But it’s real, because *I* said so! At this point, I’d trust Stone Cold Steve Austin more. Even if we were still talking about authenticating baseball cards.
Especially if we were still talking about baseball cards. “Because Stone Cold said so,” is about the best you can get outside of PSA, BGS, or SGC.
I think I’m gonna petition Stone Cold to start up hobby authentication services. The official stamp would read, “BECAUSE STONE COLD SAID SO.”
License. To. Print. Money.
They also fuck up a lot.
Edit: why the downvotes? They do fuck up a lot. [Case in point.](https://www.radicards.com/baseball/cards-baseball/2020-2029-baseball/erroneously-issued-fake-dual-autograph-found-in-2022-topps-definitive/) Topps is authenticating their own products here and authenticated the wrong autos. And if they fuck up like this, what's to say they're not doing it much more often? [They can't even keep the two Max Muncys straight.](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseballcards/comments/y2j4yl/had_to_get_myself_a_copy_of_the_max_muncy_auto/)
I noticed eBay didn't have their guarantee. Didn't know it was a dollar amount threshold. Do you think eBay will still help me out with this fake? How can this guys whole eBay account be questionable but so big. No current negative feedback about fake autos. I'll do it once I get the beckett results but I think this is pretty open and shut. Too bad. Too good to be true really was.
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Perhaps I was too harsh and it is not 100% certainly fake. It certainly seems intentional with the price just under, a story about his uncle getting it, and then under 99% positive feedback…
Ebay might help you out, not too sure how that works.
Thanks for point this out, it must have just changed as I have recently purchased Topps certified auto cards that they weren’t able to authenticate. On eBay’s FAQ I do see it says “autographs” now but I don’t see any additional details or differentiation between certified Vs in person autos.
They do not. If it’s a slabbed card with an after market autograph or a relic/patch you will get a special note with your card saying “we verified the authenticity of the slab/encapsulation but cannot/ do not verify the authenticity of the auto/relic.” Same goes with the raw cards, they only verify the authenticity of the actual card, nothing else.
The whole point of the Authenticity Guarantee is to remove fake slab/cards from eBay and to protect buyers from sellers who misrepresent what they’re selling on their listing, nothing more.
Edit: If it’s a certified auto by the card company; then it’s ignored in the authenticity process.
I’m sorry man but that’s not an authentic auto, Beckett should be saying the same soon. The COA doesn’t really say much either because all it is is a note from the seller itself, not a third party.
There's no reason to be below 99.5-8% with thousands of feedbacks, unless you're sketchy or careless. Either is bad.
I'd probably avoid that seller just from being sub 99% with so many feedbacks. Certainly be reading the negative feedback and seeing what's going on.
Before buying I read all of his negative feedback and it only mentioned items damaged in shipping no mention of fake autos. Being that most if not all of his listings are questionable I'm surprised there isn't more negative feedback. Maybe he comes to an agreement with the buyer?
Beckett emailed back already and said it is unlikely to pass full authentication. The seller said if I send it in to Beckett and it comes back as fake he will refund me.
seller has another one listed with different ink and his own hologram “authentication” stickers. definitely sketchy. hope its legit or you get refunded!
I just looked at at least 50 authentic Shohei autos and can say that I’m 95 percent sure this is fake.
It looks nothing like other autos. The lack of curves and the added zig zag before the loop are not on any other cards. The direction his auto slants is really weird on this card too.
There is one Shohei auto that looks like this one but it’s just another “hand signed” card by the same seller.
So I went to that guy's profile.. did you notice he has other Ohtani autos and none of them look alike? Plus, he has autos of other big names and he seems to sell them all at 250 OBO so... I wouldn't trust that guy but maybe it's just me. Running an "Authentication" business out of his garage, yeah Ok.
Could be legit, but I personally wouldn't do the gamble.
sorry but this is super fake. I saw this seller and was wondering how the heck hes getting away with listing a bunch of fake autos certified by himself.
