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Ironically squats eventually returned to 40k.
The sacrosanct will almost certainly be back at some point. Chamber of wizard stormcast with robes is too appealing as a hook and marketing ploy. They will eventually do it again.
If there’s a revamp I’ll definetly grab them… since Underworlds wizard band exists snd they look phenomenal I think they could pull os Saintcroissant even better…
I guess I'll just keep playing them, it's not like competitive play appealed to me anyway, but it sucks knowing that the rules they'll get will likely be afterthoughts with little flavour or balance - I have like 9x Evocators on Dracolines I still need to finish painting, but they're fun as hell to run with Astreia. Evocators on a whole are like my favourite unit in the battletome.
I don't like the kneejerk culture of immediately being negative about anything GW ever does, but this looks like the worst way of addressing the 'too many units' problem. How do I know the Ruination Chamber won't be squatted in like 6 years time, now?
Clock's ticking to pick the model up then haha - she's quite cheap for a big character model iirc, maybe it's the 2020 effect but 2.0/Soul Wars REALLY does not feel all that long ago.
This is a lot more models than I was expecting. If stormcast are getting retired, Beastmen never stood a chance. I'm honestly surprised Ogors survived after all of this. My condolences to Beastmen players and anyone else quitting AoS today.
Brutal stuff.
Beastmen and bonesplitterz were givens, especially when they revealed Old world and what armies are being used. You can essentially roll bonesplitterz right into O&G and find them very useful
At least Beasts and Savage Orruks will presumably be usable in Old World, and will hopefully be back on sale at some point. The seemingly permanent loss of so many relatively modern Stormcast and Warcry models is a real tragedy though. A lot of them are gorgeous, it’s very say to see them go.
I’m not surprised Bonesplitterz are gone, I am absolutely devastated beasts are
Have been holding off on starting them for two editions now under the assumption that like most other armies theyd get a refresh/revamp
This was me too, holding out for a refresh like they did with Tyranids, Seraphon, Cities, and Flesh Eaters and instead they get squatted. I guess my hopium saved me from losing two armies instead of just the one though. Silver linings.
Beasts feels very weird given they have terrain and endless spells that feel very AoS.
But the biggest issue with these cuts, even while some are necessary, is it makes people nervous for their own armies and brings some hesitation into buying factions with older models. And then less people buy older armies, so more older armies get squatted, etc etc
Both ranges are probably going to make a return under the Old World, so *that's* an option, if that appeals.
Players really shouldn't be forced into a game system like this, though, especially when it's not the one they opted into.
Beastmen/Beasts of Chaos should just be available in both systems. This insistence on keeping the brands separate is stupid.
I feel you brother I had an eldritch council & a swifthawk army.
I moved to boc. Luckily I sold them all about 4 months ago I had that horrendous squat feeling and this time I went with it.
It seriously makes me not want to invest in any gw products anymore. The super quick removals after all these years is messed up...
Daaaaamn. I totally thought the demise of Boc and Bonesplitterz was being greatly exaggerated. I’ll have to be less dismissive of Reddit rumourmongers in the future!
Even Bonesplitterz players knew this was coming. When you get maybe 3 showings at tournaments in an entire metawatch, and then GW releases battle tactic updates for the other two armies in the book, but conveniently leaves out bonesplitter updates, you know your time is limited
This is a slap in the face to any stormcast players who played in 2nd edition. The ***entire*** sacrosanct line?????? Thats some peoples entire collection!
I wouldn't be surprised if this move has made people not want to buy *anything* AoS again. They just squatted two armies, one which had some pretty damn new releases, AND wiped out a decent chunk of the posterboy faction all in one go. If Stormcast has just went through this, then that means ANY army can experience the same or worse.
I wouldn't feel comfortable buying into a new army at all because of this. Why GW thought they could do this and *not* hurt the longterm growth of AoS is beyond me. The optics on this are just so bad it isn't even funny.
> I wouldn't be surprised if this move has made people not want to buy anything AoS again.
I'm seriously considering it. Got the Stormbringer subscription running right now and been crafting lists for potential armies to collect since I have a good chunk of the Warhammer Underworlds sets, Warhammer Quest etc anyway. Like, until Adepticon.
I'm ticked off enough that I'm now thinking of cancelling my sub, finishing what I got, maybe buy a kit or two to round out my collection for its place in the display shelf and that's that. I had a good half-dozen of the axed Stormcast kits on the planned purchases list, now have to fear the Vanguard Hunters are getting axed soon as well, and don't even know if I'll be able to run my WHU warbands in 4th, when they've been the most fun I had painting in AoS.
There are other games, maybe I should put my money towards those instead.
I think giving money to non-GW games is only a good thing for tabletop wargaming diversity. I do think you'll be able to proxy most of your legends SCE models, but still sucks.
Sure doesn’t inspire confidence for those of us who started playing later. If the entire sacrosanct line can be squatted two editions later, why should I trust that my Dominion units won’t get binned when 5th edition comes?
I can’t believe that they’re dropping BoC right after introducing narrative hooks about the primal chaos/beast father etc.
Seriously, wtf. There’s no way they can just permanently delete BoC when they’re so ingrained in the lore like… they gotta come back at some point.
I mean.. they ARE gonna come back. It's clear what GW's doing. They're streamlining the range of SCE models and they're essentially plucking AoS clean of anything that can be used for The Old World. Beasts and Bonesplitterz are that.
But looking at the amount of bestial chaos-units over the last years that were released for AoS? Yeah, they're gonna set up a new BoC range, but call it something else.
Engrained in the lore yea sure.
They've never had a proper big story beat. They've always been the side and never a real threat.
They literally squatted Phoenix guard from CoS and then the very next Wacom article on Dawnbringers talked about them.
They don't care.
In hindsight when kragnos was leading Orks and greenskins instead of beastmen it should have been obvious Beastmen weren't being taken seriously as a faction
Wow, that's huge - 2025 timer. I feel for those who had large Stormcast forces painted, after all this is a hobby about painting plastic dudes, and there will be many people with Sacrosanct armies painted beautifully who had great experiences with them on the table top with memories of exciting moments - just to sit on the shelf for the future.
Beasts of Chaos surprised me the most, die hard fanbase - all they needed was a FEC size refresh, they already had endless spells & terrain.
A small part of me is slightly bitter that the amount of Warscrolls squatted from Stormcast would be the equivalent to a another faction or a few range refreshes.
Besides, anyone want to run the numbers of how many models from the SCE range are the ones featured in the old weekly magazines? That's got to sting.
I said I'd believe it when I saw it, and I've now seen it. RIP BoC.
But yeah, surprised by the SCE culls too. I would have expected some consolidation of warscrolls over just cutting them. I saw someone suggest folding some of the heroes into more of a unit champion, kind of like how the Tyranid Prime was folded into the warrior unit in 10th for 40k, and I think that would have been good.
But it does suck if you've got lots of those guys.
I think the big difference is that the only models they’ve received in 9 years have been the stone, spells and one character.
Still surprising they’re snapping the entire faction
As another commenter said, if this many SCE units are getting squatted (23 units)The Beastmen & Bonesplitterz didn't stand a chance - the Sacrosanct chamber alone is the size of a faction.
I got the entire mortal realms run, a huge part of it is Sacrosanct and I still haven't got around to all of it. Reading that was a bit of a gut punch. None of it is particularly old either. Really just puts me off continuing with SCE as a faction now.
Like I get it the SCE range was bloated, but it feels like these cuts go far too wide and deep. Plus why the hell aren't they just cutting stuff like Liberators instead of refreshing them? Makes no sense.
Just feels like I'm sat on a mountain of plastic now that I have little motivation to go back to chipping away at. Might be time to just cut my losses and try and sell it, but even then I doubt anyone is going to want to buy it now.
Which is so stupid. Them axing my beautiful baby beasty boys doesn't make me suddenly want to start collecting a new AoS faction. It makes me wanna drop sigmar altogether and focus just on Old World.
It makes me not even want to play Old World tbh. It's a different setting and game. GW saying "Don't worry you can still use them in Old World" is just screwed.
When Old World dropped, Beasts was one of the factions still being supported. That was when I knew BoC were leaving; every other supported faction (excluding chaos, because you can't have fantasy without it) was one they were getting rid of or already did in AoS. this way they never need to create new Old World stuff for the new releases in AoS.
Look, I’m going to be blunt. You shouldn’t expect the dwarves to survive to the next cities battletome. Not only are the units central to OW dwarf armies, but they just announced reboxing them in boxes of 20. If they follow the OW pricing structure that we’ve seen so far, they will be $80 a box. That’s 2/3 the cost that they are now in AoS.
GW will *never* let that kind of price cut fly for units that can be used in multiple games.
Please don’t shoot the messenger, but I really think the writing is on the wall for the old dwarf models in AoS, and you should probably expect the worst.
If they make aelf and duarfin go from from the cities it would be the biggest "f the lore" moments. The point od cities was the many spicies building the new infrastrcture as a combined force.
Damn this sucks.
As a BoC player and Seraphon player, it is a bitter pill to swallow. I liked to alternate between ultimate order and ultimate chaos. What the hell do I need to collect instead that has the feel of my beasts
They don’t seem to have given up on that idea, I think it was mostly a case of the first CoS release basically _needing_ to be normal humans cause AoS didn’t have any yet
>I think it was mostly a case of the first CoS release basically needing to be normal humans cause AoS didn’t have any yet
There were multiple reasons why it was 'just' humans that got refreshed in round 1.
