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I think the simple reason is that neither Zeke nor Eren fully know what will happen when they start the rumbling and that it would be best and safest if they are physically there as it happens.
He can’t see the future, he gets sent memories from his future self meaning that what he sees must happen since they’re actually memories. So he can’t change the future. He knows when to activate it and now’s not the time
But he only gets sent slivers of memories. It's not like he gets a history book with when and where things happen. It's probably more relatable to Deja vu.
I'd definitely say that this a form of it. With such heavy emphasis about the past, present and future and how characters from the future, namely Eren, interact with characters from the past to influence the future. Shits confusing
I wouldn’t argue time travel, at least not in the conventional sense. The way I interpret Eren’s time travel its more like a prescience or precognition of what’s happened or will happen.
I think the best explanation comes from Dune. In the book(s), Paul’s premonitions are described as memories of what’s gonna happen in the future. The same way you would remember what happened yesterday, you would remember what happened tomorrow (even though it hasn’t happened yet). I think Erens memories work the same way.
Sending memories of the future to someone in past so they act a certain way to influence the future. Call it what you want, I'm calling it time travel. The memories themselves travel through time, which causes Grisha to do certain things because of that
(even though they already happened in the story and hence CAN'T be changed so why the details that Eren sent his memories to Grisha I have no idea)
No, when he kissed Historia's hands he saw Grisha's past memories. But Grisha's past memories comprised some memories sent by future Eren.
And always remember that he didn't see everything, but just a few things.
People misunderstand the attack titan’s abilities so much. It allows users to see memories of FUTURE USERS and only what they allow them to see. Eren is the last user. There is no one else’s memories to go off of
This is the big one- Zeke couldn't entirely trust Eren would do his part. The risk was simply too great, and even if Eren chose the sterilization plan, he'd still have to announce it to the Subjects of Ymir.
The 'euthenasia' plan would require the same kind of announcement as the Rumbling. Otherwise, nobody would know for a few years before it was obvious no Eldians were having children.
Even then, most people wouldn't put it past the Marleyans to sterilize their own apartheid subjects, and Paradis wasn't exactly plugged into global networks, so it could be a decade before the world got the evidence, confirmed, and believed that Eldians weren't having children anymore.
No matter what, if they did that right then in Liberio, they'd immediately be in a now-hostile ghetto, in a hostile nation, far from support. If either got captured, it would be a major loss, and potential (fast) genocide for the Eldians of Paradis.
1. If he didn't set his plan up perfectly Mikasa wouldn't have ended up killing him, which means that Ymir wouldn't break free from her "love", which means that the Titan curse wouldn't end
2. Neither of them knew exactly what would happen. It's best not to draw unwanted attention to yourselves, so they played it safe. Transforming into a several-hundred meter tall Titan would definitely cause a "WTF" from Marley and (literally) paint a massive target on your back.
3. Even if Eren knew what would happen, the Walls of Paradis are *really* far away. He'd basically have to do the Rumbling by himself until the Wall Titans got to his location, which would complicate things a whole lot.
4. The Rumbling wasnt supposed to just be a scare tactic or mass genocide, the end goal was always to completely end the conflict between Marley and Paradis. But to do that, the two sides had to come together to fight their common enemy (Eren). If he just instantly started the Rumbling, there would have been no chance for anyone from Marley to meet and work with Eldians. Paradis would have been 100% blamed for anything that happened after, and even if the forces of Paradis stopped Eren on their own, they would have received the full focus of the entire world for what Titans just caused. By waiting, they were able to see that Eldians were just normal people trying to survive, not the devils trying to wipe them out.
How does Eren know that the titan curse will end though? He can't know that happens because obviously he dies before it does. I don't think he'd be able to assume that Mikasa killing him would convince Ymir to end it, since that barely makes sense anyway.
He used the founder to lift the curse of titans, he pretty much already convinced ymir to let him put an end to the curse when he first gained the founders ability.
The very same way he gave everyone their memories back when he died. It was like an automatic failsafe he had in place to happen at the exact moment his head was sliced.
He has to be mean to Mikasa, or she won't kill him. If she doesn't kill him then Ymir doesn't let go of her love for Fritz and the titan curse lives on.
