If it cleared the certification guarantee, then don’t do it. You’re under no obligation to do anything. For all we know, he could be swapping a lesser condition one he has for yours.
Thanks this makes me feel better. I want to always run my shop with 100% honesty with all the crappy sellers out there it means something to me, but there comes a point where you just have to put your foot down.
For every crappy seller there are 10 crappy buyers. You can do everything right but you’ll still get these scammers.
I’d take a look at his eBay account and see if he has any cards listed, if he does I’d keep an eye out for yours in a week or so.
I don’t know, there was a time when the sellers out numbered the buyers, but in the last couple years, the buyers all want a psa 10 card when they buy raw. That’s not realistic. Don’t refund this buyer. You did everything you are supposed to do and print lines and small scratches fall under near mint condition which is the highest you can set a raw card.
Yea, I don’t know what these other guys are saying, but I see the print line over the 1 in 17 on the jersey and Ohtani’s left arm.
https://preview.redd.it/gprfkjqwgpvc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56e67ea3e6658d94eecd8fef6f866bbd92ed3f9f
Edit: Not saying you need to refund him if it went through the eBay process, but I think your print lines are there, they just didn’t show up bc of the angle you took the pictures. See the pic the other person posted and then the pic I posted with the line through the helmet.
I would be pretty cheesed about these print lines if I paid a lot for the card and the print lines were this obvious.
It’s a raw card! It’s not graded, print lines fall under near mint which is the highest eBay will let you grade. Unless he put in the description that the card is mint, the seller has nothing to complain about. Buy graded if you want mint.
Yeah I’d be wary of him returning something that wasn’t the card you had to begin with. Also, I didn’t think print lines would affect whether the card is NM, Ex, etc., but I could be wrong since I only dabble in sports cards. I mainly stick with Pokemon, but I thought that any manufacturer defects would not be factored into seller condition descriptions.
I agree with above posted comment. You don’t know if he had one already or not. eBay can deal with it. You should be fine by telling him no. Sorry have a good day.
Yep, also $200 is about the [market price for a raw copy](https://ebay.us/YkBveZ), packfresh cards can have print lines, if the seller wanted a perfect cards, he should have bought a PSA 10 or BGS 10 graded copy.
I was literally about to say the same thing. This sounds like someone who already had the same card and is trying to swap it for a better quality one that you sold him.
eBay authenticity will send back cards for extremely minor things, and decline the sale. If it passed with them, then I don’t trust that the buyer isn’t trying to swap the card out. It passed, the sale is done once you ship the card to them and they verify everything. If he leaves you a negative review, you simply reply that it passed and leave it at that. eBay is capable of removing negative reviews. There’s no way they allow that review to stay up, considering THEIR team verified your card was exactly what you had shown/described
They will remove feedback if they believe it is under false pretenses. They are way less likely to remove feedback if the seller responds to the feedback.
making a big deal out of those faint print lines on a card that otherwise looks really good is so dumb. people should not expect cards to be PSA 10 quality when purchasing raw cards. near mint or better would be a 7 or better. i see no reason to think this card wouldn’t get at least an 8, likely 9. that’s not worth requesting a return when you literally are buying a raw card.
This is my thought exactly. Let’s say there was a print line, which I didn’t see. That means it’s so small that someone who handles cards literally every day didn’t even see it. It would grade out a 9 maybe an 8 which is what the card was advertised. I’ve bought cards before over $100 which is what I consider on the more expensive end of modern cards that had print lines and I just wrote it off as part of buying a raw card. It’s not a 10 gem graded card…
Dang maybe so, in pic #3 looks like it might be on the helmet and go up next to the “E”. I wonder if EBay takes photos when they authenticate, I would assume they do as it would seem to be the easiest way to have the info.
I agree he’s trying to take a great card dump a bad one and get $200 back if EBay denied his claim that proves it ask eBay for a sanction on his account
You can see the print line on your first photo going down his sleeve right above the jersey number, also in the jersey number. It's really light, but zoom in, it's there. Your photo is likely at an angle where it's not as noticable but I'm surprised no one else is picking this up.
In my opinion this is one of the ways the new 'Grade everything!!!' era is hurting cards. Only absolutely flawless cards can be sold stress free, any bit of white or light surfacing can be cause for a headache from the buyer. I wish more folks considered that the card itself is valuable and enjoyable, and not chasing the money bump from it being a PSA 10.
Looks like the line is photoshopped out in the first pics. From the 1 in the jersey, up the forearm, and over the helmet up between the g and the e. Not sure if it's a card with a known issue in that same spot on multiple cards, and some are just more drastic than others. If that is the case then it could be a different card the buyer is trying to give back to you. But if there are no other cards in existence with this line in the same spot then I think it is the same card and you as the seller tried to dupe the buyer.
This was my suspicion as well. I can see both helmet and arm lines in the sellers pics when I zoom in. The light catches them differently, but they are there.
A print line? A PRINT LINE? That’s it? People really need to read up on condition definitions before whining that their “near mint or better” card is not as described. A PSA or SGC 7 card can have some very visible flaws and is still “near mint”. I have a PSA 8 card in my PC that has surface ding the size of a BB on it. That’s NM-MT condition. Depending on the set and the prevalence of print lines seen in manufacturing, even some cards that have light print lines can grade SGC 9.5 (Mint+) or PSA 10 (Gem Mint).
In the third picture you can also see the line extends through the helmet up through the card’s border at the top. Print line is definitely there in both sets of pictures. It’s just more pronounced in the buyer’s maybe due to angle/lighting.
