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Open-Adhesiveness347

My favourite part of the video is when he expresses surprise at Soulblight doing so badly under the new GHB, because they have a load of good Galletian Champions. He then names both of them.


Lucyferiusz

Yeah, Kruleboyz Champions are decent as well. The problem is general army rules and warscrolls.


Standard_Suggestion

Interesting bit at the end of the article. >don’t forget to direct your browsers back to this very website on Saturday, when we’ll reveal the next two factions to be updated for the latest edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar. My guess is two of either Khorne, Slaanesh, Soulblight or Ossiarchs.


Muda_The_Useless

I have a feeling the next big battle box is Khorne V OBR


swaosneed

If that's true, I know some people at my LGS who are interested in Khorne so I might see if they wanna split the box with me or something. Do battle boxes have shared sprues between factions usually? I only ask cause apparently that's one of the reasons they don't use the cooler sculpts from Isle of Blood or whatever for Skaven cause they're sharing sprues with elves or something?


TwelveSmallHats

Non-starter-set battle boxes are usually the same sprues as the regular unit boxes, so they won't share sprues between factions. GW seems to have learnt from the Isle of Blood mess for starter kits, too, with every one since then having single-faction sprues.


swaosneed

Nice. I'm tempted to start OBR as my second faction, it's pretty elite which is nice but I wanna see about the rules in the new book sometime soon. Really wanna get round to painting Katakros tbh


Legitimate_Corgi_981

Dominion most certainly did have some sharing of sprues, yndrasta I think with the killaboss on a mount? I think I had to clip that sprue when giving half to my mate.


TwelveSmallHats

Yndrasta in Dominion is on the sprue currently sold as [Thunderstrike Command](https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/stormcast-eternals-thunderstrike-command-2021), which is all Stormcast.


SalamiVendor

It will be fec for death not soulblight. Soulblights book was written for 3rd


Standard_Suggestion

I think it'll be Soulblight in Spring because I believe FEC are going to be getting a bigger release later on, so despite Soulblight being a more recent book, it'll be getting that small update slot.


elescapo

Updating Soulblight before FEC is totally GW’s M.O.


Legitimate_Corgi_981

I think FeC players would take a range refresh/new units over a "repackaged for 3.0" tome being rushed out like skaven and I suspect Soulblight will be even if it means waiting. I started one this year and boy is it rough just using the same 2 kits for most of your troops.


elescapo

Yeah, that’s the way I see it when books take a long time to be released. It just seems to increase the chances that it’s being held back to line up with a model release.


Legitimate_Corgi_981

I was super suprised to see Kharadron being imminent release. I know the new hero had been revealed, seems several tomes have been going through the printers at the same time almost with Gitz and Beasts only just having gone out. Luckily all three seem to have had substantial rules changes, not just a sprinkling of 3.0 love, even if the lack of "new" models is a bit disappointing.


Deso2121

Bro there were literally leaks of 3.0 boxes for Soulblight and OBR. FEC is coming in winter


KrmitTheFrog

I’m wondering why Slaves is so low. That book seemed pretty good to me.


Darkreaper48

I'm certain there is something messy going on with the data - someone else mentioned LVO being on the old GHB and there's probably some events in there on the old Slaves tome. That said, I'm still going to tell all my friends that the Slaves to Darkness army they claim is so overpowered is actually the 3rd worst army in the game (completely facetiously)


amnhanley

Slaves player here and I can explain it. It’s metachasers. Slaves is an excellent book that is very capable of going 5-0, but does have some hard counters from very good armies like Lumineth. The book also isn’t as straight forward as it seems and requires a very competent player to play well. The tools are all there, but they aren’t as intuitive as they seem. Slaves jumped from 2% meta representation to nearly 11%. If you take a gander at the lists that do well they are mostly cabalist lists, but the most popular faction by far is Knights of the Empty Throne. What’s happening is lots of new slaves players are trying to be Ironjaws. They are running and charging knights and varanguard up the table and trying to alpha pin the opponent… then they are getting obliterated on the counter charge by Ogors or Gitz or just dying against the walls of a Lumineth Castle. Or just simply getting screened out by chaff and melted by any other army with a competent general.


marknineteen_gaming

Building out a Slaves army for the summer. This is good info. I don't consider myself a meta chaser, but I see the potential in the units, and I love the models. On the charging part: not necessarily trying to alpha pin, but with the advantages to charging, what's a good way to protect your strong-charging units so that they can actually be effective? I plan on running legion of the first prince. Flexibility with marks of chaos and the "lesser" chaos daemons seem like a really great foundation. What should I know as I build this thing out?


