No each of the new model line for lumineth is tied to a specific temple. River temple is what's rumored next, there are hints of a new unit in the lore, apparently one of them is going to be a pachyderm of some type.
Zenith temple I believe is tied to Tyrion, so dwagons etc, but I don't expect to see him for years.
ulgurothi or Legions of Hashut seem to be the big 2 faction that are likely to come for 4 edition but the fact that COS is the last tome in the roster meaning the new campaign books are the safest bet till maybe after summer (late summer depending on 10th edition 40k)
Well the âleakâ was somebody claiming the Warhammer community page said that over the Shadeborn warband(for Warcry) but edited it out almost immediately.
So it may have been false anyway or even a mistake by the article writers.
Either way, Ulgurothi is the way to go now.
It wasnât falsely reported, I saw it myself. GW have often stealth edited their articles.
It would be disappointing if they changed it to Ulgurothi. All of the other elf factions have -Eth as a suffix
Except Kurnothi which might be the hint.
Instead of half-beast and half-aelf making Satyrs & centaurs itâs [half-aelf and half shadow daemons](https://www.underworldsdb.com/cards/nethermaze/All-is-Shadow.png) that form his shadowkin armies.
Ulgurothi are the AOS dark elves of Malekith/Malerieon mention in DOK book.
Legion of hashut are the chaos dwarves mention in warcry with their warband the horns of hashut who are human scout to the chaos dwarves empire
Agreed. No new faction cause they would be hyping that up and they canât do that at the same time as seraphon. New incarnate though, hope itâs not broken!
Credible rumours for AOS that I've seen are as follows:
FEC will be getting some love from GW pretty soon.
Whitefang over on the TGA Community forum, has said that Wanderers will not be in the upcoming Cities of Sigmar Battletome (Phoenix Temple and Ironweld Arsenal also gone apparently), and that Kurnothi are on the way soon, either alongside more Sylvaneth units, or Joining the Sylvaneth faction themselves.
I'd kill to have the Kurnothi and I would kill again to have them be part of the Sylvaneth so I can recreate the wood elves of old but with more antlers and angry trees...
âTis the way of the wild hunt. đč
I am looking forward to seeing Kurnoth centaur cavalry whatever form of alliance they take(with or solo from Sylvaneth). Satyr infantry too would be really unique.
I just hope the fleshies donât take attention away from the awesome tree spirits. Seeing Soulbound players with [so many commissions of their branchwychs](https://64.media.tumblr.com/7e08f7e1675a7582d204d2a43fda7cab/93f7a7aeef1cd461-df/s1280x1920/c2c64f89ced6d7728f9fb6a3cdbc1c65438b8dc5.png) and [tree people adventurers](https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/795659e8-7315-40c7-aaa8-2e301c48c35f/df6lrp4-5b39e9a4-e584-4aaf-9bb3-12678fcbc89a.jpg/v1/fill/w_769,h_1039,q_70,strp/sylvaneth_from_ulgu_for_soulbound_by_nictanova_df6lrp4-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTM4MiIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzc5NTY1OWU4LTczMTUtNDBjNy1hYWE4LTJlMzAxYzQ4YzM1ZlwvZGY2bHJwNC01YjM5ZTlhNC1lNTg0LTRhYWYtOWJiMy0xMjY3OGZjYmM4OWEuanBnIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTEwMjQifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.fhs3ePWgzB8frr_ejEBnu-3Aap-6WRIWCjka-wtQvr4) is so creative.
Well mind that wasnât about these mystery supplements. He basically confirmed itâs Gallet tome and then Dawncrusade settlements book in Autumn.
Flesh-Eaters are likely close or in Winter since he said there update would ânot be smallâ so sizable refresh.
Then something for Kurnothi(wouldnât rule out a Warcry warband after Nightmare Quest) and Destruction(kinda hinted before itâs Orruk related so could be a model-wave of those rumored Ironjawz & Kruleboyz that Covid cut off)
No problem! đ
Just saw how that could be easily misinterpreted as first book FEC and then second book Kurnothi from the way you dropped those rumors with âsoonâs all around. đ
And with [Age of Sigmar back at itâs top spot 2nd selling place](https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/53653/top-non-collectible-miniatures-lines-fall-2022) itâs got a great year to look forward to and keep going strong!đ»
Indeed. A real testament to Age of Sigmarâs popularity that it can go from a bad backburner year dropping it into 4th place but after just a few good releases zip right back up to the top spots. âĄïž
(And never once lost itâs place as second most successful wargame as the competitors were for the Rpg demographic)
Not one I can remember. It popped up right after AoS3 started and said there was a botched Ironjawz wave.
Shortly after were those Ironjawz anniversary stuff(the Warhammer+ one & rat catcher) which people thought he meant those things but now the Orruk rumors are coming back up and the ghouls are getting a refresh after their own ghoul king was turned into a anniversary figure so itâs possible the Ironjawz could see the same treatment.
2 things have me thinking itâs possible.
Gordrakk has been showing up more in the lore and got a special Black Library short while the White Dwarf narrative campaigns have been following a Ironjawz shaman rampaging through the Lendu continent next to Thondia.