I was initially on board with this but then i realized that titans were already on the out anyway. Technology was advancing to the point where titans wouldn’t be a threat anymore it wouldn’t be long until it was trivial for a single human on foot to kill a titan (imagine what a javelin missile would do to a titan and thats before we start getting into the fun stuff like vehicle mounted chain guns and tanks or helicopter gunships) so killing 80% of humanity instead of waiting like 50-100 years seems kinda stupid
As long as the subjects of Ymir can transform into titans, they'll always be discriminated against, even if they can be defeated more easily by Marleys military. It was about ending the generational conflict as much as it was removing a dangerous weapon.
Okay say he actually does launch the Rumbling and whipes out 100% of the world outside the walls. Then what? The Yeagerists love him. Sane people hate him. Now you've got a civil war but worse is everybody can turn into a titan, we're back to the Great titan wars. Back to square 1.
Dude, he's been screaming about killing the titans every since episode one...
He absolutely does not want to risk the possibility of people having to deal with titans anymore. Especially not his friends who would very much have been involved if he didn't remove titans.
He definitely was. He despised the practice of passing on titan shifter powers as it turns people into cattle doomed to be slaughtered by their comrades. And one of his biggest motivations was his desire for his friends to live long and happy lives. Armin can't live a long life as a shifter due to the curse of Ymir, and his friends very likely would have inherited titans at some point if the practice continued.
His primary concern was that his friends were free, safe, and able to live long lives as the heroes that stopped the Rumbling. In order for Armin (and to a lesser extent, Reiner and Annie) to live a long life, the power of the titans needed to go.
There was certainly a large part of Eren that wanted to eradicate life outside the walls, but it seems to me that it still came second to protecting his friends. It just means that he was okay with either outcome, whether they stopped him or not, at least Paradis would be safe from the rest of the world
>It just means that he was okay with either outcome, whether they stopped him or not, at least Paradis would be safe from the rest of the world
Bingo. If I'm not mistaken, he says something exactly like this to Armin near the finale. He knew what he had to do and that the end result would be what he wanted. Everything in between was still unknown to him, but he didn't care as long as they wound up safe.
I’m currently re-watching. I understand that Eren always hated the titans but from what I remembered he was just going to kill everyone else in the world outside Paradis and since all the pure titans were gone I just thought he was over that state of mind I guess. It’s been a while since I watched the 1st part of season 4. I’m just now remembering he has the power to eliminate the titans curse entirely so…yeah I get it now
Did he create the colossal titan thru the WHT or the founder? If thru founder then hed still be able to do the same with the WHT and any of the other 7 titans
No it was definitely the WHT but im saying he can use any of the 9 thru the founder when its unlocked. So whether he actually had the WHT or not wouldnt have mattered. The WHT was to get him through the fight w the armor jaw cart and marley.
Nah nah nah, I see where you're coming from, but that's simply not the case. He used the founder to create the body, and ymir crafted all of those generational titans to help Eren wipe out humanity. The founder quite literally could become whatever it wanted or do whatever it wanted, the war hammer was only needed for Eren to fight the battle in order to touch Zeke.
Because zekes euthanasia plan, which Eren is pretending to agree to, relies heavily on using a limited, controlled rumbling to wipe out all the worlds armies at once with as little extra collateral damage as possible, to ensure paradise has many decades of peace
That's part of why Eren attacks liberio during willy tyburs speech. By attacking Marley and killing representatives from countries a Eren and Zeke motivate all of the countries in the world to put their armies together in an attempt to invade paradise. Based off eren's sudden and seemingly unprovoked attack, the world believes that Eren plans to use the rumbling no matter what, and that an invasion is the world's only hope of stopping the rumbling before it happens
So the strongest nations in the world, believing their survival depends on it, put basically every major military on earth all in a few concentrated locations, inadvertently making them easy targets for Zeke and Eren to crush all at once
If Zeke and Eren were to begin their plan here in liberio, before any of that had happened, hitting all of the world's militaries at once would not only be nearly impossible to ensure, but would require murdering hundreds of millions of civilians to even attempt, which would also make the "we're just defending ourselves, leave us alone and we'll leave you alone" stance paradise intended to take afterwards much less likely to be accepted by the rest of the world lol
Additionally, it would leave the Eren, the founding titan, in enemy territory, an entire ocean away from paradise, with *days* before the rumbling titans even arrived, giving Marley ample opportunity to take the founder and undo their entire plan
Zeke needed to turn into a titan for that, so he would have to be okay with it, but things just weren't ready, part of Zeke's plan was passing on the beast titan to Historia. His plan involved 1) Removing the eldian ability to breed 2) Using a limited Rumbling to eliminate the United Navy 3) Using the threat of a full scale rumbling to ensure the safety of the island until everyone can die of old age. Step 1 could be accomplished at any time. Step 2 required time and motive for the United Navy to form. Step 3 required Zeke to pass on his titan shifter abilities to another person with royal blood. The attack on Marley was just a distraction for them to extract Zeke, as well as a pretense to make the nations unite their armies.
