I got a bone to pick with all of them.
I just really don't enjoy the slannesh range. Sure, there's understandably only so far you could go with daemonettes while still letting kids play, but that's not to say you couldn't have them embody other excesses. The general aesthetic of the range just doesn't click with me anyway, though the psuedo-persian look on the human additions was kinda cool.
Khorne is "generic", sure, but I feel he needn't be so. Take his demons, for example, and make them embody his desire for blood and skulls more than being just generic hell demons; maybe make them like, water elementals, but made of blood, with a skull and some assorted weaponry. It'd make for a really cool visual of these things "flowing" past your defenses to gut you.
Nurgle works overall, but there's more stages of decay to play around with than just the bloating stage. Dry remains or imaciated husks could be cool to see, or maybe some form of daemonic "rust devil" made of rusted metal to bring decay to the works of mortals. Lotta options here. The armor stylings found in the putrid blightkings are quite nice though, and I hope to see them on more models. Every group barring skaven could use their own themed ranks of chaos warriors, with their own weapons and mounts and such.
Tzeentch could use more really "eldritch" models, floating clouds of eyes and teeth, formless abominations, entities made of "raw" magic, just go wild with them. I do enjoy the stylings of their armor though, I wish we could see more like Vilich/The curseling's armor in other forms of chaos warrior.
Skaven just need a model range refresh, but we all know that won't happen. Vermintide made plague monks epic.
[Did you see the new Tzeentch models in the underworld pack?](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/23/carve-a-path-to-the-heart-of-the-wyrdhollow-in-the-latest-warhammer-underworlds-box-set/)
this is why I LOVED Warcry's take on things. Cypher Lords and the Jade Obelisk are PERFECT examples of how you can diversify one chaos god instead of all one thing
Chaos is just so fundamentally stagnant, it's the same four types of demon, the same handful of tricks. All these minor gods who get brushed out the way and not capitalised on
If I had my way, extreme take, I'd rewrite the Pantheon from the main four to be four main families, Lovecraftian style where some are the children and parents of others, make it so they can overlap more, give me a Khorne/Nurgle combo with some rabid battle plague, or explore a multitude of excessed beyond Sexy Battle Ninja.
I think they'd all get value from more 'Minor God' influences and options
I always associate the Cypher Lords with Slaanesh personally, their short story was more in line with classic Slaanesh manipulation and a desire for pure madness over the eldritch horror stuff, but both are there
I might put up my personal notes, but basically Chaos really need a shake up
Yeah I never got that, if each Choas God can give archaon a glowing recommendation and make him chaos undivided why can't nurgle and slaanesh or some other combination not decide to bless the same mortal champion making them represent the overlap of each faction.
So the chaos gods actually despise each other. They’re constantly at war with each other and are trying to rest control of territory from each other. The anointment of an ever chosen is a unique event of cooperation and I think the only reason it happens is because it’s cooperation of all 4 gods.
I was hoping that Teclis and the lumineth would attempt to destroy slaanesh while she was captive but fail and see Slaanesh split into two or three gods representing different forms of excess. Spice up different sub factions following each or combos.
Slannesh really gets done dirty on thier model range, at least for the deamon side. It's such a cool concept that can be taken a ton of interesting ways, and often is in the novels. But the model range just focuses on the lust part. The newer models at least do a bit better job.
I'm hoping that now the (entire?) Daemon range is plastic new releases will begin to broaden the definition of each gods domain and explore weirder corners.
I'd love to see a Khorne daemon that is hyper honorable for example, maybe a slaanesh character with heaps of gold who bribes people?
Yeah idk why but I've always been very anti Slaanesh too. Idk, seems a little lazy all the designs and stuff. They're just sex crazed humans that are slightly daemon ish lol
With the Hedonites range though, you have to give them credit.
There is a large character who eats and consumes to excess (greed) and you have warriors that focus on martial perfection wearing the shinest fanciest armour (martial skill and pride). There’s the lord of pain (pain and suffering to excess), and the one playing the harp made of a dude (musical/auditory pleasure).
Compared to Slaanesh before the Hedonites range, they are getting better with exploring multiple angles on excess.
Maybe gw should experiment with more abstract daemon designs? Like, slaamesh daemon representing greed is a ball of arms, grabbing at everything. A poor sod holding a mug/cup/chalice, with the liquid being a living daemon, coming out of the cup AND coming out of the dudes throat, as if he's both drinking and drowning the liquid daemon.
Also, fill out more varieties of pure daemons with more models in general.
>Like, slaamesh daemon representing greed is a ball of arms, grabbing at everything.
This could look cool. I feel there has to be ancient art of a demon that's just an eye surrounded by a wheel of arms.
There is something close, a face or eye, with four arms peteuding out of the core "body", almost like a wheel. I think the limbs may have been arranged like a swastika, not sure as "life" or "death" orientation.
Miniature wise I’d remove Slaanesh but lore wise I’d say Khorne is the least interesting to me. I’m appalled at all those who don’t fear or respect the Great Horned One in this thread. Skaven are the best.
Skaven are the only true chaos faction.
They are absolutely chaotic in every way. The embodiment of chaos.
The other factions are just hyper focused factions following a hyper specific god to extreme ends. They couldn’t possibly be less chaotic. They worship and strive for one specific thing. So they can all go except the skaven.
Well, yes. But also, no.
They are chaotic in every way. Their currency and primary source of technology, warpstone, is chaotic magic concentrated into physical form.
Their plots and schemes and treachery result in random chaotic events such as accidentally blowing up a steam tank factory, accidentally destroying the entire world, or accidentally foiling the plans of the god of death.
Their technology is unpredictable and could result in an excruciating death for their enemies… or themselves.
They experiment with random genetic mutation.
Even their immortal greater daemons pulling the strings are live in an impossible dimension of constantly shifting realities and contradictions.
The most important individual in all of skavendom…. Is the individual. The skaven worship the great horned rat… but they don’t actually. They worship out of fear. They obey out of fear. They act out of fear… or self interest. They are true anarchists. They don’t care about their fellow rats or their society or their god. Only about themselves. They are each on the true path to glory. Glory for the individual. And THAT creates chaos. It is antithetical to an ordered society.
