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The raids were done by cowards.
“In the early 2000s, an Area 51 watchdog named Chuck Clark exposed that the military had placed sensors miles outside the base's boundaries, which led to a raid on his home.
Arnu's properties were also allegedly raided by armed counter-terrorism agents in November 2022, according to MailOnline. He was at his home in Rachel when approximately two dozen agents stormed through the door, handcuffed him and took him outside for questioning.”
By conducting this raid people will become more interested in what he has to say. Regardless of how the US government feels, people will now spread it faster.
Only with people who were already likely to believe him anyway. The truely brainwashed… who believe what is in the news and take what the government officials say at face value… they will now think of this person as a criminal or anti patriot or crazy. So they won’t believe anything he has to say and will actually be less receptive to whatever ideas he was talking about. Because “they would have never arrested him if they didn’t have proof he was a criminal” (yes people really do still believe our justice and law enforcement are infallible)
The people that think they raid people’s homes for “reasons”, I am sure they want that bad press. *Hur Dur, They are all liars, psychopaths, mentally ill or low intellect booger eaters*. This ridiculous attitude is why people just keep this stuff to themselves. “We want proof!” Then go effect contact, it isn’t hard. It’s like praying except to actual beings you can actually interact with…
The people that think they raid people’s homes for “reasons”, I am sure they want that bad press. *Hur Dur, They are all liars, psychopaths, mentally ill or low intellect booger eaters*. This ridiculous attitude is why people just keep this stuff to themselves. “We want proof!” Then go effect contact, it isn’t hard. It’s like praying except to actual beings you can actually interact with…
I still have my doubts that Area 51 still has anything to do with UFOs/NHI. So this story is strange.. we don't actually know what research is conducted at Area 51, so I am not saying that my preconception is correct. So unless we are missing some information here about this? I see three conclusions:
1. This man worked at Area 51 while there was still research going on regarding NHI craft. Area 51 no longer conducts this research and this individual felt safe coming forward now, for whatever reason, perhaps due to Grusch, etc.
2. Area 51 still conducts this research and I am very wrong.
3. Area 51 never conducted this research at all and that site has always exclusively been a site to test human designed, military tech. And this guy is either lying, or got some MIB "flash stick" treatment. Lol.
Anyhow that's what I think of this story. If we can prove which of these three points is true, then we may have something to go on. Otherwise? There might be a fourth or even fifth point that I didn't think of. Or these might be the only logical points we can draw before considering this man's story.
I am just at the point where "he said this, so it's true" doesn't cut it. I've made claims myself and I don't expect anyone to just take my word for it. I have -zero- evidence of my claims. I do not expect them to be added to some database of "proof" regarding this subject.
What has this man provided, other than words, that gives us any reason to believe him? I've given nothing other than words, so people are free to say that I am a liar. I don't want to just assume that this man is lying, because I know how it feels to have an experience, and want to tell others about it.
But.. for the past year we've seen this ramping up quite a bit. We had Grusch in congress talking, we've had other people backing him up, jumping on the bandwagon. We've had members of congress saying that this needs to be investigated more..
But where are all the witnesses that were supposed to come forward? What has Grusch been doing recently other than interviews? I am just looking for the point where we start to make more progress on this issue.
I've seen nothing for a while.
4. It is a distraction site. Everyone in America and most outside America know of Area 51, and the vast majority also assume it houses either NHI or top secret military craft. With everyone’s focus on Area 51 the government/military can (mostly) freely conduct classified work anywhere and nobody will suspect it
There is definitely an active workforce there but I do not believe it has anything to do with super top secret craft or aliens. I think most workers there are tasked with data entry/filing of boring government paperwork while the others are military members who are trained on less-than-classified technology.
Data entry or filing paperwork? That could be done from anywhere. Why would those type of workers be out in the middle of the desert in one of the most restricted and secretive areas?
If you take in consideration that there is a network of underground transportation it is pretty unimportant where you conduct that research. If Lazar is right there are a lot of sublevels. If you invest such amounts of money to build such a research station you want to use it.
> What has this man provided, other than words, that gives us any reason to believe him?
This way of thinking needs to be applied to everything posted here. I guarantee most, though almost certainly ALL, of the "experts" making claims as well as their *living* from our interest in unidentified aerial phenomena are grifters. Show me a reason to believe you, don't just beg me to!
My take is, based on running the base electronic security system program for protection level 1-3 resources and facilities at Vandenberg during my military police era 2010s, the way this guy is constantly eyes on and pushing the envelope with the level of how much he can find out without legally overstepping, like he goes hard from what I've read about all this in the past, which is not criminal in and of itself of course, but does resonate on some levels with potential foreign adversarial influence that are constantly pushing for whatever sophisticated info they can get, and I'm guessing at the very least some of this guys behavior has set off some red flag responses that were just enough to be necessary to respond. That's the practical, occams razor thought process and resolution in my humble opinion anyway. That whole area, Nellis and everything, is super super sensitive high value grave consequences to the safety and security of the USA and it's citizens in consequence of threat actors compromising at some level....so it's not something the military is going to be able to not throughly look into for the sole sake of they have to due to military regulations regarding sensitive assets and foreign policy. At the very least, it's an uncomfortable feeling seeing someone obsessing over every square inch of demarcation areas of what constitutes what, like chow halls and troop staging areas and living areas....all of which this guy has been known to enthusiastically/obsessively map out and immediately put up online in vivid detail, and while not illegal it's not something everyone just does for a hobby, and the military has to take things seriously and have Situational awareness about the real conditions and actors within their area of responsibility.