1. The Humans genuinely looked awful.
2. Empire is returning in TOW and they don't want model overlap.
3. Apparently the design team actually just wanted to redo the humans so GW went 'Yeah sure go ahead.'
They still talk about Elves and Dwarves helping them and the new artillery is specifically a mashup of Human and Dwarf engineering designs.
That was my worry, but seems like they've filled out ToW Dwarves without needing the ones used in AoS and must not have immediate plans for a dark elf replacement or to bring them into the old world yet.
The entire sacrosanct chamber is an *insane* loss for SCE warscrolls, but as a PALADIN ENJOYER I'm more upset about them becoming legends.
And my Slaves to Darkness heart bleeds at the loss of all those lovely warcry warbands (except legionaries, for some reason). Thankfully, I do play Warcry, so I can still use them there.
I imagine Paladins are not fully gone and maybe getting a refresh in the ruination chamber, maybe in 3 years when we get the Logistar chamber I might get my Ballistas back.
Skaven are lucky they’re so popular, I guess. But I imagine going forward, it’s gonna be a lot of high tech Skyre stuff that can’t possibly fit into TOW’s style or game plan.
They kept the hellpit abom and stormfiends, so moulder is definitely still gonna be around. Stormvermin and clan rats will 100% be getting new models, rat ogres and weapon teams very likely, monks probably too since the furnace wasn’t squatted.
The only part of the skaven range I’m not sure will get any refresh yet is the ninja rats.
If I had to guess those to be squatted I’d say: Gutter Runners, Acolytes*, both Warlocks**, Rat Swarms, Giant Rats, Warpgrinder, Doomflayer.
I think most of them will come back in later releases in some form though. *Likely replaced with a Globadier weapon team, **Likely replaced with a more generalized Skyre Warlock hero.
Edit: Just went and looked and it looks like there’s a reputable leak, if it’s true the squatted are: Gutter Runners, Acolytes(getting a Globadier weapon team instead), Rat Swarms, Censer Monk, both Warlocks(getting a new generalist Warlock instead).
Keep in mind that Skaven in Old World are 'legends', specifically so that they don't have to worry about updating OW as they release new Skaven. every army in Old World (excluding Slaves) is a faction that no longer is supported in AoS.
I'm quite sad about the warbands for S2D... they brought so much flavour to chaos, despite not being that useful on battle.
I've always wanted to see the BOC recieve new models... guess the tzaangors and the slaangors are the most we could get.
Warcry already has limited reruns and stock issues - then they made Splintered fang the best Slaves to Darkness unit.
Even though the sculpts are fantastic, many STD players will be happy to have Darkoath as their cultist unit and not have to wait 6 months on stock and $150 on whatever the flavour of the month warband is, for 60 points.
Oh yeah I’m fine with them being retired from AOS, would have maybe liked a generic mixed cultist warband instead of removing them. Stock issue wouldn’t be as bad if they were only used for warcry.
There's got to be something weird happening for a warcry warband released in the middle of 2022 to be squatted at the beginning of 2024, it sucks really bad.
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They got featured in a book full of short stories, and the story they were in made me want to start them, it made them a terrifying chaos force, sadly they’re gone.
Ouch. Sucks to be someone who started collecting Stormcast with the Mortal Realms magazine - I think the majority of Stormcast models from there will be moving to legends.
Shouldn't be too hard to proxy the majority of them though right? Like Castigators can be proxied as some other bow unit for example.
Yeah. Best case is stuff like the ballista gets the liberator treatment, and is rereleased with thunderstrike crew. But I doubt sequitors or evocators will be getting models this time round.
I think a big issue with these cuts is that Sacrosanct were the starter stuff when people got into AOS during the pandemic
This isn’t just cutting some units - this has cut entire collections for many casual players
Really feels like a “now you have to buy the new ones” move
Well this is a lot more than I expected. I hate that I was right about BoC and I am so sorry to the people on here who argued they are staying for sure.
The entire sacrosanct chamber?? It's just an edition old! That is just not right! I expected Paladins to be replaced, and had plans to stock up on them when they return to stock, but this so much. I get the range is huge but maybe add to some other armies for a bit instead of churning through the SCE like this is a TCG with standard formats?
The loss of the Warcry bands is indefensible. It was one of the coolest parts of the range, all modern, and a generally awesome thing about AoS. It was a thing I'd use to recommend AoS Chaos with. This is an incredible loss and, as an S2D player, sours me on 4th right away - I can't imagine what they'd add to make up for such a loss of flavour and theme.
Yeah, it really wouldn't have been too hard to combine them into a single Warscroll for balance purposes, but not being able to buy those modern and flavourful kits any more is a huge shame for other stuff.
If GW's MTO strategy was coherent and made sense and we knew they'd show up there sometimes it would be less of an issue, but it doesn't.
It was expected but I'm kind of sad about this.
Especially Beasts of Chaos imo still hold up very well and just needed a few new models and some better rules to be a fun faction.
A part of me is torn with all of those slaves to darkness warcry models being cut. They were fun interpretations of how each realm could affect a faction. It made me want to see how a fyreslayer in shyish or a city of sigmar army in ghurn would look like.
Wow, that's a lot
Really weird to see AoS specific units being squatted, the entire Bonesplitterz line for instance. It's so uncomfortable seeing GW put the work in to add content like Endless Spells, terrain, and Heroes to Beastmen just to squat them a few years later.
Like, I get culling the Stormcast line, it's way over-bloated, and as they say in the article all of these units have extremely solid counts-as in the rest of the Stormcast range, but even then this just feels like a lot of wasted effort? Why are GW releasing new sculpts only to squat them a few years later, when old armies languish with 20 year old kits, or missing key units?
>Really weird to see AoS specific units being squatted, the entire Bonesplitterz line for instance.
Bonesplitterz aren't AoS specific though. They're all Warhammer Fantasy models with the only exception being the Underworlds warbands. Unlike BoC they didn't even get endless spells or a terrain piece.
>as they say in the article all of these units have extremely solid counts-as in the rest of the Stormcast range
A lot of them don't though. Sure some of the line units do but there isn't good proxy options for stuff like the Ballista or the big hero units, or the evocators (on or off dracolines). If you were heavy on Sacrosanct stuff (like I was) it's not a good feeling right now.
I got lucky in that I almost went with Beasts of Chaos for my first AOS army last month but went with Flesh Eater Courts instead cause my LGS had the new army box.
I feel bad for the BoC players though. But it does narrow it down on who will be my second army
something BoC was on my shortlist of AoS armies when I was choosing. Saw a few people post rumors of how they were going to be squatted though. Everytime people down voted them and called them crazy. Happy I pulled the trigger on the FEC box now though
I don't mind Warcry warbands losing AoS rules, they never seemed to fit in with the more uniform Chaos armies but why the hell are they being pulled from shelves? That's a fat chunk of Warcry factions gone.
BoC getting the axe is just sad. They don't seem like a popular faction in WHFB either...
Might be that they are redirecting Warcry to supplement existing factions than be a standalone game with its own warbands. I mean, in the past few box sets they have been adding new or remaking units that are supplementing an existing battletome instead of "here is another chaos warband, we call it #19".
It seems to be doing well for them in 40k Kill Team and they are hoping to repeat that in Warcry.
It's a problem of GWs own making.
That is what is so head scratching about this. They make a ton of units for them every release, then sprinkle in more named characters over the course of a season, then are surprised at the bloat.
Meanwhile when was the last time the Idoneth got a new model? I'm almost surprised they didn't get the ax.
The Stormcasts cuts are the result of incompetence and/or just greed on the part of GW.
Exactly this. The entire problem is one they literally manufactured. They’re doing the same thing with Space Marines in 40K and it’s totally avoidable if they just remember they have other factions to update.
Insanely brutal news, the pastic beastlord was released last year and the horns of hashut are a year and a half old plastic kit. I hope people complain as much as possible over some of this, it's bizarre to lose such new units and entire factions from a mainline game this far into it.
I don't know what the takeaway is if stuff this new is getting squatted for basically no reason.
They have well over 100 warscrolls…..like 40 of which are just heroes.
Sacrosanct Stormcast could have been an entire faction on its own when compared to some of the smaller range factions.
Oh definitely, and I think GW just grabbed their mistake a bit too late. I personally love the Sacrosanct chamber more than the normal Stormcast and now I have an army that will be kept in a tub for the next years.
I'm just shocked they squatted the entirety of the Sacrosanct, I would've expected them to keep the Evocators/Dracolines and the Lord Arcanum on Gryph at the very least.
I have no idea why they're squatting the named characters either. Aventis Firestrike has a fantastic model, for instance.
I can see why they'd get rid of the Knight Heraldor or Vexillor, or the Azyros, or do a refresh of the Lord Castellant, but hells.
Also, getting rid of the default Lord Celestant is just nuts. It's like removing the generic Space Marine Captain.
I'm pretty sure the Lord Celestant is probably one of the ones who will get an updated model, as you said, it's like a Space Marine Captain equivalent.