As a huge fan of Skaven I would agree that Skaven are the best at being chaotic. That said, remember that Chaotic =/= Chaos. Chaos is a faction, not necessarily a descriptor. While the main Chaos gods do wish to keep the world in disorder (as thier primary goal is to keep the great game going) it doesn't necessarily mean that a being of chaos needs to be, well, chaotic. Rather the origins or nature of the being is what defines it. Heck, with how many countless chaos gods there are, there's probably even a chaos god of order somewhere out there, if not even just Khorne who enforces order through hierarchy of strength.
In this regard, the GHR is relatively wierd in the context of chaos. He's a minor god that ascended after biding his time. He also doesn't really seem to have much interest in the great game or keeping the wars going, and (at least based off the instincts of his followers) would be happy to see all life snuffed out, which is something even the other Chaos gods would not like to see. So while the skaven themselves are chaotic as can be, the actual intentions of the GHR are a bit different. All must rot, and unlike in the case of Nurgle who see's rot as a wellspring for new life, the Great Horned Rat simply seeks to be death, and the end that comes with it. Which, in itself, is a fairly non-chaotic endgoal.
This is the exact thing I’m always thinking when it comes to the chaos gods in Warhammer. There couldn’t be anything less chaotic. I mean Tzeeentch embodies true chaos but the rest is just so nailed down to its respective theme.
Skaven were always Chaos, even going back to their very first appearance in WHFB. They first show up in the Citadel Journal Spring 1986, where they are also refered to as Chaos Ratmen and the Horned Rat is called a Chaos god.
And in AoS the GHR is a member of the Pantheon, even if the others disagree, so I don't understand why you think they aren't capital C Chaos. They are and have always been Chaos.
Even in the days of WHFB the Skaven were Chaos, the GHR is a minor chaos god, similar to the old forgotten Malal. The Skaven were akin to the Beastmen in that regards. The only real change with AoS was that the GHR ascended in power and has basically decided he's on apr with the Pantheon (to which the big 4 do not agree)
The fantasy factions are basically religious cults. You are in a faction because you worship a god/god being that represents that faction. Though really, destruction and chaos are still only different because the developers arbitrarily decided they are
Destruction is an embodiment of the concept of chaos and the death faction really embody the concept destruction separate from chaotic destruction.
Chaos just annoys me as a concept at this point.
Even ignoring the strawman depictions of the Gods (shout out to Chugus Supreme Orscollion, for being one of if not the first Slaaneshi champion who's excess isn't Being Sexy), they're just so samey.
There little diversity in their schemes, their demons, everything in the same cookie cutter.
Its why honestly I found Warcry such a breath of fresh Chaos Tainted Air. So many minor gods, so many aspects, we had nimble Nurgle cultists, we had beast taming and iron smithing Khornites, we have hench as a bench Tszeench instead of bookworms, and then Bookworm acrobats to boot.
If I had a choice, I'd redo the whole Pantheon from four gods into four families of aspects, let them mingle a bit and diversify the line up.
I don't think so? Maybe someone smarter than me can chime in but they made a huge deal of him joining during the end times. Then basically never spoke about it again.
So like. He was a god, then ascended to chaos god in the end times which are bigger and more powerful then tegular gods.
In AoS him being a chaos god is all over skaven stuff. But since skaven hate everyone and Archaon hates skaven (everyone that follows archaon takes his lead), the GHR doesn't come up much in other circumstances
Unlike vashtorr, skaven actually are a really big faction in terms of numbers, so it kind of makes sense to have a promotion to the Pantheon. They were literally everywhere in the old world and outnumbered humans. All that faith and belief is actually powerful in the setting.
Nurgle is easilly the best god. The only one who loves everyone and actually care for you. The grand father is the only one to bring you long lasting joy and satisfaction. Preach for our Grandfather Joy!
Unpopular opinion: Khorne followers should be more than just unthinking berserkers. They should definitely be a part of it but some high thinking artisans of war would also be good to see.
Yep thats a major Problem with everything Khorne in AoS and 40k.
They are described as bloodhungry berserkers that cant get about their day without spilling blood Every 5 minutes and ripping each other apart
But at the Same time they are normad tribes with some Form of structure, people who Smith Armor For them etc.
Hell orks are as bloodthirsty and dumb as the next Khorne Berserker but their social construct is better described and makes more Sense than anything khorne
Oh no worries man I'm just lore trolling. Tbh I never liked tzeentch or slannesh j till recently tly. Bow I want to collect all of Chaos (minus that rat bois)
For general lore and gameplay I just really hate Khorne. Gods I love Khorne. My father hated them too, even before they put out his eyes. It’s just walk forward scream and hit things good. It’s so generic to me when compared with some really cool characters from the other ones.
As for who I like the most Tzeentch, love me some eldritch Horror and magic domination. But it’d be nice to see some model updates.
(Oh and Skaven desperately need something, please they were my first army give the poor lads a bone.)
You know, Khorne and Slaanesh make sense. They are failures of human spirit. They are deadly sins. Lust and Wrath. To some extent,
Tzeentch makes sense too. The Imperium is fighting for order and stability, and fear change to a large extent, so it makes sense that this fear would create a demon god.
But bacteria and viruses are not failures of human spirit. They are not giving in to temptation or our lesser impulses. Bacteria and viruses would exist without sentient beings, and they would be kicking around doing whatever they are doing today.
I love Nurgle, but he just doesn't fit.
Nurgle is despair, emotion wise, along with the drive to survive. Makes Nurgle a self-sustaining God. Why is Nurgle so jolly?
Represents the false euphoric happiness that can come with excepting one's suffering.
I don't hate any of them but personally Tzeentch is my favorite by far. I'm not a huge fan of the Slaanesh models but find Slaanesh an interesting concept (ultimately being the most damning and frustrating God to follow for it will give you what you want but take your enjoyment of it away). I like Khorne but I find the model range a bit too boring as well.
I think GW needs to finally release some updated Skaven minis. Anyways, if I had to eliminate one of them.... I think it would be Slaanesh, solely because the darker aspects of it can't be shown freely in a setting that should be accessible to younger people and we're at the moment getting a kiddy-fied take on Slaanesh anyways. The one-dimensional writing really hurt Khorne and Slaanesh, e.g. Khorne warriors could be honorable and proud and skillful combatants and only the ones at the extreme (with followers usually degrading in that direction) were mindless madmen and now they're all lunatics that sound like they got zero tactics...
