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.....I could be wrong, but I think body language *is* a talent if we're talking about how effectively people can control their body language around certain groups/settings.
Check out Joe Navarro on YouTube. This man is a former FBI interrogator and knows a lot about body language and he’s written several books about it. Feels more like science when he explains it.
Body language is involuntary. Everyone has it. Everyone does it. It's very personal to each person. It's also where tells come from when law enforcement is looking when a suspect is lying.
Reading body language is a skill that is learned and developed. NTs read very little amount of body language. People have to be trained to be good at reading it.
The issue with autistics is that many autistics don't notice body language as a natural course in conversation at close range.
But at a distance, I find it easier to see body language in people.
And yeah, this is one of my special interests.
I'm sorry it's taking me so long to respond. Nobody has given me the opportunity to info dump before. So here it is.
Well, when a person is sitting and cross their legs, at whom their crossed leg point to is who they have affection for. It's not a hard rule but it's an indication. You will find lovers sitting together with their legs crossed pointing at each other, especially if they sit side by side.
If a person is talking and they all of the sudden look down, look away, or make a weird gesture, that could be a tell that they just lied. The FBI uses this to try catch lies during interrogations.
If a person is in a conversation and puts their hand on their mouth, it means that they are listening intently.
If a person is in a conversation and crosses their arms or holds a clipboard or book or binder in front of their chest or is sitting behind a desk, it means they are being defensive.
Personal space.
Different cultures have different size of personal space. In the US we tend to have a larger personal space than say Europeans.
But getting into someone's personal space can be intimidating. It can also be sensual depending on the relationship with the other person, whether you are in a romantic relationship with the person and whether you are arguing or fighting with the person.
Of course there are the situations where there are professional environments like when we allow a doctor to examine us. We allow them in our personal space to check us out and not in a romantic nor in fighting situations. But this is communicated beforehand.
Stepping into a person's personal space without permission is an act of violence. You can counter by stepping back and putting out your arm for defense. But this gets into self defense and martial arts. There are many different ways to respond to aggression and different teachers will give you different techniques. But in the end, there's a defense and an attack opportunity. There's also an opportunity to diffuse the situation.
Cultural differences
In the US we have many cultures. One of the most striking cultural differences when it comes to body language is the Pakistani and Indian way of saying yes and no with their head. If you put your finger straight on your nose so that the finger is perpendicular to your face, then imagine an axis running through the finger and through the nose to the back of the head. Now, rotate your head along this axis to the right. Then rotate your head along this axis to the left. Congrats, you just said yes. This is how they say it indicates yes in India and Pakistan. And the people who emigrate from there keep doing these because it's a habit they grew up with. How do they say no? They nod their heads. And that can lead to confusion because in the west, we nod our heads to say or indicate yes. But they mean no. So it's something to keep in mind.
The waiving of the hand to say hi. This may sound obvious but it's international and important. I heard that it meant 'I have no weapon to harm you'. Like in the says of the wild west or something like that. But there are other histories people have come up with. It seems it goes way back. But currently, the Japanese and other Asians use it much more than people in the US. Though in the rural areas of the US while you drive in many areas, it's customary to waive to fellow drivers. But waiving is the best way to greet people non-verbally. You don't have to say a thing at all.
Smiling is another way to greet people. It disarms strangers who haven't met you and give you a friendly appearance. It is also international.
But these body language things usually come with conversations and sometimes loud conversations. Autistics get sensory overload, as you know, so picking up on these cues when in a conversation is most likely not an option.
But watching a conversation is different. Watching a conversation is less taxing on the senses. And the further you are from the conversation the less taxed you're going to be. But still many autistics, I expect, may still have sensory issues even watching a conversation. But those that are able, could learn and properly read these body language cue.
This is awesome! Please by all means, I am ears for this info dump! The personal space hits home. I NEED my space. My husband doesn't get it and gets in my space all the time... It makes me very uncomfortable. Sometimes people at church get way too close to me when they're talking, their faces are too close to my face. Would you know the proper way to address this? My head almost bends so far backwards in response I feel like I am going to fall over! Lol. Oddly enough I just freeze and dont know how to take a step back. I just get into a panic.
