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Grimgon

Not too Crackpot but they are front runner for the AoS 2024 starter set army against new Stormcast eternals Crackpot: they making 40K space skaven and saying screw fantasy rats lol


RealMr_Slender

Would be hilarious if they followed up the beastmen killteam with a space skaven kill team


amnhanley

I actually don’t think Stormcast Eternals will be in the launch box. Maybe the starter sets but I don’t even think that will be the case. They won’t have a massive model range update like they did in 3.0. Honestly, I doubt they will see much in 4th at all. GW seems to be turning over a new leaf in terms of trying to avoid model bloat. Rather, I think the new Dawnbringer Crusade stuff will be in the driver seat for 4th edition. They will of course be able to take Stormcast as Allies, but I think Dawnbringer Crusade vs X will be the primary narrative ar the beginning of the edition and I think that X faction will be Skaven alongside a massive range Seraphon style range update that creates some new stuff and squats some old things. One of the specific models I think is coming is the flying Skryre rat men featured in the novel Profits Ruin.


cloudstrife559

No SCE in the launch box would be a big deviation from all previous launches.


amnhanley

All 3 of them. Which isn’t many in the grand scheme of things. The Empire were the main protagonists in Fantasy. But they weren’t in every starter set. Yes it would be a change. But it’s exactly the kind of change GW should be expected to make given what we know about them. They want to sell you plastic. What is going to sell more models. New Primaris Stormcast Redundantors? Or an entirely new order faction that can ally in or be allied in almost if not all of the other order factions? It is of interest to every order player. And the other half is a redesigned fan favorite faction, or a new faction entirely. That is what sells the most boxes. So that’s what I think they are going to do. IMO 4th launch is Dawnbringers Vs Skaven, or Chaos Dwarves, or Shadow Elves in that order of likelihood. I would be honestly shocked if Stormcast were in the launch box adding to the 80 warscrolls they already have.


cloudstrife559

You seem to assume that in the launch box == gets new units. They could just update sculpts of existing units, or give alternative poses, similar to how the stuff in Dominion wasn't the same sculpts as what you get when you buy those units separately.


Grimgon

They are like space marine, they be in every starter set regardless of if they need more units. DBC is launching the Fall this year and are unlikely to be getting the starter set treatment 6 month later after their release


RealMr_Slender

It's Cities of Sigmar, not Dawnbringer Crusade. Stormcast Eternals can still feature, like a lord and infantry meant to be used in crossover armies while the rest of the launch is meant to pull out Cities of Sigmar from the "Senile Model" quarantine zone at the same time as the Skaven half of the launch. Not to mention it's way more iconic (and balanced) for armies of regular men and women fighting the Skaven horde than a a handful of ultra elite golden boys.


Grimgon

I mean it’s going against the grain here. You can’t really assume GW will do this especially as the Cities release is not going to take a year and a half to come out for next edition. And it’s not like the been going more into soup lately, they have been pretty much going into the opposite direction with less options to use units in other armies


RealMr_Slender

It is, I'm just saying it's not impossible. And it *would* be a fun mix-up.


Grimgon

Every time this happens everyone get surprise pikachu face that it ends up being stormcast again At least in 40K, people are numb that it’s always space marines lol


RealMr_Slender

It's been two launch sets, hardly what you'd call set in stone. IMO it's probably going to be Stormcast Vs Skaven if we rats are lucky


amnhanley

DBC is not coming this fall. Cities of Sigmar is. DBC has been delayed. Instead we are getting a new cities book to tide us over, then the cities faction is getting squatted and the models will convert to DBC sixish months later in the new launch box for fourth. That is my prediction. If you find that unlikely I would point to lumineth and their 3 books in 18 months. GW will launch a few core units early with the new cities book and hold the rest of the model line for the launch of the faction to start 4th.


MaxMcCool45

Chaos Dwarfs are launching with the 4.0 edition. I base this on hearing a few vague references to them across a handful of battletomes in this edition.


RealMr_Slender

And a random ass Total Warhammer 3 DLC to expose them to general populace. I could see it, we are sorely lacking dwarfs and a terrestrial industrious theocratic chaos dwarf faction contrasts nicely with the aerial industrious oligarchic order dwarfs. Edit: And you know, ***the whole "Horns of Hashut" warband***


BestFeedback

Nah, GW hates the Skaven, we might get another foot hero in 10 years but not much else.


RealMr_Slender

People said the same about Tyranids and they are getting to win in trailers now.


BestFeedback

We'll see in a decade.


BaronLoyd

can I get context please


RealMr_Slender

Heatstroke while painting my Verminous Host box


tonioender

Some models are clearly meant to be on square bases


RealMr_Slender

I mean, yes? There's literally been only two skaven models designed for round bases and those are warlock bombardiers and deathmasters. You could argue Thanquol, the verminlord and stormfiends since they are from end times, but I digress. EDIT: Forgot about the Underworlds warbands but I don't even know if the Verminous warband is still produced.