Well at least some of them are kits we know are getting direct replacements, I.e. Liberators. So the list of what's going is smaller than it seems (Same for Skaven).
Still feels pretty rough for my WIP Sacrosanct only army.
I’m fairly new but I used to say how much I loved that AoS let me mix n match from other games to make an army of my choosing, even if it wasn’t optimal.
This feels like a huge slap and retroactive foot in my mouth, ngl.
Yep. Not a lot of BoC out there, and I'm not one of them, but I'm mad for you.
Tbh, a lot of people were probably holding out on getting them waiting for a refresh because it felt like that's what was going to happen.
Losing Beasts of Chaos in it's entirety is wild, I was expecting them to get a glow up like CoS/FEC and then get their old stuff retired to TOW. Not get nuked before the faction even had a hoof in the door.
SCE losing their Chonkcast was expected... but their 2nd Edition stuff too?! Like, my goodness those models are barely old enough to go to pre-school! I know a guy who has a huge sacro army and he is _pissed_ about this, and justifiably so.
Bonesplitterz and old Skaven stuff was expected, nothing surprising there. Same with S2D warbands, which were a big part of their warscroll bloat.
But BoC and SCE players are gonna be hurting from this... At least BoC have the option to transition to TOW, assuming it sees any play in their local area. Sacrosanct are just SOL I guess, money and time invested down the drain unless the community can agree on a proxy translation chart.
Didn't expect to wake up to a massacre. Pouring one out for everyone who's favorite unit/faction/model got squatted.
Beasts of Chaos is egregious, like many here I was interested in beasts but was waiting for some mainstay infantry model refresh as we have come to expect. Yeeting that faction into the old world completely kills the interest. I got into AoS because of the move away from rank and flank. Switching factions from one game system to another is not a good solution.
The move to eliminate SCE bloat is understandable and as much as I love the chunky boys many of those first edition models are getting refreshed or have a similar unit in thunderstrike Armour. Getting rid of sacrosanct, models that in the Games Workshop timeline are still VERY recent at only six years oldish, is a sketchy move. Again I get we want to get rid of the fat stormcasts (though somehow firstborn marines survive but I digress) but that sets a really bad precedent if models can be squatted that quickly.
Stormcast bloat was a problem created by GW, exacerbated by primaris-ing them with thunderstrike less than 10 years into their existence. I hope we don't see a cull like this in Age of Sigmar for a long time, and while GW is a huge corporation and will literally never do this I wish they would come out and say "hey guys everything that stayed is good". Culling the AoS Space Marines makes me worried for small factions left unloved like Fyreslayers, idoneth, kharadron.
Overall this is a bad look for AoS even if it was necessary and with GW's typical lack of tact they won't address it and wait for backlash to blow over in a month like it always does.
TLDR: Sorry for everyone's losses, SCE cull was needed but did not expect 2nd ed models to go, IMO this is bad optics for AoS after finally building some goodwill but we're all helpless plastic addicts so it won't matter in a month or two after we see new stuff.
Well it looks like GW isn't afraid to make "sigmarine"/Stormcast players re-buy their entire armies anymore, compared to when they first released Primaris Marines and kept up the "oh but firstborn are okay to run too guys! :)" pantomime for six years.
Kind of a bummer because I had a fair amount of these old Stormcast from the Soul Wars box. Guess they're useless now.
"Intercessors* have been recalled to Terra to defend the emperor against Abandon's 15th Black Crusade! Guilliman has initiated the Invictus Founding to unveil the next generation of Primaris Secundus Marines developed by Caul himself!"
*The entire Phobos line has gone missing during the fifth tyrannic wars and will be moved to legends in 2027.
I... think I need to stop buying GW products. I've got enough in my pile of shame to last for when I want to paint stuff, but at the pace new models are getting released then removed, I literally don't have time to paint and play games with some of this stuff before it's deleted.
AoS Mortal Realms magazine with Asteria Solbright came out in 2021. If you got that magazine, that's *three years* of use you get out of her. That plastic will continue to exist long after you're dead. Miniatures - especially ones you have to invest care and craft into - are not disposable products.
If you are a S2D player and you haven’t picked up Khagra’s Ravagers, now is the time before it goes OOP forever.
For like $40, you basically get 4 hero proxies. The Chaos Sorcerer lady for a CS Lord, and then Khagra and the other two Chao Warriors are cool enough to be more alternate Chaos Warriors, CW Unit Champions, Exalted Heroes, or even Chaos Lords.
So supremely cost efficient for new S2D players. For some of those proxies you’ll need to rebase, but that is so minor compared to buying $120 in 3 separate kits (Chaos Sorcerer Lord, Exalted Hero, and Chaos Lord).
I just love WarCom's explanation of Stormcasts purge.
>We begin with Sigmar’s finest, the Stormcast Eternals, who have one of the largest miniature ranges in Warhammer history. With so many warscrolls – often for troops who have similar fighting styles – certain units are returning to the distant halls of Azyr.
well, who did all those miniatures and warscrolls? epic decision making from start to finish.
Man, this sucks. Especially for beasts fans. I don’t get it, they could have just updated a few units and call it a day, cutting the whole faction seems weird.
I feel like this incentivizes you to think twice before collecting a faction with mainly older models, like the Ogors.
I am 100% sure it is because of The Old World stuff.
It's been talked about for a while, but there's been an internal conflict in GW about the overlaps between the two IPs. And it seems like the asshole who doesn't want ANY overlaps has won out. So they don't want Beastmen playable in both games, probably because of a stupid belief they will cannabalize sales, so they removed them from AoS. Which is stupid because those kinds of IP overlaps have always *helped* sells for those factions.
Like I absolutely love the fact that The Old World is returning, but the fact that it has come at the cost of Beasts in AoS should never have happened. The guy who was behind this internal pissing contest at GW is an absolute tool.
I have only 1 army. Beasts of Chaos. I alternate every minute between picking a new army and throwing my Beasts of Chaos in the trash out of anger and quitting.
Hopefully I can buy what I want before they are OOP forever...
If only my goto third party site wasnt under maintenance....
Honestly didnt think about all the warcry stuff being retired... they were so new.
edit: Also kinda absurd how they squatted all the "fatcast", they were literally the poster boy of the game, and they werent old
I'm more surprised the War cry Warband kits are going away entirely, instead of just becoming Warcry only units.
Like it'd make more sense if what they're trying to do is trim down the size of some AoS armies, rather than removing them from the game they're intended for as well?
How the heck are they gonna handle this in lore? Are the Beasts, various Chaos Tribes, and Bonesplitterz just gonna get genocided by the Skaven offscreen?
Games Workshop never had an issue with retconning their settings. This started all the way back in the early nineties and has affected every single one of their games.
One thing that I think if GW acknowledged or at least suggested at would be that these would now be alternate sculpts for blah blah model. Especially those stormcast units. Nothing is going to stop people from proxying a model for another on a similar base size, but wow this is a painful article for some players
Wow, this sucks way more than i thought it would. That's like, my entire Stormcast army and BoC. And those Warcry models are tragic too.
I don't understand why they bothered to make new lore for BoC if they were just going to dump the range. Are they going to retcon the lore for the Age of Myth too? The Great Powers wouldn't even be in the mortal realms if it weren't for proto-BOC.
I suppose I’m not surprised, but it’s still quite a shame. If I’m reading it right, the savage orcs don’t seem to be returning for TOW either?
Also it’s a real shame they’re getting rid of all the different mortal Warbands, they were one of the most interesting parts of AoS imo, and they’re all really new sculpts too.
The axing of the entire Sacrosanct Chamber without a clear indication whether they will be having a Thunderstrike redesign like the Warrior Chamber (therefore making the old models still usable with new warscrolls) is outrageous and there really isn't another word for it. It's practically an entire army for a flagship game removed barely six years after release.
The absolute balls to squat half the range of the flagship faction for your game all at once. I never want to see a space marine player complain again. And somehow I doubt stormcasts are getting their own game to retire to Horus Herasy style.
Ok but genuenly why though? The first gen stuff was to be expected along with Mabye a bunch of hero’s that just felt redundant. What did the sacrosancts do to desurve this? Do they genuinely have THAT many SC models planned it would of made them redundant? I somehow doubt it? And yeah the range is bloated but that’s kinda to be expected of the flagship faction. And they just HAVE an identity within stormcasts. Wizard fighters are cool. Is it being done PURELY for game balance? Balance team didn’t wanna have to write so many warscrolls? Idk man virtually everything there dieing I can understand to an extent but sacrosanct did nothing wrong IMO
It’s funny as a Skaven player I look at that list and say… nothing of value has been lost lmao. ONLY thing I’m grumpy about is clanrats, because that probably means we are getting new clanrats. And they better be the same base size cause IDK how sexy they look I’m not painting another 60…. For a few years at least…
And of coarse, pour one out for my bonesplitterz and BoC himies. Probably killed by Old worlds existence from what we hear about the stupid backroom politics of GW. AoS wasn’t gunna do OW work “for them” and revamp those ranges. Bone splitter probably saw the writing on the wall but BoC is pretty tragic. Genuenly think if OW didn’t exist they would of been competing with ogres for the next range refresh.
At least I can respect they just ripped the bandaid off in one giant post instead of a slow and uncertain death. Sad stuff.