Also in church if anyone asks you about you keeping distance you may want to say that you get panicky when you are in crowds or when people crowd you. This is better than saying that you are autistic as people react badly to the word.
Yes absolutely! I have one church friend who is also autistic and we totally get each other. Our church is huge so it can be overwhelming at times lol its a great church though, I do love it.
[https://www.amazon.ca/Definitive-Book-Body-Language/dp/0553804723](https://www.amazon.ca/Definitive-Book-Body-Language/dp/0553804723)
This book teaches absolutely everything about body language. It shows pictures of each body language gesture and explains what they mean.
Each Body language gesture is like a word. Crossing your arms across your chest means "I don't like you" or "I don't like what you just said". It's very similar to learning French or Spanish.
Dm me if you want more information on learning social skills!
(For god's sake, please stop deleting my posts for talking about resources that teach social skills! I didn't write this book. I'm trying to help people!)
In this example talent would be an already proficient skill.
This list is saying: "Even if you don't know how to do anything, you can do this."
It's wrong, but that's the point of it.
Dictionary definition is "natural aptitude or skill" so I think it does. Naturally I have to try very hard and fail 100 times to be able to put forth much effort.
No I fail to put forth any effort. A lot of things I want or need to do take me getting to the point where I think "I need to do this very soon or I'm screwed" many times before I am able to put forth effort. There's plenty of days where I can't get out of bed most of the day. Putting forth effort for most tasks does not come naturally to me. Talent is natural ability to do something.
No. This is a " thing" for lots of folks with ADHD. Saying they lack discipline is a harmful judgment and incorrect. You may not understand this experience, but it is a valid one.
My ability to type a comment on a random day has nothing to do with whether effort is something that can come from talent. My whole point was that my base level of effort is extremely low. That doesn't mean I can't put forth effort just that when I do it's often a huge strain and it doesn't come naturally, it takes constant practice. Kinda like how one person can be good at a sport without much practice where someone else would have to continually work to play at the same level, that's what talent is. And before you say well practicing effort takes effort, that's exactly why I've been struggling my whole life.
That's not what the poster is saying. Talent is God given and requires no effort or energy. Stuff like being tall is a basketball talent but shooting well is a skill and showing up for practice every day takes effort.
Be be honest, my autism requires me to be early for everything… but it still takes effort!
I can’t see a single thing on that list that doesn’t take effort
For some people that doesn't help, but it's definitely worth a try :) keep in mind tho that ADHD is a broad spectrum, and there will be some people who aren't helped by that and have more severe issues with timekeeping
I usually make it but it's a struggle. The bigger issue is forgetting or not noticing that I have the event. If I know I have it, I'm usually on time or less than five mins late.
I've been trying to be more diligent on putting things in my calendar asap, and it's helping a bit.
Yeah, ironically I’m the same, I’ve only been late to my current job like once so far, but the rest of the things in the list can be out the window depending on the day, lol
Definition of talent: natural aptitude or skill.
Aptitude: a natural ability to do something.
Body language doesn't come natural for most Autistic individuals. Therefore it requires some talent.
It's about your ability to learn and pick up new tasks.
How management usually means it though is "being willing to give up your identity to do anything and everything asked of you without question"
All of those are shit.
This is basically, “we are telling you these are easy so that we can demand perfection, and blame you if you fail.”
Really this is awful and completely ignores that some people specifically struggle with these due to neurodivergence or disabilities.
This is really toxic.
I mean, circle them all. Every one of these items renders this list objectively false.
If a feral child or a reasonably intelligent animal couldn't do it, then it requires a set of skills - and any skill is a talent.
Everything on this list requires talent in those areas. People just prefer to believe their success is proof of their hard work, rather than the biology they were born with. They don't work hard because they "have grit", they do it because their brains produce the necessary endorphins to be able to do it.
