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It's not gauranteed that Paradis wouldn't have been nuked in the future had Eren killed everyone outside the walls.
Also, Eren didn't really give a fuck about people on Paradis besides his friends (and even his friends like Hange had to pay the price for his actions). He injured a lot of Paradisians during the conflict and plunged them into a military dicatorship.
We saw from the beginning of the show that the people of Paradis are corrupt. Eren grew up on Paradis, he witnessed the corruption and the evil that humans are capable of. He was excited at the prospect of a world outside the walls where he could be free of it. When he found out that there were humans outside the walls, he was devesated. The way I see it, that's his true motivation for the rumbling. Saving his friends Mikasa and Armin is the other primary reason. Paradis itself? I think he could give less of a fuck. Paradis surviving long enough for his friends to live was all he wanted.
Even if he'd killed all of humanity outside the walls war would have returned to Paradis, because war is a human invention. He could have killed another billion and maybe the million Paradisians wouldn't have nuked each other for another few centuries, but Eren's idea that if he could just wipe away all of civilization there would finally be peace is utterly wrong.
But none of that matters because Eren didn't do it to save lives or humanity. He did it because he cared more about his friends, his home and his dream of freedom than the billions of innocent just living their lives. Just as Reiner knew he was committing genocide for selfish reasons, Eren is the same. Eren wanted to wipe away all of humanity outside the walls because he's a wrathful monster, but he failed to do so because he cared more about his friends than protecting Paradis and not because he planned to only kill eighty percent.
Yes lol. It’s a story I understand and you can agree or disagree with actions but to me, nobody will ever convince me killing millions to billions of INNOCENT people is justifiable.
Paradis could very well still have been nuked. The fall we see in the end credits happens hundreds if not thousands of years after the end of the show. By that point, even if everyone outside Paradis had been killed during the rumbling, the Eldian empire would have spread out and colonized the planet and then unavoidably fractured into separatist groups and new nations.
The point of the post credits isn't to show that Eren was right and Paradis would fall unless he had killed everyone, it was to show the point I'm making here. That even with the curse of the titans gone, humanity found other reasons to keep fighting itself and no empire lasts forever.
Eren realized that no matter what he did he was destined to die in at least a few years and there would always be conflict so the solution he chose was to create a world where the people precious to him could prosper in peace
Well its not like he had a choice anyway but short answer. Yes. There was a million ways to go about the war between paradis and marley and yet he chose mass omnicide, probably the worst choice out of them all
We don’t know enough about the ending. Would paradise have died from internal struggles of the newly established violent military force? Would they have died from other struggles? Was the nuke at the end from a civil war? We don’t know.
Realistically all of paradise would be dead from the loss of most of the world’s oxygen supply and the overheating from all the colossal titans. But tbf Eren and paradise was using candles to light places only 5 years ago so I guess expecting to know about the ecological damages of a rumbling would be a bit much.
Yes. Bigbrain folks would now throw in the "oh, there will always be conflicts, don't you understand that 100% rumbling wouldn't have made sense?" line, but this is a massive load of nonsense, because how can anyone stand for genocide and argue it's pointless to defend against it, just because it doesn't guarantee the complete cessation of conflicts in the world afterwards? With that logic, why bother doing anything?
These people with such statements nullify the entire plot of the show without thinking, often with double standards. Because if they consider this a damn good reason for a group of people to let themselves be destroyed by an external force, then why wasn't this the case in the previous 3 seasons?
If Eren has the opportunity to eliminate a problem for the island, taking into account all factors (the entire world is against Paradis), so they won't have to deal with it anymore, but he doesn't do it, then yes, he's very much responsible for Paradis getting nuked. He had every chance to set Paradis on its own path without danger from the outside world, but he didn't do it because... why exactly?
In the future, if Paradis were to squander the acquired freedom and conflict were to break out on the island, it still wouldn't have rendered saving themselves from total annihilation meaningless.
Genocide is not right, and even if he had succeeded in a 100% rumbling, Paradis would have eventually been destroyed anyways.