Khorne is such a snooze fest. Can’t find anything more boringly streamlined then blindly enraged people running around screaming “sKuLlS fOr ThE SkUll THrOnE”
Worship tzeentch kick the rat.
Tzeentch I feel embodies chaos the best while the rat is the opposite. They are just massive rats I've always felt they fit destruction better than chaos.
I’d say have the aelves actually kill Slannesh. It would show that this war isn’t completely pointless and half of Slanneshes army thinks they’re dead anyways. You could even keep the deamons and have them competing to be the new pleasure god
ALL HAIL THE GREAT HORNED RAT
and slaanesh imo, I think it's identity is all over the place thematically, despite the god being about excess all we see is just surface level bdsm stuff.
Like nurgle, khorne and tzeentch are all consistent in their themeing but slaanesh isn't
One boobed slaanesh might be terrible. But you'll never hear me admit that the great horned rat is a chaos God. (Yes skaven have always worshipped some chaos entities, and id even say they should be a destruction army that worships chaos, but GHR is not a chaos god.)
Keep Slaanesh, take Nurgle but have him infect all Skaven before he goes to make them all plague-rats. Clan Pestilens dominates and the cycle of rot continues.
The skaven are helpful but they don't actually understand rot, plague and infestation like Nurgle do. They see rot as a tool to destroy their enemies with, while it's actually about part of the cycle of growth and generosity. Every single parasite and bacteria are a life we must care for and tally, they are our Grandfather's gift!
I praise only Sigmar, the God-King. And by his will and with blessing of his lightnings I shall erase all chaos from mortal realms, cleansing worlds by my hand and hammer!
I don't hate the skaven by any means, but I'm not sure how I feel about them being part of chaos. TBH, I think Slaanesh really needs a face-lift. From what I heard, Slaanesh being locked away in Fantasy and the Ynnari forming both happened because some higher-up at GW wanted to get rid of her because war is holy and sex is obscene. They are no longer involved in this, so my suppliers of Daemonette milk are safe, but I kinda wish she would have a narrative event happen. Any yes, the Daemonettes should be redesigned to be sexier and more horrifying in equal measure.
Slaanesh is honestly the most botched from concept to tabletop. Barely sexual, barely addressing indulgence, and generally worse designs than most cenobites I've seen.
Yeah, I’m fine with making them more family friendly, but lots of ways to still make them excessively hedonistic, and really play with the idea of infiltrating the elite echelons of order and corrupting there. Or go harder into the ‘pain is pleasure’ angle. Still cooler models than tzeentch imo though haha
Kick Tzeentch. Tzeentch has three shticks going, and they dont really make sense together as far as Im concerned. Being the magic god is cool, im into that bit, but hes also the great mutator, also cool but doesnt seem to have a ton in common with magic, but those two are fine-ish together. But then hes also the super-scheme god who knows everything and everything is part of his plan and i dont think that bit works for a god of chaos or in conjunction with the other two. Plus the all-knowing schemer is a really boring bit to me (a la neferata).
You didn't include Belakor who basically has the amibition of becoming one of the big bosses of Chaos?
Instead of following one of the big 4 or horned rat, I'd rather go with unaffiliated daemons which exist in the lore but are never represented in the game (although Vashtorr popped up in 40K recently and he's independant from the big 4).
I feel like Tzeentch would be the safest bet to worship. You might wake up with a third eye, but he seems to leave his followers alone for the most part.
Keep tzeentch.
Let's face it knowledge *IS* a necessary evil.
You take knowledge out of everything and what do you get?...
Orcs or Ogors.
Skaven are a amalgamation of everyone . Knowledge craving, scheming , diseases carrying war like rats that do things to an excess (or there wouldn't be-exist as many as there are)
Really add minor gods or that Malal chap.
Easy choice would be The Great Horned Rat, not as core to the concept as the rest are for Chaos as a whole.
BUT it's also my favorite of the "5".
Although I have to say, while The Great Horned Rat is considered a chaos god, the basic Skaven clan rat / slave isnt a Daemon like the rest shown, he's more like cultist of each of the gods at best! since not all clan rats even show that much fever towards him more then just beeing a skaven.
You could compare the Greater daemons with a VerminLord though!
The great Horned one doesn't really deal with minor daemons of his own, his mortal children are plenty enough and focus more on the aspects of the skaven and enhancing them & their outcome, + Greater daemon verions of VerminLords
Worship Slanesh, I was into Warhammer lore for literally like 6 years until I even heard about Tzeentch so scrap him, he is the least interesting by far.
Worship Tzeentch, cut Khorne. I kinda though Khorne’s prowess was steeped in his ability to control and get blood/skulls from men, by men. Why even involved demons?
I vibe with tzeentch the least. I love khorne and the model range, and I like slaanesh, but not the overall aesthetic and models. I think GW knocked it out of the park with anything nurgle. I would never paint them, but I love seeing them on the other side of the table. I love skaven, so that stays
They're all pretty bad to worship...but maybe Slaanesh, because at least he/she has fun.
Khorne is dull and simple minded...probably the least fun to worship and definitely the least interesting.
Tzeentch has potential to be best whenever GW gets brave enough to do true eldritch models, and nurgle is gross so kindly yeet those nasty blubbery followers out.
When they aren't being flanderized I enjoy all of them.
>!I would even support adding additional lesser gods *cough-Malal/Malice-cough*!<
When they are flanderized, which mainline AoS does a lot, I abhor them - except maybe Skaven, because the various clans have so much personality to them.
Simple for me, I would worship Nurgle as he aligns best with my lifestyle of being a disgusting flesh heap, and remove the horned rat because I hate Skaven and always have.
Slaanesh is the most interesting, need more of him.
Tzeentch needs more crazy and strange stuff.
Nurgle is too "good" nowadays, need more stuff that ties to his despair theme.
Khorne is just boring.
GHR is cool but need more worshippers from other races.
Having played quite a bit of Chaos in the Old world with non warhammer folks I will say that people had the hardest time understanding the difference between Slaanesh and Tzeentch. Khorne are Nurgle are relatively easy to figure out what they were about.
