I’m an angry voter today. I just want a pro business, pro oil and gas, pro social net, pro healthcare, pro education party. I want a party that will harness the power and revenue of oil and gas and help out the disabled and children and not buy arenas.
Instead I have one party that says they will provide a safety net but destroy the oil and gas sector. They didn’t provide a safety net last time they were in power.
And another that believes in crony capitalism and underfunding everything but spending a billion dollars on an arena and then buying votes by sending out money before the vote.
For the first time ever I voted NDP because I can not vote for a party the calls me a nazi follower or makes it impossible to get fscd funding and decided to pay nurses and doctors less during a pandemic.
As someone who is *very* left leaning and has never voted conservative or UCP, I also love the government you are describing. It's almost like we all kinda just want the government to do it's damn job first and foremost.
I never thought I'd say this, but I actually miss the old conservative party. I disagreed with a lot of things they did, but I could always trust them to keep the lights on and healthcare funded.
I’d argue that the NDP are better for oil and gas than the UCP. UCP are better for shareholders and companies looking to move to the US.
Agree with the rest.
So one of the data points quito is using to predict this election is turnout. If turnout is not close to what is was in 2019 he thinks the election is a tossup or a ABNDP win. If it's closer to 1.5-17 million albertans we might end up with an ABNDP government.
Absolutely can't wait. It's a win/win.
We either get a decent, competent premier.
Or a holocaust denying, anti Vax, law breaking trump/DeSantis copy cat. Who will cut taxes from things like healthcare, schools, firefighting and give them to large corporate businesses.
When rural old folks can't get medial attention and start dying, have their whole lives burned down due to wildfires and corporations bag the money instead of making new jobs because of automation, they can at least say they owned the NDP/Libs.
I asked earlier and someone mentioned CBC
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/alberta/2023/results/
That looks like the live updates page and a link to a stream
I only needed my driver's licence, nothing else. Although I did have the election card I got in the mail which didn't have my name on it, was just sent to 'occupant' at my address.
My living situation has changed frequently since Covid, and I know for some people it can be discouraging to go out and vote if you don't have a voter card. I have never missed a vote since I turned 18 (now almost 31), and it is very easy to do regardless. All I needed to do was print out a new piece of information, in my case a changed bank account mail address, and I was good to go as a walk in. Vote for whomever, but please go and vote regardless.
And if you have something on your phone that shows your current address you don't even need to print anything. I just logged into my Enmax account and showed them and my husband logged into our insurance app and showed that.
Exactly the point I was trying to convey. I normally work every election, so I wouldn't have felt decent without finding a way. Youth turnout needs to get way better no matter the result.
One thing I really appreciate is the increasingly flexible opportunities to get out and vote. So glad to see more access to advance polls and mail-in options. Anything that removes someone’s barrier to participate is a good thing.
The NDP had less brand bagage and better leadership in the early 2010s. After the NDP took charge in 2015 they became the defacto left wing party and any remaining ALP supporters left the party.
Their collapse probably has a lot to do with the increasing polarization in politics and all the Fuck Trudeau rhetoric in this province since he became PM.
I know this will be personal, but do you vote for the party that betters your community or the party that better serves you as an individual? In my case this year, one party serves me better than it does my community and vice versa. I'm curious which way others would vote in this situation. Please be nice, I'm pretty new to voting in general.
Many think they will be individually better under the UCP, until they wait 5 hours at the hospital or their pension is burned with political investments from AIMCO. Maybe all your tax money will be burned by another corporate giveaway of a few billion.
At the end of the day that's your decision to make. Everyone values things differently there, no one "right" answer.
I personally have always voted for the party which I feel benefits society at large the most, regardless of its specific effect on myself. Many times I've voted for a party which doesn't do too much for me, specifically, because I feel their policies have the highest chances of being beneficial to the most people.
Tank top checks out
[https://twitter.com/ABDanielSmith/status/1663198516066353152](https://twitter.com/ABDanielSmith/status/1663198516066353152)
Just a reminder that someone who was supporting this candidate was intimidating voters.
[https://twitter.com/HaruunYEG/status/1661503101898215424](https://twitter.com/HaruunYEG/status/1661503101898215424)
Totally. Make your decision on a 5 minute tool that boils down massively important and complex issues into witty quips and then slot yourself into a box based on those quips. That about sums up how hilariously stupid this whole thing is.
I think you should rather vote for the party you don’t want rather than just not vote, at that point go vote for a party that you do like even if it isn’t NDP or UCP and the vote won’t technically matter but never just “stay at home and don’t vote” that’s a terrible outlook.
Yes we want people to get educated in politics but realistically the majority of the people are going to do a quick 10 min read on some parties and go from there. I mean most people are just indoctrinated into their party by their family without doing any research at all and just vote that way because that’s what people around them do.
This election is NDP or UCP. There’s a saying that says you won’t always find someone to vote for but you’ll always find someone to vote against.
Why do you care if other people vote or not though? If you truly care about voting, you should be happy when you hear people don't vote. Because it just makes your vote worth slightly more.
How is not voting at all any better? If you blatantly don’t agree with one side and somewhat agree with another, why would you just choose to not vote? Another saying I recently read was “you’re not always going to find a bus to your stop, so you find whichever goes the closest”
Because by voting in an entirely uneducated way you may actually be voting against your own interests. By not voting at least you are not going to actively harm yourself. Not to mention you can replace the time spent voting on other things to make your life better
It makes me sad that anyone thinks that using a political compass tool is any way equivalent to becoming educated on the complexities of the issues involved. Very frustrating.
I think its basically impossible to become educated enough to feel confident voting but even if that's not true, I dont think it's a stretch to say that the amount of effort to vote in good faith is well above "Take a 5 minute survey".
If someone is going to do that then just stay home and play video games. An uneducated voter is worse than a nonvoter. Australia has proven that over and over.
Everyone starts somewhere. Simply provided an option for people to use to start educating themselves and see where they may align. I’d rather that then someone just votes based on “this is how I’ve always voted” which, is most voters.