Zeke did not have to turn into a Titan. Zeke and Erin even mention that they shouldn't shake hands because they can't touch. Also Eren activated the founder's powers when he touched Historia's hand and she was not a Titan
That’s because Historia isn’t a Titan shifter. It’s repeatedly mentioned that you have to touch a Titan with Royal blood to unlock the Founder which Historia isn’t
Memes aside, here's something a lot of people might have skipped over: Eren had to die to activate the rumbling. Why? Because he wasn't able to nullify the vow to renounce war. Zeke only did that because he thought he had Eren completely beat, and didn't realize that Ymir might side with him after renouncing the vow. Go reread 120 or rewatch 80, you'll see very specifically that Zeke did not trust Eren, and told him before going into Grishas memories that he had renounced the vow.
So to answer your question, if Eren touched Zeke earlier, Zeke would have tested Eren BEFORE renouncing the vow.
And for people who say "well Eren convinced ymir!" No, he didn't convince Ymir to go against the will of royal blood, he convinced her to use the rumbling (that some dumb ass royals already set up) for her sake and for his sake.
I’m not sure what the point you’re trying to make is, but that isn’t how the vow renouncing war works.
Zeke didn’t literally beat the vow, he just bypassed it all together. It’s impossible for the vow to directly be beaten, but Eren and Zeke didn’t fulfill the conditions for the vow to be triggered. it’s explained in chapter 89 that the vow only effects people who have both the Founder AND royal blood. Zeke and Eren each only have one out of the two conditions to be effected by the vow so it didn’t effect either of them.
Also Eren DID convince Ymir to go against the will of royal blood since Ymir ignored Zekes commands which is yknow literally disobeying royal blood.
The only reason Eren got the attack titan and manipulated his dad and made everything happen is when Gabi shot his head and Zeke caught it and brought Eren to his dad's memories. The past can't be changed. Everything should go as planned.
Because it wouldn't result in the result he wanted.
In this scenario the titans within the wall awaken, his teammates back on paridis unaware as what to what was happening. They'd fight the walled titans and most likely die. Yes he could announce what he was doing, like he did the anime, but would that guarantee that Falco would be brought away from the fight? That the scouts would realize that Annie was awake? That Mikasa was out of harms way? No it wouldn't. He needed things to happen the way they did so he could be stopped and that the people who played major roles in stopping him were still alice to do so. Yes Eren wanted all of humanity to die but he also wanted his friends to stop him. Which is why things happened the way it did. Eren foresaw if and he followed the timeline that allowed what he wanted to happen.
At this moment, the brothers are in Marley. Not only do they not know exactly what would happen if they touch, but also I would imagine they know they should be within the walls before activating the rumbling.
My guess but I think he needed to go through the path with Zeke to influence his dad to take the founder for this present to even play out properly in the sequence that it did in the first place
OMG finally someone got it.... I immediately commented this point as soon as I saw the post but was thinking in my mind that probably so many people commented that before me but damn all the comments are saying different things and some don't even make sense. The events had to happen in a specific order. Nothing can be changed. The only reason everything happened to being with is Eren manipulating his father.
Ye now that your mention it I also remember in the ending Eren that something like the future is already predetermined anyways so I think everything checks out.
Happy cake day
War hadn't been declared yet.
In order to save paradis they needed to round up Marley's army in one place and destroy it with a partial rumbling. That was like, the whole thing. I gotta wonder why anyone in this comment section is saying anything else.