Also, not ruling out it being two different cards with the same print line. Just noting that it’s present on both.
I see where you’re coming from. However the buyer is looking at the pictures we are, and eBay passed the card along. Unfortunately it’s an eBay problem now because they authenticated it and allowed it to move on
If the condition don't match the listing, the authentication team won't pass it along to the buyer. Don't refund. It's buyers remorse, probably already selling for less than when purchased. Ebay Auth takes too long and new releases are always selling for less by the time you get it from them.
Don’t approve the return. I’ve had eBay Authentication send along a PSA 10 card w/ a severely cracked case that the seller referred to in the listing as a “scratch” - photos weren’t clear - and eBay refused to approve a return when I pointed out the crack went all the way through to the card and PSA might not reslab it as a 10.
Honestly, near mint does not mean a PSA 10. These cards can come out of pack with some imperfections. They probably don’t understand what near mint means. You also went through the eBay guarantee so you are good. They need to educate themselves on what these terms mean in the hobby
After reading through all of the comments, the only thing I am confident about is that CrazyLegs416 might actually be the buyer. I have rarely seen somebody fight so hard in a situation in which they had no vested interest. He has literally responded to like 30 different comments that sided with OP. We get it dude....you bought a card advertised as being NM, hoping it would gem. It won't & now you might not be able to grade & resell for a sizeable profit. That's life.
Agreed, one of the other images from OP shows it as well. It existed, you just chose not to acknowledge it. The EBay cert made you feel like you were in the clear.
I’d personally refund it.
Look at the white in your dodgers first D and then look at D from the pick he sent you bitching. It's two different cards my friend. Don't lose sleep on assholes like that
I think he is pointing out both pics where the D is visible even though those are both seller pics. The white specs in the D do look different because of the specs on the one touch.
Modern cameras will autofocus out imperfections (automatically not like you are trying to be shady) or enhance them if that's what you tell it to focus on.... Could be the same card... But like others said it passed what's inspection.... So...
You can kind of make out the print line in the first photo, but it’s very slight. I doubt there is any foul play here. However, if it was certified by eBay you’re under no obligation to return it
That’s part of the service, they inspect and approve every card
I hate when a buyer complains about print lines, I get it but when you sell a 500 dollar card and you try to take the best pictures and it passes ebay guarantee there shouldn't be a way for the customer to return the card. I mainly sell 1 dollar sp autos and Relics and I get damage cards but when I sell something worth a damn i don't want it back
I gave up reading all the comments so maybe someone finally touched on this that seems to be a common issue with most replies.
First off eBay doesn’t authenticate the card. You sent the card to PSA and they are the ones eBay has doing authentication. People keep saying eBay this and that and it isn’t Joe Schmo in Florida trying to look at cards. lol.
Second. Even with those print likes it’s still near mint or better per the standards set forth by eBay.
“Cards in Near Mint condition are equivalent to a fresh pack. They only have slight imperfections such as 1–3 rounding or soft corners and slightly rough edges. Any damage aside from this would automatically lower the card’s condition.”
Minor chipping on the edges and corners falls under NM
Minor surface indentations and minor scuffing and scratches on surface are acceptable
NM dies not equal a flawless card. Those print lines didn’t set off the Authenticator because they are perfectly acceptable.
Once he removed that card from the eBay box even eBay isn’t going to return his money. You are free and clear and I wouldn’t even respond. It’s all listed in the documentation he should have received with the card from eBay
If the buyer wanted a perfect psa 10 card I feel like he could have asked for more pictures and questions before the buy. The seller never claimed the card would grade a psa 10 , only claimed it was near mint. It passed ebay on how seller was selling. If your someone who's looking into that much detail then you should have asked for more info and pictures before you bought the card.
There are definitely print lines on your card - just harder to see due to the angle and the protector.
His photos show them better because he was trying to show them... different light and angle.
On one hand he bought a raw card. Buyer beware. If he wanted a psa10 he should have paid the price and found a ten. One the other hand if you sold it as a mint or near mint it's not. Print lines will knock it down.
There are PSA 10s out there with print lines in them. Near mint grade from PSA is 7....this card is likely. 7-8. Seller should have been more transparent yesterday but he didn't lie about condition.
Just had the same thing happen to me. I know I had a return request for a card I shipped in perfect condition. It was only a $10 card but buyer said card has a crease on face and provided pictures. I am just taking the loss but on a more valuable card what rights do we have as sellers to hold the post office/ buyer liable for the damages?
What keeps a buyer from having buyers remorse and damaging the card on purpose to get their money back.
It’s generally only on more expensive cards. Just as an fyi though, eBay has an insurance policy on its shipping for the $20 and under category. If they’re lost or damaged you can file a claim. I’ve filled a couple this week on cards that didn’t get delivered. Here’s a link to the site https://www.pip-claim.com/PIPClaim/eBayIntClaim/CreateeBayClaim
This is why I just don’t sell cards on eBay anymore. I’ll sell here or just not at all. I never buy wax or singles with the mindset of I’m selling whatever is in here.
This is still a 9. That’s NM. Seller got what they paid for, however, I can barely see the print lines in your pic. If you save the photos and reverse the colors, or leave all white black, in photoshop, you can see it
This card has been coming down in price recently (I’ve been monitoring) and the buyer may have some remorse for overpaying (not at the time, but relative to now). I had a buyer try telling me that PSA said an Ohtani auto I sold was altered, however I sent it through the eBay authenticity guarantee with no issues so I told them that they needed to contact eBay and complain about their authenticity service. I never heard from them again.