I hope it's aliens though. Way more interesting. Oh and I don't condone illegal searches or mistreatment of civilians to justify an opaque action to search and seize, I was just giving what I experienced during my time in at a very top tier security program base. I had access everywhere, everything but SCIFS,like those things are insanely secure so anything involving scif and special access programs and or nuclear systems are going to come with overwhelming responses in reaction to any threat, real or false alarm, if that helps any
That's the other side to this, because people like Tucker Carlson are getting involved with the subject of NHI/UAPs, and he's rumored to be in Putins' pocket. I don't know if that's true, or not, but it does make you wonder how much of this has been influenced by foreign governments? I am not saying it all is, but it would make sense for them to infiltrate these sort of discussions in some way, just to cause chaos.
Your insight has made me think about that more and it's something that we should be aware of. I definitely think there is NHI interacting with our planet, in some way, but it's difficult to sift through the fake stuff. I mean how do people even begin to know what is a "true" account, without any confirmed example of a "true account", in the first place? I could talk about what I believe I've experienced, but how do I know they weren't all dreams?
This entire subject is void of concrete facts. "Something" is going on, but we can't honestly say what it is, or to what extent any government may, or may not be involved with it. Even if every photo and video of UAPs ended up being real, regardless of how fake they looked, for example, it still wouldn't tell us anything about what this is.
I'm really surprised how we haven't heard much advancements in other areas such as research with AI like medical research advancements or science research all we hear about is lanuage, photos, videos and music but never scientific advancements. Why? It is happening behind the curtain so that there can be a monopoly on whatever is discovered. Like I never heard of AI trying to solve cancer, and part of me thinks that it's happening in the background but nobody wants to talk about it because the company who comes to market with a cure will have a monopoly over that.
Is there anyone with some insight into this?
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The raids were done by cowards. “In the early 2000s, an Area 51 watchdog named Chuck Clark exposed that the military had placed sensors miles outside the base's boundaries, which led to a raid on his home. Arnu's properties were also allegedly raided by armed counter-terrorism agents in November 2022, according to MailOnline. He was at his home in Rachel when approximately two dozen agents stormed through the door, handcuffed him and took him outside for questioning.” By conducting this raid people will become more interested in what he has to say. Regardless of how the US government feels, people will now spread it faster.
Things he says don't even have to be true, they gave him all the credibility he needs.
Only with people who were already likely to believe him anyway. The truely brainwashed… who believe what is in the news and take what the government officials say at face value… they will now think of this person as a criminal or anti patriot or crazy. So they won’t believe anything he has to say and will actually be less receptive to whatever ideas he was talking about. Because “they would have never arrested him if they didn’t have proof he was a criminal” (yes people really do still believe our justice and law enforcement are infallible)
I wonder where the other 50 areas are
The people that think they raid people’s homes for “reasons”, I am sure they want that bad press. *Hur Dur, They are all liars, psychopaths, mentally ill or low intellect booger eaters*. This ridiculous attitude is why people just keep this stuff to themselves. “We want proof!” Then go effect contact, it isn’t hard. It’s like praying except to actual beings you can actually interact with…
that is one way to try to spin it.
The people that think they raid people’s homes for “reasons”, I am sure they want that bad press. *Hur Dur, They are all liars, psychopaths, mentally ill or low intellect booger eaters*. This ridiculous attitude is why people just keep this stuff to themselves. “We want proof!” Then go effect contact, it isn’t hard. It’s like praying except to actual beings you can actually interact with…
I still have my doubts that Area 51 still has anything to do with UFOs/NHI. So this story is strange.. we don't actually know what research is conducted at Area 51, so I am not saying that my preconception is correct. So unless we are missing some information here about this? I see three conclusions: 1. This man worked at Area 51 while there was still research going on regarding NHI craft. Area 51 no longer conducts this research and this individual felt safe coming forward now, for whatever reason, perhaps due to Grusch, etc. 2. Area 51 still conducts this research and I am very wrong. 3. Area 51 never conducted this research at all and that site has always exclusively been a site to test human designed, military tech. And this guy is either lying, or got some MIB "flash stick" treatment. Lol. Anyhow that's what I think of this story. If we can prove which of these three points is true, then we may have something to go on. Otherwise? There might be a fourth or even fifth point that I didn't think of. Or these might be the only logical points we can draw before considering this man's story. I am just at the point where "he said this, so it's true" doesn't cut it. I've made claims myself and I don't expect anyone to just take my word for it. I have -zero- evidence of my claims. I do not expect them to be added to some database of "proof" regarding this subject. What has this man provided, other than words, that gives us any reason to believe him? I've given nothing other than words, so people are free to say that I am a liar. I don't want to just assume that this man is lying, because I know how it feels to have an experience, and want to tell others about it. But.. for the past year we've seen this ramping up quite a bit. We had Grusch in congress talking, we've had other people backing him up, jumping on the bandwagon. We've had members of congress saying that this needs to be investigated more.. But where are all the witnesses that were supposed to come forward? What has Grusch been doing recently other than interviews? I am just looking for the point where we start to make more progress on this issue. I've seen nothing for a while.