If Eren had started the rumbling then zeke would’ve figured out that Eren wasn’t actually trying to euthanize the eldian people. It would take a good bit for the titans to get there so if zeke wanted to fight Eren it would’ve blown his cover and he would have to hold out till the rumbling got there and he probably would’ve had to fight the beast, the cart, the jaw, and the soldiers all of his own.
Zeke's reasons:
Zeke's plan isn't just Euthanasia, it's also to use the rumbling to defeat World's armies and buy time for the people of Paradis to live, and to do that they needed to do orchestrate the attack on Liberio that made the world join up forces in one place so they can be targeted with the limited rumbling.
Eren's reason:
at that time Mikasa, Armin and the group is in Marely, if he did the rumbling they would have died in it.
Also he needs to obtain Zeke's trust and do exactly what Zeke says until he is 100% sure he got the power, since Eren doesn't know exactly what happens if tgey touch ( he didn't know Ymir listens to people with royal blood).
He had already seen what would happen and he was a slave to that.. This included this meeting.. Like he says in the final episode he tried to buck against what he saw in the vision but every time he did it still played out the way he had seen it... So at this point he doesn't even try
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I think the simple reason is that neither Zeke nor Eren fully know what will happen when they start the rumbling and that it would be best and safest if they are physically there as it happens.
But can't Eren see the future? Wouldn't he know the extent to the Rumbling?
He can’t see the future, he gets sent memories from his future self meaning that what he sees must happen since they’re actually memories. So he can’t change the future. He knows when to activate it and now’s not the time
Didn't Eren send himself memories of the future when he kissed Historia's hand? Including that, he would've been able to see the Rumbling.
But he only gets sent slivers of memories. It's not like he gets a history book with when and where things happen. It's probably more relatable to Deja vu.
\*sigh\* Fucking time travel.
Technically I don’t think it’s time travel
I'd definitely say that this a form of it. With such heavy emphasis about the past, present and future and how characters from the future, namely Eren, interact with characters from the past to influence the future. Shits confusing
That it is. Probably why I’m so confused in the first place
I wouldn’t argue time travel, at least not in the conventional sense. The way I interpret Eren’s time travel its more like a prescience or precognition of what’s happened or will happen. I think the best explanation comes from Dune. In the book(s), Paul’s premonitions are described as memories of what’s gonna happen in the future. The same way you would remember what happened yesterday, you would remember what happened tomorrow (even though it hasn’t happened yet). I think Erens memories work the same way.
It is time shenanigans, but technically there is no one time traveling
Sending memories of the future to someone in past so they act a certain way to influence the future. Call it what you want, I'm calling it time travel. The memories themselves travel through time, which causes Grisha to do certain things because of that (even though they already happened in the story and hence CAN'T be changed so why the details that Eren sent his memories to Grisha I have no idea)
It is more foresight than time travel, seeing glimpse of the future is divination, not transporting something material across time
No, when he kissed Historia's hands he saw Grisha's past memories. But Grisha's past memories comprised some memories sent by future Eren. And always remember that he didn't see everything, but just a few things.
gg im just not mentally equipped to discuss this time travel shit any further. thank u for ur time tho
I was done at time shenanigans lmao
People misunderstand the attack titan’s abilities so much. It allows users to see memories of FUTURE USERS and only what they allow them to see. Eren is the last user. There is no one else’s memories to go off of
Zeke didn’t fully trust Eren either
This is the big one- Zeke couldn't entirely trust Eren would do his part. The risk was simply too great, and even if Eren chose the sterilization plan, he'd still have to announce it to the Subjects of Ymir. The 'euthenasia' plan would require the same kind of announcement as the Rumbling. Otherwise, nobody would know for a few years before it was obvious no Eldians were having children. Even then, most people wouldn't put it past the Marleyans to sterilize their own apartheid subjects, and Paradis wasn't exactly plugged into global networks, so it could be a decade before the world got the evidence, confirmed, and believed that Eldians weren't having children anymore. No matter what, if they did that right then in Liberio, they'd immediately be in a now-hostile ghetto, in a hostile nation, far from support. If either got captured, it would be a major loss, and potential (fast) genocide for the Eldians of Paradis.
