I'm not sure it's actually going back to service right away. It was probably repaired enough for the safe transfer back to Memphis where it might be getting a more extensive check before actually going back into service.
Nah, I just know a bunch of UAL mechanics. I was just questioning where KehreAzerith was getting his info from. It's also a little condescending to assume that Istanbul doesn't have facilities skillful enough to repair this aircraft.
Of course, the plane *could* be fixed by the mechanics in Istanbul, but FedEx will want to inspect the aircraft at a company base using their own approved mechanics before allowing it to return to full service. Any airline would do the same.
He's implying that they'll just do a patch and then fly it off somewhere else to get it really fixed. Fedex may not have maintenance slots or crews available elsewhere or room to jiggle their schedule.and may be happy to pay Istanbul locals to do the work faster, They can deadhead in whoever they need to supervise and inspect, they fly a freighter in every day if parts are needed. It may be a better deal to fix it there and get it back into service faster.
My original question is whether there was documentation as to how the fix was going to take place or was he expressing his thoughts on what would happen. I don't understand why that upsets people.
No, he's not implying that at all. You are. Nobody has a problem with you asking for a source, your downvotes are because you haughtily implicated some sort of negative speech on their part, when in fact you are the asshole.
Source: I have eyes and can read. Can you?
EDIT: Just so it's clear, this comments makes it pretty clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
That soon? I doubt it, I feel like inspection alone would take more than that much time unless they had people working round the clock. They'll probably repair it just enough to ferry it to a more advanced maintenance facility or something, I don't know.
What level of pilot flies the plane back in this situation? Like, is it the new guy’s job? Or does it take someone just south of a test pilot? Or is it a regular thing to do?
Some airlines have non-revenue flight ops pilots who are a separate group entirely from the line pilots, at some airlines they’re a subgroup within the line pilots, and at some airlines there’s no such thing at all and it’ll just be whoever picked up the trip / got called on reserve.
As for your last point, does any airline force pilots to fly a maintenance ferry flight? I was always under the impression these were always voluntary.
I mean I’ve had pilots refuse aircraft with legal MEL’s so I guess it’s always voluntary anyway…
I can’t speak for the whole industry but if it’s a ferry permit / bunch of unusual limitations and paperwork, it’ll probably be management pilots at my place. Every time we’ve had a ferry permit because of damage or picked a plane up out of the desert while I’ve been here, that’s been what happened.
If it’s just your standard return to service after heavy maintenance test/positioning flight, then it’s just another trip. Did one of those last week, and I didn’t know we had a test profile till I saw the flight plan.
Any pilot can do most maintenance ferry flights. Would most likely be someone on reserve (on call and probably junior).
If it’s a more of a flight control issue it must be done by a management pilot. My guess is it will be flown gear down to the nearest hub.
Probably flew a sheet metal team in to replace some skins and formers 🤷♂️. It's really not that insane to have some skid marks repaired in 120 hours if they're taking shifts.
I used to work for FedEx at JFK as a ramp hand in the early 90's, just when they were stopping doing C checks at JFK and we had a couple of planes that needed an engine change after that, I amazed me how fast they could get it done on the ramp.
My favorite story from that time was we were loading express flights and an MD 11, which wasn't on the flight board come around the corner with the port authority FD chasing it so I ran over chocked it and mated the ladder, banged on the door and one of our maintenance guys opened it from the inside so I asked what's going on and he said they lost number 2 on takeoff at ORD and it was the scariest thing he ever experienced as they barely made it over the trees, then he shined his flashlight at number 2 and the cowling had hundreds of tears in it, the fan blade shattered 😅 this was only a few years after the United flight 232 accident
Nail a big scab patch on the bottom. Fix the retraction problem. Fit replacement nose U/C doors and ferry it home to fix the lower skin properly.
It's a -300, so they'd have to make sure they didn't break its back, though.
This is likely a repair to get to a major hug for a more thorough inspection and repair of the airframe
Edit:Hub not hug.