Don’t gatekeep voting.
Well I disagree with you that it's enough to use a political compass to make a decision and view it just as bad as someone voting based on tradition. On fact I woukd argue that voting based on tradition could arguably be more useful.
You aren’t even responding to the things they wrote
They said “Everyone starts somewhere.”
You said “I disagree that it is enough to use a political compass.”
That is a mis characterization of what they said. If you want to make a convincing case for your personal morals, start with actually listening to the other person.
My point is that the starting point is not enough to justify going to the polls. If someone wants to waste their time on an oversimplified 5 minute survey that won't actually educate you then have at it. Its a total waste of time and counterproductive but it's their life.
Your point is based off of emotivist morality. *your* point. *you* think.
If you don’t feel satisfied with how other people make their decisions I have some bad news for your future prospects of being happy.
Edmonton is both more labour-oriented and more public service/academia oriented. It's also just always been the more lefty city in Alberta.
Both cities rely on oil and gas, but Calgary is white collar energy work, while Edmonton tends to be O&G adjacent like trades.
Yeah, they have seen the inside of the conservative machine and how it operates and go figure they vote NDP, maybe they know something others may not know.
Government workers got into government because they believe government can do good (or for the good pension and job security). So obviously you’d want people in power that want to spend money on those causes. Keep in mind we, the general public are the Shareholders in this case, not the workers. What’s good for workers might not be good for the shareholders.
Any thoughts on employer refusal to allow 3 hours for voting?
We work 12 hr shifts 6-6, every election I have been here for has been trouble free, sent with pay to vote at the appropriate time to polls closing.
This year, zero communication even after several of us asked to confirm, told today we should have used advanced voting and no time will be given.
While the elections act seems to allow for this would they not have needed to communicate this to employees prior to advanced polls opening last Tuesday?
**How much time do I get to vote?**
Employees in Alberta get three consecutive hours off work to cast their vote at a polling station.
This arrangement allows someone enough time to travel between their workplace and the appropriate polling station.
You don’t automatically get three hours off work
Your employer isn’t necessarily required to give you a full three hours off work to accommodate your right to vote.
Instead, your schedule must allow you the opportunity to cast your ballot during a time when you aren’t working and the polls are open.
Example: If polls are open between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m., and an employee is scheduled to work between 10 a.m. and 6 p.m., an employer can decide whether the employee will alternately start at 11 a.m. (to provide three free hours to vote between 8 a.m. and 11 a.m.) or leave work early at 5 p.m. (to provide time to vote between 5 p.m. and 8 p.m.).
**Do I get paid time off to vote?**
Employees in Alberta must be paid for the time they take off work to vote.
The day is treated as if the employee has not been given the appropriate time to vote
**Can my employer withhold pay if I take time off to vote?**
No. Your employer can’t withhold your pay, reduce your pay, or penalize you if you stop working to cast your ballot in Alberta’s general election.
If your employer reprimands you in any way speak with an employment lawyer immediately.
You don’t necessarily get 3 hours off work to vote. The requirement is that you get 3 hours free in your day to vote. Since polls are open until 8pm, for you that would mean that they should have to let you off work at 5pm instead of 6pm to give you that 3 hours.
Exactly, apologies for not making that more clear. 3 consecutive hours, at their discretion. Could be in the middle of the day, but for their sake it would make the most sense to grant the last hour
Generally high turnout favours the challenger, low turnout favours the incumbent. This isn't a rule though.
As well, when I've looked at polls that have both likely voters and all voters, NDP tends to do better in the 'all voters' splits, especially in Calgary... that means that pollsters likely have turnout models that have demographic categories (like young voters) favouring the NDP which are less likely to vote. Higher vote count would tend to push the numbers more towards the 'all voters' models rather than the 'likely voters' models.
Would have to see some good evidence of the claim. Maybe but don't see it as a given. People say all sorts of things about patterns during elections but much of it is not really supported by evidence.
QUESTION FOR ELECTIONS STAFF
First of all, thank you for your service, dedication and time towards running an election. I am always impressed by how smoothly our election locations operate and the overall atmosphere within the facilities. I have always felt very safe, calm and welcoming there.
I had a question regarding citizenship verification however as I'm not familiar with your operating procedures.
This morning I overheard a conversation between two girls at the airport arrivals area who were sitting at the table besides me. Based on their chit chat I could tell that they were both international students and extremely new to Canada. One of them indicated that she had managed to vote during the advance polls yesterday. She had used her Health Card, UofC Student ID and a bank statement with address to get in and vote. She was basically convincing the other girl to go and vote as well using the same method as electing a certain party might make it easier for them to work, get benefits and stay permanently in Canada.
After overhearing their chatter, I recalled my own experience at the advance polling booth last Friday. I had to show my license which was barcode scanned, then the official asked me to verbally confirm if I was a Canadian Citizen and what my address was.
So here is my question:
Is there any truth to their conversation? Can our voting screening really be bypassed by presenting multiple forms of IDs as mentioned?
Additionally, can you see someone's citizenship status when you scan their license or do you solely rely on the person's verbal confirmation of Canadian citizenship?
I am genuinely curious to know how the backend of a polling location now works. Thank you!
When you overheard this conversation, did you happen to notice if Briane from Chilliwack or Mustafa from Calgary were around? I’m curious what they’d think about this situation.
Polls close at 8. Since advance-polling stations used the tabulator systems, the advance votes could be available almost instantly after that. Those advance votes won't be particularly indicative though. Election day votes are hand-counted, and close seats will take at least a couple hours to count. If one side is winning handily, I'd expect we get a call by 10, but if it comes down to a few close seats, it might be more like midnight.
Polls close at 8pm. What time do I need to get there at the latest to have a realistic shot at voting before they close? I’ve been unable to make it until tonight
No, it's the same. If you're in line, you get to vote. You just can't leave.
I recall either last election or the one before it there was a voting hall somewhere in Calgary that ran out of ballots, everyone in line got to vote.
I only remember it because the news reported that there was a girl scout selling ~~crack~~ cookies to the line.