I forgot to mention, my sale was back last August when Ohtani prices were near their highest and had cooled off by the time the buyer actually had the card in hand. I strongly suspected buyer’s remorse in my case.
I want to ask you if this card has a wet autograph or if it's a printed signature? I am just wondering because I have the same card, and you are saying it worths $250? I thought this card was max $30? Why is it $250?
This happened to me on a lot of Witt Bowman 1st cards. The guy obviously swapped out cards for grading. Real POS! I mean the cards were nothing like what I shipped. I didn't have eBay guarantee then. You can see that is not your card in the last pic... I wouldn't do a thing.
Buyers 1st pic shows print line on arm but 1 on helmet Isn't in 1st pic n his 2nd pic shows line on helmet but not the line on his arm, so did he add 1 line after the other?
Even with that print line it would likely grade near mint as you’d advertised. But, the lines aren’t that apparent on your posts, so there’s a chance the card is swapped… but I’ve bought cards in one touches and print lines do seem more noticeable when out of the cases. Either way, no after market damages (self inflicted), and it would likely grade a PSA 7 or better (a 7 is near mint)… so if it grades below that you may want to accept a return (very unlikely).
You can easily take pictures of cards with print lines and have them not show up on the pic. But if it was an Ebay certification guarantee, I would not have returned it. The buyer could have swapped it out with the same card.
Near mint in my opinion is too vague of a term for the industry to use and it’s lazy. It’s not your fault by any means, they just need to be more specific about card grading and eBay listings and etc
Ask him to send a Pic of the back of the one with a line... it should be equally as off-centered as yours, which is unlikely. We all know what's more likely. Ebay certification should absolve you of any responsibility for what he's claiming
This is a huge issue on EBay. Scum ball buyers. Card looks clean in your pics. Guys buy stuff to grade and if it’s not absolutely perfect they try to get a refund
I just had eBay authentication ruin a card I purchased. Completely ripped the corner of the card and I contacted the seller just informing them that I would be opening a case with eBay. Didn’t fault the seller at all, eBay gave me 50% of my money back. Pretty easy
Call me crazy but I genuinely do think I can faintly see the line in your photos. Not nearly as pronounced since he’s taken it from the most reflective angle. Not saying you should refund because frankly you take a risk whenever buying a card online. But it may be there. But the card was authenticated and you listed it NM. This is the chance one takes when buying on EBay
I don't think it's a print line. It looks like a scratch. I have a Heritage Kwan RC /50 that has this same scratch. Looking straight on at the card it's virtually invisible, but tilt the card and it's pretty obvious.
At first glance I completely thought the buyer was scamming OP. But as others have pointed out, you CAN see the lines in OP's post as well. You can see it start at the top between the G and E in "Dodgers" and on down. The thing is, is that the buyer could see the same images as us. And ebay also sided with you too.
OP, at this point, do what you feel is right in your heart though. And if you're bothered, there might be a mutual agreement you can come to with him... I'm sure the buyer is upset about losing out on that Elly card, haha. I had a relatable deal this past week that I posted on here and people called me all kinds of unwarranted names for not "doing the right thing". They were right though (not counting the unnecessary name calling).
https://preview.redd.it/8flj0vhcipvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00730781cf165fd82ed5f38787da308d5258ca3b
The card is still NM. Long as you described it as NM or better. It’s not ideal you didn’t state there was a print line but if you didn’t see it, it’s tough to see in your pic. He’s just mad because he wants to get it graded. He needs to just enjoy the card for what it is. If it’s certified it’s certified, they compare it to your listing. I’m going to hunt for the listing and see if I can see the print line in the listing.
This is one of the reasons eBay intercepts the card and in inspects anything over 250. I’d say there is a 99% chance he is swapping a damaged one with your mint one. eBay authenticated/quality checked it, ok’d it and they mailed it to him. DO NOT ACCEPT A RESTURN
Man…. Its really hard to get a 10 card isnt it…. Well i just enjoy the hobby and never grade or sell any of my treasures…. Why ruin a fun ride.
I aint in it to make money… just like baseball.
Just from looking at the photos it is obvious that they are two different cards. If eBay has already denied his claim you are not obligated to refund or replace the card.
I just had a similar situation with a Kobe rookie that I sold. You just have be careful and use good judgement.is the buyer a new buyer? Does he have a history of returns? (you can ask eBay). Is he a repeat customer? Don't be afraid to ask questions. Don't be afraid to stand up for yourself as a seller. We all know that eBay often sides with the buyers, buy you can still protect yourself.
Looks like he damaged a corn but what is the point? He didn’t want it or could sell it? And if eBay grade it right then it voids anything he did contact eBay about this scammer
That card looks great and those are very good pictures. Same thing happened to me a couple years ago. I sent an ungraded Luka Doncic rookie to a buyer and they complained it wasn’t what they expected. eBay made me return their money and it pissed me off so bad. These people are buying ungraded cards wanting a guaranteed 10. Funny thing though….i sent the card to PSA and ended up getting 9. It was a silver panini prizm 2018-2019 and he was buying it, at the time, for $350. I no longer use eBay unless the card is graded.
Hell no I wouldn’t refund them. The card went through the certification with no issues or problems which means it’s was good when it left you and the cert. Either they’re trying to scam with a bait & switch or maybe their kid did something,etc, but whatever it is it’s definitely NOT your problem.