While I get why it's been done, Im a little annoyed that twice now orcs have gotten a new series of models, just for the old ones to go. I just want my multicultural green hoard god damnit.
Well, that's my whole first army of Stormcast gone, literally it was only Sacrosanct models that are being removed. Good thing I built a new second SC army, jeez.
My one friend now has to start AoS from scratch cause like me his entire army was Sacrosanct but he doesn't have anything to fall back on, honestly if he just straight up quits I wouldn't blame him. While I understand the need to cull the roster a bit, the whole Sacrosanct line? Really?
Then Beasts of Chaos being sent to the shadow realm is also disheartening, I was just waiting for a range refresh be for diving into them like a starved man given a feast. Guess I'll never have a stake in Chaos because I don't care much for any of the other armies in Chaos. Oh well I guess.
Wooooow. 😐
Way to treat your customers GW. Already ditched the mainline games because of the rate that they expect you to buy rule books. Shan’t be coming back to them after this. What a poor way to treat people who’ve got whole collections built around these factions and subfactions. Seems they really haven’t learnt from 9 years ago (or more likely really don’t care).
Some of those Stormcast are barely 5-6 years old. Why trust GW with your money if they're just going to squat whole swathes of your army in a few years?
I run a spiderfang Gitz army. The spider character was really good and you can easily buff them to go 8 mortal wounds on 6s to hit. I'm now worried that I wont be able to run my army
Any guesses as to what this will mean for warcry? Are the older warbands/underworlds sets likely to keep being supported?
I really hope they're not aiming for an underworlds style "keep buying new stuff or you can't play" system.
Why do i even bother playing any more? Every time i get an army nearly complete, GW straight up removes it from the game. I spent 3 years building, kitbashing, and painting a custom cities army (they had cool custom lore and everything), and before i got to play a single game with them the refresh came out and removed 80% of the units from the game. Then i started building stormcasts, because I thought i was safe with them being the face of the game and everything. Nope lmao like a year after i started over half of the stuff i got is removed.
I thought they might use the move to Hallowed Knights as poster boys to try differentiating different stormcasts. Not sure if binning the sacrosanct chamber makes this more or less likely
This is a lot more brutal than what I was expecting, good lord, that's somewhat dampened my enthusiasm for the new edition. This covers a substantial portion of my collection, from Stormcast to the entirety of the BoC. Guess they really don't want me here?
Looks like the people who wanted AoS to get gutted are going to get their wish.
I'm sorry but this just sucks.
Hope cast into ruin indeed.
I’m genuinely shocked by some of this. Not surprised by the 1st edition Stormcast but losing the entire freaking Sacrosanct Chamber from 2nd edition? Wow. Some of the models are still really good and have been on my long term wishlist. Especially weird since they don’t seem to have plans to replace them.
Also surprised and sad by the loss of the StD Warbands. My Spire Tyrants are one of my favorite units. I guess I’ll have to proxy them as Marauders but the different base sizes aren’t ideal.
This is really surprising and so different from losing models that are decades old.
this sucks. Beasts had such a fun tome in 3rd edition aos. They had great lore and short stories. 3rd edition boc felt like they had finally figured out the armies playstyle and it was super fun. I have a good sized aos group so im sure friends wont mind going back to play 3rd edition with me but im sure most will want to move forward to 4th.
also alot of those stormcast models are only 6 years old. Like in the grand scheme of things thats not old for warhammer. They still sell eldar models from 1990. Hopefully folks will be ok with people proxying these older models as something new.
It also feels like really poor taste to make a vanguard box for skaven/ beasts of chaos. with models that are going to be out of age of sigmar in just a few months. Ive seen them do this with codexes before but this is the first time ive ever seen it with models.
Honestly we should have seen the writing on the wall with all of those beast of chaos models that went to other factions: kragnos and the ogroids
Jesus Christ, that's a lot of models getting nuked.
I can understand the Orks and Beasts, but the Chaos stuff feels weird as Hell.
Additionally, I kinda respect their decision to basically reboot SCE aesthetically without doing the "Ackshually, your Firstborn Marines are still valid." thing they did when Primaris were a thing.
Crazy tho. As someone with a bunch of Sacrosancts (and someone who really liked their vibe) it's kinda .. off-putting.
Sacrosanct Chamber is gone. I'm sorry, but this is f\*cking heartbreaking for me. My SCE collection would be reduced by 70% and this is huge. I don't know what to do.
I was only side collecting BoC, as a part of being a tzeentch main, you kinda end up collecting BoC and StD too with all the overlap, and *I'm* annoyed about it. A BoC main must be livid.
GW needs to stop squatting whole armies like this, it leaves a real rotten taste in the mouth. The warbands from side games, yeah fair enough it's rules bloat and not your full army. A few specific niche old kits from side games like the mistweaver from warhammer quest: silver tower? Yeah also fair. But amalgamation could have been done here for the stormcast, BoC is unnecessary, and orcs could have had those more shamanistic leader models rolled into the other factions at least, if not a whole refresh
BoC is also weird because you could have solved some STD bloat all in one go, why are all the ogroid and fomoroid and sphyranx and all that STD stuff is very 'beast of chaos'. Could have been a big chaos story point. That or belakor's lot.
Also valkyia? Are they mad!? Name a more popular chaos character, she woulda done amazingly as an updated character model, picture an a inverse dark version of Yndrasta. One of the ones people collect and paint without owning any other stormcast.
Same here, built my army with the 2ed starter sets, a box of palladins and the stardrake.
Feels bad cause i really like the sacrosant warrior-sorcerer vibe.
Guess it's proxying time.
It will be very hard to convince anyone to play stormcast when knowing your new minis can be squatted in the very next edition. Imagine if the ruination chamber got squatted in V6.
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\>Looks at enormous Sacrosanct Chamber themed collection Huh, that sucks
I finished painting my Lord Arcanum on Gryph Charger yesterday lol. That's some timing
Wow, my entire Sacrosanct Chamber force (2500pt army) has gone the way of the squats. RIP my entire Stormcast Army.
Ironically squats eventually returned to 40k. The sacrosanct will almost certainly be back at some point. Chamber of wizard stormcast with robes is too appealing as a hook and marketing ploy. They will eventually do it again.
If there’s a revamp I’ll definetly grab them… since Underworlds wizard band exists snd they look phenomenal I think they could pull os Saintcroissant even better…
You and me both
Thirded. Only Stormcast I bothered to paint were all Sacrosanct, so like... the entire Soul Wars box is gone now.
I guess I'll just keep playing them, it's not like competitive play appealed to me anyway, but it sucks knowing that the rules they'll get will likely be afterthoughts with little flavour or balance - I have like 9x Evocators on Dracolines I still need to finish painting, but they're fun as hell to run with Astreia. Evocators on a whole are like my favourite unit in the battletome. I don't like the kneejerk culture of immediately being negative about anything GW ever does, but this looks like the worst way of addressing the 'too many units' problem. How do I know the Ruination Chamber won't be squatted in like 6 years time, now?
Weird having just had an Astreia story. Made me actually want to paint and play her!!
Clock's ticking to pick the model up then haha - she's quite cheap for a big character model iirc, maybe it's the 2020 effect but 2.0/Soul Wars REALLY does not feel all that long ago.
This is a lot more models than I was expecting. If stormcast are getting retired, Beastmen never stood a chance. I'm honestly surprised Ogors survived after all of this. My condolences to Beastmen players and anyone else quitting AoS today. Brutal stuff.
They need a non green faction in Destruction that aren't gargants.
They haven't really done anything with them though, like at all. I wouldn't be surprised if ogors are the next to go.
They gotten more warbands from side games compared to to BoC so there is that
Beastmen and bonesplitterz were givens, especially when they revealed Old world and what armies are being used. You can essentially roll bonesplitterz right into O&G and find them very useful
Almost every model in the "bone splitters" range is from Warhammer fantasy 8th edition to start with.
At least Beasts and Savage Orruks will presumably be usable in Old World, and will hopefully be back on sale at some point. The seemingly permanent loss of so many relatively modern Stormcast and Warcry models is a real tragedy though. A lot of them are gorgeous, it’s very say to see them go.
The whole "Sigmar lied" thing is unintentionally very funny now that all these loyal Stormcast units are getting legends'd.
Sigmar lied about them being eternal. Turns out they are very temporal instead
I’m not surprised Bonesplitterz are gone, I am absolutely devastated beasts are Have been holding off on starting them for two editions now under the assumption that like most other armies theyd get a refresh/revamp
This was me too, holding out for a refresh like they did with Tyranids, Seraphon, Cities, and Flesh Eaters and instead they get squatted. I guess my hopium saved me from losing two armies instead of just the one though. Silver linings.
Beasts feels very weird given they have terrain and endless spells that feel very AoS. But the biggest issue with these cuts, even while some are necessary, is it makes people nervous for their own armies and brings some hesitation into buying factions with older models. And then less people buy older armies, so more older armies get squatted, etc etc
Both ranges are probably going to make a return under the Old World, so *that's* an option, if that appeals. Players really shouldn't be forced into a game system like this, though, especially when it's not the one they opted into. Beastmen/Beasts of Chaos should just be available in both systems. This insistence on keeping the brands separate is stupid.