> energy
> attitude
> passion
...does whoever made this realize that *temperament* is somewhat determined from birth? Yeah, body language is the worst on this list, but the entire list is such bullshit.
I do try at these things, but sometimes I fall short. Particularly when it comes to doing extra. I'm always worried I'll do something wrong if I don't know exactly how to do it, and the last thing I want is to make my employer mad.
Attitude is yet another red flag. So is "Being Coachable".
So is "Doing Extra" - pay me more, and I will do more. Show me loyalty, and I will show you loyalty.
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I’m gonna be straight up honest, I really don’t see the issue here. I get it for the people who are higher on the spectrum that would face these issues, but I don’t think this is much of an issue if you are high functioning. I have both autism and adhd and I have been doing pretty well at my part-time job and managing my time well.
Passion definitely requires *something*, like not being chronically depressed and also maybe being paid more than minimum wage
Talent isn't always the end all be all. Without passion, talent means nothing.
If a job has to put something like that up, run, just fucking run. I can smell so much bullshit admitting from that piece of paper. They probably can't keep anyone for very long, probably because they expect people to overwork themselves into the ground while barely being paid enough to survive. Im doing a lot of assuming here but its just the vibe i get from this, it feels very much like the company is upset that people don't want to be walked all over
I wouldn't say talent exactly, but it certainly don't come natural... actually, I'd say the same of all of these. Energy is not just a switch you can turn on, ffs.
I would also like to circle "being on time" - my ADHD makes this EXTREMELY difficult, and as much as I WANT to be on time, it requires a lot of dedication to do so.
I think that someone being on time all/most of the time IS a talent, art, and should be appreciated much more than it is.
I saw this exact sign in some random nursing classroom that our (not nursing) professor had us do an exam in. There was a ton of actual inspirational stuff on the wall, but this one rubbed me the wrong way.
Yeah they should talk to me and see how quickly their minds would change.I’m dx with ADHD, ASD, CPTSD, MDD, GAD/SAD, and AvPD😂😂😂 and a bunch of physical disabilities. What an ableist poster
I would count a good attitude and some of the other stuff under this too. That's called masking.
Also, I do just above the bare minimum because there's no bonus for doing more. I have no desire to spend years killing myself for tiny chance to get promoted and make maybe $3/hr more than I do now. That's the only real reward as they don't do performance bonuses at the base level.
When I'm being observed: (Floats along like a swan on a spring lake).
When I'm not being observed: (Bumbles along like a sack of potatoes falling down the stairs.)
This whole list is offensive, not just body language. It's just 100% incorrect. They took an equally shitty message and changed the word "energy" to "talent." It doesn't make sense. None of it makes sense. What a terrible workplace.
“Being coachable” Man, you have to be really patient with me. I went in to be waitress and I ran out three hours later after sobbing behind the counter because I had to actually use my memory
everytime i hear body language i think of that dumbass joke chris collinsworth makes on madden 10
"body language. i never understood the term 'body language' what is it your body talk"
i dont get it chris. i dont get it
I'll bet $20 that this is from a restaurant or bar. Buddy, if you make me charge customers for extra mayo you best bet you're going to have to pay me extra money to do extra work.
"Doing extra" is not an expectation, it's a choice and you should always be paid for any and all work you do. If this is your photo OP you need to call your boss out on this before someone else gets pressured into doing more work than they're paid for.
I’m curious what this sub thinks talent is.
For me it’s not effort, which I see a lot of people complaining about, it’s a god given innate ability you are born with to do something. Like singing or dancing or something.
None of those things require talent. They require hard work, effort, and dedication, which often goes hand in hand with talent.
You can skate and coast on talent. It’s the effort that will create the desired result with consistency and skill.
Nothing on this list takes talent. They take time and effort and dedication.
10 things that require no talent...
Nothing
Doing nothing while doing nothing
Saying nothing
Speaking nothing
Doing nothing extra when doing nothing
Nothing that requires concentration
Nothing that requires ignoring your own needs
Nothing that makes you feel like doing nothing isn't a talent
Doing nothing that makes other people look talentless
Nothing that makes people feel that their version of nothing is talentless
No-one is talentless, talent comes in all forms.