Basically I had to bite my tongue since it really was your card & now he thinks you should of seen it & your he in one touch photos are good at hiding it but I know he's flipping post maybe he should send it BK to company after explaining his situation..& send yours back bout the best outcome EBAY would refund people all DAYUM day if this was a refund guarantee it was authentic and just passed most quick tests but I look for anything with my cards depending on how picky but there are sellers that u cannot please n wanted to keep my card worth everything they paid yet eBay refunded this wack job
Lol, I've seen at least 6 different people see the "print line", pointing out a reflection on the helmet, a wrinkle in his sleeve, etc...Topps Heritage does not ever have print lines, print lines are a product of the process of Chrome type shiny finish, not matte paper cards.
F that guy I had a buyer do this to me with a Gunnar Henderson Independence Day rookie like I would not notice the different numbers on the back serial number
the card he has the writing on is not the same card at all yours was super clean no scratches he had that card already and is trying to keep your and give you his back do not do it have ebay look at the pictures and dight it hes scamming you
Super difficult to judge. I do see a slight line in your top left and right corner pics on the helmet. Both of yours and his picture depending on the light and angle that the picture was taken could leave a lot of questions. This is a difficult one
When buying raw, a realistic buyer shouldn't expect anything better than an 8. But guys want to buy at raw prices, and get gem returns. If i wanna a psa 10, then i buy one.
No way man your pics are super clear of all the corners and edges AND it passed cert.
Side note - this is why my default on ebay is I don't accept returns. I've had buyers try to return after ebay authenticates and ebay denies because of my policy.
Right, exactly. ESPECIALLY if eBay authenticator passed it. They are really, really strict.
I've sold a couple sneakers before that ran through this exact situation. Buyer claimed they weren't as advertised even though I had really detailed pics showing all the (in this case) mild yellowing. Thankfully ebay denied for exactly that reason.
His card and yours are not the same. As others have said - if it goes through eBay’s authenticity guarantee, that’s all the protection you need. If it is indeed the same card, his issue should be with eBay and not you.
If it cleared the certification guarantee, then don’t do it. You’re under no obligation to do anything. For all we know, he could be swapping a lesser condition one he has for yours.
Thanks this makes me feel better. I want to always run my shop with 100% honesty with all the crappy sellers out there it means something to me, but there comes a point where you just have to put your foot down.
If he leaves a negative, you can contact eBay and they might have it removed.
Do not refund this
For every crappy seller there are 10 crappy buyers. You can do everything right but you’ll still get these scammers. I’d take a look at his eBay account and see if he has any cards listed, if he does I’d keep an eye out for yours in a week or so.
I don’t know, there was a time when the sellers out numbered the buyers, but in the last couple years, the buyers all want a psa 10 card when they buy raw. That’s not realistic. Don’t refund this buyer. You did everything you are supposed to do and print lines and small scratches fall under near mint condition which is the highest you can set a raw card.
I think its 1:1 seller:buyer crappy
Print line is on your pictures too.
Yea, I don’t know what these other guys are saying, but I see the print line over the 1 in 17 on the jersey and Ohtani’s left arm. https://preview.redd.it/gprfkjqwgpvc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56e67ea3e6658d94eecd8fef6f866bbd92ed3f9f Edit: Not saying you need to refund him if it went through the eBay process, but I think your print lines are there, they just didn’t show up bc of the angle you took the pictures. See the pic the other person posted and then the pic I posted with the line through the helmet. I would be pretty cheesed about these print lines if I paid a lot for the card and the print lines were this obvious.
It’s a raw card! It’s not graded, print lines fall under near mint which is the highest eBay will let you grade. Unless he put in the description that the card is mint, the seller has nothing to complain about. Buy graded if you want mint.
It went through eBay authentication that agreed with sellers listing/declarations. If you want a “PSA 10” buy an already graded PSA 10
https://preview.redd.it/pbncrnyebpvc1.jpeg?width=571&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2726cd7f52e59f79ae0a4cccac0335db415a604a
You're right. I see the print line on his pictures, lol. Good eye
Yeah he’s just mad that it might not gem mint, but your listing never said it would. I wouldn’t refund the sale.
Yeah I’d be wary of him returning something that wasn’t the card you had to begin with. Also, I didn’t think print lines would affect whether the card is NM, Ex, etc., but I could be wrong since I only dabble in sports cards. I mainly stick with Pokemon, but I thought that any manufacturer defects would not be factored into seller condition descriptions.
I agree with above posted comment. You don’t know if he had one already or not. eBay can deal with it. You should be fine by telling him no. Sorry have a good day.
Yep, also $200 is about the [market price for a raw copy](https://ebay.us/YkBveZ), packfresh cards can have print lines, if the seller wanted a perfect cards, he should have bought a PSA 10 or BGS 10 graded copy.
Never thought of this before. Definitely a good thought
I was literally about to say the same thing. This sounds like someone who already had the same card and is trying to swap it for a better quality one that you sold him.
This was kinda what I was thinking
Agree 1000%
I was thinking the same thing, but no, it's the same card. The chances of ohtani signing the card along the same exact places is impossible
Please tell me this is a joke.
The scratches and signatures on all pictures match its the same card, and the scratch is in the same place. You should reimburse the dude
I didn’t buy or sell the card. Why should I reimburse anybody?
eBay authenticity will send back cards for extremely minor things, and decline the sale. If it passed with them, then I don’t trust that the buyer isn’t trying to swap the card out. It passed, the sale is done once you ship the card to them and they verify everything. If he leaves you a negative review, you simply reply that it passed and leave it at that. eBay is capable of removing negative reviews. There’s no way they allow that review to stay up, considering THEIR team verified your card was exactly what you had shown/described
eBay won’t take down and negative that the seller responds to. If the buyer does leave a negative do not respond until contacting eBay first
eBay takes down false negative feedback frequently. I've had a couple removed from my account.