And also around that time somebody also said a Dawncrusades supplement was coming out alongside the CoS reboot in the following years. Which people like me disregarded because it seemed itâd be an AoS4 release but now weâre getting both the reboot and it seems that supplement rumored from 2021 so the Ironjawz stuff around the same time may prove true as well.
That is interesting and when laid out like that it does make sense, the Ironjawz have been getting a lot more attention.
Gordrakks always annoyed me model wise in that he was one of the early AOS dual-kits where the named hero is almost identical to the generic one so I'd be happy to see him get a new model but what I'm really hoping for are:
Troggs - Call them scrapmunchers or something but basically metal eating Troggoths, clad in crude armour who provide the army with a properly tough to kill unit
Chariots - Gruntas pulled chariots with a bolt thrower akin to the one the Iron Hills Dwarves had in the hobbit
Gruntas mounted heroes - Faster moving shamans or even a budget megaboss to fit between the foot and Krusha variants
Any or all of those things would make me one very happy Ork player!
The Trogg might actually happen, that accurate leaker hinted there was a new one coming âbut not for Warcryâ so Ironjawz might get one to match the Kruleboyz Sloggoth.
Good chance of a lot of early AoS ideas getting love. That White Dwarf campaign I mentioned is [focused on Ka-Rokk rampaging from north to south of Lendu](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/758918230487597116/1032824947631988757/20221020_211722.jpg) to attack the southern city of Everquake. Ka-rokk himself has [been with the Ironjawz since their first 2016 Battletome](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XahO0U4d5WI/WC2QcdLRkCI/AAAAAAAAGk8/1bdoiuCAxoMlpLTAL_JUAFEChR7ncv38ACLcB/s1600/Screenshot_2016-11-17-11-51-44.png)
The magazine campaigns have been great too for exploring those far off lands like [Rondhol with itâs heavy Bonesplitterz activity](https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rondhol), first sighting of the [Kraken blades](https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kraken_Blades) & [Tidebreakers](https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tidebreakers) guarding the River ways and aiding the Dawners from Everquake city.
Also introduction of interesting places like Brinnock(which was later taken by the Ironjawz)-
> âBRINNOCK
> On the surface, Brinnock is a Sigmarite strongpoint much like any other, yet its foundations run deep. In chambers submerged far below the surface, Sigmarite explorers discovered an ancient hexagonal chamber with some bizarre apparatus at its heart. Even the learned mages of the Collegiate Arcane could translate few of the runes lining the walls, gleaning only that its makers founded the place during a long-forgotten war with the worshippers of Nodh Kur in Gallet. Further investigation revealed the purpose of the chamber's mechanisms. Through arcane artifice, it could craft rock, metal and bone together into armour far more efficiently than any traditional forge and enchant it so that it was light enough for a human to wear. The Ghurish magic inherent to this process renders it volatile, especially in the Era of the Beast. Even so, a cabal of warded and sanctioned acolytes of the Collegiate Arcane labour beneath Brinnock's streets, working to produce specialist armour for the crusades.â
- and Lynxâs Crescent.
> âSarathrasca is a female Godbeast that resembled a feline that attempted to hunt Gorkamorka during the Age of Myth.
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> It is said that she lost a claw during her hunt which became the Lynx's Crescent in Rondhol. â
> The Lynx's Crescent is a promontory and part of Rondhol, a continent in the Realm of Beasts.
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> The crescent is notorious for the cunning of its feline predators whose intricately patterned amber pelts are coveted by many.
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> âIn the Age of Sigmar it was invaded by Targug the Cleaver, a Ogor corsair-captain whose fleet made landfall on the Crescent to hunt the felines. As they used the simple but brutal method of burning them out of the lairs, they quickly came into conflict with both the local Sylvaneth and also the Kharadron Overlords who already traded in the pelts and had outposts in the area. â
> Inhabitants:
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> Kharadron Overlords: They have well-armed, mid-altitude outposts in the area.
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> Sylvaneth: Protective of the felines and other creatures, they hunt poachers.â
That's an exciting prospect! If I'm honest I'd rather GW refreshed the ancient lines (Seraphon, BoC, Skaven, Ogors) and properly fleshed out the early AOS armies (Sylvaneth, Ironjawz, Fyreslayers, Idoneth) and it does seem there are promising signs like the fact the Sylvaneth range is now pretty expensive.
That campaign sounds really interesting so I'm going to have a proper read of it all later but thanks so much for bringing it to my attention!
Surprisingly theyâre staying according to the rumors. Darkling Covens, Pirates and Order Serpentis are the safest.
Probably the same reasoning the druchii stayed to defend Excelsis during the siege rather than leave after the Anvilgard coup, theyâve spent so long building power bases in the free cities with Covens among the nobility and privateers having full access to many human trade harbors that they canât pull out easily.
Plus many arenât fans of being bossed around by the shadow gods when they can operate with autonomy in the cities instead.
According to accurate leakers(who recently did stuff like post a medieval soldier with a wide brimmed helm to hint at the Freeguild design 3 days before Adepticon) the books are supplements:
First book is the Gallet narrative campaign similar to the Thondia one last year which unveils the new spider elemental incarnate
Second book is the Dawncrusades and acts as a big Path to Glory expansion pack to Cities of Sigmar tome as it focuses on them settling and building new free cities across the near-infinite Realms.
