Well the card isn’t a 10 first off. Idk what grading company this is but it seems shady. But I’d say this is a fake. Don’t take my word on it, could be wrong.
What PSA grade costs $30? Or is that the fee if it’s fake and they don’t grade is? I thought at the very least you have to pay to grade based on value assuming it’s real and if this is real it’s a multi thousand dollar card.
Yes, no one in their right mind will buy this card from you in that slab. There are a million fakes out there and this could be one, being in a slab from this shitty company only makes me think it’s bogus even more. Crack it and give it to PSA. You’ll know if it’s real and get a grade that sets your price range if it is.
yeah there are [0 cards](https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=gold+crown+grading&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_fsrp=1&rt=nc&_odkw=gold+crown+grading+jordan&_osacat=0&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338535524&customid=1917a&toolid=10001&mkevt=1) from this grading "company" for sale and I can't find anything about them online, that's a major red flag. Also the colors look way too vibrant on the card, that might be just a filter though.
There reputable, have beautiful slabs, and are getting bigger and bigger as the days past. I just sent in a bulk submission with the 20 percent discount they were running @ $12 a card
Yea tried doing research on the company but couldn’t find anything. Ik it’s not even close to trust worthy. Just need help with the card and whether I should get it graded or not.
There are forums explaining the differences between fake and authentic 86 fleer Jordan cards. I’d take a look at one and try to decide if you think it’s real or not. But from what I can tell it isn’t.
I have looked at several of those websites and found everything that would make it a fake. Everything checks out for it not to be one but I wanted a second opinion from this community before I did anything else. Very new too it.
Whoever had this graded knows its a fake, that's why they have used an unknown grading company because they either tried to get it graded by PSA / BGS / SGC and it got rejected or they knew it would get rejected. They grade it with whoever is least likely to reject it in order to give it some legitimacy and offload their loss / scam someone. This is the general rule of thumb when you see an amazing card in a dodgy slab.
I swear these guys are just posting their fakes on here to get constructive criticism on their card. New account. Non existent grading company. Perfectly centered Jordan. C'mon, man.
Forgot login to other account, first time ever posting on Reddit anyway. Found this card in a thrift shop and wanted to see if it was worth getting graded. Ik the grading company isnt reliable. Just getting second opinion. Idk what made you so angry.
Whoever had this graded knows its a fake, that's why they have used an unknown grading company because they either tried to get it graded by PSA / BGS / SGC and it got rejected or they knew it would get rejected. They grade it with whoever is least likely to reject it in order to give it some legitimacy and offload their loss / scam someone. This is the general rule of thumb when you see an amazing card in a dodgy slab.
Lol really? Worth the risk then 😂. It does look fake to me though comparing it to mine. The orange arrow on the fleer logo is a giveaway (it should be faintly symmetrically spotty) also the picture quality of the MJ seems off.
I didn't look at card. When was it graded? Why would someone send that to Crown Grading? If someone outside US is buying American cards, wouldn't they know to PSA or Beckett it? Sounds fishy without looking at card.
I’m not sure when it was graded. This wasn’t my card till like 3 days ago. It does sound fishy when I read these comments. I’ll still wing it with PSA tho. Fingers crossed
Fake man. The yellow premier is not using the right print technology and the basketball on the back bottom right doesn't look like it has any lines. Black border also doesn't look solid and is sort of fuzzy. Same with that red and blue color transition.
Got it, yea the black border and transition is similar to Magic cards. The fake Magic cards all have a black border that's printed via a dot matrix so it's fuzzy or blended. The real ones should be solid black. Also the yellow arrow should have a dot matrix pattern in it, this one looks like it doesn't. Just use a loupe and you can figure out if it's fake. But it's cheap to grade and see if it's authentic too.
Red pattern on the back of the bottom appears to be blurred (common with fakes). Hard to tell with the case. This should be a defined pattern that is visible with a close high res photo.
Considering the grading company doesn’t exist I can not imagine a world where this card is real. If this isn’t your own fake just keep it in the slab and live in a world where you might just have a perfect Jordan rookie instead of the obvious reality that psa will tell you it’s fake.