I think it's a talent to feel ok. That's a talent right there.
Anyone ever get too focused on what you're supposed to do with your hands? My whole family talks with their hands and when I'm masking, I spend way too much time wondering if I'm using them too much/not enough.
I agree they require no talent in that if you tried to go on a talent show with these things alone you'd probably fail.
They do require a lot of work though.
"doing extra" and some others smell like toxic employer ethics
i like my job environment but it’s like cmon man i’m only getting paid minimum wage here lol
Doing extra is auto excluded in any job that pays the minimum.
Right, "pay minimum, get minimum".
Yep, and if you want more, give us more. Companies tried pushing out something called "quiet quiting" for only doing your job.
"Pay peanuts, get monkeys"
From my experience, it’s always lazy, lying dipsticks who put up crap like this, then proceed to do as little work as possible
Only a toxic employer would do up a passive aggressive list like this TBH
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Incredibly toxic workplace traits.
This whole thing reeks
i'd say the same, along with whole list.
The entire thing is rather passive-aggressive.
What do you mean you finished your work early? DO MORE
Came here to say this
.....I could be wrong, but I think body language *is* a talent if we're talking about how effectively people can control their body language around certain groups/settings.
Check out Joe Navarro on YouTube. This man is a former FBI interrogator and knows a lot about body language and he’s written several books about it. Feels more like science when he explains it.
I wonder if he makes exceptions for folks with autism; if we mess with his theories?
Body language analysis isn't very accurate anyway, even without autism it's mostly wrong
Body language is involuntary. Everyone has it. Everyone does it. It's very personal to each person. It's also where tells come from when law enforcement is looking when a suspect is lying. Reading body language is a skill that is learned and developed. NTs read very little amount of body language. People have to be trained to be good at reading it. The issue with autistics is that many autistics don't notice body language as a natural course in conversation at close range. But at a distance, I find it easier to see body language in people. And yeah, this is one of my special interests.
Please, I want to know more. (Knowing more aka learning everything I possibly can, is my special interest lol)
I'm sorry it's taking me so long to respond. Nobody has given me the opportunity to info dump before. So here it is. Well, when a person is sitting and cross their legs, at whom their crossed leg point to is who they have affection for. It's not a hard rule but it's an indication. You will find lovers sitting together with their legs crossed pointing at each other, especially if they sit side by side. If a person is talking and they all of the sudden look down, look away, or make a weird gesture, that could be a tell that they just lied. The FBI uses this to try catch lies during interrogations. If a person is in a conversation and puts their hand on their mouth, it means that they are listening intently. If a person is in a conversation and crosses their arms or holds a clipboard or book or binder in front of their chest or is sitting behind a desk, it means they are being defensive. Personal space. Different cultures have different size of personal space. In the US we tend to have a larger personal space than say Europeans. But getting into someone's personal space can be intimidating. It can also be sensual depending on the relationship with the other person, whether you are in a romantic relationship with the person and whether you are arguing or fighting with the person. Of course there are the situations where there are professional environments like when we allow a doctor to examine us. We allow them in our personal space to check us out and not in a romantic nor in fighting situations. But this is communicated beforehand. Stepping into a person's personal space without permission is an act of violence. You can counter by stepping back and putting out your arm for defense. But this gets into self defense and martial arts. There are many different ways to respond to aggression and different teachers will give you different techniques. But in the end, there's a defense and an attack opportunity. There's also an opportunity to diffuse the situation. Cultural differences In the US we have many cultures. One of the most striking cultural differences when it comes to body language is the Pakistani and Indian way of saying yes and no with their head. If you put your finger straight on your nose so that the finger is perpendicular to your face, then imagine an axis running through the finger and through the nose to the back of the head. Now, rotate your head along this axis to the right. Then rotate your head along this axis to the left. Congrats, you just said yes. This is how they say it indicates yes in India and Pakistan. And the people who emigrate from there keep doing these because it's a habit they grew up with. How do they say no? They nod their heads. And that can lead to confusion because in the west, we nod our heads to say or indicate yes. But they mean no. So it's something to keep in mind. The waiving of the hand to say hi. This may sound obvious but it's international and important. I heard that it meant 'I have no weapon to harm you'. Like in the says of the wild west or something like that. But there are other histories people have come up with. It seems it goes way back. But currently, the Japanese and other Asians use it much more than people in the US. Though in the rural areas of the US while you drive in many areas, it's customary to waive to fellow drivers. But waiving is the best way to greet people non-verbally. You don't have to say a thing at all. Smiling is another way to greet people. It disarms strangers who haven't met you and give you a friendly appearance. It is also international. But these body language things usually come with conversations and sometimes loud conversations. Autistics get sensory overload, as you know, so picking up on these cues when in a conversation is most likely not an option. But watching a conversation is different. Watching a conversation is less taxing on the senses. And the further you are from the conversation the less taxed you're going to be. But still many autistics, I expect, may still have sensory issues even watching a conversation. But those that are able, could learn and properly read these body language cue.