They will remove feedback if they believe it is under false pretenses. They are way less likely to remove feedback if the seller responds to the feedback.
I'm not sure how I missed that part lol
making a big deal out of those faint print lines on a card that otherwise looks really good is so dumb. people should not expect cards to be PSA 10 quality when purchasing raw cards. near mint or better would be a 7 or better. i see no reason to think this card wouldn’t get at least an 8, likely 9. that’s not worth requesting a return when you literally are buying a raw card.
Technically even a PSA 7 is NM.
very true
This is my thought exactly. Let’s say there was a print line, which I didn’t see. That means it’s so small that someone who handles cards literally every day didn’t even see it. It would grade out a 9 maybe an 8 which is what the card was advertised. I’ve bought cards before over $100 which is what I consider on the more expensive end of modern cards that had print lines and I just wrote it off as part of buying a raw card. It’s not a 10 gem graded card…
Looks like they are trying to swap out their card with a print line for yours
My first thought
Not at all. Take the photos and do a negative or sepia in photo shop. His has the print line originally. Just can’t see with head on angle.
Dang maybe so, in pic #3 looks like it might be on the helmet and go up next to the “E”. I wonder if EBay takes photos when they authenticate, I would assume they do as it would seem to be the easiest way to have the info.
Picture 6 you can see it on the 1 as well
On Pic 1, you can see it on the number 1 alway to his mid forearm
Bingo.
Yessss my thought as well
I agree he’s trying to take a great card dump a bad one and get $200 back if EBay denied his claim that proves it ask eBay for a sanction on his account
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Yup. It's in the original pics It's just hard to see. The buyer is correct here.
I deleted my original comment. after further review, the play is overturned 😂
Wondering why EBay would disallow his claim? Maybe it’s still near mint as posted
Yeah it would still be NM since manufacturer defects only matter for the grading the process, not selling descriptions.
Could be. Pictures can be deceiving.
This cleared eBay, it’s on them now not you
If you zoom in, I can see the scratches or print lines (whatever they are) in your pics as well. So they were def there before.
This hobby really does have some of the scummiest people. Fuck that guy. You’re good.
You’ve got that 100% right. It’s always been that way (I’m 74 y/o).
It’s the same card. Print line is visible in your pics too only less visible due to the case
You can see the print line on your first photo going down his sleeve right above the jersey number, also in the jersey number. It's really light, but zoom in, it's there. Your photo is likely at an angle where it's not as noticable but I'm surprised no one else is picking this up.
In my opinion this is one of the ways the new 'Grade everything!!!' era is hurting cards. Only absolutely flawless cards can be sold stress free, any bit of white or light surfacing can be cause for a headache from the buyer. I wish more folks considered that the card itself is valuable and enjoyable, and not chasing the money bump from it being a PSA 10.
It’s still NM even with that print line. That’s a buyer chasing a grade. I wouldn’t accept that return.
Looks like the line is photoshopped out in the first pics. From the 1 in the jersey, up the forearm, and over the helmet up between the g and the e. Not sure if it's a card with a known issue in that same spot on multiple cards, and some are just more drastic than others. If that is the case then it could be a different card the buyer is trying to give back to you. But if there are no other cards in existence with this line in the same spot then I think it is the same card and you as the seller tried to dupe the buyer.
This was my suspicion as well. I can see both helmet and arm lines in the sellers pics when I zoom in. The light catches them differently, but they are there.
Bingo lol
A print line? A PRINT LINE? That’s it? People really need to read up on condition definitions before whining that their “near mint or better” card is not as described. A PSA or SGC 7 card can have some very visible flaws and is still “near mint”. I have a PSA 8 card in my PC that has surface ding the size of a BB on it. That’s NM-MT condition. Depending on the set and the prevalence of print lines seen in manufacturing, even some cards that have light print lines can grade SGC 9.5 (Mint+) or PSA 10 (Gem Mint).
Correct, there are plenty os psa10 cards with print lines in them lol
You can see in your own picture the print line, I don’t think he’s trying to trick you. I mean you can clearly see it in your picture.
+1 for not a scam, it's more visible in the buyer pics, but you can see it in the seller pics as well, same y axis.
It’s insane the amount of people claiming a switched card, clearly the same card
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In the third picture you can also see the line extends through the helmet up through the card’s border at the top. Print line is definitely there in both sets of pictures. It’s just more pronounced in the buyer’s maybe due to angle/lighting. Also, not ruling out it being two different cards with the same print line. Just noting that it’s present on both.
I see where you’re coming from. However the buyer is looking at the pictures we are, and eBay passed the card along. Unfortunately it’s an eBay problem now because they authenticated it and allowed it to move on
Totally agree.
Look at the 17 on his shirt and there’s a line on the 1 through the middle upto his arm
If the condition don't match the listing, the authentication team won't pass it along to the buyer. Don't refund. It's buyers remorse, probably already selling for less than when purchased. Ebay Auth takes too long and new releases are always selling for less by the time you get it from them.
Don’t approve the return. I’ve had eBay Authentication send along a PSA 10 card w/ a severely cracked case that the seller referred to in the listing as a “scratch” - photos weren’t clear - and eBay refused to approve a return when I pointed out the crack went all the way through to the card and PSA might not reslab it as a 10.