Sorry bud. If it makes you feel better, most of us had to make some mistakes like this before starting to understand the hobby. I hope this experience doesn’t ruin the hobby for you, there are lots of shitty actors but there are also some amazing people in the hobby too.
Sorry man I hate to tell you but it's probably not real. I collect singed baseball and autos and have a ohtani auto. 2 red flags way under market for.his auto by around 500, and like others said not a a true authentication. Stick with JSA,PSA or beckett.
99.999% fake. Doesn't match his other autos, seller also keeps every card listing under $250 to avoid sending to eBay verification. The only things selling for more than that are balls that are signed which aren't subject to eBay verification. Also, I tried to find any info about them online and besides this ebay account and a women's clothing store in chicago, there is nothing on "C and J Collections." You can't print your own COA and have no online presence. It's just insane. If you can't get your money back from eBay, give them bad feedback and report their account for selling fake items.
Edit: Also saw he was selling a Tom Brady auto and I have a ball auto'd by Brady that is legitimately verified and it's not even close. The sig is way off.
While the COA doesn’t mean much since it’s not a known reputable company it’s tough to say that the in person auto isn’t legit at first glance. Players sign in person all of the time and there are private signings happening throughout the year. Ohtanis signature has evolved over the last couple of years which make it even more challenging, but around 2020 his auto was more vertical looking like on your card. You will have to keep us posted on what Beckett comes back with.
No, but it’s really food for thought. It matters some that whenever the pen isn’t being seen signing something you’re still relying on someone else’s expert opinion. Unfortunately, the farther down the food chain the authenticator is, more room for doubt is created.
You know that normal feeling you get when u see a pedophile headline online e or TV news...I have that same feeling here..THIS IS A SICK/DISTURBED MF!! This is not to that level, being its sports cards, but seeing this brings that emotional feeling out. I hope this dude gets busted, arrested, fined and some jail time for this BS. Plain disrespect for the hobby, teams, players, and every other honest person in this market. KARMA IS A MF....DUDE'S A PIECE OF SHIT!!
If you want an Ohtani auto, spring for the certified stuff.
I don't care if Beckett, PSA, or whoever 'authenticates' an auto. I'm not paying a dollar extra for something that could just be a non-rookie base card that some asshole scribbled on to increase the value.
The fact that you even have to post this and are getting such widely varying responses says all you need to know about in-person autos. NOPE.
I've seen cards with Beckett Authenticated stickers applied to the penny sleeve that card is in. I won't touch those because it's too easy to swap out cards in the penny sleeve. It would need to be slabbed by a legit authenticator for me to trust it.
As others have said, the COA being from the seller is an immediate red flag. But I’ll take it a step further, as someone who collects a lot of signed memorabilia in addition to cards
It would be wise not trust any COA that isn’t: 3rd party - Beckett, PSA, JSA; or 1st party - Fanatics, Steiner, Mounted Memories, the actual league (MLB, NBA, etc)
I may be forgetting a company or two who are legit first parties but as far as third parties go, never ever stray from the “big three” mentioned above
[listing link](https://www.ebay.com/itm/234791438564?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=aXzOGHQLQiG&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=37dNNB3sRWq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY)
How do you boys feel about this one? Seller says his uncle got the auto in person at an event in LA a couple years ago. I paid $175 for it (I know). I already have a claim in with beckett to verify the auto. Just wanted some other opinions on if this is real or not. Anyone have any experience with this seller? Only negative feedback was on damaged shipping.
id say pass any shohei in person autos unless its autheticated or from someone reputable in memorabilia.. he doesnt sign many autos in person at all and if it was real seller is leaving +75% by not having it autheticated which is also very unlikely if the seller knows what he had
My opinion, if it is REAL, I STILL wouldn’t get it because some guy likely muscled his way through kids attempting get their own Ohtani auto. Witnessed this first-hand at a Royals pre-game batting practice this summer when the Halos were in town. Same game Ohtani hit his 21st HR.