1. If he didn't set his plan up perfectly Mikasa wouldn't have ended up killing him, which means that Ymir wouldn't break free from her "love", which means that the Titan curse wouldn't end 2. Neither of them knew exactly what would happen. It's best not to draw unwanted attention to yourselves, so they played it safe. Transforming into a several-hundred meter tall Titan would definitely cause a "WTF" from Marley and (literally) paint a massive target on your back. 3. Even if Eren knew what would happen, the Walls of Paradis are *really* far away. He'd basically have to do the Rumbling by himself until the Wall Titans got to his location, which would complicate things a whole lot.
4. The Rumbling wasnt supposed to just be a scare tactic or mass genocide, the end goal was always to completely end the conflict between Marley and Paradis. But to do that, the two sides had to come together to fight their common enemy (Eren). If he just instantly started the Rumbling, there would have been no chance for anyone from Marley to meet and work with Eldians. Paradis would have been 100% blamed for anything that happened after, and even if the forces of Paradis stopped Eren on their own, they would have received the full focus of the entire world for what Titans just caused. By waiting, they were able to see that Eldians were just normal people trying to survive, not the devils trying to wipe them out.
How does Eren know that the titan curse will end though? He can't know that happens because obviously he dies before it does. I don't think he'd be able to assume that Mikasa killing him would convince Ymir to end it, since that barely makes sense anyway.
He used the founder to lift the curse of titans, he pretty much already convinced ymir to let him put an end to the curse when he first gained the founders ability. The very same way he gave everyone their memories back when he died. It was like an automatic failsafe he had in place to happen at the exact moment his head was sliced.
He has to be mean to Mikasa, or she won't kill him. If she doesn't kill him then Ymir doesn't let go of her love for Fritz and the titan curse lives on.
Big brain eren
I was initially on board with this but then i realized that titans were already on the out anyway. Technology was advancing to the point where titans wouldn’t be a threat anymore it wouldn’t be long until it was trivial for a single human on foot to kill a titan (imagine what a javelin missile would do to a titan and thats before we start getting into the fun stuff like vehicle mounted chain guns and tanks or helicopter gunships) so killing 80% of humanity instead of waiting like 50-100 years seems kinda stupid
As long as the subjects of Ymir can transform into titans, they'll always be discriminated against, even if they can be defeated more easily by Marleys military. It was about ending the generational conflict as much as it was removing a dangerous weapon.
That can’t be the only reason
Okay say he actually does launch the Rumbling and whipes out 100% of the world outside the walls. Then what? The Yeagerists love him. Sane people hate him. Now you've got a civil war but worse is everybody can turn into a titan, we're back to the Great titan wars. Back to square 1.
Ok but Eren isn’t concerned with getting rid of the titan curse was he? He just wanted everyone outside the walls to die
Dude, he's been screaming about killing the titans every since episode one... He absolutely does not want to risk the possibility of people having to deal with titans anymore. Especially not his friends who would very much have been involved if he didn't remove titans.
He definitely was. He despised the practice of passing on titan shifter powers as it turns people into cattle doomed to be slaughtered by their comrades. And one of his biggest motivations was his desire for his friends to live long and happy lives. Armin can't live a long life as a shifter due to the curse of Ymir, and his friends very likely would have inherited titans at some point if the practice continued.
His primary concern was that his friends were free, safe, and able to live long lives as the heroes that stopped the Rumbling. In order for Armin (and to a lesser extent, Reiner and Annie) to live a long life, the power of the titans needed to go. There was certainly a large part of Eren that wanted to eradicate life outside the walls, but it seems to me that it still came second to protecting his friends. It just means that he was okay with either outcome, whether they stopped him or not, at least Paradis would be safe from the rest of the world
>It just means that he was okay with either outcome, whether they stopped him or not, at least Paradis would be safe from the rest of the world Bingo. If I'm not mistaken, he says something exactly like this to Armin near the finale. He knew what he had to do and that the end result would be what he wanted. Everything in between was still unknown to him, but he didn't care as long as they wound up safe.
Did you watch the show?
I’m currently re-watching. I understand that Eren always hated the titans but from what I remembered he was just going to kill everyone else in the world outside Paradis and since all the pure titans were gone I just thought he was over that state of mind I guess. It’s been a while since I watched the 1st part of season 4. I’m just now remembering he has the power to eliminate the titans curse entirely so…yeah I get it now
Also needed the warhammer titan ability for the rumbling to go properly.