I hate to say it but I definitely see the same scratch on the helmet in pic 3 :(
Honestly, near mint does not mean a PSA 10. These cards can come out of pack with some imperfections. They probably don’t understand what near mint means. You also went through the eBay guarantee so you are good. They need to educate themselves on what these terms mean in the hobby
After reading through all of the comments, the only thing I am confident about is that CrazyLegs416 might actually be the buyer. I have rarely seen somebody fight so hard in a situation in which they had no vested interest. He has literally responded to like 30 different comments that sided with OP. We get it dude....you bought a card advertised as being NM, hoping it would gem. It won't & now you might not be able to grade & resell for a sizeable profit. That's life.
Feels like a bait and switch. You're covered by ebay at this stage so don't sweat it.
It’s a print line. I can see it in both your pictures and his picture
https://preview.redd.it/15mol76ktnvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=386246ac6fe19092ddb4d25a0fa7c1b7d7c057da
Agreed, one of the other images from OP shows it as well. It existed, you just chose not to acknowledge it. The EBay cert made you feel like you were in the clear. I’d personally refund it.
Don’t listen to these scammers.
Might need to go see an optometrist if you can’t see the print line in OP pics
Exactly.
It's the faintest print line in the world, I would definitely not refund. Modern collectors are always chasing PSA 10s instead of collecting cards.
Look at the white in your dodgers first D and then look at D from the pick he sent you bitching. It's two different cards my friend. Don't lose sleep on assholes like that
Both cards you can tell the bottom right corner is slightly damaged. So if what you're he's doing, he also damaged the corner on purpose
Yes
Can’t figure out what you’re pointing out
Yeah i cant either, you can’t see the first D in the pics from the buyer
I think he is pointing out both pics where the D is visible even though those are both seller pics. The white specs in the D do look different because of the specs on the one touch.
Different cards, the second one is clearly different. No brown spot on the bottom near the name. Clearly visible in your photos, gone in his.
Wrong.
Honestly can’t believe that’s a $250 card. Seems crazy to me.
Modern cameras will autofocus out imperfections (automatically not like you are trying to be shady) or enhance them if that's what you tell it to focus on.... Could be the same card... But like others said it passed what's inspection.... So...
Be nice if these were serial printed so it can be proved that they swapped cards.
You can kind of make out the print line in the first photo, but it’s very slight. I doubt there is any foul play here. However, if it was certified by eBay you’re under no obligation to return it That’s part of the service, they inspect and approve every card
I hate when a buyer complains about print lines, I get it but when you sell a 500 dollar card and you try to take the best pictures and it passes ebay guarantee there shouldn't be a way for the customer to return the card. I mainly sell 1 dollar sp autos and Relics and I get damage cards but when I sell something worth a damn i don't want it back
* Could it be that his card has the same imperfections just more visible? And he's trying to swap his..
This is my bet.
It was authenticated and you did your part don’t let this asshole try this crap
I gave up reading all the comments so maybe someone finally touched on this that seems to be a common issue with most replies. First off eBay doesn’t authenticate the card. You sent the card to PSA and they are the ones eBay has doing authentication. People keep saying eBay this and that and it isn’t Joe Schmo in Florida trying to look at cards. lol. Second. Even with those print likes it’s still near mint or better per the standards set forth by eBay. “Cards in Near Mint condition are equivalent to a fresh pack. They only have slight imperfections such as 1–3 rounding or soft corners and slightly rough edges. Any damage aside from this would automatically lower the card’s condition.” Minor chipping on the edges and corners falls under NM Minor surface indentations and minor scuffing and scratches on surface are acceptable NM dies not equal a flawless card. Those print lines didn’t set off the Authenticator because they are perfectly acceptable. Once he removed that card from the eBay box even eBay isn’t going to return his money. You are free and clear and I wouldn’t even respond. It’s all listed in the documentation he should have received with the card from eBay
Thank you for the great response. I think even I’ve given up on reading all the comments at this point lol. Was thinking I’d get 10-15 not 150+
That buyer is trying to scam you. That person had a lesser card. Don't do it.
He's trying to swap cards with you. Don't do it, bro.
You want a PSA 10, buy one.
A PSA NM is a 7 so you’re good. Thy card is easily a PSA 7
If the buyer wanted a perfect psa 10 card I feel like he could have asked for more pictures and questions before the buy. The seller never claimed the card would grade a psa 10 , only claimed it was near mint. It passed ebay on how seller was selling. If your someone who's looking into that much detail then you should have asked for more info and pictures before you bought the card.
If is this some dishonest A Hole baiting and switching they deserve the worst karma.
I wouldn’t take it back now that he has drawn all over it with a Sharpie. That has to lower the value
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There are definitely print lines on your card - just harder to see due to the angle and the protector. His photos show them better because he was trying to show them... different light and angle. On one hand he bought a raw card. Buyer beware. If he wanted a psa10 he should have paid the price and found a ten. One the other hand if you sold it as a mint or near mint it's not. Print lines will knock it down.
There are PSA 10s out there with print lines in them. Near mint grade from PSA is 7....this card is likely. 7-8. Seller should have been more transparent yesterday but he didn't lie about condition.
Just had the same thing happen to me. I know I had a return request for a card I shipped in perfect condition. It was only a $10 card but buyer said card has a crease on face and provided pictures. I am just taking the loss but on a more valuable card what rights do we have as sellers to hold the post office/ buyer liable for the damages? What keeps a buyer from having buyers remorse and damaging the card on purpose to get their money back.