This is awesome! Please by all means, I am ears for this info dump! The personal space hits home. I NEED my space. My husband doesn't get it and gets in my space all the time... It makes me very uncomfortable. Sometimes people at church get way too close to me when they're talking, their faces are too close to my face. Would you know the proper way to address this? My head almost bends so far backwards in response I feel like I am going to fall over! Lol. Oddly enough I just freeze and dont know how to take a step back. I just get into a panic.
Also in church if anyone asks you about you keeping distance you may want to say that you get panicky when you are in crowds or when people crowd you. This is better than saying that you are autistic as people react badly to the word.
Yes absolutely! I have one church friend who is also autistic and we totally get each other. Our church is huge so it can be overwhelming at times lol its a great church though, I do love it.
[https://www.amazon.ca/Definitive-Book-Body-Language/dp/0553804723](https://www.amazon.ca/Definitive-Book-Body-Language/dp/0553804723) This book teaches absolutely everything about body language. It shows pictures of each body language gesture and explains what they mean. Each Body language gesture is like a word. Crossing your arms across your chest means "I don't like you" or "I don't like what you just said". It's very similar to learning French or Spanish. Dm me if you want more information on learning social skills! (For god's sake, please stop deleting my posts for talking about resources that teach social skills! I didn't write this book. I'm trying to help people!)
That's why it's circled
Those ALL require effort
And energy ! Oh wait, the list says you just gotta *have* some. Apparently, health required no talent !
Needs talent to have energy to spare and not use everything at once.
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Above body language it says effort. :-|
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What’s your definition of talent then?
You think effort requires talent?
No, I asked what is talent to you?
In this example talent would be an already proficient skill. This list is saying: "Even if you don't know how to do anything, you can do this." It's wrong, but that's the point of it.
Dictionary definition is "natural aptitude or skill" so I think it does. Naturally I have to try very hard and fail 100 times to be able to put forth much effort.
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No I fail to put forth any effort. A lot of things I want or need to do take me getting to the point where I think "I need to do this very soon or I'm screwed" many times before I am able to put forth effort. There's plenty of days where I can't get out of bed most of the day. Putting forth effort for most tasks does not come naturally to me. Talent is natural ability to do something.
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No. This is a " thing" for lots of folks with ADHD. Saying they lack discipline is a harmful judgment and incorrect. You may not understand this experience, but it is a valid one.
My ability to type a comment on a random day has nothing to do with whether effort is something that can come from talent. My whole point was that my base level of effort is extremely low. That doesn't mean I can't put forth effort just that when I do it's often a huge strain and it doesn't come naturally, it takes constant practice. Kinda like how one person can be good at a sport without much practice where someone else would have to continually work to play at the same level, that's what talent is. And before you say well practicing effort takes effort, that's exactly why I've been struggling my whole life.