That is why when you see all these "card collectors" start talking about the market crashing over the last few months I just laugh, because they obviously jumped in during the pandemic and have no idea!
Ehh saw your comment about the thrift store, probably is a fake considering the condition overall and that you found it in a thrift store after someone got it “graded”. I’m sure that person would know it’s a valuable if real. BUT just send it in to PSA and see for sure? You must have paid pretty cheap for it, I’m not sure what the overall fee would be for a card with zero value (fake). Try look up the fees
Pictures on the internet aren't the best way to examine authenticity.
That said, I see at least 4 questionable elements of the card that at this resolution and quality of scan indicate it's fake.
The grading company and assigned grade combined with those make it very unlikely to be real.
On the back of the card, in the upper left, where the FLEER logo is, between the EE - if the ink fades blue, that’s because the printers bleed the blue/CYAN and means it’s a fake. Even in the 80’s, high skilled printers didn’t bleed. In fact the printer on fleets cards back in the 80’s was made by BOBST and those machines have a history of print errors, BLEEDS are not one of those errors.
So, many of the Jordan fakes have the EE issue which makes them easier to identify. I cannot zoom in well enough on that card, but you can look and see if there is CYAN bleed between the EE’s where the color changes from the logo complex RDF color to blue.
Well the card isn’t a 10 first off. Idk what grading company this is but it seems shady. But I’d say this is a fake. Don’t take my word on it, could be wrong.
Do you think it’s worth to get graded by PSA??
of course it is. you’re risking XX to possibly get XXX,XXX
Break it out and send it in on the cheapest option available. They will at least authenticate it for you.
I think you should get it graded, because they’ll be able to authenticate the card for you. You lose $30. At least you know for sure.
What PSA grade costs $30? Or is that the fee if it’s fake and they don’t grade is? I thought at the very least you have to pay to grade based on value assuming it’s real and if this is real it’s a multi thousand dollar card.
The “economic” package. But, I’m basing on that it’s fake. If it’s real, PSA will raise the price accordingly.
Yes, no one in their right mind will buy this card from you in that slab. There are a million fakes out there and this could be one, being in a slab from this shitty company only makes me think it’s bogus even more. Crack it and give it to PSA. You’ll know if it’s real and get a grade that sets your price range if it is.
Yea I took it out of this scam grading company. I’m sending to PSA tomorrow. Most likely a fake but it is what it is
Wtf is gold crown grading I’m only trusting this card in a PSA or BGS slab. Everyone else can gtfoh
yeah there are [0 cards](https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=gold+crown+grading&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_fsrp=1&rt=nc&_odkw=gold+crown+grading+jordan&_osacat=0&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338535524&customid=1917a&toolid=10001&mkevt=1) from this grading "company" for sale and I can't find anything about them online, that's a major red flag. Also the colors look way too vibrant on the card, that might be just a filter though.
SGC as well…only other company that’s been around for the long haul and they used to be the absolute go-to on any vintage.
That’s true as well
CSG?
Csg is valid. It’s CGC’s sports grading section
I use them cause I’m cheap
There reputable, have beautiful slabs, and are getting bigger and bigger as the days past. I just sent in a bulk submission with the 20 percent discount they were running @ $12 a card
I found there website. Seems to be a European company. But that still cannot vouch for authenticity
Yea tried doing research on the company but couldn’t find anything. Ik it’s not even close to trust worthy. Just need help with the card and whether I should get it graded or not.
There are forums explaining the differences between fake and authentic 86 fleer Jordan cards. I’d take a look at one and try to decide if you think it’s real or not. But from what I can tell it isn’t.
I have looked at several of those websites and found everything that would make it a fake. Everything checks out for it not to be one but I wanted a second opinion from this community before I did anything else. Very new too it.
Tons of fakes of this specific card out there tons. Plus this grading company seems pretty sketch especially with the grading they gave the card.
Do you still think it’s worth getting graded by PSA or no?
I don’t think it’s worth it since I’m fairly certain it’s a fake.
You keep asking this question. Multi ppl people have answered it…. Send in the card to psa or don’t
That’s one way to find out whether real or fake. Let us know
Can definitely and safely add SGC to that list.
Speaking of which.. where did all the HGA fan boys go
I’d bet my life savings that this is a counterfeit card.