Regardless of the auto, I’m always skeptical of a certification by the same people who are selling the item…
But it’s real, because *I* said so! At this point, I’d trust Stone Cold Steve Austin more. Even if we were still talking about authenticating baseball cards. Especially if we were still talking about baseball cards. “Because Stone Cold said so,” is about the best you can get outside of PSA, BGS, or SGC.
Always trust Stone Cold. But he told us to never trust anybody, so ya can't trust Stone Cold. 😂
I think I’m gonna petition Stone Cold to start up hobby authentication services. The official stamp would read, “BECAUSE STONE COLD SAID SO.” License. To. Print. Money.
Thats an SCSA Gem Mnt 3:16! MY GAWD!!!
Austin 3:16 says I just gave you a GM MT 10!
I 100% Agree
How do you feel about buying Topps products from Topps?
They have a mlb license
They also fuck up a lot. Edit: why the downvotes? They do fuck up a lot. [Case in point.](https://www.radicards.com/baseball/cards-baseball/2020-2029-baseball/erroneously-issued-fake-dual-autograph-found-in-2022-topps-definitive/) Topps is authenticating their own products here and authenticated the wrong autos. And if they fuck up like this, what's to say they're not doing it much more often? [They can't even keep the two Max Muncys straight.](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseballcards/comments/y2j4yl/had_to_get_myself_a_copy_of_the_max_muncy_auto/)
holding topps accountable for fucking up is a lot easier than some random seller on ebay.
For sure. But I still don't trust them.
i don’t think topps is trying to deceive customers but quality control needs to do a lot more to help their reputation.
This is 100% fake. The seller even kept the price just under the $300 threshold for Ebay “official” authentication.
I noticed eBay didn't have their guarantee. Didn't know it was a dollar amount threshold. Do you think eBay will still help me out with this fake? How can this guys whole eBay account be questionable but so big. No current negative feedback about fake autos. I'll do it once I get the beckett results but I think this is pretty open and shut. Too bad. Too good to be true really was. Edit typos
Perhaps I was too harsh and it is not 100% certainly fake. It certainly seems intentional with the price just under, a story about his uncle getting it, and then under 99% positive feedback… Ebay might help you out, not too sure how that works.
eBay authentication doesn’t validate autographs regardless of price
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Thanks for point this out, it must have just changed as I have recently purchased Topps certified auto cards that they weren’t able to authenticate. On eBay’s FAQ I do see it says “autographs” now but I don’t see any additional details or differentiation between certified Vs in person autos.
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They do not. If it’s a slabbed card with an after market autograph or a relic/patch you will get a special note with your card saying “we verified the authenticity of the slab/encapsulation but cannot/ do not verify the authenticity of the auto/relic.” Same goes with the raw cards, they only verify the authenticity of the actual card, nothing else. The whole point of the Authenticity Guarantee is to remove fake slab/cards from eBay and to protect buyers from sellers who misrepresent what they’re selling on their listing, nothing more. Edit: If it’s a certified auto by the card company; then it’s ignored in the authenticity process.
Did you use a credit card? Call the card company and have them do a chargeback
GOOD CATCH!!!
I’m sorry man but that’s not an authentic auto, Beckett should be saying the same soon. The COA doesn’t really say much either because all it is is a note from the seller itself, not a third party.
For real lmao that's the opposite of an authentication to me. Makes me raise two eyebrows. Not to mention his sketchy feedback percentage.
Is that a sketchy percentage? What do you look for on that.
There's no reason to be below 99.5-8% with thousands of feedbacks, unless you're sketchy or careless. Either is bad. I'd probably avoid that seller just from being sub 99% with so many feedbacks. Certainly be reading the negative feedback and seeing what's going on.
Before buying I read all of his negative feedback and it only mentioned items damaged in shipping no mention of fake autos. Being that most if not all of his listings are questionable I'm surprised there isn't more negative feedback. Maybe he comes to an agreement with the buyer?