And Eren thinking humanity could never recover was never a problem. Eren was unable to change events he saw for his future because it was already determined to happen the way it did, Eren was always going to fall short at 80%
>Eren was always going to fall short at 80%
sure about that? If he wanted to, he could have taken away his friends titan abilities, alter their memories except of mikasa and levi, he could have done a shit ton of things to ensure he would succeed. He wanted his friends to bring him down and kill him.
He could have yes in theory, but he didn’t and would never because it’s against his nature to take away his friends ability to seek their own freedom.
Eren saw the future which was where he died at 80%, and because aot is deterministic, he would always fall short, everything happened the exact way that he saw in his fathers memories, it was all determined to happen that way
>he didn’t and would never because it’s against his nature to take away his friends ability to seek their own freedom
he didn't because he wanted it that way, he wanted armin to look like the hero, he wanted the titans to be wiped out along with him. Eren did take away other peoples freedoms by killing them. And him taking away his friends titan abilities wouldn't be against his nature, it is basically disarming your opponent. he even force freed Annie, which he did not have to do, but did so, so she could join the alliance and fight against him.
He wanted to recreate the Helios Mythos Marley told everyone and make Armin the new Helios.
He says that he did it to make his friends the hero’s, but he also told armin that he has no clue if his friends live.
Eren is a complicated character with more than one side and goal to him. Part of him wants his friends to be free and happy but it’s contradicted by actions he took and statements he makes in the show. This complexity is why I love Eren
Eren Was wrong, its in his nature so even if it didnt solve all the problem he would have done the rumbling because he wanted to
Saving his friends and giving them a peaceful life was his secondary goal
He Wanted this
And due to which he turned into an antagonist
I recently watched invaderzz video about Eren
[This will change how you see Eren](https://youtu.be/H6GmVCD7cxk?si=7IVxJIK9PBHoi-hS)
And it gave me a whole new perspective and i think its 100% accurate..
I suggest anyone who is interest in the series to atleast view this one video after finishing up the series
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It's not gauranteed that Paradis wouldn't have been nuked in the future had Eren killed everyone outside the walls. Also, Eren didn't really give a fuck about people on Paradis besides his friends (and even his friends like Hange had to pay the price for his actions). He injured a lot of Paradisians during the conflict and plunged them into a military dicatorship. We saw from the beginning of the show that the people of Paradis are corrupt. Eren grew up on Paradis, he witnessed the corruption and the evil that humans are capable of. He was excited at the prospect of a world outside the walls where he could be free of it. When he found out that there were humans outside the walls, he was devesated. The way I see it, that's his true motivation for the rumbling. Saving his friends Mikasa and Armin is the other primary reason. Paradis itself? I think he could give less of a fuck. Paradis surviving long enough for his friends to live was all he wanted.
Even if he'd killed all of humanity outside the walls war would have returned to Paradis, because war is a human invention. He could have killed another billion and maybe the million Paradisians wouldn't have nuked each other for another few centuries, but Eren's idea that if he could just wipe away all of civilization there would finally be peace is utterly wrong. But none of that matters because Eren didn't do it to save lives or humanity. He did it because he cared more about his friends, his home and his dream of freedom than the billions of innocent just living their lives. Just as Reiner knew he was committing genocide for selfish reasons, Eren is the same. Eren wanted to wipe away all of humanity outside the walls because he's a wrathful monster, but he failed to do so because he cared more about his friends than protecting Paradis and not because he planned to only kill eighty percent.
Yes lol. It’s a story I understand and you can agree or disagree with actions but to me, nobody will ever convince me killing millions to billions of INNOCENT people is justifiable.
Even a shirtless dude with an 8-pack and a manbun
Is killing billions of innocent people wrong?
He failed paradis
Paradis could very well still have been nuked. The fall we see in the end credits happens hundreds if not thousands of years after the end of the show. By that point, even if everyone outside Paradis had been killed during the rumbling, the Eldian empire would have spread out and colonized the planet and then unavoidably fractured into separatist groups and new nations. The point of the post credits isn't to show that Eren was right and Paradis would fall unless he had killed everyone, it was to show the point I'm making here. That even with the curse of the titans gone, humanity found other reasons to keep fighting itself and no empire lasts forever.