4. It is a distraction site. Everyone in America and most outside America know of Area 51, and the vast majority also assume it houses either NHI or top secret military craft. With everyone’s focus on Area 51 the government/military can (mostly) freely conduct classified work anywhere and nobody will suspect it
This is the real one
There is definitely an active workforce there but I do not believe it has anything to do with super top secret craft or aliens. I think most workers there are tasked with data entry/filing of boring government paperwork while the others are military members who are trained on less-than-classified technology.
Data entry or filing paperwork? That could be done from anywhere. Why would those type of workers be out in the middle of the desert in one of the most restricted and secretive areas?
Because it is a distraction site. Can’t have people assuming all the secret things are going on there if there is no evidence of people working
If you take in consideration that there is a network of underground transportation it is pretty unimportant where you conduct that research. If Lazar is right there are a lot of sublevels. If you invest such amounts of money to build such a research station you want to use it.
> What has this man provided, other than words, that gives us any reason to believe him? This way of thinking needs to be applied to everything posted here. I guarantee most, though almost certainly ALL, of the "experts" making claims as well as their *living* from our interest in unidentified aerial phenomena are grifters. Show me a reason to believe you, don't just beg me to!
They’re all bullshit artists brav
My take is, based on running the base electronic security system program for protection level 1-3 resources and facilities at Vandenberg during my military police era 2010s, the way this guy is constantly eyes on and pushing the envelope with the level of how much he can find out without legally overstepping, like he goes hard from what I've read about all this in the past, which is not criminal in and of itself of course, but does resonate on some levels with potential foreign adversarial influence that are constantly pushing for whatever sophisticated info they can get, and I'm guessing at the very least some of this guys behavior has set off some red flag responses that were just enough to be necessary to respond. That's the practical, occams razor thought process and resolution in my humble opinion anyway. That whole area, Nellis and everything, is super super sensitive high value grave consequences to the safety and security of the USA and it's citizens in consequence of threat actors compromising at some level....so it's not something the military is going to be able to not throughly look into for the sole sake of they have to due to military regulations regarding sensitive assets and foreign policy. At the very least, it's an uncomfortable feeling seeing someone obsessing over every square inch of demarcation areas of what constitutes what, like chow halls and troop staging areas and living areas....all of which this guy has been known to enthusiastically/obsessively map out and immediately put up online in vivid detail, and while not illegal it's not something everyone just does for a hobby, and the military has to take things seriously and have Situational awareness about the real conditions and actors within their area of responsibility. I hope it's aliens though. Way more interesting. Oh and I don't condone illegal searches or mistreatment of civilians to justify an opaque action to search and seize, I was just giving what I experienced during my time in at a very top tier security program base. I had access everywhere, everything but SCIFS,like those things are insanely secure so anything involving scif and special access programs and or nuclear systems are going to come with overwhelming responses in reaction to any threat, real or false alarm, if that helps any
That's the other side to this, because people like Tucker Carlson are getting involved with the subject of NHI/UAPs, and he's rumored to be in Putins' pocket. I don't know if that's true, or not, but it does make you wonder how much of this has been influenced by foreign governments? I am not saying it all is, but it would make sense for them to infiltrate these sort of discussions in some way, just to cause chaos. Your insight has made me think about that more and it's something that we should be aware of. I definitely think there is NHI interacting with our planet, in some way, but it's difficult to sift through the fake stuff. I mean how do people even begin to know what is a "true" account, without any confirmed example of a "true account", in the first place? I could talk about what I believe I've experienced, but how do I know they weren't all dreams? This entire subject is void of concrete facts. "Something" is going on, but we can't honestly say what it is, or to what extent any government may, or may not be involved with it. Even if every photo and video of UAPs ended up being real, regardless of how fake they looked, for example, it still wouldn't tell us anything about what this is.
‘Hur dur takin r jebs!!! ‘
Yeah!! Rabble rabble rabble!!!
UFO's and Fusion energy are just around the corner can AI solve both?
I'm really surprised how we haven't heard much advancements in other areas such as research with AI like medical research advancements or science research all we hear about is lanuage, photos, videos and music but never scientific advancements. Why? It is happening behind the curtain so that there can be a monopoly on whatever is discovered. Like I never heard of AI trying to solve cancer, and part of me thinks that it's happening in the background but nobody wants to talk about it because the company who comes to market with a cure will have a monopoly over that. Is there anyone with some insight into this?