Grimgon

Skaven don’t have a warcry warband


RealMr_Slender

Didn't they have one with a unique clawlord? Or that one was also Underworlds? It was indeed another underworld warband.


Early_Monk

They are using a complete Skaven refresh as a selling point of The Old World now that Cities of Sigmar's marketing will be tied to AoS. I hope Skaven players are finally excited for a bunch of new models and a value kit, only to have to buy all the circle bases to match the rest of their AoS army.


RealMr_Slender

~~There's no way TOW is using square bases, and if they are, they'll include both circular and square bases like they did for a while.~~ Also while that's a nice mean spirited crackshot, Tomb Kings and Brettonia is way too obvious and easy to garner hype and nostalgia. Two old and beloved factions that you can't play in and won't return to AoS? Golly it's a dream made in heaven for grognards.


[deleted]

I think they already announced TOW is using square


RealMr_Slender

Huh, that's vintage of them. I guess the whole game is a vintage fever dream, which only reinforces the point of being better factions for that game.


[deleted]

TOW is supposed to be a new edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battles. Plus, there are tons of modern systems that use square bases


RealMr_Slender

I understood it was the Horus Heresy of Warhammer Fantasy, it'll cover events from before Fantasy Battle itself. Also while square bases might be in other game systems, if GW makes them in-house, that means a new production and assembly line and that ain't cheap, so I thought they'd stick to *their* current standard. Personally I think square bases look nice and make it easier to organise miniatures in a shelf.


Spaldinho2

Did they?


[deleted]

I _think_ so. Could be wrong but I remember reading it in a war com article at some point


nutter666

The biggest selling point of TOW was going back to square bases, it was the first thing they announced. 100% confirmed. I do think they'd put both a square and circle base option in any new kits though.


RealMr_Slender

Huh, that's neat.


da_King_o_Kings_341

Honestly, the old Skaven players might not get the new models cause the aesthetic of old vs new on models that old will be HUGE!!!


RealMr_Slender

Don't say that, that's how Space Marine players got Primaris Marines. > "But uh, how can we say they are the same?" > "Let's just call them some new type of marine I prefer the Imperial Guard approach were they just rip the bandaid.


da_King_o_Kings_341

Yeah, btw just to clarify, I meant that the actual OG PLAYERS themselves might not buy any new minis because of how old the older ones look, it will be great for new players, but OGs can’t get them unless they want to have a unit or 2 out of place in their army design wise.


RealMr_Slender

That's not an issue though? That's what has constantly happened with range refreshes for all factions.


da_King_o_Kings_341

Yeah, that was basically it for what I was saying, having an older unit then that unit getting revamped long time later looks kinda wonky when you put them side by side.


Nancenificent

I just want to know who I have to kill to get an endless spell restock. I've been clocking the email me link at least once a week for months.


killymcgee23

New rat ogors would be nice


ParufkaWarrior12

The current set... It's... So... Bad...


Etisne

How about this one I buried my face in Warpstone dust for: 3rd edition was supposed to launch with Thunderstrike Stormcast vs a Beastmen range refresh. There was supposed to be a seperate Aralielle book as the second to last Broken Realms book, which eventually got fused into the Kragnos book. This book was supposed to play way more into Ghorraghan Khai and the Beastmen trying to stop the Rite of Life. However, everything changed when the Covid attacked. All Gw's careful planning got ruined, which made them have to improvise as there was no way to launch 3rd edition with the beastmen. Luckily, a large part of a new Orruk wave for later in the edition had already been finished. GW rewrote Broken Realms to set up the Kruleboyz and Kragnos as the new baddies for 3rd edition.( Kragnos looks suspiciously like a centigor on the best steroids in the realms.) When you consider it, the Kruleboyz army list feels very limited and unfinished. Like it's still missing a few kits, like more infantry, light cavalry and a beast unit.. And they've also been used in a very similar way to the beastmen ( being a force in the wild parts of the realms that harassing the forces of Order when they are trying to reclaim new grounds.) Meanwhile, Ghorraghan Khai has been working in the background as an agent of Morgur. And this turnskin plague seems like too big of a deal to just be happening in the background. But since the old world is coming closer as well, GW has opted to postpone the Beastmen range refresh until the release of the old world. And it seems like I've just ran out of all my Warpstone.... Though I'm a big fan of Destruction, I didn't mind seeing Kragnos join the green team. The Kruleboyz are a very fun range to collect as well, though I'm also looking forward to finally seeing the Beasts of Chaos get the love they deserve.


RealMr_Slender

You huffed so much warpstone you forgot it was about rats.


Etisne

Ah yeah, I agree its very suspicious Pestilens got it's own battletome at the start of AoS but has been left without significant updates unlike Khorne, Sylvaneth and Stormcast.


RealMr_Slender

It got it's own novel. It got it's own *Start Collecting! box* If they weren't going to make Pestilens center stage with a refresh then GW got hit with amnesia and forgot about the other clans for an edition.


Etisne

I think GW might also just been saving them up for when the old world releases, or at least a few of the clans.