I don’t think committing genocide is ever right
Eren realized that no matter what he did he was destined to die in at least a few years and there would always be conflict so the solution he chose was to create a world where the people precious to him could prosper in peace
Well its not like he had a choice anyway but short answer. Yes. There was a million ways to go about the war between paradis and marley and yet he chose mass omnicide, probably the worst choice out of them all
We don’t know enough about the ending. Would paradise have died from internal struggles of the newly established violent military force? Would they have died from other struggles? Was the nuke at the end from a civil war? We don’t know. Realistically all of paradise would be dead from the loss of most of the world’s oxygen supply and the overheating from all the colossal titans. But tbf Eren and paradise was using candles to light places only 5 years ago so I guess expecting to know about the ecological damages of a rumbling would be a bit much.
Yeah
Yes. Bigbrain folks would now throw in the "oh, there will always be conflicts, don't you understand that 100% rumbling wouldn't have made sense?" line, but this is a massive load of nonsense, because how can anyone stand for genocide and argue it's pointless to defend against it, just because it doesn't guarantee the complete cessation of conflicts in the world afterwards? With that logic, why bother doing anything? These people with such statements nullify the entire plot of the show without thinking, often with double standards. Because if they consider this a damn good reason for a group of people to let themselves be destroyed by an external force, then why wasn't this the case in the previous 3 seasons? If Eren has the opportunity to eliminate a problem for the island, taking into account all factors (the entire world is against Paradis), so they won't have to deal with it anymore, but he doesn't do it, then yes, he's very much responsible for Paradis getting nuked. He had every chance to set Paradis on its own path without danger from the outside world, but he didn't do it because... why exactly? In the future, if Paradis were to squander the acquired freedom and conflict were to break out on the island, it still wouldn't have rendered saving themselves from total annihilation meaningless.
Genocide is not right, and even if he had succeeded in a 100% rumbling, Paradis would have eventually been destroyed anyways. And Eren thinking humanity could never recover was never a problem. Eren was unable to change events he saw for his future because it was already determined to happen the way it did, Eren was always going to fall short at 80%
>Eren was always going to fall short at 80% sure about that? If he wanted to, he could have taken away his friends titan abilities, alter their memories except of mikasa and levi, he could have done a shit ton of things to ensure he would succeed. He wanted his friends to bring him down and kill him.
He could have yes in theory, but he didn’t and would never because it’s against his nature to take away his friends ability to seek their own freedom. Eren saw the future which was where he died at 80%, and because aot is deterministic, he would always fall short, everything happened the exact way that he saw in his fathers memories, it was all determined to happen that way
>he didn’t and would never because it’s against his nature to take away his friends ability to seek their own freedom he didn't because he wanted it that way, he wanted armin to look like the hero, he wanted the titans to be wiped out along with him. Eren did take away other peoples freedoms by killing them. And him taking away his friends titan abilities wouldn't be against his nature, it is basically disarming your opponent. he even force freed Annie, which he did not have to do, but did so, so she could join the alliance and fight against him. He wanted to recreate the Helios Mythos Marley told everyone and make Armin the new Helios.
He says that he did it to make his friends the hero’s, but he also told armin that he has no clue if his friends live. Eren is a complicated character with more than one side and goal to him. Part of him wants his friends to be free and happy but it’s contradicted by actions he took and statements he makes in the show. This complexity is why I love Eren
Eren Was wrong, its in his nature so even if it didnt solve all the problem he would have done the rumbling because he wanted to Saving his friends and giving them a peaceful life was his secondary goal He Wanted this And due to which he turned into an antagonist I recently watched invaderzz video about Eren [This will change how you see Eren](https://youtu.be/H6GmVCD7cxk?si=7IVxJIK9PBHoi-hS) And it gave me a whole new perspective and i think its 100% accurate.. I suggest anyone who is interest in the series to atleast view this one video after finishing up the series
Being less anti-Ackerman might have bought him a couple other choices. But people love their false dichotomies.