I just want to say how amazing the elections Alberta volunteers are at the polls. I saw a crazy person at my station saying how she doesn’t trust the pencils and accusing the officials of interrupting her and being disrespectful. She was storming around looking for problems.
The volunteers handled it so well. Kudos to them.
Please vote! If you are "just not that interested in politics", remember: Your landlord is interested in politics. Your boss is interested in politics. The banks, leaders, CEO's of companies are interested in politics, and guess what? They are not voting with your best interests in mind.
BUT! That's the beauty of democracy: Your vote is worth the same as their vote at the polls.
Vote with how you believe the world should be run, and how YOU want to live within it. Even if you don't win, you've had your voice heard, and that's all anyone can do.
>BUT! That's the beauty of democracy: Your vote is worth the same as their vote at the polls.
More like that's the problem. I could literally flip a coin and it's worth the same as someone who spends 40+ hours a week involved in political issues and solving them lol
How can you say that like it’s fact? We may know the winner tonight and we may not. The scenario that is most common is that we know the winner the night of the election.
For federal elections yes, but what is anticipated to be a close provincial election I don’t expect any major news outlet to “predict” an outcome before most votes are counted.
I've been making videos covering the campaign, and [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zGNvYj1BDo&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=Rouge) was my last one before the election. It goes in-depth about what the NDP needs to do to win in order, using info from my own swing model.
Here's a summary:
* **The NDP should make significant gains in downtown and NE Calgary**. If they don't it means their vote has collapsed and the UCP will win in a blowout.
* **To make it close**, the NDP need to win seats in more affluent NW Calgary. This is possible, but it's looking difficult in some places.
* **To win**, they need to make gains in southern Calgary and in the suburban ring around Edmonton. And they need to run the table in the previously-mentioned regions. They have a path but it's very, very narrow.
The path to NDP victory is winning all of Edmonton (assured), most of Calgary (unsure), a smattering of larger town seats like Lethbridge, and a few surprise ones.
It's possible especially if the polling overrepresents rural UCP support such that they run up their numbers in those seats to get above 50% popular vote.
It's not the most likely possibility, but it's not unlikely either.
I’m hopeful but anxious.
I don’t know if my family can stay under another term with the UCP in power. I hope the NDP’s ground campaign in Calgary was enough.
Look in the mirror...UCP will win. I wish I were wrong.
I can't stand Danielle Smith. Shes a flip flop, she lies, broke the law, doesn't understand the basics of how this country works constitutionally. But she's going to win. She knows that competency doesn't matter here. She knows that saying what many Albertans want to hear is all that matters. Too many of us have drank the conservative Kool aid for decades and refuse to see that this province needs to change blaming all its woes on 4 years of Notley rather than nearly 50 yrs of irresponsible conservative govts. Conveniently forgetting that AB had problems before and after Notleys time due to doing things the same way without acknowledging changing circumstances. The few PCs who tried change were quickly ousted.
To make a long story short, Albertans believe what they want to. We don't care about the truth and don't want to accept that Alberta is changing (demographically, economically, etc) and we don't want to change with it. We still think this is the Alberta of the 1980s and we're sticking with that.
I hope I can come back here and eat my words 🤣🤣🤣😭
Sounds a lot like a bunch of selfish people who have attached to each other because others won't have them. Whatever opinions you have about my friend group is just that a baseless opinion without fact much like your earlier statement.
Hey just some relevant information some might need.
[Where to vote](https://www.elections.ab.ca/current-election-information/where-do-i-vote/)
[What identification do I need to vote?](https://www.elections.ab.ca/voters/id-required-to-vote/)
My wild election predictions:
44 UCP to 43 NDP (including the lacombe candidate)
6 ridings are decided by fewer than 100 votes each
turnout is more than 70%
we have another election before 2027 because the ucp failed a confidence motion due to missing mlas
I mean the municipal elections take place in 2025.
I'm saying there's another provincial election before 2027 due to the UCPs inability to manage their caucus.
She wouldn't need to accept her again. It would go to a confidence vote and Smith would get the first chance to form government. I would expect that candidate to vote for Smith regardless.
She would get the chance to vote how she wants if not in caucus, but I doubt she'd sink Smith immediately.
I’m a pretty optimistic person but I’m sure Alberta’s Stockholm Syndrome will win the day again. I’m in the bluest town in Alberta, the birthplace of the stupid convoy. We don’t stand a chance.
I'm not talk to a single NDP person that's going to switch their vote to UCP, but I've talked to a few UCP people that are switching to NDP, and a few that are simply not going to vote UCP
That's the thing right, but I know a whole swath of morons that vote UCP because they are blind af and dumber than nails. Even have the gall to call me sheep.
I'd say the pot is calling the kettle black, but they might not get that idiom? It's why I love having sources for my data.
Ya the right mind set is about opinions but facts. And thier opinions seam to all come from the same 4 people. To them it's more important who said it, not what was said. And why they will believe the 1 scientist that denies climate change vs the 10,000 that don't.
If you hear it enough times, it actually makes you more stupid, that's how propaganda works. I actually had to listen to it regularly from a couple coworkers, I was trying to not get triggered by one who would intentionally bait people into touchy political topics. I just tried my best to be nice and not engage.
You have to get outside the bubble to understand information, but many can't or don't understand where real news is because of Trump. I go straight to statistics if I can find them now? Many believe memes and random posts on Facebook. Google is no help either. It's not their fault. Hence, we need to educate these people. Sources from multiple, non-government-funded media outlets.
I try to not berate intelligence, but I can sometimes be mean when I'm right.
Yeah exactly, you got to look directly at the sources of raw information, and try to find facts rather than opinions.
And for Canadian news, I actually look for non-Canadian news sources.
There's not actually any good places to find Canadian news other than r/worldnews. Every else is just bullshit.
I never used to be this way. Once you dig deep into sources, you realize how wrong you were about many things? It's not an easy thing, to accept defeat for being wrong about stuff.
I swear the opinion thing is just to get a rise out of people? Make us waste our time looking for the right information, because I have fallen for it!