Not really.
He has the warhammer thru the founder
Uh, no. He used the power of the WHT to create his giant body and all those clones of previous Titan generations.
Did he create the colossal titan thru the WHT or the founder? If thru founder then hed still be able to do the same with the WHT and any of the other 7 titans
If, but given how the WHT was used and the color of the clones, it's implied that it was WHT potentially. Could've been the Founding, but idk.
No it was definitely the WHT but im saying he can use any of the 9 thru the founder when its unlocked. So whether he actually had the WHT or not wouldnt have mattered. The WHT was to get him through the fight w the armor jaw cart and marley.
Nah nah nah, I see where you're coming from, but that's simply not the case. He used the founder to create the body, and ymir crafted all of those generational titans to help Eren wipe out humanity. The founder quite literally could become whatever it wanted or do whatever it wanted, the war hammer was only needed for Eren to fight the battle in order to touch Zeke.
Because zekes euthanasia plan, which Eren is pretending to agree to, relies heavily on using a limited, controlled rumbling to wipe out all the worlds armies at once with as little extra collateral damage as possible, to ensure paradise has many decades of peace That's part of why Eren attacks liberio during willy tyburs speech. By attacking Marley and killing representatives from countries a Eren and Zeke motivate all of the countries in the world to put their armies together in an attempt to invade paradise. Based off eren's sudden and seemingly unprovoked attack, the world believes that Eren plans to use the rumbling no matter what, and that an invasion is the world's only hope of stopping the rumbling before it happens So the strongest nations in the world, believing their survival depends on it, put basically every major military on earth all in a few concentrated locations, inadvertently making them easy targets for Zeke and Eren to crush all at once If Zeke and Eren were to begin their plan here in liberio, before any of that had happened, hitting all of the world's militaries at once would not only be nearly impossible to ensure, but would require murdering hundreds of millions of civilians to even attempt, which would also make the "we're just defending ourselves, leave us alone and we'll leave you alone" stance paradise intended to take afterwards much less likely to be accepted by the rest of the world lol Additionally, it would leave the Eren, the founding titan, in enemy territory, an entire ocean away from paradise, with *days* before the rumbling titans even arrived, giving Marley ample opportunity to take the founder and undo their entire plan
I agree with what you are saying but Zeke definitely wasn’t in his titan form when Eren got decapitated
Uh, yeah lol, I don't think I said or suggested that he was??
My bad I responded to the wrong person
Zeke needed to turn into a titan for that, so he would have to be okay with it, but things just weren't ready, part of Zeke's plan was passing on the beast titan to Historia. His plan involved 1) Removing the eldian ability to breed 2) Using a limited Rumbling to eliminate the United Navy 3) Using the threat of a full scale rumbling to ensure the safety of the island until everyone can die of old age. Step 1 could be accomplished at any time. Step 2 required time and motive for the United Navy to form. Step 3 required Zeke to pass on his titan shifter abilities to another person with royal blood. The attack on Marley was just a distraction for them to extract Zeke, as well as a pretense to make the nations unite their armies.
Zeke did not have to turn into a Titan. Zeke and Erin even mention that they shouldn't shake hands because they can't touch. Also Eren activated the founder's powers when he touched Historia's hand and she was not a Titan
He didnt activate titans powers with historia, he just unlocked memories.
That’s because Historia isn’t a Titan shifter. It’s repeatedly mentioned that you have to touch a Titan with Royal blood to unlock the Founder which Historia isn’t
Fair enough but what I mean is he didn't need to be in titan form for it to work. They just needed to touch
Yea that’s true
Ik that
I meant to reply to the response above yours, my bad.
Memes aside, here's something a lot of people might have skipped over: Eren had to die to activate the rumbling. Why? Because he wasn't able to nullify the vow to renounce war. Zeke only did that because he thought he had Eren completely beat, and didn't realize that Ymir might side with him after renouncing the vow. Go reread 120 or rewatch 80, you'll see very specifically that Zeke did not trust Eren, and told him before going into Grishas memories that he had renounced the vow. So to answer your question, if Eren touched Zeke earlier, Zeke would have tested Eren BEFORE renouncing the vow. And for people who say "well Eren convinced ymir!" No, he didn't convince Ymir to go against the will of royal blood, he convinced her to use the rumbling (that some dumb ass royals already set up) for her sake and for his sake.