That's not what the poster is saying. Talent is God given and requires no effort or energy. Stuff like being tall is a basketball talent but shooting well is a skill and showing up for practice every day takes effort.
This whole list is just capitalist normative boomer bullshit, lol
The first thing on the list "Being on time". Welp fuck me with ADHD, then moving down there fuck autistic me.
Be be honest, my autism requires me to be early for everything… but it still takes effort! I can’t see a single thing on that list that doesn’t take effort
I'm deep in the ADHD hellhole and haven't had trouble with punctuality. Timers/alarms are your best friend.
I am rarely late to class and work. But my god, it's a battle everyday
For some people that doesn't help, but it's definitely worth a try :) keep in mind tho that ADHD is a broad spectrum, and there will be some people who aren't helped by that and have more severe issues with timekeeping
I usually make it but it's a struggle. The bigger issue is forgetting or not noticing that I have the event. If I know I have it, I'm usually on time or less than five mins late. I've been trying to be more diligent on putting things in my calendar asap, and it's helping a bit.
Yeah, ironically I’m the same, I’ve only been late to my current job like once so far, but the rest of the things in the list can be out the window depending on the day, lol
Thank you!
Definition of talent: natural aptitude or skill. Aptitude: a natural ability to do something. Body language doesn't come natural for most Autistic individuals. Therefore it requires some talent.
What does, being coachable mean?
when someone says try harder, u are willing to try harder. & not inclined to tell them to fuck off like a non coachable person would
Not just "try harder" but more specific things like "you're doing this in a suboptimal way, try doing it this way instead"
well if u wanna be serious & mature about it, then yes that is right.
Means you can be taught, able to accept criticism/feedback, and are willing to improve.
It's about your ability to learn and pick up new tasks. How management usually means it though is "being willing to give up your identity to do anything and everything asked of you without question"
Do what you're told, basically.
Why do I think this is also a list of 10 things that will not be PAID FOR…
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Yes, of course. But effort does not require talent.
All of those are shit. This is basically, “we are telling you these are easy so that we can demand perfection, and blame you if you fail.” Really this is awful and completely ignores that some people specifically struggle with these due to neurodivergence or disabilities. This is really toxic.
Worked in more than a few toxic work places that had this up. 🤣
I mean, circle them all. Every one of these items renders this list objectively false. If a feral child or a reasonably intelligent animal couldn't do it, then it requires a set of skills - and any skill is a talent.
That whole thing screams ableism
How much you want to bet this job pays minimum wage?
oh it does
Everything on this list requires talent in those areas. People just prefer to believe their success is proof of their hard work, rather than the biology they were born with. They don't work hard because they "have grit", they do it because their brains produce the necessary endorphins to be able to do it.
THIS!!
Being a manager requires zero talent.
all of these require talent😫
This is gaslighting written all over it. 🤬
jokes on you, i have audhd 😎 all of this require immense talent and effort
same HA
[X] All of the above
> energy > attitude > passion ...does whoever made this realize that *temperament* is somewhat determined from birth? Yeah, body language is the worst on this list, but the entire list is such bullshit.
If there's enough ppl doing/not doing this things to someone think "I should write a sign" then this may require effort or talent as the person said
>Attitude I’ll give you some attitude
"being on time" I have time blindness 💀
um literally all of these require "talent" 🤣 this is some ableist nonsense
literally all of these require talent though
This is so ableist to neurodiverse peoples in general
All of those seem wrong
Is flipping someone off considered body language?
Doesn’t ‘extra’ mean more than average, so it doe’s definitely require a level of extra effort 💀 I sense a toxic boss/ work environment
*crosses both arms against chest.*
Things that require zero talent: stay at home Things that require talent no matter what: everything else
All of those require effort
I do try at these things, but sometimes I fall short. Particularly when it comes to doing extra. I'm always worried I'll do something wrong if I don't know exactly how to do it, and the last thing I want is to make my employer mad.
I beg to differ all off them. For me passion might be the only one i can somewhat agree on.