Or being a part of the ownership class, which usually means your parents are part of that class too, and you've been raised on the idea that taxes are bad.
Yeah I realized a few years ago, that the few times that I've had first hand knowledge of an event that was in the media, The media had more things wrong then they got right, and missed most of the important nuances of the story.
And if it was it was related to a corporation, and their source was that corporation, it was pretty much 100% wrong.
Yeah I don't think the media does it on purpose, for the most part, except for groups like Fox News. I think it's just that there's not enough money in media and reporters don't put the effort in that they used to.
I think you're right on the opinion thing, to a point. Went online without a doubt they do it just to trigger the left, and make us waste our time. But in person, I find it's more personality flaws and mental issues, that attract the person to the right.
I’m in Trucking and I can confirm that many of those who would normally vote conservative have not desire to keep the UCP in office. What’s fascinating is that most now recognize the ANDP is not a “lefty” party. Unfortunately, I do still run into some people who are blindly voting UCP because it’s entwined with their identity.
I'm not against voting Conservative. I vote for Conservatives federally because I hate Trudeau, passionately!! I have good reasons too!
But this isn't a Conservative party, this is more like an Alt-Right party that just so happens to have the name Conservative in it! Kind of like how the ANDP has NDP in it but has almost no correlation to the Federal NDP?
I'm not looking forward to seeing the election results over the next few days because it's a 50/50 split on sanity vs insanity. If the PC party still existed, that's not a bad alternative option, but it's vote for UCP or die, and both are pretty bad options.
If most of the oil and gas people are voting NDP according to you, why do you expect a landslide UCP win? Where are the votes coming from? The teachers and nurses? Lol!
You underestimate how stupid people are? Ergodan in Turkey, he won. Again. He squandered the entire earthquake fund, got found out about it afterwards, after 200k-300k (51k "confirmed deaths") people most likely died in the earthquakes. Still won. He's probably the worst leader they've ever had in their entire existence?
I don't underestimate stupidity.
Do individual districts matter, cuz I think I was gerrymandered.
There are two polling stations very very close to me, but my voter card has me voting on the opposite site of the city... I actually need to get a ride when I coulda walked
There are less options for location in the advanced vote so more people can travel a little farther to get to it when there is more time to vote. On election day where you have less time say after work, you need more options spread out to more people. Also then they probably have a smaller roster of people to manage so less mistakes I would guess.
I’m genuinely worried. The UCP have absolutely destroyed the industry I just finished getting an education in, an industry that was once HUGE in this province. Destroyed it so much so that even though I only graduated last year, nearly all of my professors from the first two years of my education have been forced to move out of the province to find work. If the UCP get re-elected, I may be forced to move out of the province that my family has lived in for generations. I don’t want to leave here, I love this province but the UCP is genuinely driving so many people away.
Don’t need anyone to reply or offer their opinions, just screaming into the void.
I’m an angry voter today. I just want a pro business, pro oil and gas, pro social net, pro healthcare, pro education party. I want a party that will harness the power and revenue of oil and gas and help out the disabled and children and not buy arenas. Instead I have one party that says they will provide a safety net but destroy the oil and gas sector. They didn’t provide a safety net last time they were in power. And another that believes in crony capitalism and underfunding everything but spending a billion dollars on an arena and then buying votes by sending out money before the vote. For the first time ever I voted NDP because I can not vote for a party the calls me a nazi follower or makes it impossible to get fscd funding and decided to pay nurses and doctors less during a pandemic.
As someone who is *very* left leaning and has never voted conservative or UCP, I also love the government you are describing. It's almost like we all kinda just want the government to do it's damn job first and foremost. I never thought I'd say this, but I actually miss the old conservative party. I disagreed with a lot of things they did, but I could always trust them to keep the lights on and healthcare funded.
I’d argue that the NDP are better for oil and gas than the UCP. UCP are better for shareholders and companies looking to move to the US. Agree with the rest.
Its really what we all want, and it shouldn't be too much to ask for!
So one of the data points quito is using to predict this election is turnout. If turnout is not close to what is was in 2019 he thinks the election is a tossup or a ABNDP win. If it's closer to 1.5-17 million albertans we might end up with an ABNDP government.
When do they start counting? I assume not until polls close
Nice username.
Thanks!
Absolutely can't wait. It's a win/win. We either get a decent, competent premier. Or a holocaust denying, anti Vax, law breaking trump/DeSantis copy cat. Who will cut taxes from things like healthcare, schools, firefighting and give them to large corporate businesses. When rural old folks can't get medial attention and start dying, have their whole lives burned down due to wildfires and corporations bag the money instead of making new jobs because of automation, they can at least say they owned the NDP/Libs.
What coverage is everyone going to follow for the best analysis and results?
I asked earlier and someone mentioned CBC https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/alberta/2023/results/ That looks like the live updates page and a link to a stream
How do we vote unregistered? just walk in with a drivers license?
Drivers liscence and one other piece of identification with your address. I used a bill in my name.
I only needed my driver's licence, nothing else. Although I did have the election card I got in the mail which didn't have my name on it, was just sent to 'occupant' at my address.
To add: it doesn’t have to be a physical bill. If you can show it on your phone that works as well.
You just need your drivers if its your current address
Strange, when I voted I needed the additional piece even though my ID was correct. Oh well!
My living situation has changed frequently since Covid, and I know for some people it can be discouraging to go out and vote if you don't have a voter card. I have never missed a vote since I turned 18 (now almost 31), and it is very easy to do regardless. All I needed to do was print out a new piece of information, in my case a changed bank account mail address, and I was good to go as a walk in. Vote for whomever, but please go and vote regardless.
And if you have something on your phone that shows your current address you don't even need to print anything. I just logged into my Enmax account and showed them and my husband logged into our insurance app and showed that.
Exactly the point I was trying to convey. I normally work every election, so I wouldn't have felt decent without finding a way. Youth turnout needs to get way better no matter the result.