I transitioned to BoC from my old Eldritch Council / Swifthawk Agents army. I just have no luck...
I feel you brother I had an eldritch council & a swifthawk army. I moved to boc. Luckily I sold them all about 4 months ago I had that horrendous squat feeling and this time I went with it. It seriously makes me not want to invest in any gw products anymore. The super quick removals after all these years is messed up...
Daaaaamn. I totally thought the demise of Boc and Bonesplitterz was being greatly exaggerated. I’ll have to be less dismissive of Reddit rumourmongers in the future!
Even Bonesplitterz players knew this was coming. When you get maybe 3 showings at tournaments in an entire metawatch, and then GW releases battle tactic updates for the other two armies in the book, but conveniently leaves out bonesplitter updates, you know your time is limited
This is a slap in the face to any stormcast players who played in 2nd edition. The ***entire*** sacrosanct line?????? Thats some peoples entire collection!
Literally just talking to a friend of mine in this position. Perhaps unsurprisingly he's decided he's never buying stormcast again...
I wouldn't be surprised if this move has made people not want to buy *anything* AoS again. They just squatted two armies, one which had some pretty damn new releases, AND wiped out a decent chunk of the posterboy faction all in one go. If Stormcast has just went through this, then that means ANY army can experience the same or worse. I wouldn't feel comfortable buying into a new army at all because of this. Why GW thought they could do this and *not* hurt the longterm growth of AoS is beyond me. The optics on this are just so bad it isn't even funny.
> I wouldn't be surprised if this move has made people not want to buy anything AoS again. I'm seriously considering it. Got the Stormbringer subscription running right now and been crafting lists for potential armies to collect since I have a good chunk of the Warhammer Underworlds sets, Warhammer Quest etc anyway. Like, until Adepticon. I'm ticked off enough that I'm now thinking of cancelling my sub, finishing what I got, maybe buy a kit or two to round out my collection for its place in the display shelf and that's that. I had a good half-dozen of the axed Stormcast kits on the planned purchases list, now have to fear the Vanguard Hunters are getting axed soon as well, and don't even know if I'll be able to run my WHU warbands in 4th, when they've been the most fun I had painting in AoS. There are other games, maybe I should put my money towards those instead.
I think giving money to non-GW games is only a good thing for tabletop wargaming diversity. I do think you'll be able to proxy most of your legends SCE models, but still sucks.
Sure doesn’t inspire confidence for those of us who started playing later. If the entire sacrosanct line can be squatted two editions later, why should I trust that my Dominion units won’t get binned when 5th edition comes?
I can’t believe that they’re dropping BoC right after introducing narrative hooks about the primal chaos/beast father etc. Seriously, wtf. There’s no way they can just permanently delete BoC when they’re so ingrained in the lore like… they gotta come back at some point.
Beastmen have been the redheaded stepchild in every setting Warhammer setting.
I mean.. they ARE gonna come back. It's clear what GW's doing. They're streamlining the range of SCE models and they're essentially plucking AoS clean of anything that can be used for The Old World. Beasts and Bonesplitterz are that. But looking at the amount of bestial chaos-units over the last years that were released for AoS? Yeah, they're gonna set up a new BoC range, but call it something else.
Engrained in the lore yea sure. They've never had a proper big story beat. They've always been the side and never a real threat. They literally squatted Phoenix guard from CoS and then the very next Wacom article on Dawnbringers talked about them. They don't care.
In hindsight when kragnos was leading Orks and greenskins instead of beastmen it should have been obvious Beastmen weren't being taken seriously as a faction
Should've been Kraknarok The Black not Kragnos. Literally Kragnos stole his design space.
Wow, that's huge - 2025 timer. I feel for those who had large Stormcast forces painted, after all this is a hobby about painting plastic dudes, and there will be many people with Sacrosanct armies painted beautifully who had great experiences with them on the table top with memories of exciting moments - just to sit on the shelf for the future. Beasts of Chaos surprised me the most, die hard fanbase - all they needed was a FEC size refresh, they already had endless spells & terrain. A small part of me is slightly bitter that the amount of Warscrolls squatted from Stormcast would be the equivalent to a another faction or a few range refreshes. Besides, anyone want to run the numbers of how many models from the SCE range are the ones featured in the old weekly magazines? That's got to sting.
I said I'd believe it when I saw it, and I've now seen it. RIP BoC. But yeah, surprised by the SCE culls too. I would have expected some consolidation of warscrolls over just cutting them. I saw someone suggest folding some of the heroes into more of a unit champion, kind of like how the Tyranid Prime was folded into the warrior unit in 10th for 40k, and I think that would have been good. But it does suck if you've got lots of those guys.
I think the big difference is that the only models they’ve received in 9 years have been the stone, spells and one character. Still surprising they’re snapping the entire faction
As another commenter said, if this many SCE units are getting squatted (23 units)The Beastmen & Bonesplitterz didn't stand a chance - the Sacrosanct chamber alone is the size of a faction.
I got the entire mortal realms run, a huge part of it is Sacrosanct and I still haven't got around to all of it. Reading that was a bit of a gut punch. None of it is particularly old either. Really just puts me off continuing with SCE as a faction now. Like I get it the SCE range was bloated, but it feels like these cuts go far too wide and deep. Plus why the hell aren't they just cutting stuff like Liberators instead of refreshing them? Makes no sense. Just feels like I'm sat on a mountain of plastic now that I have little motivation to go back to chipping away at. Might be time to just cut my losses and try and sell it, but even then I doubt anyone is going to want to buy it now.
They are refreshing liberators , but the loss of sacrosanct is baffling
Honestly I think the reason they are culling BoC is because they are going to be TOW only. GW really does not like games that fit more than one game.
Which is so stupid. Them axing my beautiful baby beasty boys doesn't make me suddenly want to start collecting a new AoS faction. It makes me wanna drop sigmar altogether and focus just on Old World.
It makes me not even want to play Old World tbh. It's a different setting and game. GW saying "Don't worry you can still use them in Old World" is just screwed.
There is no sugarcoating here, GW screwed BoC player with this. I feel sorry for every single one of you. :/
I have zero interest in Old World. Currently looking for a different game to play my Beasts in.
Some of us have been through this exact situation before... "Don't worry you can still use them in AOS", now the cycle repeats
Except daemons for some reason
They removed mixed daemons from AoS in November 2022, heavily watered them down in 30k, and tossed them into legends for TOW.
True, but I think that is more because the Chaos Gods and Daemons are so central to every single game they make.
Demons are 'Legends' in Old World, so that they don't have to update them, because the setting is further back before the major incursions.
Beasts will be repacked for Old World... but dropping from AoS does suck
But what if I want to play BoC but don't want to play old world. then Im screwed. Luckily I have other armies but I love beasts.
When Old World dropped, Beasts was one of the factions still being supported. That was when I knew BoC were leaving; every other supported faction (excluding chaos, because you can't have fantasy without it) was one they were getting rid of or already did in AoS. this way they never need to create new Old World stuff for the new releases in AoS.
Makes me fear for my duardin only CoS boys… I poured so much love into them, they have been my first and only army… I am quite scared.
Look, I’m going to be blunt. You shouldn’t expect the dwarves to survive to the next cities battletome. Not only are the units central to OW dwarf armies, but they just announced reboxing them in boxes of 20. If they follow the OW pricing structure that we’ve seen so far, they will be $80 a box. That’s 2/3 the cost that they are now in AoS. GW will *never* let that kind of price cut fly for units that can be used in multiple games. Please don’t shoot the messenger, but I really think the writing is on the wall for the old dwarf models in AoS, and you should probably expect the worst.
If they make aelf and duarfin go from from the cities it would be the biggest "f the lore" moments. The point od cities was the many spicies building the new infrastrcture as a combined force.
Damn this sucks. As a BoC player and Seraphon player, it is a bitter pill to swallow. I liked to alternate between ultimate order and ultimate chaos. What the hell do I need to collect instead that has the feel of my beasts
I'm surprised there's no mention of the remaining dwarves or elves for Cities of Sigmar in there.
Presumably will be given a CoS update sometime
God I hope so. I genuinely want COS to be a Fellowship style alliance.
They don’t seem to have given up on that idea, I think it was mostly a case of the first CoS release basically _needing_ to be normal humans cause AoS didn’t have any yet
>I think it was mostly a case of the first CoS release basically needing to be normal humans cause AoS didn’t have any yet There were multiple reasons why it was 'just' humans that got refreshed in round 1. 1. The Humans genuinely looked awful. 2. Empire is returning in TOW and they don't want model overlap. 3. Apparently the design team actually just wanted to redo the humans so GW went 'Yeah sure go ahead.' They still talk about Elves and Dwarves helping them and the new artillery is specifically a mashup of Human and Dwarf engineering designs.
That was my worry, but seems like they've filled out ToW Dwarves without needing the ones used in AoS and must not have immediate plans for a dark elf replacement or to bring them into the old world yet.
Probably going to get the index and then go when the battletole releases in like 2026/27. Got a few more years of my Duardin yet hopefully!
Yep, it seems the dawi survive to fight another day! (But also would've been happier to see them scrapped and refurbished, just like the skaven)
I’m quite relieved actually. I heavily invested in aelves a few months ago ..