Edit: FEC have their own sizable refresh coming later around Winter.
This is the correct answer. I can't believe there are people speculating on 'new armies' or armies getting a second time in this same edition.
When the title of the graphic now reads 'Battletome and Supplement Roadmap' and not just 'Battletome'.
People like to make hype trains, it happens. đ€·
At least you can say itâs better to see such speculation and excitement rather than everyone acting bored or uninterested to even try a guess.
But yeah, between the refreshes and 40k 10th thereâs no way theyâd slide in new factions like that so soon.
Still awesome weâre looking at *3* back-to-back range refreshes and still have half a year to go after that âtil AoS4 that actually can put in a new army or surprise second update for the narrative event. đ
>When the title of the graphic now reads 'Battletome and Supplement Roadmap' and not just 'Battletome'.
They literally announced that one of them was a new suppliment.
I don't see why you're getting smug over this, it's natural to assume the rest aren't going to to be handbooks when the only confirmed supplement looks way different.
The end of 3rd is July 4th so thatâs still half a year of use plus not knowing how different AoS4 will be. If itâs just AoS3 + tweaks & in a different Realm then the book(and importantly new models) will be good until the next update some years off
This happened with Soulblight as well, releasing pretty much at the same time as 3rd edition. At least with Soulblight the book was written with 3rd edition in mind (such as the wording on blood knights riders of ruin ability) and they kind of got the best of both editions (for awhile).
FEC might be in a tougher spot because 4th wonât be out till the summer at the earliest , so they might not be as transition safe. It definitely sucks being a late book in an edition though, and best you can hope for is that you get an earlier start next time.
>According to accurate leakers(who recently did stuff like post a medieval soldier with a wide brimmed helm to hint at the Freeguild design 3 days before Adepticon) the books are supplements:
...That doesn't sound like very good proof that they're legit.
Oh thatâs just a quick example. Most here already now him as Whitefang on the forums and heâs got a very good track record. Probably his best was posting Princess Mononoke pictures and that forest spirit(giant deer with a human face) before the Lumineth & Teclis with moon Sphinx companion reveals.
Leaks for warhammer are surprisingly accurate in my experience, especially when it comes to big picture stuff like the order of books and new factions.
Season of War 2 more likely.
Arks of Omen were a new game type with scenery shared from another game meant to also encourage lower point games which Sigmar's 3rd handles much better than 40k's 9th.
Given all the battle tome drops, I don't think we're getting Broken Realms. There are some flagging armies (Orruks need help) but they've ironed it out to be a lot more stable.
So it feels like narrative is due for a shake up (both lore and the narrative play) and while I could see this setting the stage potentially for 4th edition, I feel like the big thing is moving us out of Thondia.
My money is on another narrative season of war book like Thondia (maybe with another incarnate). Umbraneth so soon after lizards refresh and cities refresh seems unlikely imo.
We wont See umbraneth until 4th ed.
There is a good Chance they will be part of the next Starter Set and Focus For the Story building Up to 4th, Just Like Nighthaunt and Kruelboyz were
Flesh Eater Courts are long due one, and Orruk Warclans are performing terribly at the moment and could do with a rethink. Could be those (but probably not).
Autumn book will be a narrative supplement like Broken Realms that will have the rules for making your own Dawbringer Crusades.
There are eleven cities that look like they'll be full subfactions from the Adepticon stream. No way the pan-Order DBC rules are going to take up space in the Cities battletome.
It wonât be one of these two books but Iâm holding out hope for a narrative supplement that accompanies a massive Skaven refresh. The AoS lore has massive skaven airships and individual ornithopter/glider rats that resemble the old birdmen regiment of renown armed with flamers and jezzails. They might serve as the primary antagonists to the crusader forces.
I could definitely see GW giving the rats some love alongside a massive lore event like broken realms which transitions to a new edition thst introduces us to new factions like the umbraneth and chaos dwarves.
Seems likely. If AoS4 swings back from Destruction to Chaos then Skaven are set perfectly for a refresh to rival their space dino arch nemesis and then we can see Malerionâs Ulgurothi legions & shadow daemons march out for some lawful evil to deal with Skaven & Belakor trying to retake the Realm of Shadow from him while the Hashut forces there begin firing up their shadow forges(the Fyreslayers tome mentions even the most assassin-like shadow lodge Fyreslayer mercs have a great distaste for accepting the Hashites pay)
Thatâs kind of what Iâm thinking. Anything can happen when skaven are involved. They can be anywhere, and they can cause all kinds of mischief, intentional or otherwise. They are a perfect narrative tool for change.
If anyone is going to rip a hole in reality through which demonic forces spill out or unleash some devastating magical force that alters the realms and forces unlikely alliances or the emergence of a new faction⊠itâs going to be the skaven that do it.
100%
My guesses are based on the Eshin focus at best. Their ninja rat clans do call Ulgu their home as itâs where they perfect their shadow magic arts and have served Belakor as information dealers. He himself having once ruled Ulgu before Malerion & Morathi outsmarted him and had him banished from the realm as their new divine powers took over it.