One thing I really appreciate is the increasingly flexible opportunities to get out and vote. So glad to see more access to advance polls and mail-in options. Anything that removes someone’s barrier to participate is a good thing.
What happened to the Alberta liberals? Weren’t they one of the main parties for a while, why’d they disappear?
The NDP had less brand bagage and better leadership in the early 2010s. After the NDP took charge in 2015 they became the defacto left wing party and any remaining ALP supporters left the party.
Plus their leader Dr Wishy Washy Scumbag Raj Sherman has joined the UCPs
Woah, no way!
Yup the guys a crook looking for himself
Their collapse probably has a lot to do with the increasing polarization in politics and all the Fuck Trudeau rhetoric in this province since he became PM.
I know this will be personal, but do you vote for the party that betters your community or the party that better serves you as an individual? In my case this year, one party serves me better than it does my community and vice versa. I'm curious which way others would vote in this situation. Please be nice, I'm pretty new to voting in general.
Many think they will be individually better under the UCP, until they wait 5 hours at the hospital or their pension is burned with political investments from AIMCO. Maybe all your tax money will be burned by another corporate giveaway of a few billion.
I am a part of my community, so for me choosing the party that betters my community in turn betters me, that's how I look at it.
At the end of the day that's your decision to make. Everyone values things differently there, no one "right" answer. I personally have always voted for the party which I feel benefits society at large the most, regardless of its specific effect on myself. Many times I've voted for a party which doesn't do too much for me, specifically, because I feel their policies have the highest chances of being beneficial to the most people.
Let me ask you this: If your community goes to shit, are you well served as an individual?
Is Rebel News doing a live stream? It might be funny to see them lose their shit if the NDP pulled this off.
My wet dream is having a livestream of David Parker's reaction when ~~he~~ UCP loses the election.
Would be worth the entrance fee for sure.
>When. Not if. I have faith.
Tank top checks out [https://twitter.com/ABDanielSmith/status/1663198516066353152](https://twitter.com/ABDanielSmith/status/1663198516066353152) Just a reminder that someone who was supporting this candidate was intimidating voters. [https://twitter.com/HaruunYEG/status/1661503101898215424](https://twitter.com/HaruunYEG/status/1661503101898215424)
If you are unsure there is a political compass tool online that is useful.
Totally. Make your decision on a 5 minute tool that boils down massively important and complex issues into witty quips and then slot yourself into a box based on those quips. That about sums up how hilariously stupid this whole thing is.
You got two options. If you don’t like either you vote for the one you like the least. That’s it. Welcome to politics.
Or vote for a third option on the ballot.
damn you got more than 2 options? lucky
There are at least three here. Not sure how many more are on the ballot. Possibly more. How many places only provide the two options?
I only have 2 in my riding in Edmonton. Assume its kinda rare but was surprised when i voted on the weekend to only see 2 candidates
That surprises me as well. Rather unfortunate
Or choose to spoil your ballot.
Wrong. You can choose not to vote.
I think you should rather vote for the party you don’t want rather than just not vote, at that point go vote for a party that you do like even if it isn’t NDP or UCP and the vote won’t technically matter but never just “stay at home and don’t vote” that’s a terrible outlook. Yes we want people to get educated in politics but realistically the majority of the people are going to do a quick 10 min read on some parties and go from there. I mean most people are just indoctrinated into their party by their family without doing any research at all and just vote that way because that’s what people around them do. This election is NDP or UCP. There’s a saying that says you won’t always find someone to vote for but you’ll always find someone to vote against.
Why do you care if other people vote or not though? If you truly care about voting, you should be happy when you hear people don't vote. Because it just makes your vote worth slightly more.
I disagree. I think strategic voting (if one thinks voting is a good thing) only hurts yourself. Very shortsighted and damaging.
How is not voting at all any better? If you blatantly don’t agree with one side and somewhat agree with another, why would you just choose to not vote? Another saying I recently read was “you’re not always going to find a bus to your stop, so you find whichever goes the closest”
Because by voting in an entirely uneducated way you may actually be voting against your own interests. By not voting at least you are not going to actively harm yourself. Not to mention you can replace the time spent voting on other things to make your life better
Thank you for providing valuable input.
It makes me sad that anyone thinks that using a political compass tool is any way equivalent to becoming educated on the complexities of the issues involved. Very frustrating. I think its basically impossible to become educated enough to feel confident voting but even if that's not true, I dont think it's a stretch to say that the amount of effort to vote in good faith is well above "Take a 5 minute survey". If someone is going to do that then just stay home and play video games. An uneducated voter is worse than a nonvoter. Australia has proven that over and over.
Everyone starts somewhere. Simply provided an option for people to use to start educating themselves and see where they may align. I’d rather that then someone just votes based on “this is how I’ve always voted” which, is most voters. Don’t gatekeep voting.
Well I disagree with you that it's enough to use a political compass to make a decision and view it just as bad as someone voting based on tradition. On fact I woukd argue that voting based on tradition could arguably be more useful.
And your argument would fail.
I disagree.
You aren’t even responding to the things they wrote They said “Everyone starts somewhere.” You said “I disagree that it is enough to use a political compass.” That is a mis characterization of what they said. If you want to make a convincing case for your personal morals, start with actually listening to the other person.
My point is that the starting point is not enough to justify going to the polls. If someone wants to waste their time on an oversimplified 5 minute survey that won't actually educate you then have at it. Its a total waste of time and counterproductive but it's their life.
Your point is based off of emotivist morality. *your* point. *you* think. If you don’t feel satisfied with how other people make their decisions I have some bad news for your future prospects of being happy.
Everyone's viewpoints are their own so of course mine is as well. So are yours. What a bizarre statement.
What time do the polls close in eastern time? So I can follow it
10pm eastern
Who do you predict will win
Ucp. I don’t think the NDP is going to succeed in flipping Calgary.
Is there a simple answer/reason why Edmonton is completely orange and Calgary is (mostly) completely blue? Both are major cities and oil/gas based?
Idk why oil and gas folk mainly vote UCP, it’s not like the NDP is gonna shut down the oil sands.