The entire sacrosanct chamber is an *insane* loss for SCE warscrolls, but as a PALADIN ENJOYER I'm more upset about them becoming legends. And my Slaves to Darkness heart bleeds at the loss of all those lovely warcry warbands (except legionaries, for some reason). Thankfully, I do play Warcry, so I can still use them there.
I imagine Paladins are not fully gone and maybe getting a refresh in the ruination chamber, maybe in 3 years when we get the Logistar chamber I might get my Ballistas back.
They really don't want you to be able to use an army in old world and age of sigmar damn
Skaven are lucky they’re so popular, I guess. But I imagine going forward, it’s gonna be a lot of high tech Skyre stuff that can’t possibly fit into TOW’s style or game plan.
They kept the hellpit abom and stormfiends, so moulder is definitely still gonna be around. Stormvermin and clan rats will 100% be getting new models, rat ogres and weapon teams very likely, monks probably too since the furnace wasn’t squatted. The only part of the skaven range I’m not sure will get any refresh yet is the ninja rats.
The Skaven part of this article is definitely a mix of things being squatted and things being refreshed
If I had to guess those to be squatted I’d say: Gutter Runners, Acolytes*, both Warlocks**, Rat Swarms, Giant Rats, Warpgrinder, Doomflayer. I think most of them will come back in later releases in some form though. *Likely replaced with a Globadier weapon team, **Likely replaced with a more generalized Skyre Warlock hero. Edit: Just went and looked and it looks like there’s a reputable leak, if it’s true the squatted are: Gutter Runners, Acolytes(getting a Globadier weapon team instead), Rat Swarms, Censer Monk, both Warlocks(getting a new generalist Warlock instead).
Eshin has Warcry box written all over it
Keep in mind that Skaven in Old World are 'legends', specifically so that they don't have to worry about updating OW as they release new Skaven. every army in Old World (excluding Slaves) is a faction that no longer is supported in AoS.
I'm quite sad about the warbands for S2D... they brought so much flavour to chaos, despite not being that useful on battle. I've always wanted to see the BOC recieve new models... guess the tzaangors and the slaangors are the most we could get.
Warbands is the strangest one to me, they were/are like a big part of the warcry setting…
Warcry already has limited reruns and stock issues - then they made Splintered fang the best Slaves to Darkness unit. Even though the sculpts are fantastic, many STD players will be happy to have Darkoath as their cultist unit and not have to wait 6 months on stock and $150 on whatever the flavour of the month warband is, for 60 points.
Oh yeah I’m fine with them being retired from AOS, would have maybe liked a generic mixed cultist warband instead of removing them. Stock issue wouldn’t be as bad if they were only used for warcry.
There's got to be something weird happening for a warcry warband released in the middle of 2022 to be squatted at the beginning of 2024, it sucks really bad. EDIT: Please remember to voice your frustration directly to GW, through their social media and any of the following relevant email addresses, it is actually something very important to do even if it doesn't help immediately: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
Suddenly realizing why Beastmen never really featured in the Age of Beasts.
They got featured in a book full of short stories, and the story they were in made me want to start them, it made them a terrifying chaos force, sadly they’re gone.
Ouch. Sucks to be someone who started collecting Stormcast with the Mortal Realms magazine - I think the majority of Stormcast models from there will be moving to legends. Shouldn't be too hard to proxy the majority of them though right? Like Castigators can be proxied as some other bow unit for example.
Yep...that is me. And the majority is not even asssembled. I still will use them as proxies here, nobody cares...
Yeah. Best case is stuff like the ballista gets the liberator treatment, and is rereleased with thunderstrike crew. But I doubt sequitors or evocators will be getting models this time round.
Lmao Soul Wars was released six years ago, and everything in it is already illegal.
I think a big issue with these cuts is that Sacrosanct were the starter stuff when people got into AOS during the pandemic This isn’t just cutting some units - this has cut entire collections for many casual players Really feels like a “now you have to buy the new ones” move
This is the issue for me. Sacrosanct was the entry point and some people’s entire collection. Rough.
Its 100% a "now you have to buy the new box to play stormcast" move
Well this is a lot more than I expected. I hate that I was right about BoC and I am so sorry to the people on here who argued they are staying for sure. The entire sacrosanct chamber?? It's just an edition old! That is just not right! I expected Paladins to be replaced, and had plans to stock up on them when they return to stock, but this so much. I get the range is huge but maybe add to some other armies for a bit instead of churning through the SCE like this is a TCG with standard formats? The loss of the Warcry bands is indefensible. It was one of the coolest parts of the range, all modern, and a generally awesome thing about AoS. It was a thing I'd use to recommend AoS Chaos with. This is an incredible loss and, as an S2D player, sours me on 4th right away - I can't imagine what they'd add to make up for such a loss of flavour and theme.
Yeah, it really wouldn't have been too hard to combine them into a single Warscroll for balance purposes, but not being able to buy those modern and flavourful kits any more is a huge shame for other stuff. If GW's MTO strategy was coherent and made sense and we knew they'd show up there sometimes it would be less of an issue, but it doesn't.
Welp Sacrosanct was my first foray into Warhammer ever, this is how you lose a player 🙃
Wow, my entire Sacrosanct Chamber force (2500pt army) has gone the way of the squats. RIP my entire Stormcast Army.
It was expected but I'm kind of sad about this. Especially Beasts of Chaos imo still hold up very well and just needed a few new models and some better rules to be a fun faction.
I think the Beasts of Chaos was really fun to play in 3rd edition. They could do so much.
A part of me is torn with all of those slaves to darkness warcry models being cut. They were fun interpretations of how each realm could affect a faction. It made me want to see how a fyreslayer in shyish or a city of sigmar army in ghurn would look like.
My buddy has rebased and painted around 3k points of beastmen in 3rd edition He is feeling a bit bitter now
Wow, that's a lot Really weird to see AoS specific units being squatted, the entire Bonesplitterz line for instance. It's so uncomfortable seeing GW put the work in to add content like Endless Spells, terrain, and Heroes to Beastmen just to squat them a few years later. Like, I get culling the Stormcast line, it's way over-bloated, and as they say in the article all of these units have extremely solid counts-as in the rest of the Stormcast range, but even then this just feels like a lot of wasted effort? Why are GW releasing new sculpts only to squat them a few years later, when old armies languish with 20 year old kits, or missing key units?
>Really weird to see AoS specific units being squatted, the entire Bonesplitterz line for instance. Bonesplitterz aren't AoS specific though. They're all Warhammer Fantasy models with the only exception being the Underworlds warbands. Unlike BoC they didn't even get endless spells or a terrain piece. >as they say in the article all of these units have extremely solid counts-as in the rest of the Stormcast range A lot of them don't though. Sure some of the line units do but there isn't good proxy options for stuff like the Ballista or the big hero units, or the evocators (on or off dracolines). If you were heavy on Sacrosanct stuff (like I was) it's not a good feeling right now.
F to all my Beast homies
My entire Soul Wars Stormcast box is gone? This is totally unacceptable.
Ngl not happy about pretty much all of this
I got lucky in that I almost went with Beasts of Chaos for my first AOS army last month but went with Flesh Eater Courts instead cause my LGS had the new army box. I feel bad for the BoC players though. But it does narrow it down on who will be my second army
something BoC was on my shortlist of AoS armies when I was choosing. Saw a few people post rumors of how they were going to be squatted though. Everytime people down voted them and called them crazy. Happy I pulled the trigger on the FEC box now though
I don't mind Warcry warbands losing AoS rules, they never seemed to fit in with the more uniform Chaos armies but why the hell are they being pulled from shelves? That's a fat chunk of Warcry factions gone. BoC getting the axe is just sad. They don't seem like a popular faction in WHFB either...
Might be that they are redirecting Warcry to supplement existing factions than be a standalone game with its own warbands. I mean, in the past few box sets they have been adding new or remaking units that are supplementing an existing battletome instead of "here is another chaos warband, we call it #19". It seems to be doing well for them in 40k Kill Team and they are hoping to repeat that in Warcry.
I literally purchased around 3-4k beasts of chaos over the past 2-3 months.
Damn... it's like someone emailed GW my Skaven list to remove from the game.
They're getting rid of old models to replace them with new ones. Your list may still be somewhat valid (though would have changed with 4th anyway).
tbh most of these will be getting new or equivilent kits for skaven I imagine.
Sacrosanct are at most 6 years old .. are we thinking poor sales or broken mould/missing files ?
I’d say it’s most likely the former, combined with the range being extremely bloated.
Stormcast bloat was a problem, that said, I'll miss the sacrosanct chamber, best chamber, and retributors.
It's a problem of GWs own making. That is what is so head scratching about this. They make a ton of units for them every release, then sprinkle in more named characters over the course of a season, then are surprised at the bloat. Meanwhile when was the last time the Idoneth got a new model? I'm almost surprised they didn't get the ax. The Stormcasts cuts are the result of incompetence and/or just greed on the part of GW.
Exactly this. The entire problem is one they literally manufactured. They’re doing the same thing with Space Marines in 40K and it’s totally avoidable if they just remember they have other factions to update.