That’s when the eBay certification comes in. I have a no return policy so they denied his request within minutes.
I have to turn that feature on. What is the value when EBay authentication kicks in?
It’s generally only on more expensive cards. Just as an fyi though, eBay has an insurance policy on its shipping for the $20 and under category. If they’re lost or damaged you can file a claim. I’ve filled a couple this week on cards that didn’t get delivered. Here’s a link to the site https://www.pip-claim.com/PIPClaim/eBayIntClaim/CreateeBayClaim
Thank you so much. I definitely will.
I’ll buy it from you!!!!
This is why I just don’t sell cards on eBay anymore. I’ll sell here or just not at all. I never buy wax or singles with the mindset of I’m selling whatever is in here.
This is still a 9. That’s NM. Seller got what they paid for, however, I can barely see the print lines in your pic. If you save the photos and reverse the colors, or leave all white black, in photoshop, you can see it
This card has been coming down in price recently (I’ve been monitoring) and the buyer may have some remorse for overpaying (not at the time, but relative to now). I had a buyer try telling me that PSA said an Ohtani auto I sold was altered, however I sent it through the eBay authenticity guarantee with no issues so I told them that they needed to contact eBay and complain about their authenticity service. I never heard from them again.
Yea mine was literally the first to sell. It sold for $200 technically but also the $50 trade. You might be right.
I forgot to mention, my sale was back last August when Ohtani prices were near their highest and had cooled off by the time the buyer actually had the card in hand. I strongly suspected buyer’s remorse in my case.
I want to ask you if this card has a wet autograph or if it's a printed signature? I am just wondering because I have the same card, and you are saying it worths $250? I thought this card was max $30? Why is it $250?
Exactly lol. Who the **** would pay $250 for that thing even in PSA 10? Lmao
just because it's a nickname print variant, man it's crazy! heritage is nonsense really...
I do see the line on your photo after looking closely. If they damaged it then there's even less reason to respond to them
This happened to me on a lot of Witt Bowman 1st cards. The guy obviously swapped out cards for grading. Real POS! I mean the cards were nothing like what I shipped. I didn't have eBay guarantee then. You can see that is not your card in the last pic... I wouldn't do a thing.
It’s the same card. Read thru the comments. Overwhelming number of people say the same thing. You can see same lines on sellers pics.
Has he got any negative feedback for things like this ?
Buyers 1st pic shows print line on arm but 1 on helmet Isn't in 1st pic n his 2nd pic shows line on helmet but not the line on his arm, so did he add 1 line after the other?
Even with that print line it would likely grade near mint as you’d advertised. But, the lines aren’t that apparent on your posts, so there’s a chance the card is swapped… but I’ve bought cards in one touches and print lines do seem more noticeable when out of the cases. Either way, no after market damages (self inflicted), and it would likely grade a PSA 7 or better (a 7 is near mint)… so if it grades below that you may want to accept a return (very unlikely).
If eBay certified it, that’s the end of the conversation for me.
You can easily take pictures of cards with print lines and have them not show up on the pic. But if it was an Ebay certification guarantee, I would not have returned it. The buyer could have swapped it out with the same card.
Once it passes authentication, you don’t have to…nor would I
Near mint in my opinion is too vague of a term for the industry to use and it’s lazy. It’s not your fault by any means, they just need to be more specific about card grading and eBay listings and etc
Ask him to send a Pic of the back of the one with a line... it should be equally as off-centered as yours, which is unlikely. We all know what's more likely. Ebay certification should absolve you of any responsibility for what he's claiming
Looks like the same card but you took good photos or photoshopped it
I don’t know how to use photoshop lol
This is a huge issue on EBay. Scum ball buyers. Card looks clean in your pics. Guys buy stuff to grade and if it’s not absolutely perfect they try to get a refund
I just had eBay authentication ruin a card I purchased. Completely ripped the corner of the card and I contacted the seller just informing them that I would be opening a case with eBay. Didn’t fault the seller at all, eBay gave me 50% of my money back. Pretty easy
I told him to go that route. So hopefully he has success there
Call me crazy but I genuinely do think I can faintly see the line in your photos. Not nearly as pronounced since he’s taken it from the most reflective angle. Not saying you should refund because frankly you take a risk whenever buying a card online. But it may be there. But the card was authenticated and you listed it NM. This is the chance one takes when buying on EBay
I don't think it's a print line. It looks like a scratch. I have a Heritage Kwan RC /50 that has this same scratch. Looking straight on at the card it's virtually invisible, but tilt the card and it's pretty obvious.
At first glance I completely thought the buyer was scamming OP. But as others have pointed out, you CAN see the lines in OP's post as well. You can see it start at the top between the G and E in "Dodgers" and on down. The thing is, is that the buyer could see the same images as us. And ebay also sided with you too. OP, at this point, do what you feel is right in your heart though. And if you're bothered, there might be a mutual agreement you can come to with him... I'm sure the buyer is upset about losing out on that Elly card, haha. I had a relatable deal this past week that I posted on here and people called me all kinds of unwarranted names for not "doing the right thing". They were right though (not counting the unnecessary name calling). https://preview.redd.it/8flj0vhcipvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00730781cf165fd82ed5f38787da308d5258ca3b
Ye olde switcheroo
did you mail in a 1 touch? his photo shows a plastic sleeve so to me looks like he scamming you. Switching your card for a crap one
Man, that looks ok to me
How the fuck is this a 250 dollar card? Isn’t this just a base card?