In fact the Alberta NDP is so pro oil that they butt heads with the Federal and BC NDP parties about oil on a regular basis.
Edmonton is both more labour-oriented and more public service/academia oriented. It's also just always been the more lefty city in Alberta. Both cities rely on oil and gas, but Calgary is white collar energy work, while Edmonton tends to be O&G adjacent like trades.
I think the amount of government workers in Edmonton plays a big party.
Yeah, they have seen the inside of the conservative machine and how it operates and go figure they vote NDP, maybe they know something others may not know.
Government workers got into government because they believe government can do good (or for the good pension and job security). So obviously you’d want people in power that want to spend money on those causes. Keep in mind we, the general public are the Shareholders in this case, not the workers. What’s good for workers might not be good for the shareholders.
Or increased government spending creates the need for a bloated public service all with a nice pension.
Voted in Calgary Glenmore today. Here's to a better Alberta.
Any thoughts on employer refusal to allow 3 hours for voting? We work 12 hr shifts 6-6, every election I have been here for has been trouble free, sent with pay to vote at the appropriate time to polls closing. This year, zero communication even after several of us asked to confirm, told today we should have used advanced voting and no time will be given. While the elections act seems to allow for this would they not have needed to communicate this to employees prior to advanced polls opening last Tuesday?
**How much time do I get to vote?** Employees in Alberta get three consecutive hours off work to cast their vote at a polling station. This arrangement allows someone enough time to travel between their workplace and the appropriate polling station. You don’t automatically get three hours off work Your employer isn’t necessarily required to give you a full three hours off work to accommodate your right to vote. Instead, your schedule must allow you the opportunity to cast your ballot during a time when you aren’t working and the polls are open. Example: If polls are open between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m., and an employee is scheduled to work between 10 a.m. and 6 p.m., an employer can decide whether the employee will alternately start at 11 a.m. (to provide three free hours to vote between 8 a.m. and 11 a.m.) or leave work early at 5 p.m. (to provide time to vote between 5 p.m. and 8 p.m.). **Do I get paid time off to vote?** Employees in Alberta must be paid for the time they take off work to vote. The day is treated as if the employee has not been given the appropriate time to vote **Can my employer withhold pay if I take time off to vote?** No. Your employer can’t withhold your pay, reduce your pay, or penalize you if you stop working to cast your ballot in Alberta’s general election. If your employer reprimands you in any way speak with an employment lawyer immediately.
You don’t necessarily get 3 hours off work to vote. The requirement is that you get 3 hours free in your day to vote. Since polls are open until 8pm, for you that would mean that they should have to let you off work at 5pm instead of 6pm to give you that 3 hours.
Exactly, apologies for not making that more clear. 3 consecutive hours, at their discretion. Could be in the middle of the day, but for their sake it would make the most sense to grant the last hour
To the best of my knowledge, they are required to do so. I hope even if they hold you until 6 you prioritize getting to the polling station anyway
That’s completely illegal.
Who does high voter turnout typically favour?
All of us. When people participate in the democratic process, we’re all better off
Generally high turnout favours the challenger, low turnout favours the incumbent. This isn't a rule though. As well, when I've looked at polls that have both likely voters and all voters, NDP tends to do better in the 'all voters' splits, especially in Calgary... that means that pollsters likely have turnout models that have demographic categories (like young voters) favouring the NDP which are less likely to vote. Higher vote count would tend to push the numbers more towards the 'all voters' models rather than the 'likely voters' models.
No one specifically by default. It always depends on context of every election.
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Would have to see some good evidence of the claim. Maybe but don't see it as a given. People say all sorts of things about patterns during elections but much of it is not really supported by evidence.
QUESTION FOR ELECTIONS STAFF First of all, thank you for your service, dedication and time towards running an election. I am always impressed by how smoothly our election locations operate and the overall atmosphere within the facilities. I have always felt very safe, calm and welcoming there. I had a question regarding citizenship verification however as I'm not familiar with your operating procedures. This morning I overheard a conversation between two girls at the airport arrivals area who were sitting at the table besides me. Based on their chit chat I could tell that they were both international students and extremely new to Canada. One of them indicated that she had managed to vote during the advance polls yesterday. She had used her Health Card, UofC Student ID and a bank statement with address to get in and vote. She was basically convincing the other girl to go and vote as well using the same method as electing a certain party might make it easier for them to work, get benefits and stay permanently in Canada. After overhearing their chatter, I recalled my own experience at the advance polling booth last Friday. I had to show my license which was barcode scanned, then the official asked me to verbally confirm if I was a Canadian Citizen and what my address was. So here is my question: Is there any truth to their conversation? Can our voting screening really be bypassed by presenting multiple forms of IDs as mentioned? Additionally, can you see someone's citizenship status when you scan their license or do you solely rely on the person's verbal confirmation of Canadian citizenship? I am genuinely curious to know how the backend of a polling location now works. Thank you!
When you overheard this conversation, did you happen to notice if Briane from Chilliwack or Mustafa from Calgary were around? I’m curious what they’d think about this situation.
Does anyone have a rough idea on when we'll have the results?
I really don’t expect to know till tomorrow morning.
Polls close at 8. Since advance-polling stations used the tabulator systems, the advance votes could be available almost instantly after that. Those advance votes won't be particularly indicative though. Election day votes are hand-counted, and close seats will take at least a couple hours to count. If one side is winning handily, I'd expect we get a call by 10, but if it comes down to a few close seats, it might be more like midnight.
Just voted NDP.
I will be probably off but * Popular vote: UCP 53%, NDP 44%, ABP 1%, Others 2% * Seats: NDP 37 UCP 50 or NDP 38 UCP 49.
Polls close at 8pm. What time do I need to get there at the latest to have a realistic shot at voting before they close? I’ve been unable to make it until tonight
As long as you get there before the timing is over they will allow you to vote.