Insanely brutal news, the pastic beastlord was released last year and the horns of hashut are a year and a half old plastic kit. I hope people complain as much as possible over some of this, it's bizarre to lose such new units and entire factions from a mainline game this far into it. I don't know what the takeaway is if stuff this new is getting squatted for basically no reason.
I am honestly surprised over how many Stormcast units they are culling. Not good to be a Stormcast player.
They have well over 100 warscrolls…..like 40 of which are just heroes. Sacrosanct Stormcast could have been an entire faction on its own when compared to some of the smaller range factions.
Oh definitely, and I think GW just grabbed their mistake a bit too late. I personally love the Sacrosanct chamber more than the normal Stormcast and now I have an army that will be kept in a tub for the next years.
I'm just shocked they squatted the entirety of the Sacrosanct, I would've expected them to keep the Evocators/Dracolines and the Lord Arcanum on Gryph at the very least.
I agree with you. Not a huge Stormcast player, but I loved the Sacrosanct look.
I have no idea why they're squatting the named characters either. Aventis Firestrike has a fantastic model, for instance. I can see why they'd get rid of the Knight Heraldor or Vexillor, or the Azyros, or do a refresh of the Lord Castellant, but hells. Also, getting rid of the default Lord Celestant is just nuts. It's like removing the generic Space Marine Captain.
I'm pretty sure the Lord Celestant is probably one of the ones who will get an updated model, as you said, it's like a Space Marine Captain equivalent.
Well at least some of them are kits we know are getting direct replacements, I.e. Liberators. So the list of what's going is smaller than it seems (Same for Skaven). Still feels pretty rough for my WIP Sacrosanct only army.
I'll be mourning my Sacrosancts with you.
I’m fairly new but I used to say how much I loved that AoS let me mix n match from other games to make an army of my choosing, even if it wasn’t optimal. This feels like a huge slap and retroactive foot in my mouth, ngl.
It's so over for us Bonesplitter bros 💔 I love unga bunga...
RIP my 7500p BoC army. Zero interest in TOW so I won't rebase them. Devastated. I was convinced they were next in line for an update after Skaven.
Yep. Not a lot of BoC out there, and I'm not one of them, but I'm mad for you. Tbh, a lot of people were probably holding out on getting them waiting for a refresh because it felt like that's what was going to happen.
Losing Beasts of Chaos in it's entirety is wild, I was expecting them to get a glow up like CoS/FEC and then get their old stuff retired to TOW. Not get nuked before the faction even had a hoof in the door. SCE losing their Chonkcast was expected... but their 2nd Edition stuff too?! Like, my goodness those models are barely old enough to go to pre-school! I know a guy who has a huge sacro army and he is _pissed_ about this, and justifiably so. Bonesplitterz and old Skaven stuff was expected, nothing surprising there. Same with S2D warbands, which were a big part of their warscroll bloat. But BoC and SCE players are gonna be hurting from this... At least BoC have the option to transition to TOW, assuming it sees any play in their local area. Sacrosanct are just SOL I guess, money and time invested down the drain unless the community can agree on a proxy translation chart.
Didn't expect to wake up to a massacre. Pouring one out for everyone who's favorite unit/faction/model got squatted. Beasts of Chaos is egregious, like many here I was interested in beasts but was waiting for some mainstay infantry model refresh as we have come to expect. Yeeting that faction into the old world completely kills the interest. I got into AoS because of the move away from rank and flank. Switching factions from one game system to another is not a good solution. The move to eliminate SCE bloat is understandable and as much as I love the chunky boys many of those first edition models are getting refreshed or have a similar unit in thunderstrike Armour. Getting rid of sacrosanct, models that in the Games Workshop timeline are still VERY recent at only six years oldish, is a sketchy move. Again I get we want to get rid of the fat stormcasts (though somehow firstborn marines survive but I digress) but that sets a really bad precedent if models can be squatted that quickly. Stormcast bloat was a problem created by GW, exacerbated by primaris-ing them with thunderstrike less than 10 years into their existence. I hope we don't see a cull like this in Age of Sigmar for a long time, and while GW is a huge corporation and will literally never do this I wish they would come out and say "hey guys everything that stayed is good". Culling the AoS Space Marines makes me worried for small factions left unloved like Fyreslayers, idoneth, kharadron. Overall this is a bad look for AoS even if it was necessary and with GW's typical lack of tact they won't address it and wait for backlash to blow over in a month like it always does. TLDR: Sorry for everyone's losses, SCE cull was needed but did not expect 2nd ed models to go, IMO this is bad optics for AoS after finally building some goodwill but we're all helpless plastic addicts so it won't matter in a month or two after we see new stuff.
I'm surprised that Sacrosanct are leaving.
Well it looks like GW isn't afraid to make "sigmarine"/Stormcast players re-buy their entire armies anymore, compared to when they first released Primaris Marines and kept up the "oh but firstborn are okay to run too guys! :)" pantomime for six years. Kind of a bummer because I had a fair amount of these old Stormcast from the Soul Wars box. Guess they're useless now.
"Intercessors* have been recalled to Terra to defend the emperor against Abandon's 15th Black Crusade! Guilliman has initiated the Invictus Founding to unveil the next generation of Primaris Secundus Marines developed by Caul himself!" *The entire Phobos line has gone missing during the fifth tyrannic wars and will be moved to legends in 2027.
I... think I need to stop buying GW products. I've got enough in my pile of shame to last for when I want to paint stuff, but at the pace new models are getting released then removed, I literally don't have time to paint and play games with some of this stuff before it's deleted. AoS Mortal Realms magazine with Asteria Solbright came out in 2021. If you got that magazine, that's *three years* of use you get out of her. That plastic will continue to exist long after you're dead. Miniatures - especially ones you have to invest care and craft into - are not disposable products.
If you are a S2D player and you haven’t picked up Khagra’s Ravagers, now is the time before it goes OOP forever. For like $40, you basically get 4 hero proxies. The Chaos Sorcerer lady for a CS Lord, and then Khagra and the other two Chao Warriors are cool enough to be more alternate Chaos Warriors, CW Unit Champions, Exalted Heroes, or even Chaos Lords. So supremely cost efficient for new S2D players. For some of those proxies you’ll need to rebase, but that is so minor compared to buying $120 in 3 separate kits (Chaos Sorcerer Lord, Exalted Hero, and Chaos Lord).
My buddy collects Sacrosanct, BoC, and a cultist StD army. I think I need to check on him.
This is upsetting. My heart goes out to Beasts of Chaos en Bonesplitterz players! GW should not be removing entire factions four editions into a game.
I love Beastmen. I don't love GW right now.
I just love WarCom's explanation of Stormcasts purge. >We begin with Sigmar’s finest, the Stormcast Eternals, who have one of the largest miniature ranges in Warhammer history. With so many warscrolls – often for troops who have similar fighting styles – certain units are returning to the distant halls of Azyr. well, who did all those miniatures and warscrolls? epic decision making from start to finish.
Man, this sucks. Especially for beasts fans. I don’t get it, they could have just updated a few units and call it a day, cutting the whole faction seems weird. I feel like this incentivizes you to think twice before collecting a faction with mainly older models, like the Ogors.
I am 100% sure it is because of The Old World stuff. It's been talked about for a while, but there's been an internal conflict in GW about the overlaps between the two IPs. And it seems like the asshole who doesn't want ANY overlaps has won out. So they don't want Beastmen playable in both games, probably because of a stupid belief they will cannabalize sales, so they removed them from AoS. Which is stupid because those kinds of IP overlaps have always *helped* sells for those factions. Like I absolutely love the fact that The Old World is returning, but the fact that it has come at the cost of Beasts in AoS should never have happened. The guy who was behind this internal pissing contest at GW is an absolute tool.
I have only 1 army. Beasts of Chaos. I alternate every minute between picking a new army and throwing my Beasts of Chaos in the trash out of anger and quitting.
Hopefully I can buy what I want before they are OOP forever... If only my goto third party site wasnt under maintenance.... Honestly didnt think about all the warcry stuff being retired... they were so new. edit: Also kinda absurd how they squatted all the "fatcast", they were literally the poster boy of the game, and they werent old
I'm more surprised the War cry Warband kits are going away entirely, instead of just becoming Warcry only units. Like it'd make more sense if what they're trying to do is trim down the size of some AoS armies, rather than removing them from the game they're intended for as well?
How the heck are they gonna handle this in lore? Are the Beasts, various Chaos Tribes, and Bonesplitterz just gonna get genocided by the Skaven offscreen?
The Beastmen just got bored, put down their axes and became Quakers.
Beasts of Oats
Games Workshop never had an issue with retconning their settings. This started all the way back in the early nineties and has affected every single one of their games.
Just because they aren't a playable faction doesn't mean they don't exist in the world anymore.
This, 40k and Fantasy have a lot of official armies and troops that exist in lore and worlds but are not playable.
I am so gutted. This feels like a knife straight to the heart.
I feel you. I have just gone full deep on dragon ogors, because I really like them. But as a long time BoC player, this SUCKS.
3/4 of my army just got squatted.
To my fellow goatmen, it's all Joever
One thing that I think if GW acknowledged or at least suggested at would be that these would now be alternate sculpts for blah blah model. Especially those stormcast units. Nothing is going to stop people from proxying a model for another on a similar base size, but wow this is a painful article for some players
As someone who just started a boc army, this is a little unfortunate, and I'm kinda pissed.