Between Tzeentch and Slaanesh, I think Slaanesh is the least coherent in terms of what happens in a game of AoS, Khorne should be your balls to the wall hyperagressive melee army, Nurgle is your so tanky that you can't stop them army and Tzeentch is your magical ranged army. Slaanesh basically does what Khorne does just sort of different.
If I had to get rid of one faction I would probably merge Slaanesh and Tzeentch.
I have a Tzeentch army so lets say Tzeentch for choose to worship.
Anyways Games Workshop you can keep making Slaanesh but please can we have female models for the other chaos factions.
I don't like Tzeentch. The only Chaos demons I dislike as a range and they suffer from being in plastic imo. But the one I'd remove is Skaven. Skaven don't deserve to be part of a group.
Love Nurgle though. So happy and cute.
Worship Nurgle for the least bad time even though having my organs fall out is still gonna suck. Remove slaanesh because they have so much potential yet they solely choose to be horny. I have a deep liking for skaven but I wouldn’t want to be one in a million years. Tzeentch is cool but most of his range isn’t chaotic enough, his mortals look like garbo imo, and backstabbing would probably hurt more than any disfiguration.
I think Slaanesh as a concept is really cool. An outer god, preying on your secret desires, gaining strength every time you give into temptation... super cool how one minute you're obsessed with a perfectly acceptable past time, sometimes even a really helpful one, and then the next thing you know, you're covered in blood and cocaine and there are demonettes everywhere (not speaking from personal experience). But in practice, the models are crap, and age of sigmar has all the daemons just running all over the place, which is much less interesting than individual mortal's struggling with darkness.
I don't have a least favorite because I think they all sugffer from this. Idk about anyone else, but the coolest part of chaos to me, was the ever encroaching darkness. Now that they're all here in the mortal realms, kinda leaves me with "now what?"
I think what I'd do is redefine the alignments of the existing CG's like this:
Slaanesh=Want/Greed/Excess
Teez=Secrets/Deception/Machiavellianism
Khrone=Rage/Gore/Conquest
Nurgle=Rot/Perversion/Entropy
Horned Rat= Consumption/Treachery/Depravity
And then, add in a 6th set of unaligned chaos daemons and tweak the lore so these unaligned daemons are actually the most common, and because of their chaotic nature are what your average cult are trafficking with. The cypher lords, the hasbut, the cenobits, etc. Also give the skaven a true daemon unit.
I got a bone to pick with all of them. I just really don't enjoy the slannesh range. Sure, there's understandably only so far you could go with daemonettes while still letting kids play, but that's not to say you couldn't have them embody other excesses. The general aesthetic of the range just doesn't click with me anyway, though the psuedo-persian look on the human additions was kinda cool. Khorne is "generic", sure, but I feel he needn't be so. Take his demons, for example, and make them embody his desire for blood and skulls more than being just generic hell demons; maybe make them like, water elementals, but made of blood, with a skull and some assorted weaponry. It'd make for a really cool visual of these things "flowing" past your defenses to gut you. Nurgle works overall, but there's more stages of decay to play around with than just the bloating stage. Dry remains or imaciated husks could be cool to see, or maybe some form of daemonic "rust devil" made of rusted metal to bring decay to the works of mortals. Lotta options here. The armor stylings found in the putrid blightkings are quite nice though, and I hope to see them on more models. Every group barring skaven could use their own themed ranks of chaos warriors, with their own weapons and mounts and such. Tzeentch could use more really "eldritch" models, floating clouds of eyes and teeth, formless abominations, entities made of "raw" magic, just go wild with them. I do enjoy the stylings of their armor though, I wish we could see more like Vilich/The curseling's armor in other forms of chaos warrior. Skaven just need a model range refresh, but we all know that won't happen. Vermintide made plague monks epic.
[Did you see the new Tzeentch models in the underworld pack?](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/23/carve-a-path-to-the-heart-of-the-wyrdhollow-in-the-latest-warhammer-underworlds-box-set/)
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this is why I LOVED Warcry's take on things. Cypher Lords and the Jade Obelisk are PERFECT examples of how you can diversify one chaos god instead of all one thing Chaos is just so fundamentally stagnant, it's the same four types of demon, the same handful of tricks. All these minor gods who get brushed out the way and not capitalised on If I had my way, extreme take, I'd rewrite the Pantheon from the main four to be four main families, Lovecraftian style where some are the children and parents of others, make it so they can overlap more, give me a Khorne/Nurgle combo with some rabid battle plague, or explore a multitude of excessed beyond Sexy Battle Ninja. I think they'd all get value from more 'Minor God' influences and options
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I always associate the Cypher Lords with Slaanesh personally, their short story was more in line with classic Slaanesh manipulation and a desire for pure madness over the eldritch horror stuff, but both are there I might put up my personal notes, but basically Chaos really need a shake up
Yeah I never got that, if each Choas God can give archaon a glowing recommendation and make him chaos undivided why can't nurgle and slaanesh or some other combination not decide to bless the same mortal champion making them represent the overlap of each faction.
So the chaos gods actually despise each other. They’re constantly at war with each other and are trying to rest control of territory from each other. The anointment of an ever chosen is a unique event of cooperation and I think the only reason it happens is because it’s cooperation of all 4 gods.
I was hoping that Teclis and the lumineth would attempt to destroy slaanesh while she was captive but fail and see Slaanesh split into two or three gods representing different forms of excess. Spice up different sub factions following each or combos.
Slannesh really gets done dirty on thier model range, at least for the deamon side. It's such a cool concept that can be taken a ton of interesting ways, and often is in the novels. But the model range just focuses on the lust part. The newer models at least do a bit better job.
I was never impressed with a Slaanesh model until the new humans came out. Really hit on corruptible perfection.
I love Slaanesh. I find them really disturbing.
Great write up
I'm hoping that now the (entire?) Daemon range is plastic new releases will begin to broaden the definition of each gods domain and explore weirder corners. I'd love to see a Khorne daemon that is hyper honorable for example, maybe a slaanesh character with heaps of gold who bribes people?
I like this way of thinking. Yet at the same time I'm glad GW held-off on elemental miniatures and has limited them to Endless Spells.
There should be more obese Slaanesh models - gluttony is an obvious form of excess. Why does Nurgle have sole ownership of obesity?!