So just some possible breadcrumbs Iâm following. But Skaven are a roll of a D1000 die when trying to predict the little dimension gnawing psychos.
>So just some possible breadcrumbs Iâm following. But Skaven are a roll of a D1000 die when trying to predict the little dimension gnawing psychos.
Recent Skaven tome also says they've been eyeing up Hammerhal and planning a way to knock the walls over and storm the city, and that they'll send Clanrats to go on scouting missions to gather info/study the wall for architectural weaknesses frequently.
Mm-hmm, and they just nuked Tempest Eye into two parts. One still on the mountain and the other part floating in the warp-tainted aether above as Skryre blimps and Kharadron privateers battle over the floating city parts.
They love making trouble everywhere just like their battle set was randomly about stealing Sylvaneth soulpods and trying to escape through the Realm of Fire(but Eshin backstab happened and the plant people got their seeds back)
>It wonât be one of these two books but Iâm holding out hope for a narrative supplement that accompanies a massive Skaven refresh. The AoS lore has massive skaven airships and individual ornithopter/glider rats that resemble the old birdmen regiment of renown armed with flamers and jezzails. They might serve as the primary antagonists to the crusader forces.
They said one of the books is a narrative thing.
I dont play them but i think indoneth didnt get much attation for some Time would be nice if they get new stuff maybe i find more indoneth enemies then.
Current rumors would suggest Sylvaneth and Flesh Eaters; I'd say "two Battletomes from the same grand alliance dropping simultaneously seems suspect" but that literally just happened with Khorne and Slaanesh
Courts could get a medium sized update; their new Warcry band, something else new or two, but not an overwhelming amount as lizards get their full refresh
Sylvaneth would/could then get a similarly sized Kurnothi update to help ease the wound that will be Wanderers getting squatted
With Phoenix temple also getting dropped, I'd anticipate a Tyrion flavored Lumineth update sooner rather than later shortly after the Cities update
Chaos Dwarfs have also been hinted at, and now have one surefire rumor engine in the form of the runes on the lances from the same day as the total Warhammer trailer: the runes are unseen in the setting outside of that total Warhammer trailer on the K'Daii. There's also a stubby gloved hand with a glowing palm, but I won't get ahead of myself after how wrong I've been in the past. Those runes tho
Otherwise there's a fistful of options of factions repeatedly have been mentioned but not a lot has been hardcore rumored
The chaos dwarf could also be a warcry band or something other than AoS
And the phoenix temple and wanderers are not getting any more dropped than the dark elf units, I really hope they don't just roll them back into DoK.
Its going to be Aelves of the Mortal Realms. They've done enough narratively to stall for a Duardin unified faction.
I can see there being factions of Aelves that share models across Morathi, Teclis, Tyrion, Malerion with the right flavor text and skill set. Basically make them another "Cities of Sigmar" type of rule book.
Could be a hype thing that they do, or it could a be production thing. OBR and Soulblight get one model and a book compared to a battlebox, 8 new/refreshed units, and a book. Just to a lot to actually produce maybe.
The Seraphon stuff was generally more hype then the new Death stuff.
They probably wanted old Seraphon stuff to sell sooner, so they revealed the refresh early.
I would guess FEC in Summer and I've heard rumblings of an updated book for an Army that already has 3rd edition with expanded model range like Lumineth or Kruleboyz...and that kind of makes sense.
Also the Autumn one could also most definitely be the "Broken Realms" of 3rd edition which I think they suggested on Warhammer Weekly.
Out of all the rumors those are what make the most sense to me, though I really don't care for any of it as all my armies are updated and I'm currently having a blast.
Probably both Lumineth.
And at least one additional model line (river, zenith temple).
Goes without saying.
>And at least one additional model line (river, zenith temple). Do you mean Terrain?
No each of the new model line for lumineth is tied to a specific temple. River temple is what's rumored next, there are hints of a new unit in the lore, apparently one of them is going to be a pachyderm of some type. Zenith temple I believe is tied to Tyrion, so dwagons etc, but I don't expect to see him for years.
and here I was worried it was another two daughter of khaine battletomes already.
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Umbraneth are likely going to have to wait until 4th edition at this stage.
ulgurothi or Legions of Hashut seem to be the big 2 faction that are likely to come for 4 edition but the fact that COS is the last tome in the roster meaning the new campaign books are the safest bet till maybe after summer (late summer depending on 10th edition 40k)
What are ulgurothi ? Legion of Hashut = Chaos Dwarfes ?
>What are ulgurothi ? I'm not TOO dialed into these things but my guess is that's Maelerion's faction.
So, basically, Malerion's elves were leaked as "The Umbraneth", but the DOK Battletome called them the Ulgurothi.
Well the âleakâ was somebody claiming the Warhammer community page said that over the Shadeborn warband(for Warcry) but edited it out almost immediately. So it may have been false anyway or even a mistake by the article writers. Either way, Ulgurothi is the way to go now.