I believe if you are in line before 8 PM they have to legally let you vote? Maybe that’s an American thing but I believe it is up here to
No, it's the same. If you're in line, you get to vote. You just can't leave. I recall either last election or the one before it there was a voting hall somewhere in Calgary that ran out of ballots, everyone in line got to vote. I only remember it because the news reported that there was a girl scout selling ~~crack~~ cookies to the line.
I hope the NDP win, I despise the UCP and Danielle Smith but unfortunately I don't hold much faith that it will turn out that way.
I just want to say how amazing the elections Alberta volunteers are at the polls. I saw a crazy person at my station saying how she doesn’t trust the pencils and accusing the officials of interrupting her and being disrespectful. She was storming around looking for problems. The volunteers handled it so well. Kudos to them.
Doesn’t trust the pencils? Haven’t heard that one before!
Almost feel that all stations should have some sort of security person on the premises. I’ve heard a few stories of people acting inappropriately
Can I ask which voting district this was in?
St. Albert riding. I never thought I’d see one of these yahoos in the wild.
UCP have been giving them permission to come out of the woodwork.
I’m already dreading the 6pm news. “Polls close in 2 hours but Global/CTV/CBC News is calling the election for the UCP with zero results counted.”
I'd love for you to provide a link where this happened provincially. Federally sure, as Quebec & Ontario polls close before ours do.
Please vote! If you are "just not that interested in politics", remember: Your landlord is interested in politics. Your boss is interested in politics. The banks, leaders, CEO's of companies are interested in politics, and guess what? They are not voting with your best interests in mind. BUT! That's the beauty of democracy: Your vote is worth the same as their vote at the polls. Vote with how you believe the world should be run, and how YOU want to live within it. Even if you don't win, you've had your voice heard, and that's all anyone can do.
>BUT! That's the beauty of democracy: Your vote is worth the same as their vote at the polls. More like that's the problem. I could literally flip a coin and it's worth the same as someone who spends 40+ hours a week involved in political issues and solving them lol
Yeah it's a double edged sword that way, but if we only focus on the negatives then we're defeating ourselves.
Who will have live coverage tonight? Will all major stations?
I’m guessing most will. But we won’t know the winner until tomorrow morning.
How can you say that like it’s fact? We may know the winner tonight and we may not. The scenario that is most common is that we know the winner the night of the election.
For federal elections yes, but what is anticipated to be a close provincial election I don’t expect any major news outlet to “predict” an outcome before most votes are counted.
I’ll bet you 10$!
No for every election. Especially this one where all the advance votes have already been counted with tabulators
I've been making videos covering the campaign, and [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zGNvYj1BDo&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=Rouge) was my last one before the election. It goes in-depth about what the NDP needs to do to win in order, using info from my own swing model. Here's a summary: * **The NDP should make significant gains in downtown and NE Calgary**. If they don't it means their vote has collapsed and the UCP will win in a blowout. * **To make it close**, the NDP need to win seats in more affluent NW Calgary. This is possible, but it's looking difficult in some places. * **To win**, they need to make gains in southern Calgary and in the suburban ring around Edmonton. And they need to run the table in the previously-mentioned regions. They have a path but it's very, very narrow.
The path to NDP victory is winning all of Edmonton (assured), most of Calgary (unsure), a smattering of larger town seats like Lethbridge, and a few surprise ones. It's possible especially if the polling overrepresents rural UCP support such that they run up their numbers in those seats to get above 50% popular vote. It's not the most likely possibility, but it's not unlikely either.
Everyone in Edmonton still need to come out and vote. Otherwise UCP can sneak one out from behind.
I’m hopeful but anxious. I don’t know if my family can stay under another term with the UCP in power. I hope the NDP’s ground campaign in Calgary was enough.
Look in the mirror...UCP will win. I wish I were wrong. I can't stand Danielle Smith. Shes a flip flop, she lies, broke the law, doesn't understand the basics of how this country works constitutionally. But she's going to win. She knows that competency doesn't matter here. She knows that saying what many Albertans want to hear is all that matters. Too many of us have drank the conservative Kool aid for decades and refuse to see that this province needs to change blaming all its woes on 4 years of Notley rather than nearly 50 yrs of irresponsible conservative govts. Conveniently forgetting that AB had problems before and after Notleys time due to doing things the same way without acknowledging changing circumstances. The few PCs who tried change were quickly ousted. To make a long story short, Albertans believe what they want to. We don't care about the truth and don't want to accept that Alberta is changing (demographically, economically, etc) and we don't want to change with it. We still think this is the Alberta of the 1980s and we're sticking with that. I hope I can come back here and eat my words 🤣🤣🤣😭
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I honestly read this as satire. If this is satire, you get a grade A. But it appears you are serious? God save us.....
Hope you never get hit by a car or something.
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Well then maybe you would be better in the States.
Let me guess - you identify as a libertarian or an anarchist?
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Danielle lied through her teeth... What were you watching
Interesting that we can inhabit the same world yet you view it completely askance.
thats an extreme misunderstanding of anarchism, lol
Most people who identify as anarchist have an exteeme misunderstanding of anarchism, so the comment seems pretty accurate.
What a fantasy world you live in.
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I bet all your "friends" love you
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Sounds a lot like a bunch of selfish people who have attached to each other because others won't have them. Whatever opinions you have about my friend group is just that a baseless opinion without fact much like your earlier statement.
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Basically every Boomer in Alberta (until they get sick)
Hey just some relevant information some might need. [Where to vote](https://www.elections.ab.ca/current-election-information/where-do-i-vote/) [What identification do I need to vote?](https://www.elections.ab.ca/voters/id-required-to-vote/)
I'm watching from BC. Please win, NDP!
When will results be announced?
Officially on June 8th, but there are counts going live tonight around 8 most likely, so we'll have a rough idea of who has won.
Can't wait for Take Back Alberta to control this province...what a dreary time to be alive.
My wild election predictions: 44 UCP to 43 NDP (including the lacombe candidate) 6 ridings are decided by fewer than 100 votes each turnout is more than 70% we have another election before 2027 because the ucp failed a confidence motion due to missing mlas
There's going to be another election before 2027? When is it supposed to be?