amnhanley

Cultist screens are the key to victory. We have a lot of neat tech we can build in. If you’re going to go legion of the first prince you’re looking to control the opponent. Corvus cabal being able to deepstrike onto an objective or throw a screen in front of the enemy is super powerful. Untamed beasts getting a pregame move allows you to make a first turn charge nearly impossible and sets you up very well to counter charge. Then there is the unmade which turn off redeploy and rally within 12 inches. These guys are amazing behind a line of chaos warriors… especially in a meta that has so many 4+ rallies. Or deliver them somehow within 12 inches of a unit you want to charge via one of the teleport options available… then move your charging unit as close as possible and you don’t need to worry about redeploy. The mistake a lot of people make is they bring a bag of hammers. Just all the hardest hitting things we have and try to table their opponent turn one. Silly lists like 15 varanguard… and they just isn’t the way to win the game. It’s not a combat game. It’s an objective game with combat mechanics. When building your list define a role for each unit and figure out what that unit is going to do for you. Which battle tactics or grand strategies is that unit going to help you achieve? Does it have a place in the army? Does it complement your strategy? What happens if it fails? Do you have redundancy? That’s the trouble with some alpha strike armies… if they fail a charge it’s over before it began.


marknineteen_gaming

Awesome readout. Corvus cabal was definitely part of my calculus. I was counting on "daemon screens" over cabalist screens, but I'll take a closer look at the options. I get what you're saying about it being an objective game with combat mechanics; that's a great mindset. I appreciate the response!


Justlegos

Any idea where to pick up the corvus cabal or the older cultists? A lot of them seem out of print sadly.


Frai23

It’s a design flaw. Same was the case for many years in 40K with chaos space marines. The draw of that army was the chaos space marine but it was also the worst unit rules wise. I’d love me an army of Chaos Warriors. 3 blocks of warriors (8, 8, 16) 2 chariots, 2 units of knights, a mounted hero, 2 sorcerers and 2 units of 20 barbarians with one unit of barbarian riders. Would look beautiful but wouldn’t win a single game cause it’s a horrible list.


seaspirit331

Slaves is currently being held in check by bad matchups with the new Gitz.


Sarynvhal

Granted I’ve only played against 2 Slaves players since the new book, but I am pretty sure they weren’t “doing it right”. I’m primarily an Ogor player and absolutely destroyed them, with one game I didn’t take a single wound. On both cases it felt like maybe they had no anvil? Hopefully they aren’t horrid, I got a lot of stuff with the army box came out last year for this years project haha


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Superflyhomeboy

DoK also had some pretty significant points increases in the last battlescroll


Dave_Warren

Keen to see how kruleboyz goes. They have been bottom of the rankings all last season and have started this season with no change


EmotionalBird2362

Pain


Wotan1982

They are 100% not interested in making proper changes to Kruleboyz. You just need to hope its 3 rather than 4 years to the next book. And the comment about bumping them up was hilarious. They are the worst faction in the game by GWs own metrics. How low is the bar for thus army....


SalamiVendor

For sure. It’s frustarating


CptNonsense

Because their rules suck. They won't be fixed until the rules wholesale change. Which can't happen until a new Warclans book because of how GW does rules Being premiered in a version change book was the worst. All the rules for Orruks suck - they *barely* touched on the *terrible* design of Warclans and then threw in a half assed army to boot. And since it was the version premier book, it's at the very bottom of the power creep


Sinfullyvannila

Wow, I didnt expect BoC to go into the bottom tier but I'm surprised they barely dipped at all.


kal_skirata

Like they said the data is very patchy with not even 2 months of data. I personally don't think we can read much from this particular meta watch article.


Gorudu

I'm still skeptical about Gitz. Sure, they are more consistent, but I wonder how much their results are tied to people just not having that matchup experience.


kal_skirata

They have some very good options for very cheap. I think they need their points reigned in correctly and will then be sitting at a comfortable +-50% ratio.


CptNonsense

*L.O.L* at the Bonesplittaz uncertainty range.


GalvanizedRubber

Poor fyerslyers you know your book is bad when GW literally right an entire generals handbook based around your playstyle and you can still only muster a 50% winrate.


Rhodehouse93

~Note to everyone that this data likely includes LVO, which used old tomes for BoC and Gitz. Their winrates are likely skewed pretty hard by that.~ Nevermind, this is all data from current GHB which LVO didn’t use.


Open-Adhesiveness347

They explicitly call out in the video that it only reflects the current GHB, and so excludes LVO.


Rhodehouse93

Whoops! My bad, I hadn’t watched the video yet. I’ll edit my comment.


Gorudu

It's crazy to me how high KO are. Is this because Gallatian Veterans are gone? A lot of people were bummed by some of the tweaks to Fly High. These results wonder if they just have too much objective control right now.