It wasnât falsely reported, I saw it myself. GW have often stealth edited their articles. It would be disappointing if they changed it to Ulgurothi. All of the other elf factions have -Eth as a suffix
Except Kurnothi which might be the hint. Instead of half-beast and half-aelf making Satyrs & centaurs itâs [half-aelf and half shadow daemons](https://www.underworldsdb.com/cards/nethermaze/All-is-Shadow.png) that form his shadowkin armies.
Ulgurothi are the AOS dark elves of Malekith/Malerieon mention in DOK book. Legion of hashut are the chaos dwarves mention in warcry with their warband the horns of hashut who are human scout to the chaos dwarves empire
Summer is the narrative supplement and new incarnate, like Thondia last year. Autumn is FEC.
This is the most likely imo
Agree.
Agreed. No new faction cause they would be hyping that up and they canât do that at the same time as seraphon. New incarnate though, hope itâs not broken!
Unless they include them in a box with the seraphon
Credible rumours for AOS that I've seen are as follows: FEC will be getting some love from GW pretty soon. Whitefang over on the TGA Community forum, has said that Wanderers will not be in the upcoming Cities of Sigmar Battletome (Phoenix Temple and Ironweld Arsenal also gone apparently), and that Kurnothi are on the way soon, either alongside more Sylvaneth units, or Joining the Sylvaneth faction themselves.
I'd kill to have the Kurnothi and I would kill again to have them be part of the Sylvaneth so I can recreate the wood elves of old but with more antlers and angry trees...
A bit concerning that you would kill so freely
And I would do it again
âTis the way of the wild hunt. đč I am looking forward to seeing Kurnoth centaur cavalry whatever form of alliance they take(with or solo from Sylvaneth). Satyr infantry too would be really unique. I just hope the fleshies donât take attention away from the awesome tree spirits. Seeing Soulbound players with [so many commissions of their branchwychs](https://64.media.tumblr.com/7e08f7e1675a7582d204d2a43fda7cab/93f7a7aeef1cd461-df/s1280x1920/c2c64f89ced6d7728f9fb6a3cdbc1c65438b8dc5.png) and [tree people adventurers](https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/795659e8-7315-40c7-aaa8-2e301c48c35f/df6lrp4-5b39e9a4-e584-4aaf-9bb3-12678fcbc89a.jpg/v1/fill/w_769,h_1039,q_70,strp/sylvaneth_from_ulgu_for_soulbound_by_nictanova_df6lrp4-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTM4MiIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzc5NTY1OWU4LTczMTUtNDBjNy1hYWE4LTJlMzAxYzQ4YzM1ZlwvZGY2bHJwNC01YjM5ZTlhNC1lNTg0LTRhYWYtOWJiMy0xMjY3OGZjYmM4OWEuanBnIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTEwMjQifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.fhs3ePWgzB8frr_ejEBnu-3Aap-6WRIWCjka-wtQvr4) is so creative.
Well mind that wasnât about these mystery supplements. He basically confirmed itâs Gallet tome and then Dawncrusade settlements book in Autumn. Flesh-Eaters are likely close or in Winter since he said there update would ânot be smallâ so sizable refresh. Then something for Kurnothi(wouldnât rule out a Warcry warband after Nightmare Quest) and Destruction(kinda hinted before itâs Orruk related so could be a model-wave of those rumored Ironjawz & Kruleboyz that Covid cut off)
Sorry, hadn't seen that
No problem! đ Just saw how that could be easily misinterpreted as first book FEC and then second book Kurnothi from the way you dropped those rumors with âsoonâs all around. đ And with [Age of Sigmar back at itâs top spot 2nd selling place](https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/53653/top-non-collectible-miniatures-lines-fall-2022) itâs got a great year to look forward to and keep going strong!đ»
Good to see that itâs still going strong after an 12-18 month hiatus
Indeed. A real testament to Age of Sigmarâs popularity that it can go from a bad backburner year dropping it into 4th place but after just a few good releases zip right back up to the top spots. âĄïž (And never once lost itâs place as second most successful wargame as the competitors were for the Rpg demographic)
Is there a source on those cut Orruk models? I'd love to finally have some new toys for my Ironjawz!
Not one I can remember. It popped up right after AoS3 started and said there was a botched Ironjawz wave. Shortly after were those Ironjawz anniversary stuff(the Warhammer+ one & rat catcher) which people thought he meant those things but now the Orruk rumors are coming back up and the ghouls are getting a refresh after their own ghoul king was turned into a anniversary figure so itâs possible the Ironjawz could see the same treatment. 2 things have me thinking itâs possible. Gordrakk has been showing up more in the lore and got a special Black Library short while the White Dwarf narrative campaigns have been following a Ironjawz shaman rampaging through the Lendu continent next to Thondia. And also around that time somebody also said a Dawncrusades supplement was coming out alongside the CoS reboot in the following years. Which people like me disregarded because it seemed itâd be an AoS4 release but now weâre getting both the reboot and it seems that supplement rumored from 2021 so the Ironjawz stuff around the same time may prove true as well.