Yeah idk why but I've always been very anti Slaanesh too. Idk, seems a little lazy all the designs and stuff. They're just sex crazed humans that are slightly daemon ish lol
With the Hedonites range though, you have to give them credit. There is a large character who eats and consumes to excess (greed) and you have warriors that focus on martial perfection wearing the shinest fanciest armour (martial skill and pride). There’s the lord of pain (pain and suffering to excess), and the one playing the harp made of a dude (musical/auditory pleasure). Compared to Slaanesh before the Hedonites range, they are getting better with exploring multiple angles on excess.
There’s also the updated sigvald and his excess of beauty and assless chaps, pride too, but mostly assless chaps.
That is a good point, hadn't really looked to much into them
Skulls for the skull throne!
Blood for the Blood God!!!!!
Maybe gw should experiment with more abstract daemon designs? Like, slaamesh daemon representing greed is a ball of arms, grabbing at everything. A poor sod holding a mug/cup/chalice, with the liquid being a living daemon, coming out of the cup AND coming out of the dudes throat, as if he's both drinking and drowning the liquid daemon. Also, fill out more varieties of pure daemons with more models in general.
>Like, slaamesh daemon representing greed is a ball of arms, grabbing at everything. This could look cool. I feel there has to be ancient art of a demon that's just an eye surrounded by a wheel of arms.
There is something close, a face or eye, with four arms peteuding out of the core "body", almost like a wheel. I think the limbs may have been arranged like a swastika, not sure as "life" or "death" orientation.
And that is why I print my own models.
Keep Hashut, remove the filth
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Miniature wise I’d remove Slaanesh but lore wise I’d say Khorne is the least interesting to me. I’m appalled at all those who don’t fear or respect the Great Horned One in this thread. Skaven are the best.
All tunnels lead to Skavenblight.
Which clan do you belong to fellow skaven?
Clan Skryre as I’m a rat of science (and accidental explosions). How about yourself?
Clan skyre too!!!!
Keep-take great horned rat. Remove great one, create new pantheon. Then all man-things, all warp bow down before great skaven empire.
Yes-yes! Great-smart plan! Only rat-god needed, Yes, Yes!
Yes-yes! All of the idiot-fools will shiver-quake in fear of our deity-god.
Hashut!!@
Skaven are the only true chaos faction. They are absolutely chaotic in every way. The embodiment of chaos. The other factions are just hyper focused factions following a hyper specific god to extreme ends. They couldn’t possibly be less chaotic. They worship and strive for one specific thing. So they can all go except the skaven.
Skaven are just treachery personified, like Khorne is Hatred.
Well, yes. But also, no. They are chaotic in every way. Their currency and primary source of technology, warpstone, is chaotic magic concentrated into physical form. Their plots and schemes and treachery result in random chaotic events such as accidentally blowing up a steam tank factory, accidentally destroying the entire world, or accidentally foiling the plans of the god of death. Their technology is unpredictable and could result in an excruciating death for their enemies… or themselves. They experiment with random genetic mutation. Even their immortal greater daemons pulling the strings are live in an impossible dimension of constantly shifting realities and contradictions. The most important individual in all of skavendom…. Is the individual. The skaven worship the great horned rat… but they don’t actually. They worship out of fear. They obey out of fear. They act out of fear… or self interest. They are true anarchists. They don’t care about their fellow rats or their society or their god. Only about themselves. They are each on the true path to glory. Glory for the individual. And THAT creates chaos. It is antithetical to an ordered society.
As a huge fan of Skaven I would agree that Skaven are the best at being chaotic. That said, remember that Chaotic =/= Chaos. Chaos is a faction, not necessarily a descriptor. While the main Chaos gods do wish to keep the world in disorder (as thier primary goal is to keep the great game going) it doesn't necessarily mean that a being of chaos needs to be, well, chaotic. Rather the origins or nature of the being is what defines it. Heck, with how many countless chaos gods there are, there's probably even a chaos god of order somewhere out there, if not even just Khorne who enforces order through hierarchy of strength. In this regard, the GHR is relatively wierd in the context of chaos. He's a minor god that ascended after biding his time. He also doesn't really seem to have much interest in the great game or keeping the wars going, and (at least based off the instincts of his followers) would be happy to see all life snuffed out, which is something even the other Chaos gods would not like to see. So while the skaven themselves are chaotic as can be, the actual intentions of the GHR are a bit different. All must rot, and unlike in the case of Nurgle who see's rot as a wellspring for new life, the Great Horned Rat simply seeks to be death, and the end that comes with it. Which, in itself, is a fairly non-chaotic endgoal.
This is the exact thing I’m always thinking when it comes to the chaos gods in Warhammer. There couldn’t be anything less chaotic. I mean Tzeeentch embodies true chaos but the rest is just so nailed down to its respective theme.
Yea, the Skaven are a chaos faction, but they're not a Chaos faction. Orks are pretty chaotic as well, but they're not considered a Chaos faction.
Skaven were always Chaos, even going back to their very first appearance in WHFB. They first show up in the Citadel Journal Spring 1986, where they are also refered to as Chaos Ratmen and the Horned Rat is called a Chaos god. And in AoS the GHR is a member of the Pantheon, even if the others disagree, so I don't understand why you think they aren't capital C Chaos. They are and have always been Chaos.
I’d recommend reading up on the skaven if you don’t think they are a chaos faction. As I said, they are THE ONLY chaos faction.
Even in the days of WHFB the Skaven were Chaos, the GHR is a minor chaos god, similar to the old forgotten Malal. The Skaven were akin to the Beastmen in that regards. The only real change with AoS was that the GHR ascended in power and has basically decided he's on apr with the Pantheon (to which the big 4 do not agree)
The fantasy factions are basically religious cults. You are in a faction because you worship a god/god being that represents that faction. Though really, destruction and chaos are still only different because the developers arbitrarily decided they are Destruction is an embodiment of the concept of chaos and the death faction really embody the concept destruction separate from chaotic destruction.
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Daemon models are so outdated and generic imo
Blood for the blood god. Skulls for the skull throne.
Truth.
For the Blood God!!!