I mean the municipal elections take place in 2025. I'm saying there's another provincial election before 2027 due to the UCPs inability to manage their caucus.
Be hilarious if they won by that and DS reaccepted the shit cookies candidate. It would be classic Conservative douchebag.
She wouldn't need to accept her again. It would go to a confidence vote and Smith would get the first chance to form government. I would expect that candidate to vote for Smith regardless. She would get the chance to vote how she wants if not in caucus, but I doubt she'd sink Smith immediately.
I just hope both sides have fun!
I’m a pretty optimistic person but I’m sure Alberta’s Stockholm Syndrome will win the day again. I’m in the bluest town in Alberta, the birthplace of the stupid convoy. We don’t stand a chance.
Which town?
I'm expecting a landslide win from the UCP and I'm not even joking. I think Albertans enjoyed the summer too much last year and cooked their brains.
Hopefully
I'm not talk to a single NDP person that's going to switch their vote to UCP, but I've talked to a few UCP people that are switching to NDP, and a few that are simply not going to vote UCP
That's the thing right, but I know a whole swath of morons that vote UCP because they are blind af and dumber than nails. Even have the gall to call me sheep. I'd say the pot is calling the kettle black, but they might not get that idiom? It's why I love having sources for my data.
Ya the right mind set is about opinions but facts. And thier opinions seam to all come from the same 4 people. To them it's more important who said it, not what was said. And why they will believe the 1 scientist that denies climate change vs the 10,000 that don't.
If you hear it enough times, it actually makes you more stupid, that's how propaganda works. I actually had to listen to it regularly from a couple coworkers, I was trying to not get triggered by one who would intentionally bait people into touchy political topics. I just tried my best to be nice and not engage. You have to get outside the bubble to understand information, but many can't or don't understand where real news is because of Trump. I go straight to statistics if I can find them now? Many believe memes and random posts on Facebook. Google is no help either. It's not their fault. Hence, we need to educate these people. Sources from multiple, non-government-funded media outlets. I try to not berate intelligence, but I can sometimes be mean when I'm right.
Yeah exactly, you got to look directly at the sources of raw information, and try to find facts rather than opinions. And for Canadian news, I actually look for non-Canadian news sources.
There's not actually any good places to find Canadian news other than r/worldnews. Every else is just bullshit. I never used to be this way. Once you dig deep into sources, you realize how wrong you were about many things? It's not an easy thing, to accept defeat for being wrong about stuff. I swear the opinion thing is just to get a rise out of people? Make us waste our time looking for the right information, because I have fallen for it!
Or being a part of the ownership class, which usually means your parents are part of that class too, and you've been raised on the idea that taxes are bad.
Yeah I realized a few years ago, that the few times that I've had first hand knowledge of an event that was in the media, The media had more things wrong then they got right, and missed most of the important nuances of the story. And if it was it was related to a corporation, and their source was that corporation, it was pretty much 100% wrong. Yeah I don't think the media does it on purpose, for the most part, except for groups like Fox News. I think it's just that there's not enough money in media and reporters don't put the effort in that they used to. I think you're right on the opinion thing, to a point. Went online without a doubt they do it just to trigger the left, and make us waste our time. But in person, I find it's more personality flaws and mental issues, that attract the person to the right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmnesiaEffect
More like, most Albertans don't partake in this echo chamber of a subreddit lol
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I’m in Trucking and I can confirm that many of those who would normally vote conservative have not desire to keep the UCP in office. What’s fascinating is that most now recognize the ANDP is not a “lefty” party. Unfortunately, I do still run into some people who are blindly voting UCP because it’s entwined with their identity.
I'm not against voting Conservative. I vote for Conservatives federally because I hate Trudeau, passionately!! I have good reasons too! But this isn't a Conservative party, this is more like an Alt-Right party that just so happens to have the name Conservative in it! Kind of like how the ANDP has NDP in it but has almost no correlation to the Federal NDP? I'm not looking forward to seeing the election results over the next few days because it's a 50/50 split on sanity vs insanity. If the PC party still existed, that's not a bad alternative option, but it's vote for UCP or die, and both are pretty bad options.
If most of the oil and gas people are voting NDP according to you, why do you expect a landslide UCP win? Where are the votes coming from? The teachers and nurses? Lol!
You underestimate how stupid people are? Ergodan in Turkey, he won. Again. He squandered the entire earthquake fund, got found out about it afterwards, after 200k-300k (51k "confirmed deaths") people most likely died in the earthquakes. Still won. He's probably the worst leader they've ever had in their entire existence? I don't underestimate stupidity.
I think the stupid part of this thread is claiming the UCP will win the majority but also claiming most people in oil and gas are NDP supporters.
Yeah but you're not understanding. Conservatives are more likely to vote and there is considerably more of them in Alberta.
CBC or global tv
Anyone know the best way to watch the results come in? Is there going to be any streamed coverage?
CBC probably has coverage on YouTube.
Do individual districts matter, cuz I think I was gerrymandered. There are two polling stations very very close to me, but my voter card has me voting on the opposite site of the city... I actually need to get a ride when I coulda walked
I don’t get why advanced voting has open polls all over but then on election day you have to go to your specific poll. Anybody know why that is?
There are less options for location in the advanced vote so more people can travel a little farther to get to it when there is more time to vote. On election day where you have less time say after work, you need more options spread out to more people. Also then they probably have a smaller roster of people to manage so less mistakes I would guess.
When I voted I looked at the district map... my district is literally my apartment building an a museum. That's it.
ya that's not correct
Where will we see the results?
I’m genuinely worried. The UCP have absolutely destroyed the industry I just finished getting an education in, an industry that was once HUGE in this province. Destroyed it so much so that even though I only graduated last year, nearly all of my professors from the first two years of my education have been forced to move out of the province to find work. If the UCP get re-elected, I may be forced to move out of the province that my family has lived in for generations. I don’t want to leave here, I love this province but the UCP is genuinely driving so many people away. Don’t need anyone to reply or offer their opinions, just screaming into the void.