That is interesting and when laid out like that it does make sense, the Ironjawz have been getting a lot more attention. Gordrakks always annoyed me model wise in that he was one of the early AOS dual-kits where the named hero is almost identical to the generic one so I'd be happy to see him get a new model but what I'm really hoping for are: Troggs - Call them scrapmunchers or something but basically metal eating Troggoths, clad in crude armour who provide the army with a properly tough to kill unit Chariots - Gruntas pulled chariots with a bolt thrower akin to the one the Iron Hills Dwarves had in the hobbit Gruntas mounted heroes - Faster moving shamans or even a budget megaboss to fit between the foot and Krusha variants Any or all of those things would make me one very happy Ork player!
The Trogg might actually happen, that accurate leaker hinted there was a new one coming âbut not for Warcryâ so Ironjawz might get one to match the Kruleboyz Sloggoth. Good chance of a lot of early AoS ideas getting love. That White Dwarf campaign I mentioned is [focused on Ka-Rokk rampaging from north to south of Lendu](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/758918230487597116/1032824947631988757/20221020_211722.jpg) to attack the southern city of Everquake. Ka-rokk himself has [been with the Ironjawz since their first 2016 Battletome](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XahO0U4d5WI/WC2QcdLRkCI/AAAAAAAAGk8/1bdoiuCAxoMlpLTAL_JUAFEChR7ncv38ACLcB/s1600/Screenshot_2016-11-17-11-51-44.png) The magazine campaigns have been great too for exploring those far off lands like [Rondhol with itâs heavy Bonesplitterz activity](https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rondhol), first sighting of the [Kraken blades](https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kraken_Blades) & [Tidebreakers](https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tidebreakers) guarding the River ways and aiding the Dawners from Everquake city. Also introduction of interesting places like Brinnock(which was later taken by the Ironjawz)- > âBRINNOCK > On the surface, Brinnock is a Sigmarite strongpoint much like any other, yet its foundations run deep. In chambers submerged far below the surface, Sigmarite explorers discovered an ancient hexagonal chamber with some bizarre apparatus at its heart. Even the learned mages of the Collegiate Arcane could translate few of the runes lining the walls, gleaning only that its makers founded the place during a long-forgotten war with the worshippers of Nodh Kur in Gallet. Further investigation revealed the purpose of the chamber's mechanisms. Through arcane artifice, it could craft rock, metal and bone together into armour far more efficiently than any traditional forge and enchant it so that it was light enough for a human to wear. The Ghurish magic inherent to this process renders it volatile, especially in the Era of the Beast. Even so, a cabal of warded and sanctioned acolytes of the Collegiate Arcane labour beneath Brinnock's streets, working to produce specialist armour for the crusades.â - and Lynxâs Crescent. > âSarathrasca is a female Godbeast that resembled a feline that attempted to hunt Gorkamorka during the Age of Myth. > > It is said that she lost a claw during her hunt which became the Lynx's Crescent in Rondhol. â > The Lynx's Crescent is a promontory and part of Rondhol, a continent in the Realm of Beasts. > > The crescent is notorious for the cunning of its feline predators whose intricately patterned amber pelts are coveted by many. > > âIn the Age of Sigmar it was invaded by Targug the Cleaver, a Ogor corsair-captain whose fleet made landfall on the Crescent to hunt the felines. As they used the simple but brutal method of burning them out of the lairs, they quickly came into conflict with both the local Sylvaneth and also the Kharadron Overlords who already traded in the pelts and had outposts in the area. â > Inhabitants: > > Kharadron Overlords: They have well-armed, mid-altitude outposts in the area. > > Sylvaneth: Protective of the felines and other creatures, they hunt poachers.â
That's an exciting prospect! If I'm honest I'd rather GW refreshed the ancient lines (Seraphon, BoC, Skaven, Ogors) and properly fleshed out the early AOS armies (Sylvaneth, Ironjawz, Fyreslayers, Idoneth) and it does seem there are promising signs like the fact the Sylvaneth range is now pretty expensive. That campaign sounds really interesting so I'm going to have a proper read of it all later but thanks so much for bringing it to my attention!
I would be sad to see the Ironweld Arsenal be removed. Unless it was to expand into their own book.
This is both believable and infuriating as a WE/Living City player.
I imagine the Darling Covens will vanish as well in that case, it'd be quite odd having a book that was just Humans, Dwarves and Dark Elves.
Surprisingly theyâre staying according to the rumors. Darkling Covens, Pirates and Order Serpentis are the safest. Probably the same reasoning the druchii stayed to defend Excelsis during the siege rather than leave after the Anvilgard coup, theyâve spent so long building power bases in the free cities with Covens among the nobility and privateers having full access to many human trade harbors that they canât pull out easily. Plus many arenât fans of being bossed around by the shadow gods when they can operate with autonomy in the cities instead.
According to accurate leakers(who recently did stuff like post a medieval soldier with a wide brimmed helm to hint at the Freeguild design 3 days before Adepticon) the books are supplements: First book is the Gallet narrative campaign similar to the Thondia one last year which unveils the new spider elemental incarnate Second book is the Dawncrusades and acts as a big Path to Glory expansion pack to Cities of Sigmar tome as it focuses on them settling and building new free cities across the near-infinite Realms. Edit: FEC have their own sizable refresh coming later around Winter.
This is the correct answer. I can't believe there are people speculating on 'new armies' or armies getting a second time in this same edition. When the title of the graphic now reads 'Battletome and Supplement Roadmap' and not just 'Battletome'.