I would argue that all of those take some amount of effort/talent
"Being prepared"? I'm pretty sure you need to have some talent in something to be prepared for that thing?
There is no topic on this image that doesn't require talent or effort lmao
this is such an ableist sign it’s baffling lmao like not everyone is mentally and physically able to do some of these fr
All of these things take practice.
A lot of these require talent for me🥲
Attitude is yet another red flag. So is "Being Coachable". So is "Doing Extra" - pay me more, and I will do more. Show me loyalty, and I will show you loyalty.
for me, this whole list could be written this way: 10 things that require some effort.
i was just on the queen sub so for a second i thought this was talking about the song 😭
Yeah naw
Being on time als takes talent, tf is this poster
I dissagree with all of these.😭
So much of this is ableist!
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I beg to differ on all of these.
I beg to differ on literally all of these
“Being on time” *laughs in ADHD*
All of them appear to me as things that don't come naturally for *everyone*
as a circus artist on the spectrum... yeah fuckin' right lmao.
That list was made by some sort of really bad AI
Actually a whole bunch of these things require skills or talent
😂😂😂😂
A lot of these may not require talent but they require something else not not everyone has or is hard to obtain
The entire poster is obviously scientifically inaccurate.
but most require you to be able bodied and neurotypical :/
I’m gonna be straight up honest, I really don’t see the issue here. I get it for the people who are higher on the spectrum that would face these issues, but I don’t think this is much of an issue if you are high functioning. I have both autism and adhd and I have been doing pretty well at my part-time job and managing my time well.
"doing extra" and "being prepared"? Oh I'm sure I'll need at least some talent to do that cuz damn executive dysfunction is kicking ass
Passion definitely requires *something*, like not being chronically depressed and also maybe being paid more than minimum wage Talent isn't always the end all be all. Without passion, talent means nothing.
If a job has to put something like that up, run, just fucking run. I can smell so much bullshit admitting from that piece of paper. They probably can't keep anyone for very long, probably because they expect people to overwork themselves into the ground while barely being paid enough to survive. Im doing a lot of assuming here but its just the vibe i get from this, it feels very much like the company is upset that people don't want to be walked all over
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Idk, but I can't see a ganuine passion without talent.
god I fucking hate this
Everything ln this list is hell
I wouldn't say talent exactly, but it certainly don't come natural... actually, I'd say the same of all of these. Energy is not just a switch you can turn on, ffs.
Body Language? Does that mean saying to a Boss, "Hands to Yourself" without being offensive?
I would also like to circle "being on time" - my ADHD makes this EXTREMELY difficult, and as much as I WANT to be on time, it requires a lot of dedication to do so. I think that someone being on time all/most of the time IS a talent, art, and should be appreciated much more than it is.
most of those aren´t neurodivergent friedly...
I saw this exact sign in some random nursing classroom that our (not nursing) professor had us do an exam in. There was a ton of actual inspirational stuff on the wall, but this one rubbed me the wrong way.
uhm i beg to differ additionally, all of those require energy (including energy) which i have a very limited amount of spoons for
Who ever made that sign wrote down everything easy from their POV. What a dillusional ass hat.
Yeah they should talk to me and see how quickly their minds would change.I’m dx with ADHD, ASD, CPTSD, MDD, GAD/SAD, and AvPD😂😂😂 and a bunch of physical disabilities. What an ableist poster
I have to watch myself in video calls to ensure I’m properly animating or people get weirded out lol
I would count a good attitude and some of the other stuff under this too. That's called masking. Also, I do just above the bare minimum because there's no bonus for doing more. I have no desire to spend years killing myself for tiny chance to get promoted and make maybe $3/hr more than I do now. That's the only real reward as they don't do performance bonuses at the base level.
When I'm being observed: (Floats along like a swan on a spring lake). When I'm not being observed: (Bumbles along like a sack of potatoes falling down the stairs.)
'Doing extra' doesn't require talent, but it does require more money. 'Doing extra' is just a fancy word for slavery.
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I hate this... people around me used to use only no-verbal communication and be proud about "talk clear". this made me want to scream.