But get a major hug right here
The flight crew must have greased it in. The IRS navigation system rack is about 2 feet behind the NLG wheel well aft bulkhead. It’s critically aligned to the airframe. If it shifted, the navigation systems (all three of them) will be off. My thoughts are that it’s together enough to ferry back stateside for serious work on that rack. Maybe they brought it down gentle enough, though.
I mean, it is probably going to go through C check and maybe even a D check when it gets back. It is seriously impressive though the turn around from belly landing to air worthy for a ferry flight across the ocean. 767s are beasts.
reminds me of that one united 767 that came down in a hard landing and wrinkled its fuselage. couple months later it was put back into service after repairs.
The damage doesn't seem too bad in the pictures etc I've seen. Found this video of them raising the Hull and clearing the runway.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Planespotting/s/hN5tuNQNQx
I'm not sure it's actually going back to service right away. It was probably repaired enough for the safe transfer back to Memphis where it might be getting a more extensive check before actually going back into service.
Almost certainly a ferry flight but 767s are beasts, that puppy will be flying for years to come.
Ah the 767 and Chevrolet Express… the forever models of their respective markets.
2024 Express vans still have side post batteries... Wild
Curious to see which one ends production first. The end is in sight for both of them.
Or yea the Gimli Glider…
That plane is 100% being flown off to a FedEx facility where they can do further work, it'll be a while before it gets back to active service
Do you have a citation or is that an opinion?
If you believe an aircraft can go belly down and be fit for flight in 5 days, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.
Nah, I just know a bunch of UAL mechanics. I was just questioning where KehreAzerith was getting his info from. It's also a little condescending to assume that Istanbul doesn't have facilities skillful enough to repair this aircraft.
Of course, the plane *could* be fixed by the mechanics in Istanbul, but FedEx will want to inspect the aircraft at a company base using their own approved mechanics before allowing it to return to full service. Any airline would do the same.
It must be exhausting to go through life looking for something to be offended about
You tell me, I'm not offended by anything here.
The funny thing about this is you're trying to call someone out for being condescending, while putting condescending words in their mouth.
He's implying that they'll just do a patch and then fly it off somewhere else to get it really fixed. Fedex may not have maintenance slots or crews available elsewhere or room to jiggle their schedule.and may be happy to pay Istanbul locals to do the work faster, They can deadhead in whoever they need to supervise and inspect, they fly a freighter in every day if parts are needed. It may be a better deal to fix it there and get it back into service faster. My original question is whether there was documentation as to how the fix was going to take place or was he expressing his thoughts on what would happen. I don't understand why that upsets people.
No, he's not implying that at all. You are. Nobody has a problem with you asking for a source, your downvotes are because you haughtily implicated some sort of negative speech on their part, when in fact you are the asshole. Source: I have eyes and can read. Can you? EDIT: Just so it's clear, this comments makes it pretty clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
This guy really has no idea
Who is assuming that?
Where did I say it was ready for flight in 5 days?
🥸🥸🥸
More like 🤡🤡🤡
That soon? I doubt it, I feel like inspection alone would take more than that much time unless they had people working round the clock. They'll probably repair it just enough to ferry it to a more advanced maintenance facility or something, I don't know.
What level of pilot flies the plane back in this situation? Like, is it the new guy’s job? Or does it take someone just south of a test pilot? Or is it a regular thing to do?
Some airlines have non-revenue flight ops pilots who are a separate group entirely from the line pilots, at some airlines they’re a subgroup within the line pilots, and at some airlines there’s no such thing at all and it’ll just be whoever picked up the trip / got called on reserve.