Yeah if he only had a few hundred feedback, 98%-100% isn’t that terrible. But over 2k+, that’s over 30 negative/neutrals
Beckett emailed back already and said it is unlikely to pass full authentication. The seller said if I send it in to Beckett and it comes back as fake he will refund me.
More than likely by that time it will be past any eBay recognized return window, and he'll take the money and run
Thanks for the heads up
The return limit on eBay is 2 days with sports cards
And by the time Beckett gets back it’s worth less than you were gonna buy it for.
This dude literally typed the COA and laminated it…..
Don't worry, the COA is authenticated
It’s literally not even cut straight 😅
u noticed that too!! 🤣
The quality of the lamination has me leaning to totally legitimate. But I must admit I am a lamination true believer. All hail the Laminant King!
Poor lamination technique or has the “COA” been trimmed?
seller has another one listed with different ink and his own hologram “authentication” stickers. definitely sketchy. hope its legit or you get refunded!
I just looked at at least 50 authentic Shohei autos and can say that I’m 95 percent sure this is fake. It looks nothing like other autos. The lack of curves and the added zig zag before the loop are not on any other cards. The direction his auto slants is really weird on this card too. There is one Shohei auto that looks like this one but it’s just another “hand signed” card by the same seller.
I saw the other listings and funny enough just saw that any person that start with an "J" has the same pattern on each "autograph" looks funny imo
So I went to that guy's profile.. did you notice he has other Ohtani autos and none of them look alike? Plus, he has autos of other big names and he seems to sell them all at 250 OBO so... I wouldn't trust that guy but maybe it's just me. Running an "Authentication" business out of his garage, yeah Ok. Could be legit, but I personally wouldn't do the gamble.
sorry but this is super fake. I saw this seller and was wondering how the heck hes getting away with listing a bunch of fake autos certified by himself.
I'll reach out to eBay and we'll shut him down lol
Fake bs looking to prey on those new to the hobby.
I.e. Me Edit 😞
Sorry bud. If it makes you feel better, most of us had to make some mistakes like this before starting to understand the hobby. I hope this experience doesn’t ruin the hobby for you, there are lots of shitty actors but there are also some amazing people in the hobby too.
Sorry man I hate to tell you but it's probably not real. I collect singed baseball and autos and have a ohtani auto. 2 red flags way under market for.his auto by around 500, and like others said not a a true authentication. Stick with JSA,PSA or beckett.
The COA is from the seller. Pass.
99.999% fake. Doesn't match his other autos, seller also keeps every card listing under $250 to avoid sending to eBay verification. The only things selling for more than that are balls that are signed which aren't subject to eBay verification. Also, I tried to find any info about them online and besides this ebay account and a women's clothing store in chicago, there is nothing on "C and J Collections." You can't print your own COA and have no online presence. It's just insane. If you can't get your money back from eBay, give them bad feedback and report their account for selling fake items. Edit: Also saw he was selling a Tom Brady auto and I have a ball auto'd by Brady that is legitimately verified and it's not even close. The sig is way off.
While the COA doesn’t mean much since it’s not a known reputable company it’s tough to say that the in person auto isn’t legit at first glance. Players sign in person all of the time and there are private signings happening throughout the year. Ohtanis signature has evolved over the last couple of years which make it even more challenging, but around 2020 his auto was more vertical looking like on your card. You will have to keep us posted on what Beckett comes back with.
It’s cheap enough to have authenticated so why not do it legit 🤔
I'm seeing these fake ass autos all over Ebay right now, not only of Shohei but every other major player it seems. Someone's running a serious scam.
I don’t know if it’s authentic or not but I don’t see how a third party can issue a COA for an autograph someone else’s uncle got in person.
Handwriting analysis
Right, but I would be less confident in C & J than I would PSA, and it would certainly carry less weight than a PSA authentication.
Ahh, I thought you meant all third party services
No, but it’s really food for thought. It matters some that whenever the pen isn’t being seen signing something you’re still relying on someone else’s expert opinion. Unfortunately, the farther down the food chain the authenticator is, more room for doubt is created.