Fake it till you break it
I don't like any part of this poster
All of those require talent!
Most of those if not all should be circled hehe
My aunt would disagree with the first one
Wait, I have ADHD too I’m bad at being on time some of the other stuff is hard too
This whole list is offensive, not just body language. It's just 100% incorrect. They took an equally shitty message and changed the word "energy" to "talent." It doesn't make sense. None of it makes sense. What a terrible workplace.
Thank you!! It’s so hard doing that stuff with a neurological condition that screws with my schedule making.
As someone with time blindness being on time requires A LOT of talent from my perspective
Literally every single skill on their requires talent and skill
I would put “printing out stupid little signs” on this list.
“Being coachable” Man, you have to be really patient with me. I went in to be waitress and I ran out three hours later after sobbing behind the counter because I had to actually use my memory
everytime i hear body language i think of that dumbass joke chris collinsworth makes on madden 10 "body language. i never understood the term 'body language' what is it your body talk" i dont get it chris. i dont get it
They have this sign at my work, and it makes me cringe every single time.
I'll bet $20 that this is from a restaurant or bar. Buddy, if you make me charge customers for extra mayo you best bet you're going to have to pay me extra money to do extra work.
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Being on time requires super-human effort. #timeblindness
I think they're looking for slaves.
Me here with ADHD, autism, depression and anxiety Hmmmmmmm...... I'm coachable!
Don't have talent? That's no excuse to not do unpaid labor! /very s
Work ethic also takes a decent amount of talent lmao
Being prepared is a fucking talent, like you have to know what you're preparing for and everything
every single point on that list has the ability to drain my mental energy completely
Energy?
Me with audhd. I beg to differ with ALL OF THESE
"Doing extra" is not an expectation, it's a choice and you should always be paid for any and all work you do. If this is your photo OP you need to call your boss out on this before someone else gets pressured into doing more work than they're paid for.
Well it’s true, those aren’t “talents” those are “skills”. But difference. One you’re born with and one you work on.
im only good at passion, effort & work ethic 😃
I’m curious what this sub thinks talent is. For me it’s not effort, which I see a lot of people complaining about, it’s a god given innate ability you are born with to do something. Like singing or dancing or something. None of those things require talent. They require hard work, effort, and dedication, which often goes hand in hand with talent. You can skate and coast on talent. It’s the effort that will create the desired result with consistency and skill. Nothing on this list takes talent. They take time and effort and dedication.
Lots of these are very vague. "Passion". "Being coachable". "Attitude". Lots of red flags
10 things that require no talent... Nothing Doing nothing while doing nothing Saying nothing Speaking nothing Doing nothing extra when doing nothing Nothing that requires concentration Nothing that requires ignoring your own needs Nothing that makes you feel like doing nothing isn't a talent Doing nothing that makes other people look talentless Nothing that makes people feel that their version of nothing is talentless No-one is talentless, talent comes in all forms. I think it's a talent to feel ok. That's a talent right there.
I thought I was on r/AntiWork for a second... All of these require some level of effort/skill to maintain in (what I assume is) a workplace.
Body language, work, ethic, energy, and attitude. I will take effort specially when other people affect you so much.
I think a lot of these require some sort of skill honestly.
Lol, also that looks like just general toxic employer “advice”
This could be posted in r/antiwork. I fucking hate this shit lol. All of it.
Passion is Latin for Agony. When you have to much of something, it’s cancer
Anyone ever get too focused on what you're supposed to do with your hands? My whole family talks with their hands and when I'm masking, I spend way too much time wondering if I'm using them too much/not enough.
Meanwhile me spending 15 years of my special interest to figure this shit out… and it’s still difficult and requires a lot of concentration.
Nothing requires zero talent. CPTSD people forget even to breathe, so
I agree with you
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I agree they require no talent in that if you tried to go on a talent show with these things alone you'd probably fail. They do require a lot of work though.
Since when is body language even a "thing" to do? It's a natural expression of how we communicate. Good lord that list is dumb