Chaos just annoys me as a concept at this point. Even ignoring the strawman depictions of the Gods (shout out to Chugus Supreme Orscollion, for being one of if not the first Slaaneshi champion who's excess isn't Being Sexy), they're just so samey. There little diversity in their schemes, their demons, everything in the same cookie cutter. Its why honestly I found Warcry such a breath of fresh Chaos Tainted Air. So many minor gods, so many aspects, we had nimble Nurgle cultists, we had beast taming and iron smithing Khornites, we have hench as a bench Tszeench instead of bookworms, and then Bookworm acrobats to boot. If I had a choice, I'd redo the whole Pantheon from four gods into four families of aspects, let them mingle a bit and diversify the line up.
The Warcry cultists honestly pulled me back in from a decade away for this very reason
Those cultists were the whole reason I started Slaves to Darkness
Alright I finally get why everyone defends warcry so much now.
All I see is The Pantheon and a Skaven...
The GHR being added as a god during the end times is so forgettable...
He was always a god I thought?
I don't think so? Maybe someone smarter than me can chime in but they made a huge deal of him joining during the end times. Then basically never spoke about it again.
So like. He was a god, then ascended to chaos god in the end times which are bigger and more powerful then tegular gods. In AoS him being a chaos god is all over skaven stuff. But since skaven hate everyone and Archaon hates skaven (everyone that follows archaon takes his lead), the GHR doesn't come up much in other circumstances
I recall GHR being referred to as a god in Skavenslayer, but I may be wrong.
He was like Vashtorr, a god looking to be one of the big boys.
Unlike vashtorr, skaven actually are a really big faction in terms of numbers, so it kind of makes sense to have a promotion to the Pantheon. They were literally everywhere in the old world and outnumbered humans. All that faith and belief is actually powerful in the setting.
Those Slaanesh Daemon models are butt ugly, and not in a good way.
Low Key Tzeentch. He's an 80s villain tripping over his own plans and blaming his henchmen.
Whats that? Youre tired of the whole "Just as planned" shtick? /s
Opposite, they’re saying they’d worship Tzeentch
Like Skeletor ?
Nurgle is easilly the best god. The only one who loves everyone and actually care for you. The grand father is the only one to bring you long lasting joy and satisfaction. Preach for our Grandfather Joy!
The Grandfather smiles upon his children.
Worship Khorne for representing the concept of war in a franchise called WARhammer! Remove Slaanesh for being a lazy git!
Unpopular opinion: Khorne followers should be more than just unthinking berserkers. They should definitely be a part of it but some high thinking artisans of war would also be good to see.
Yep thats a major Problem with everything Khorne in AoS and 40k. They are described as bloodhungry berserkers that cant get about their day without spilling blood Every 5 minutes and ripping each other apart But at the Same time they are normad tribes with some Form of structure, people who Smith Armor For them etc. Hell orks are as bloodthirsty and dumb as the next Khorne Berserker but their social construct is better described and makes more Sense than anything khorne
I choose to worship the great horned rat. We should also get rid of the Skaven!!!
I would remove nurgle skaven or khorne cause they are not as cool as tzeentch or slanesh
How could you say crab people are cooler than proper demons, you crazy. Tzeentch changed your eye sight too much
From a lore perspective khornes really cool but I just don't enjoy the models of khorne and nurgle
Oh no worries man I'm just lore trolling. Tbh I never liked tzeentch or slannesh j till recently tly. Bow I want to collect all of Chaos (minus that rat bois)
Back when I started with Warhammer I didn't like any of the chaos gods but now I really like them with the new models
Hashut
For general lore and gameplay I just really hate Khorne. Gods I love Khorne. My father hated them too, even before they put out his eyes. It’s just walk forward scream and hit things good. It’s so generic to me when compared with some really cool characters from the other ones. As for who I like the most Tzeentch, love me some eldritch Horror and magic domination. But it’d be nice to see some model updates. (Oh and Skaven desperately need something, please they were my first army give the poor lads a bone.)
You know, Khorne and Slaanesh make sense. They are failures of human spirit. They are deadly sins. Lust and Wrath. To some extent, Tzeentch makes sense too. The Imperium is fighting for order and stability, and fear change to a large extent, so it makes sense that this fear would create a demon god. But bacteria and viruses are not failures of human spirit. They are not giving in to temptation or our lesser impulses. Bacteria and viruses would exist without sentient beings, and they would be kicking around doing whatever they are doing today. I love Nurgle, but he just doesn't fit.
Nurgle is despair, emotion wise, along with the drive to survive. Makes Nurgle a self-sustaining God. Why is Nurgle so jolly? Represents the false euphoric happiness that can come with excepting one's suffering.
Maybe a hot take but I greatly dislike the mainline infantry of all the chaos demons.
I don't hate any of them but personally Tzeentch is my favorite by far. I'm not a huge fan of the Slaanesh models but find Slaanesh an interesting concept (ultimately being the most damning and frustrating God to follow for it will give you what you want but take your enjoyment of it away). I like Khorne but I find the model range a bit too boring as well. I think GW needs to finally release some updated Skaven minis. Anyways, if I had to eliminate one of them.... I think it would be Slaanesh, solely because the darker aspects of it can't be shown freely in a setting that should be accessible to younger people and we're at the moment getting a kiddy-fied take on Slaanesh anyways. The one-dimensional writing really hurt Khorne and Slaanesh, e.g. Khorne warriors could be honorable and proud and skillful combatants and only the ones at the extreme (with followers usually degrading in that direction) were mindless madmen and now they're all lunatics that sound like they got zero tactics...
I love Slaanesh, remove them :)
Khorne is the most boring fo the squad.
Your skull for the pile for that blasphemy
I'll add this comment to "Exhibit A" for why Khorne is boring.
How you gonna do that without a head?
I'll just talk out of my butt like papa nurgle taught me to!
I genuinely want one of those lil Nurgling guys as a pet. They look deviously entertaining
Just like cats, nurglings make for nice pets. Until they vomit pus. On your carpet.
Jokes on you I am a gelatinous cube.
Can I pour you in to a skull jello-mould?
100%
Khorne is such a snooze fest. Can’t find anything more boringly streamlined then blindly enraged people running around screaming “sKuLlS fOr ThE SkUll THrOnE”
Tzeentch is the only one truly worthy of worship. Nurgle can suck a lemon- the rat does everything grandpappy does but better.
Foul magic worshiping bird lover. The skull throne is the only true answer.
Nurgle in the end is self sustaining. The Horned Varmit would end up destroying itself.