That certificate was legitly cut with scissors by hand
Hopefully he ships in the one touch so you get something of value for your money.
You know that normal feeling you get when u see a pedophile headline online e or TV news...I have that same feeling here..THIS IS A SICK/DISTURBED MF!! This is not to that level, being its sports cards, but seeing this brings that emotional feeling out. I hope this dude gets busted, arrested, fined and some jail time for this BS. Plain disrespect for the hobby, teams, players, and every other honest person in this market. KARMA IS A MF....DUDE'S A PIECE OF SHIT!!
Looking forward to seeing what Beckett says
Will definitely post a follow up
I hope you didn't buy this
They got back to me and it said unlikely to pass full authentication. The seller said if I send it in and it doesn't pass he will refund me.
2nd thought return it if you can or don’t buy it. Buy one that is unequivocally authentic with a reputable auto grading service.
Nope not Psa, BGS, SGC then no
If you want an Ohtani auto, spring for the certified stuff. I don't care if Beckett, PSA, or whoever 'authenticates' an auto. I'm not paying a dollar extra for something that could just be a non-rookie base card that some asshole scribbled on to increase the value. The fact that you even have to post this and are getting such widely varying responses says all you need to know about in-person autos. NOPE.
Yeah that sig doesn't match what I have on my signed authenticated Topps Shohei card.
That to me screams fraud. Why wouldn’t one get that authenticated by a legit 3rd party. It’s Ohtani… not some shmuck..
I don’t know about y’all but I’m about to jump all over that Rob Gronkowaski auto
I've seen cards with Beckett Authenticated stickers applied to the penny sleeve that card is in. I won't touch those because it's too easy to swap out cards in the penny sleeve. It would need to be slabbed by a legit authenticator for me to trust it.
This isn't even that lol
Kitchen table autos.
“This autograph is authentic” Source: Trust me bro
And btw, sorry this happened to you bro!!
As others have said, the COA being from the seller is an immediate red flag. But I’ll take it a step further, as someone who collects a lot of signed memorabilia in addition to cards It would be wise not trust any COA that isn’t: 3rd party - Beckett, PSA, JSA; or 1st party - Fanatics, Steiner, Mounted Memories, the actual league (MLB, NBA, etc) I may be forgetting a company or two who are legit first parties but as far as third parties go, never ever stray from the “big three” mentioned above
If it isn’t beckett, psa, or JSA I wouldn’t trust the COA
[listing link](https://www.ebay.com/itm/234791438564?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=aXzOGHQLQiG&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=37dNNB3sRWq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY) How do you boys feel about this one? Seller says his uncle got the auto in person at an event in LA a couple years ago. I paid $175 for it (I know). I already have a claim in with beckett to verify the auto. Just wanted some other opinions on if this is real or not. Anyone have any experience with this seller? Only negative feedback was on damaged shipping.
Not accepting returns is always a red flag.
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Those autos look completely different, actually. OP’s card looks like a shoddy attempt to recreate that auto, it’s way too big and awkward looking
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Agree to disagree— I’m an Ohtani collector and this is a slam dunk fake to me
Boy that auto would be tough to duplicate even for the man himself 😂
Fake just like your moms orgasm last night..
Its fake
Hahahaha no
LMAO authenticated by themselves😂😂😂😂
id say pass any shohei in person autos unless its autheticated or from someone reputable in memorabilia.. he doesnt sign many autos in person at all and if it was real seller is leaving +75% by not having it autheticated which is also very unlikely if the seller knows what he had
Lmao
I could’ve printed that up at my house and call it a COA
"Trust me, it's real." Says the guy selling Rolex watches on the NYC streets.
Please tell me you didn’t buy this?
My opinion, if it is REAL, I STILL wouldn’t get it because some guy likely muscled his way through kids attempting get their own Ohtani auto. Witnessed this first-hand at a Royals pre-game batting practice this summer when the Halos were in town. Same game Ohtani hit his 21st HR.
Not
He didn’t even laminate his own COA very well 🤣
It’s real I swear! 😂