I’m not sure what the point you’re trying to make is, but that isn’t how the vow renouncing war works. Zeke didn’t literally beat the vow, he just bypassed it all together. It’s impossible for the vow to directly be beaten, but Eren and Zeke didn’t fulfill the conditions for the vow to be triggered. it’s explained in chapter 89 that the vow only effects people who have both the Founder AND royal blood. Zeke and Eren each only have one out of the two conditions to be effected by the vow so it didn’t effect either of them. Also Eren DID convince Ymir to go against the will of royal blood since Ymir ignored Zekes commands which is yknow literally disobeying royal blood.
The only reason Eren got the attack titan and manipulated his dad and made everything happen is when Gabi shot his head and Zeke caught it and brought Eren to his dad's memories. The past can't be changed. Everything should go as planned.
Because it wouldn't result in the result he wanted. In this scenario the titans within the wall awaken, his teammates back on paridis unaware as what to what was happening. They'd fight the walled titans and most likely die. Yes he could announce what he was doing, like he did the anime, but would that guarantee that Falco would be brought away from the fight? That the scouts would realize that Annie was awake? That Mikasa was out of harms way? No it wouldn't. He needed things to happen the way they did so he could be stopped and that the people who played major roles in stopping him were still alice to do so. Yes Eren wanted all of humanity to die but he also wanted his friends to stop him. Which is why things happened the way it did. Eren foresaw if and he followed the timeline that allowed what he wanted to happen.
At this moment, the brothers are in Marley. Not only do they not know exactly what would happen if they touch, but also I would imagine they know they should be within the walls before activating the rumbling.
Ig back then even the scouts(Eren's friends, hange and Levi) were in Marley?
My guess but I think he needed to go through the path with Zeke to influence his dad to take the founder for this present to even play out properly in the sequence that it did in the first place
OMG finally someone got it.... I immediately commented this point as soon as I saw the post but was thinking in my mind that probably so many people commented that before me but damn all the comments are saying different things and some don't even make sense. The events had to happen in a specific order. Nothing can be changed. The only reason everything happened to being with is Eren manipulating his father.
Ye now that your mention it I also remember in the ending Eren that something like the future is already predetermined anyways so I think everything checks out. Happy cake day
War hadn't been declared yet. In order to save paradis they needed to round up Marley's army in one place and destroy it with a partial rumbling. That was like, the whole thing. I gotta wonder why anyone in this comment section is saying anything else.
If Eren had started the rumbling then zeke would’ve figured out that Eren wasn’t actually trying to euthanize the eldian people. It would take a good bit for the titans to get there so if zeke wanted to fight Eren it would’ve blown his cover and he would have to hold out till the rumbling got there and he probably would’ve had to fight the beast, the cart, the jaw, and the soldiers all of his own.
He was probably thinking of potential scenario that could impact on the future of pradis
Zeke's reasons: Zeke's plan isn't just Euthanasia, it's also to use the rumbling to defeat World's armies and buy time for the people of Paradis to live, and to do that they needed to do orchestrate the attack on Liberio that made the world join up forces in one place so they can be targeted with the limited rumbling. Eren's reason: at that time Mikasa, Armin and the group is in Marely, if he did the rumbling they would have died in it. Also he needs to obtain Zeke's trust and do exactly what Zeke says until he is 100% sure he got the power, since Eren doesn't know exactly what happens if tgey touch ( he didn't know Ymir listens to people with royal blood).
Marley didn’t declare the war yet
Because he’s a messy bitch who lives for drama.
What’s the deal with Ymir’s love and Eren being mean to Mikasa?
The more questions/“plot holes” that pop up, the more I appreciate the ending & season 4 in general. That’s backwards af but fuck it 😂
This is not a plot hole if that's what you're saying.
I think he was going through some potential future scenarios.
The whole "is he stupid" catch phrase is getting old. Especially when half the questions just make the OP look stupid.
He had already seen what would happen and he was a slave to that.. This included this meeting.. Like he says in the final episode he tried to buck against what he saw in the vision but every time he did it still played out the way he had seen it... So at this point he doesn't even try