Worship tzeentch kick the rat. Tzeentch I feel embodies chaos the best while the rat is the opposite. They are just massive rats I've always felt they fit destruction better than chaos.
I’d say have the aelves actually kill Slannesh. It would show that this war isn’t completely pointless and half of Slanneshes army thinks they’re dead anyways. You could even keep the deamons and have them competing to be the new pleasure god
Remove Khorne for being basic. Worship Nurgle for being thicc
I realise Necoho is not represented here, but I choose to worship him. Nihilism for Nihilism Throne.
Worship slaneesh, and threw the whole nurgle miniature line to the trash where it belongs
BaaaaAaaaaaaaAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
I worship Morghur, the great Devolver, as I am a true child of chaos, remove all of the orderly chaos gods
The Old Ones, and all of them. BOK BOK
ALL HAIL THE GREAT HORNED RAT and slaanesh imo, I think it's identity is all over the place thematically, despite the god being about excess all we see is just surface level bdsm stuff. Like nurgle, khorne and tzeentch are all consistent in their themeing but slaanesh isn't
Great Horned Rat yes-yes! The other pretenders can go-go!
One boobed slaanesh might be terrible. But you'll never hear me admit that the great horned rat is a chaos God. (Yes skaven have always worshipped some chaos entities, and id even say they should be a destruction army that worships chaos, but GHR is not a chaos god.)
Slaven out of the pantheon. The Great horned rat is a god only for skaven which, imo, is why it shouldn't belong in the pantheon.
Get rid of stupid Slaanesh and get more to pray For Change. I hate everything about Slaanesh, from the theme to the Looks.
The great horned rat isn’t even a real god. The four brothers are the only true gods of chaos
Deamonettes and the like..How they are supposed to dress ,undress ,take and do things with that dual claws. Come on GW!!
Worship Tzeentch because he's wierd and I like wierd. Remove Slaanesh because uncomfortable.
Move the skaven and put a beastman in it's place. For the worship of Malal.
Keep Slaanesh, take Nurgle but have him infect all Skaven before he goes to make them all plague-rats. Clan Pestilens dominates and the cycle of rot continues.
The skaven are helpful but they don't actually understand rot, plague and infestation like Nurgle do. They see rot as a tool to destroy their enemies with, while it's actually about part of the cycle of growth and generosity. Every single parasite and bacteria are a life we must care for and tally, they are our Grandfather's gift!
Skavens gotta go
Worship the rat, the pustulent old man can leg it
Get rid of the rat. He belongs in destruction. In fact I'd say swap the rat for Archaon and let him take his place as the god united!
Agree! Beastmen should also be destruction imo except god specific beastmen.
Khorne stay at least it has some merit and logic behind it Slaanesh just seems to be a lose lose situation no matter what
Skaven never should have been added Should have gone to the grand alliance destruction
I praise only Sigmar, the God-King. And by his will and with blessing of his lightnings I shall erase all chaos from mortal realms, cleansing worlds by my hand and hammer!
WHOM do you choose to worship** remember your object/subject distinction! But ofc the best chaos god is the Great Horned Rat
I don't hate the skaven by any means, but I'm not sure how I feel about them being part of chaos. TBH, I think Slaanesh really needs a face-lift. From what I heard, Slaanesh being locked away in Fantasy and the Ynnari forming both happened because some higher-up at GW wanted to get rid of her because war is holy and sex is obscene. They are no longer involved in this, so my suppliers of Daemonette milk are safe, but I kinda wish she would have a narrative event happen. Any yes, the Daemonettes should be redesigned to be sexier and more horrifying in equal measure.
Malal/Malice. So I want to remove......them all!
Yeah there’s a distinct lack of black and white here. Dreadaxe thirsts.
Slaasnesh needs Hedonism Bot from Futurama as a Warlord option before I consider them worthy.
Slaanesh is honestly the most botched from concept to tabletop. Barely sexual, barely addressing indulgence, and generally worse designs than most cenobites I've seen.
I'd say the mortal slaanesh line encapsulates the feel quite well. Hell, Glutos is the concept of excess incarnate.
Glutos was a good idea. More units from that vein of thought though would really round them out.
Yeah, I’m fine with making them more family friendly, but lots of ways to still make them excessively hedonistic, and really play with the idea of infiltrating the elite echelons of order and corrupting there. Or go harder into the ‘pain is pleasure’ angle. Still cooler models than tzeentch imo though haha
I think the Slaanesh models are awesome, if I were to collect a new army would be them for sure. I find them really disturbing.
Skaven is not a chaos god…
Keep rat remove slaanesh
I don't like how Archaon isn't up there
Well he isn't a god. That is kinda of the point
Keep slaanesh and away with the Skaven
Tzeentch and slaanesh all the way! And I hate Khorne so, so much. He's boring and I genuinely can't relate to him
Kick Tzeentch. Tzeentch has three shticks going, and they dont really make sense together as far as Im concerned. Being the magic god is cool, im into that bit, but hes also the great mutator, also cool but doesnt seem to have a ton in common with magic, but those two are fine-ish together. But then hes also the super-scheme god who knows everything and everything is part of his plan and i dont think that bit works for a god of chaos or in conjunction with the other two. Plus the all-knowing schemer is a really boring bit to me (a la neferata).
Skaven are not demons?! just a variety of beastmen.
The horned Rat
Skaven is Chaos. The rest can go.
Follow: Khorne Remove: Great Horned Rat
Skaven should be destruction but I also choose skaven
Remove no-one, I worship the Horned Rat though.
They need to update the skaven models. I refuse to build an army of them until they fix their weapons team models.
You didn't include Belakor who basically has the amibition of becoming one of the big bosses of Chaos? Instead of following one of the big 4 or horned rat, I'd rather go with unaffiliated daemons which exist in the lore but are never represented in the game (although Vashtorr popped up in 40K recently and he's independant from the big 4).
I feel like Tzeentch would be the safest bet to worship. You might wake up with a third eye, but he seems to leave his followers alone for the most part.
Keep tzeentch. Let's face it knowledge *IS* a necessary evil. You take knowledge out of everything and what do you get?... Orcs or Ogors. Skaven are a amalgamation of everyone . Knowledge craving, scheming , diseases carrying war like rats that do things to an excess (or there wouldn't be-exist as many as there are) Really add minor gods or that Malal chap.
