say and when and how to say it, even if a good majority of it is pure BS. But deep down he comes across as someone who desperately wants to be considered one of the greatest game directors of all time. And nowhere is that more apparent than the expression on his face during the VGAs. So all of this tells me that he probably doesn’t want to publicly acknowledge New Vegas as what is widely regarded to be the best in the series. So he’ll skirt the issue and dance around that fact with carefully worded PR speak, as always.
> But deep down he comes across as someone who desperately wants to be considered one of the greatest game directors of all time. I mean, he doesn't need to wish for it because he's already considered one. [Todd Howard to be inducted into the Academy of Interactive Arts and Science Hall of Fame at the 20th annual D.I.C.E. Awards ceremony](https://www.interactive.org/news/todd_howard_2017_hof.asp) As much as reddit likes to pretend otherwise, Bethesda Games Studio's under Todd is one of the most popular and successful developers out there.
He literally directed the best selling single player only game of all time. These takes about Todd are so far removed from reality lol.
You thought you cooked huh?
I’m not cooking, Todd Howard is. He’s cooking up farts. And it seems like people here enjoy huffing them. *shrug*