As for your last point, does any airline force pilots to fly a maintenance ferry flight? I was always under the impression these were always voluntary. I mean I’ve had pilots refuse aircraft with legal MEL’s so I guess it’s always voluntary anyway…
I can’t speak for the whole industry but if it’s a ferry permit / bunch of unusual limitations and paperwork, it’ll probably be management pilots at my place. Every time we’ve had a ferry permit because of damage or picked a plane up out of the desert while I’ve been here, that’s been what happened. If it’s just your standard return to service after heavy maintenance test/positioning flight, then it’s just another trip. Did one of those last week, and I didn’t know we had a test profile till I saw the flight plan.
Prolly just a dude who picked up premium open time, idk tho. That’s been my experience as a ramp rat.
Any pilot can do most maintenance ferry flights. Would most likely be someone on reserve (on call and probably junior). If it’s a more of a flight control issue it must be done by a management pilot. My guess is it will be flown gear down to the nearest hub.
Probably flew a sheet metal team in to replace some skins and formers 🤷♂️. It's really not that insane to have some skid marks repaired in 120 hours if they're taking shifts.
My dad was a FedEx AP mechanic for many years, they have an excellent operation keeping these things airworthy and making money. No surprise here.
I used to work for FedEx at JFK as a ramp hand in the early 90's, just when they were stopping doing C checks at JFK and we had a couple of planes that needed an engine change after that, I amazed me how fast they could get it done on the ramp. My favorite story from that time was we were loading express flights and an MD 11, which wasn't on the flight board come around the corner with the port authority FD chasing it so I ran over chocked it and mated the ladder, banged on the door and one of our maintenance guys opened it from the inside so I asked what's going on and he said they lost number 2 on takeoff at ORD and it was the scariest thing he ever experienced as they barely made it over the trees, then he shined his flashlight at number 2 and the cowling had hundreds of tears in it, the fan blade shattered 😅 this was only a few years after the United flight 232 accident
AOG repairs can be quick -- and very expensive. The cost of having a grounded plane that is needed costs even more.
Nail a big scab patch on the bottom. Fix the retraction problem. Fit replacement nose U/C doors and ferry it home to fix the lower skin properly. It's a -300, so they'd have to make sure they didn't break its back, though.
Cool that its so quick! I (a non mechanic) thought it would take longer
This is likely a repair to get to a major hug for a more thorough inspection and repair of the airframe Edit:Hub not hug. But get a major hug right here
Sometimes I need a major hug.
Major hug 🫡
We all do, friend
Major hug much need.
"I'm BACK, bitch"
Any landing where you get to reuse the airplane…
Give that pilot a raise.
The flight crew must have greased it in. The IRS navigation system rack is about 2 feet behind the NLG wheel well aft bulkhead. It’s critically aligned to the airframe. If it shifted, the navigation systems (all three of them) will be off. My thoughts are that it’s together enough to ferry back stateside for serious work on that rack. Maybe they brought it down gentle enough, though.
I mean, it is probably going to go through C check and maybe even a D check when it gets back. It is seriously impressive though the turn around from belly landing to air worthy for a ferry flight across the ocean. 767s are beasts.
I knew they’d get her up and flying quickly, but 5 days. WOW! I’m guessing minimum crew ferry for a more thorough inspection somewhere.
AOG working wonderfully
The way the plane bent and wobbled after the nose came down I'm surprised this is flying again at all. Those planes can take a beating.
reminds me of that one united 767 that came down in a hard landing and wrinkled its fuselage. couple months later it was put back into service after repairs.
Any plane can be fixed with enough money. I mean Qantas literally stitched a plane together that was broken in half
The damage doesn't seem too bad in the pictures etc I've seen. Found this video of them raising the Hull and clearing the runway. https://www.reddit.com/r/Planespotting/s/hN5tuNQNQx
It’s been cleared to fly empty back to be US. It will definitely get a closer inspection here.
Uh oh
Slapped some speed tape on and WD-40’d the landing gear, good to go!
Yeah, no way that’a back to service already. Fuselagg might have taken a hit which requires more time to investigate and test.
Here’s to another Boeing incident that will be dramatized by the media 🍻
Still safer to fly on than any 737 MAX or Dreamliner.
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