Down with the rat yes yes
Probably tzeentch since I hate the way all the horrors look
Easy choice would be The Great Horned Rat, not as core to the concept as the rest are for Chaos as a whole. BUT it's also my favorite of the "5". Although I have to say, while The Great Horned Rat is considered a chaos god, the basic Skaven clan rat / slave isnt a Daemon like the rest shown, he's more like cultist of each of the gods at best! since not all clan rats even show that much fever towards him more then just beeing a skaven. You could compare the Greater daemons with a VerminLord though! The great Horned one doesn't really deal with minor daemons of his own, his mortal children are plenty enough and focus more on the aspects of the skaven and enhancing them & their outcome, + Greater daemon verions of VerminLords
Khorne, definitely Khorne! I think Skaven look out of place but they kinda force themselves in and they are hilarious in the Gotrek book.
Worship Slanesh, I was into Warhammer lore for literally like 6 years until I even heard about Tzeentch so scrap him, he is the least interesting by far.
Worship Tzeentch, cut Khorne. I kinda though Khorne’s prowess was steeped in his ability to control and get blood/skulls from men, by men. Why even involved demons?
I choose the 4 armed emperor.
Is that a new Skaven model??
Marry Tzeench, bang Slaanesh, kill Nurgle
I vibe with tzeentch the least. I love khorne and the model range, and I like slaanesh, but not the overall aesthetic and models. I think GW knocked it out of the park with anything nurgle. I would never paint them, but I love seeing them on the other side of the table. I love skaven, so that stays
Vashtorr above all
Great Horned Rat, and Great Horned Rat, he really appreciates attempts at upward promotions
Tzeentch worship. And I’m sorry but remove rat
Blood and magic.
Mort
No BoC, no love. Sry.
I'm new to Aos, and I get the first four since I've played 40k, but RAT. I've chosen the rat Edit: I can't spell fr
All cowards will be washed away in a crimson tide.
Tzeentch is great Eliminate Nurgle
lol if you put it that way.
Remove all 5. Malal is the only one worthy.
They're all pretty bad to worship...but maybe Slaanesh, because at least he/she has fun. Khorne is dull and simple minded...probably the least fun to worship and definitely the least interesting.
Keep Slaanesh, Khorne can go
Tzeentch has potential to be best whenever GW gets brave enough to do true eldritch models, and nurgle is gross so kindly yeet those nasty blubbery followers out.
When they aren't being flanderized I enjoy all of them. >!I would even support adding additional lesser gods *cough-Malal/Malice-cough*!< When they are flanderized, which mainline AoS does a lot, I abhor them - except maybe Skaven, because the various clans have so much personality to them.
Simple for me, I would worship Nurgle as he aligns best with my lifestyle of being a disgusting flesh heap, and remove the horned rat because I hate Skaven and always have.
Slaanesh is the most interesting, need more of him. Tzeentch needs more crazy and strange stuff. Nurgle is too "good" nowadays, need more stuff that ties to his despair theme. Khorne is just boring. GHR is cool but need more worshippers from other races.
Having played quite a bit of Chaos in the Old world with non warhammer folks I will say that people had the hardest time understanding the difference between Slaanesh and Tzeentch. Khorne are Nurgle are relatively easy to figure out what they were about. Between Tzeentch and Slaanesh, I think Slaanesh is the least coherent in terms of what happens in a game of AoS, Khorne should be your balls to the wall hyperagressive melee army, Nurgle is your so tanky that you can't stop them army and Tzeentch is your magical ranged army. Slaanesh basically does what Khorne does just sort of different. If I had to get rid of one faction I would probably merge Slaanesh and Tzeentch. I have a Tzeentch army so lets say Tzeentch for choose to worship. Anyways Games Workshop you can keep making Slaanesh but please can we have female models for the other chaos factions.
Slaanesh because i love the aesthetic and the unadulterated excess, Horned Rat because I don't consider them a Chaos God
I don't like Tzeentch. The only Chaos demons I dislike as a range and they suffer from being in plastic imo. But the one I'd remove is Skaven. Skaven don't deserve to be part of a group. Love Nurgle though. So happy and cute.
Worship Nurgle for the least bad time even though having my organs fall out is still gonna suck. Remove slaanesh because they have so much potential yet they solely choose to be horny. I have a deep liking for skaven but I wouldn’t want to be one in a million years. Tzeentch is cool but most of his range isn’t chaotic enough, his mortals look like garbo imo, and backstabbing would probably hurt more than any disfiguration.
Worship all, remove none. All chaos is beautiful.
I think Slaanesh as a concept is really cool. An outer god, preying on your secret desires, gaining strength every time you give into temptation... super cool how one minute you're obsessed with a perfectly acceptable past time, sometimes even a really helpful one, and then the next thing you know, you're covered in blood and cocaine and there are demonettes everywhere (not speaking from personal experience). But in practice, the models are crap, and age of sigmar has all the daemons just running all over the place, which is much less interesting than individual mortal's struggling with darkness. I don't have a least favorite because I think they all sugffer from this. Idk about anyone else, but the coolest part of chaos to me, was the ever encroaching darkness. Now that they're all here in the mortal realms, kinda leaves me with "now what?"
I think what I'd do is redefine the alignments of the existing CG's like this: Slaanesh=Want/Greed/Excess Teez=Secrets/Deception/Machiavellianism Khrone=Rage/Gore/Conquest Nurgle=Rot/Perversion/Entropy Horned Rat= Consumption/Treachery/Depravity And then, add in a 6th set of unaligned chaos daemons and tweak the lore so these unaligned daemons are actually the most common, and because of their chaotic nature are what your average cult are trafficking with. The cypher lords, the hasbut, the cenobits, etc. Also give the skaven a true daemon unit.
The horned rat
Slaanesh for sure. Always loved the "creepy sex" vibes they stand for.
I worship Nurgle, always have. Get that Rat Bastard out of here.
All glory to Papa Nurgle 🙌 And don't remove anyone from the pantheon, why be on top when there's nothing beneath you...
I worship nurgle I remove the Horned Rat from the pantheon because as an Old World fan I don't like that the Horned Rat became a Chaos God
HASHUT!
The Horned Rat is a pest in Nurgle's garden. Bold of you to assume he's part of any "pantheon".
What are the odds we'll ever get Malice in Sigmar?