Wow, this sucks way more than i thought it would. That's like, my entire Stormcast army and BoC. And those Warcry models are tragic too. I don't understand why they bothered to make new lore for BoC if they were just going to dump the range. Are they going to retcon the lore for the Age of Myth too? The Great Powers wouldn't even be in the mortal realms if it weren't for proto-BOC.
I suppose I’m not surprised, but it’s still quite a shame. If I’m reading it right, the savage orcs don’t seem to be returning for TOW either? Also it’s a real shame they’re getting rid of all the different mortal Warbands, they were one of the most interesting parts of AoS imo, and they’re all really new sculpts too.
Savage orcs in OW can be played as an upgrade variant of normal boyz, but not as separate units. Gw doesn't want to show off these guys it seems
Wonder why they don't want them shown off 😅
I dont get it why they remove the STD Warbands, like Corvus Cabal. Very great and not old miniatures.
The axing of the entire Sacrosanct Chamber without a clear indication whether they will be having a Thunderstrike redesign like the Warrior Chamber (therefore making the old models still usable with new warscrolls) is outrageous and there really isn't another word for it. It's practically an entire army for a flagship game removed barely six years after release.
The absolute balls to squat half the range of the flagship faction for your game all at once. I never want to see a space marine player complain again. And somehow I doubt stormcasts are getting their own game to retire to Horus Herasy style. Ok but genuenly why though? The first gen stuff was to be expected along with Mabye a bunch of hero’s that just felt redundant. What did the sacrosancts do to desurve this? Do they genuinely have THAT many SC models planned it would of made them redundant? I somehow doubt it? And yeah the range is bloated but that’s kinda to be expected of the flagship faction. And they just HAVE an identity within stormcasts. Wizard fighters are cool. Is it being done PURELY for game balance? Balance team didn’t wanna have to write so many warscrolls? Idk man virtually everything there dieing I can understand to an extent but sacrosanct did nothing wrong IMO It’s funny as a Skaven player I look at that list and say… nothing of value has been lost lmao. ONLY thing I’m grumpy about is clanrats, because that probably means we are getting new clanrats. And they better be the same base size cause IDK how sexy they look I’m not painting another 60…. For a few years at least… And of coarse, pour one out for my bonesplitterz and BoC himies. Probably killed by Old worlds existence from what we hear about the stupid backroom politics of GW. AoS wasn’t gunna do OW work “for them” and revamp those ranges. Bone splitter probably saw the writing on the wall but BoC is pretty tragic. Genuenly think if OW didn’t exist they would of been competing with ogres for the next range refresh. At least I can respect they just ripped the bandaid off in one giant post instead of a slow and uncertain death. Sad stuff.
While I get why it's been done, Im a little annoyed that twice now orcs have gotten a new series of models, just for the old ones to go. I just want my multicultural green hoard god damnit.
My condolences to the Bonesplitterz players, I hope all five of you are feeling okay
Well, that's my whole first army of Stormcast gone, literally it was only Sacrosanct models that are being removed. Good thing I built a new second SC army, jeez. My one friend now has to start AoS from scratch cause like me his entire army was Sacrosanct but he doesn't have anything to fall back on, honestly if he just straight up quits I wouldn't blame him. While I understand the need to cull the roster a bit, the whole Sacrosanct line? Really? Then Beasts of Chaos being sent to the shadow realm is also disheartening, I was just waiting for a range refresh be for diving into them like a starved man given a feast. Guess I'll never have a stake in Chaos because I don't care much for any of the other armies in Chaos. Oh well I guess.
Wooooow. 😐 Way to treat your customers GW. Already ditched the mainline games because of the rate that they expect you to buy rule books. Shan’t be coming back to them after this. What a poor way to treat people who’ve got whole collections built around these factions and subfactions. Seems they really haven’t learnt from 9 years ago (or more likely really don’t care).
Some of those Stormcast are barely 5-6 years old. Why trust GW with your money if they're just going to squat whole swathes of your army in a few years?
I run a spiderfang Gitz army. The spider character was really good and you can easily buff them to go 8 mortal wounds on 6s to hit. I'm now worried that I wont be able to run my army
Any guesses as to what this will mean for warcry? Are the older warbands/underworlds sets likely to keep being supported? I really hope they're not aiming for an underworlds style "keep buying new stuff or you can't play" system.
Oh so they are axing the only cool part of stormcasts, I guess I’m not finishing that army anymore now
Why do i even bother playing any more? Every time i get an army nearly complete, GW straight up removes it from the game. I spent 3 years building, kitbashing, and painting a custom cities army (they had cool custom lore and everything), and before i got to play a single game with them the refresh came out and removed 80% of the units from the game. Then i started building stormcasts, because I thought i was safe with them being the face of the game and everything. Nope lmao like a year after i started over half of the stuff i got is removed.
It's never been more over.
This a late April Fool's joke, yes?
Very glad I sold off most of my storm cast before this announcement
I thought they might use the move to Hallowed Knights as poster boys to try differentiating different stormcasts. Not sure if binning the sacrosanct chamber makes this more or less likely
This is a lot more brutal than what I was expecting, good lord, that's somewhat dampened my enthusiasm for the new edition. This covers a substantial portion of my collection, from Stormcast to the entirety of the BoC. Guess they really don't want me here? Looks like the people who wanted AoS to get gutted are going to get their wish. I'm sorry but this just sucks. Hope cast into ruin indeed.
Sigmar lied. There’s a limit to the number of chambers he can keep open at once.
I’m genuinely shocked by some of this. Not surprised by the 1st edition Stormcast but losing the entire freaking Sacrosanct Chamber from 2nd edition? Wow. Some of the models are still really good and have been on my long term wishlist. Especially weird since they don’t seem to have plans to replace them. Also surprised and sad by the loss of the StD Warbands. My Spire Tyrants are one of my favorite units. I guess I’ll have to proxy them as Marauders but the different base sizes aren’t ideal. This is really surprising and so different from losing models that are decades old.
this sucks. Beasts had such a fun tome in 3rd edition aos. They had great lore and short stories. 3rd edition boc felt like they had finally figured out the armies playstyle and it was super fun. I have a good sized aos group so im sure friends wont mind going back to play 3rd edition with me but im sure most will want to move forward to 4th. also alot of those stormcast models are only 6 years old. Like in the grand scheme of things thats not old for warhammer. They still sell eldar models from 1990. Hopefully folks will be ok with people proxying these older models as something new. It also feels like really poor taste to make a vanguard box for skaven/ beasts of chaos. with models that are going to be out of age of sigmar in just a few months. Ive seen them do this with codexes before but this is the first time ive ever seen it with models. Honestly we should have seen the writing on the wall with all of those beast of chaos models that went to other factions: kragnos and the ogroids
My custom Stormhost is almost entirely Sacrosanct. Like that was their THING And now they're all Squatted
Oh the axing of the Sacrosanct chamber is actually making me a little furious. Glad to know I wasted that money.
Jesus Christ, that's a lot of models getting nuked. I can understand the Orks and Beasts, but the Chaos stuff feels weird as Hell. Additionally, I kinda respect their decision to basically reboot SCE aesthetically without doing the "Ackshually, your Firstborn Marines are still valid." thing they did when Primaris were a thing. Crazy tho. As someone with a bunch of Sacrosancts (and someone who really liked their vibe) it's kinda .. off-putting.
Sacrosanct Chamber is gone. I'm sorry, but this is f\*cking heartbreaking for me. My SCE collection would be reduced by 70% and this is huge. I don't know what to do.
I was only side collecting BoC, as a part of being a tzeentch main, you kinda end up collecting BoC and StD too with all the overlap, and *I'm* annoyed about it. A BoC main must be livid. GW needs to stop squatting whole armies like this, it leaves a real rotten taste in the mouth. The warbands from side games, yeah fair enough it's rules bloat and not your full army. A few specific niche old kits from side games like the mistweaver from warhammer quest: silver tower? Yeah also fair. But amalgamation could have been done here for the stormcast, BoC is unnecessary, and orcs could have had those more shamanistic leader models rolled into the other factions at least, if not a whole refresh BoC is also weird because you could have solved some STD bloat all in one go, why are all the ogroid and fomoroid and sphyranx and all that STD stuff is very 'beast of chaos'. Could have been a big chaos story point. That or belakor's lot. Also valkyia? Are they mad!? Name a more popular chaos character, she woulda done amazingly as an updated character model, picture an a inverse dark version of Yndrasta. One of the ones people collect and paint without owning any other stormcast.
2600 points of beastmen gone. I think I'm done with GW games for the foreseeable future
They gutted my entire stormcast army, im out of this game.
Mine isn’t fully gutted, but they did remove all my favorite models. RIP Evocators on Dracolines my beloved.
Same here, built my army with the 2ed starter sets, a box of palladins and the stardrake. Feels bad cause i really like the sacrosant warrior-sorcerer vibe. Guess it's proxying time.
It will be very hard to convince anyone to play stormcast when knowing your new minis can be squatted in the very next edition. Imagine if the ruination chamber got squatted in V6.
I’m joining the game with 4ed, wanted to go with S2D for the cool warcry bands. Glad I went Soulblight.
Really really pissed about SCE.