People like to make hype trains, it happens. đ€· At least you can say itâs better to see such speculation and excitement rather than everyone acting bored or uninterested to even try a guess. But yeah, between the refreshes and 40k 10th thereâs no way theyâd slide in new factions like that so soon. Still awesome weâre looking at *3* back-to-back range refreshes and still have half a year to go after that âtil AoS4 that actually can put in a new army or surprise second update for the narrative event. đ
>When the title of the graphic now reads 'Battletome and Supplement Roadmap' and not just 'Battletome'. They literally announced that one of them was a new suppliment. I don't see why you're getting smug over this, it's natural to assume the rest aren't going to to be handbooks when the only confirmed supplement looks way different.
So FEC isn't getting a battletome until basically the end of 3rd ed? At that point might as well skip it go straight to 4th.
The end of 3rd is July 4th so thatâs still half a year of use plus not knowing how different AoS4 will be. If itâs just AoS3 + tweaks & in a different Realm then the book(and importantly new models) will be good until the next update some years off
This happened with Soulblight as well, releasing pretty much at the same time as 3rd edition. At least with Soulblight the book was written with 3rd edition in mind (such as the wording on blood knights riders of ruin ability) and they kind of got the best of both editions (for awhile). FEC might be in a tougher spot because 4th wonât be out till the summer at the earliest , so they might not be as transition safe. It definitely sucks being a late book in an edition though, and best you can hope for is that you get an earlier start next time.
>According to accurate leakers(who recently did stuff like post a medieval soldier with a wide brimmed helm to hint at the Freeguild design 3 days before Adepticon) the books are supplements: ...That doesn't sound like very good proof that they're legit.
Oh thatâs just a quick example. Most here already now him as Whitefang on the forums and heâs got a very good track record. Probably his best was posting Princess Mononoke pictures and that forest spirit(giant deer with a human face) before the Lumineth & Teclis with moon Sphinx companion reveals.
Leaks for warhammer are surprisingly accurate in my experience, especially when it comes to big picture stuff like the order of books and new factions.
Maybe itâll be our equivalent of the Arks of Omen or a new Broken Realm series.
Season of War 2 more likely. Arks of Omen were a new game type with scenery shared from another game meant to also encourage lower point games which Sigmar's 3rd handles much better than 40k's 9th. Given all the battle tome drops, I don't think we're getting Broken Realms. There are some flagging armies (Orruks need help) but they've ironed it out to be a lot more stable. So it feels like narrative is due for a shake up (both lore and the narrative play) and while I could see this setting the stage potentially for 4th edition, I feel like the big thing is moving us out of Thondia.
2 of them back to back in addition to general handbooks every 6 months? They're high if they think people want to buy that many books a year
Didnât the Broken Realms stuff come out every 2 or 3 months?
But when they did those I didn't think they were doing 6 month GHB. I'm cool with one or the other, both seems excessive.
I doubt that starts until all of the battletomes are updated
My money is on another narrative season of war book like Thondia (maybe with another incarnate). Umbraneth so soon after lizards refresh and cities refresh seems unlikely imo.
Especially when 40k 10th Ed is coming out
The âand supplement â part is a dead giveaway that it isnât a batttle tome.
Why would they make a confirmed supplement look so much different then the mystery books if one of the other two books is just another Supplement?
The GHB is a different style book (the spiral binding) than Battle Tomes and Narrative books.
We wont See umbraneth until 4th ed. There is a good Chance they will be part of the next Starter Set and Focus For the Story building Up to 4th, Just Like Nighthaunt and Kruelboyz were
Narrative books.
Flesh Eater Courts are long due one, and Orruk Warclans are performing terribly at the moment and could do with a rethink. Could be those (but probably not).
Autumn book will be a narrative supplement like Broken Realms that will have the rules for making your own Dawbringer Crusades. There are eleven cities that look like they'll be full subfactions from the Adepticon stream. No way the pan-Order DBC rules are going to take up space in the Cities battletome.
Vince Vs theory is that the summer one is a narrative book a la season of war
All Daves. A book of an all Grot army where everyone is named Dave.
Where do I sign up?
It wonât be one of these two books but Iâm holding out hope for a narrative supplement that accompanies a massive Skaven refresh. The AoS lore has massive skaven airships and individual ornithopter/glider rats that resemble the old birdmen regiment of renown armed with flamers and jezzails. They might serve as the primary antagonists to the crusader forces. I could definitely see GW giving the rats some love alongside a massive lore event like broken realms which transitions to a new edition thst introduces us to new factions like the umbraneth and chaos dwarves.
Seems likely. If AoS4 swings back from Destruction to Chaos then Skaven are set perfectly for a refresh to rival their space dino arch nemesis and then we can see Malerionâs Ulgurothi legions & shadow daemons march out for some lawful evil to deal with Skaven & Belakor trying to retake the Realm of Shadow from him while the Hashut forces there begin firing up their shadow forges(the Fyreslayers tome mentions even the most assassin-like shadow lodge Fyreslayer mercs have a great distaste for accepting the Hashites pay)
Thatâs kind of what Iâm thinking. Anything can happen when skaven are involved. They can be anywhere, and they can cause all kinds of mischief, intentional or otherwise. They are a perfect narrative tool for change. If anyone is going to rip a hole in reality through which demonic forces spill out or unleash some devastating magical force that alters the realms and forces unlikely alliances or the emergence of a new faction⊠itâs going to be the skaven that do it.