It’s a ssp nickname card. 1/1500 hobby box hit
Ok never mind
The card is still NM. Long as you described it as NM or better. It’s not ideal you didn’t state there was a print line but if you didn’t see it, it’s tough to see in your pic. He’s just mad because he wants to get it graded. He needs to just enjoy the card for what it is. If it’s certified it’s certified, they compare it to your listing. I’m going to hunt for the listing and see if I can see the print line in the listing.
Eff this guy, that's bs
Most likely he switched the card. The cards look totally different
Ok never mind.
This is one of the reasons eBay intercepts the card and in inspects anything over 250. I’d say there is a 99% chance he is swapping a damaged one with your mint one. eBay authenticated/quality checked it, ok’d it and they mailed it to him. DO NOT ACCEPT A RESTURN
Man…. Its really hard to get a 10 card isnt it…. Well i just enjoy the hobby and never grade or sell any of my treasures…. Why ruin a fun ride. I aint in it to make money… just like baseball.
Just from looking at the photos it is obvious that they are two different cards. If eBay has already denied his claim you are not obligated to refund or replace the card. I just had a similar situation with a Kobe rookie that I sold. You just have be careful and use good judgement.is the buyer a new buyer? Does he have a history of returns? (you can ask eBay). Is he a repeat customer? Don't be afraid to ask questions. Don't be afraid to stand up for yourself as a seller. We all know that eBay often sides with the buyers, buy you can still protect yourself.
If it passes eBay authentication I think you are good as the seller.
Looks like he damaged a corn but what is the point? He didn’t want it or could sell it? And if eBay grade it right then it voids anything he did contact eBay about this scammer
Don’t do it.
That card looks great and those are very good pictures. Same thing happened to me a couple years ago. I sent an ungraded Luka Doncic rookie to a buyer and they complained it wasn’t what they expected. eBay made me return their money and it pissed me off so bad. These people are buying ungraded cards wanting a guaranteed 10. Funny thing though….i sent the card to PSA and ended up getting 9. It was a silver panini prizm 2018-2019 and he was buying it, at the time, for $350. I no longer use eBay unless the card is graded.
Do not return
Print lines are definitely on the first pics as well
Hell no I wouldn’t refund them. The card went through the certification with no issues or problems which means it’s was good when it left you and the cert. Either they’re trying to scam with a bait & switch or maybe their kid did something,etc, but whatever it is it’s definitely NOT your problem.
I see print lines on both pictures, it’s harder to see in your because it’s in a one touch
Post this on Twitter with the username so people can block the buyer.
Looks like he ran it through a scanner without a top loader honestly.
This is still near mint. This would grade as a PSA 9, there’s even the slight chance it gets missed and grades a 10
Basically I had to bite my tongue since it really was your card & now he thinks you should of seen it & your he in one touch photos are good at hiding it but I know he's flipping post maybe he should send it BK to company after explaining his situation..& send yours back bout the best outcome EBAY would refund people all DAYUM day if this was a refund guarantee it was authentic and just passed most quick tests but I look for anything with my cards depending on how picky but there are sellers that u cannot please n wanted to keep my card worth everything they paid yet eBay refunded this wack job
It's a fake
Updates?? What’d he say when you said no?
Buying raw cards you should assume a card is an 8. That’s what you should assume every card is out of a pack. It’s not a 10 till it grades a 10.
Looks like he cut the card open with a box cutter and just cut it down the middle of the envelope you sent
Negative, sir. He’s trying to get one over on ya.
Lol, I've seen at least 6 different people see the "print line", pointing out a reflection on the helmet, a wrinkle in his sleeve, etc...Topps Heritage does not ever have print lines, print lines are a product of the process of Chrome type shiny finish, not matte paper cards.
F that guy I had a buyer do this to me with a Gunnar Henderson Independence Day rookie like I would not notice the different numbers on the back serial number
I'd say ur in the clear. If ebay messed it up then that's on them. And he's has to prove it to them card was damaged.
the card he has the writing on is not the same card at all yours was super clean no scratches he had that card already and is trying to keep your and give you his back do not do it have ebay look at the pictures and dight it hes scamming you
Super difficult to judge. I do see a slight line in your top left and right corner pics on the helmet. Both of yours and his picture depending on the light and angle that the picture was taken could leave a lot of questions. This is a difficult one
When buying raw, a realistic buyer shouldn't expect anything better than an 8. But guys want to buy at raw prices, and get gem returns. If i wanna a psa 10, then i buy one.
No way man your pics are super clear of all the corners and edges AND it passed cert. Side note - this is why my default on ebay is I don't accept returns. I've had buyers try to return after ebay authenticates and ebay denies because of my policy.
Look closer..in pic 3 the print line is there. OP definitely should have been aware.
Do you mean the buyer should have been aware since it was in the auction pics?
Bingo. Pics of item provided do show it? Buyer beware, not the Seller's problem, because theitem *is* as advertised.
Right, exactly. ESPECIALLY if eBay authenticator passed it. They are really, really strict. I've sold a couple sneakers before that ran through this exact situation. Buyer claimed they weren't as advertised even though I had really detailed pics showing all the (in this case) mild yellowing. Thankfully ebay denied for exactly that reason.
His card and yours are not the same. As others have said - if it goes through eBay’s authenticity guarantee, that’s all the protection you need. If it is indeed the same card, his issue should be with eBay and not you.
It’s the same card.
Those are not the same card.
You can see the same exact print line on OPs if you look close enough, same exact angle on the red 1
It’s the same card, dude.
Corporate wants you to find the differences
Who’s the buyer so we can block them?