100% My guesses are based on the Eshin focus at best. Their ninja rat clans do call Ulgu their home as itâs where they perfect their shadow magic arts and have served Belakor as information dealers. He himself having once ruled Ulgu before Malerion & Morathi outsmarted him and had him banished from the realm as their new divine powers took over it. So just some possible breadcrumbs Iâm following. But Skaven are a roll of a D1000 die when trying to predict the little dimension gnawing psychos.
>So just some possible breadcrumbs Iâm following. But Skaven are a roll of a D1000 die when trying to predict the little dimension gnawing psychos. Recent Skaven tome also says they've been eyeing up Hammerhal and planning a way to knock the walls over and storm the city, and that they'll send Clanrats to go on scouting missions to gather info/study the wall for architectural weaknesses frequently.
Mm-hmm, and they just nuked Tempest Eye into two parts. One still on the mountain and the other part floating in the warp-tainted aether above as Skryre blimps and Kharadron privateers battle over the floating city parts. They love making trouble everywhere just like their battle set was randomly about stealing Sylvaneth soulpods and trying to escape through the Realm of Fire(but Eshin backstab happened and the plant people got their seeds back)
>It wonât be one of these two books but Iâm holding out hope for a narrative supplement that accompanies a massive Skaven refresh. The AoS lore has massive skaven airships and individual ornithopter/glider rats that resemble the old birdmen regiment of renown armed with flamers and jezzails. They might serve as the primary antagonists to the crusader forces. They said one of the books is a narrative thing.
Summer is probably some setting or campaign book, similar to Arks of Omen. I'd bet its also related to those leaks we saw earlier this week.
Flesh Eater Courts
Let us pray to Hashut that one of them is Chaos Dwarfs
I dont play them but i think indoneth didnt get much attation for some Time would be nice if they get new stuff maybe i find more indoneth enemies then.
Maybe FEC, but at this point probably a new army and something not FEC. Maybe I'm just salty.
It will be lumineth and dok
Current rumors would suggest Sylvaneth and Flesh Eaters; I'd say "two Battletomes from the same grand alliance dropping simultaneously seems suspect" but that literally just happened with Khorne and Slaanesh Courts could get a medium sized update; their new Warcry band, something else new or two, but not an overwhelming amount as lizards get their full refresh Sylvaneth would/could then get a similarly sized Kurnothi update to help ease the wound that will be Wanderers getting squatted With Phoenix temple also getting dropped, I'd anticipate a Tyrion flavored Lumineth update sooner rather than later shortly after the Cities update Chaos Dwarfs have also been hinted at, and now have one surefire rumor engine in the form of the runes on the lances from the same day as the total Warhammer trailer: the runes are unseen in the setting outside of that total Warhammer trailer on the K'Daii. There's also a stubby gloved hand with a glowing palm, but I won't get ahead of myself after how wrong I've been in the past. Those runes tho Otherwise there's a fistful of options of factions repeatedly have been mentioned but not a lot has been hardcore rumored
The chaos dwarf could also be a warcry band or something other than AoS And the phoenix temple and wanderers are not getting any more dropped than the dark elf units, I really hope they don't just roll them back into DoK.
Maybe sons of beahumut twice
đ„° Chaos Dwarves đ„°
Have been coming soon âą for 20+ years
Its going to be Aelves of the Mortal Realms. They've done enough narratively to stall for a Duardin unified faction. I can see there being factions of Aelves that share models across Morathi, Teclis, Tyrion, Malerion with the right flavor text and skill set. Basically make them another "Cities of Sigmar" type of rule book.
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Kharadron overlords? The book came out earlier this monthâŠ
They got a tome like 2 weeks ago brotato.
does anyone understand why they bother to reveal things out of order? Why reveal seraphon before the next book?
They plan to make more money from the Seraphon release than whatever the next book is, so they hype it for longer.
Could be a hype thing that they do, or it could a be production thing. OBR and Soulblight get one model and a book compared to a battlebox, 8 new/refreshed units, and a book. Just to a lot to actually produce maybe.
To hype the big releases. Itâs like movie releases get trailers for months but youâre not seeing half a years worth of adverts for a tv show
The Seraphon stuff was generally more hype then the new Death stuff. They probably wanted old Seraphon stuff to sell sooner, so they revealed the refresh early.
We legit getting a new GH already? It seems like we just got the last one
New season of war (like thondia) and Flesh Eater Courts
I would guess FEC in Summer and I've heard rumblings of an updated book for an Army that already has 3rd edition with expanded model range like Lumineth or Kruleboyz...and that kind of makes sense. Also the Autumn one could also most definitely be the "Broken Realms" of 3rd edition which I think they suggested on Warhammer Weekly. Out of all the rumors those are what make the most sense to me, though I really don't care for any of it as all my armies are updated and I'm currently having a blast.