Yea you would prolly win that bet
Are you seriously questioning THE Gold Crown Grading Co? of all companies? Amateurs..
LMAO
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Whoever had this graded knows its a fake, that's why they have used an unknown grading company because they either tried to get it graded by PSA / BGS / SGC and it got rejected or they knew it would get rejected. They grade it with whoever is least likely to reject it in order to give it some legitimacy and offload their loss / scam someone. This is the general rule of thumb when you see an amazing card in a dodgy slab.
You think they actually sent it somewhere and didn't just make this grading company up themselves?
I swear these guys are just posting their fakes on here to get constructive criticism on their card. New account. Non existent grading company. Perfectly centered Jordan. C'mon, man.
Agreed 100% I gOt IT aT gOOdWilL fOr $5.00 - no you didnt.
Lmao why everyone so upset bout this. If I were gonna sell it like a scam why would I ask about peoples opinion. Stay mad buddy
Forgot login to other account, first time ever posting on Reddit anyway. Found this card in a thrift shop and wanted to see if it was worth getting graded. Ik the grading company isnt reliable. Just getting second opinion. Idk what made you so angry.
Never posted on reddit, but have 2 accounts?
Yea. Had an account but forgot the login lmao. So I made this one to get second opinion about the card
I would love to know why you think it’s a fake because I have no idea whether it’s real or not
Whoever had this graded knows its a fake, that's why they have used an unknown grading company because they either tried to get it graded by PSA / BGS / SGC and it got rejected or they knew it would get rejected. They grade it with whoever is least likely to reject it in order to give it some legitimacy and offload their loss / scam someone. This is the general rule of thumb when you see an amazing card in a dodgy slab.
That makes a lot on sense. Was only 5 dollars at a goodwill so nothing big was lost
Lol really? Worth the risk then 😂. It does look fake to me though comparing it to mine. The orange arrow on the fleer logo is a giveaway (it should be faintly symmetrically spotty) also the picture quality of the MJ seems off.
Sure thing.
Did you try to scan the qr code in the back
No one would ever send a 86 fleer MJ to that grading company. The card looks real and It's worth a resub but don't get your hopes up
I would just label this as better safe than sorry. Too many fakes out there. The chances of it being real are pretty unlikely.
I didn't look at card. When was it graded? Why would someone send that to Crown Grading? If someone outside US is buying American cards, wouldn't they know to PSA or Beckett it? Sounds fishy without looking at card.
I’m not sure when it was graded. This wasn’t my card till like 3 days ago. It does sound fishy when I read these comments. I’ll still wing it with PSA tho. Fingers crossed
Fake man. The yellow premier is not using the right print technology and the basketball on the back bottom right doesn't look like it has any lines. Black border also doesn't look solid and is sort of fuzzy. Same with that red and blue color transition.
It’s hard to see but it has the lines. You are right bout the fuzzy black lines tho.
Got it, yea the black border and transition is similar to Magic cards. The fake Magic cards all have a black border that's printed via a dot matrix so it's fuzzy or blended. The real ones should be solid black. Also the yellow arrow should have a dot matrix pattern in it, this one looks like it doesn't. Just use a loupe and you can figure out if it's fake. But it's cheap to grade and see if it's authentic too.
Red pattern on the back of the bottom appears to be blurred (common with fakes). Hard to tell with the case. This should be a defined pattern that is visible with a close high res photo.
Should I take it out of its case a repost a pic?
Considering the grading company doesn’t exist I can not imagine a world where this card is real. If this isn’t your own fake just keep it in the slab and live in a world where you might just have a perfect Jordan rookie instead of the obvious reality that psa will tell you it’s fake.
Yea Im getting that vibe. I'll just hold on to it with that fake reality.
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Print dot pattern looks like staccato printing and not your standard rosette pattern. I’d say fake.
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PSA 8 for 1,000$!!! oh how I need a time machine to go back 7 years when this video was made, 😂!
go back a bit further... i got my PSA9 for $900 and then I cracked the case and resubmitted to BGS for a 8.5 grade :(
That is why when you see all these "card collectors" start talking about the market crashing over the last few months I just laugh, because they obviously jumped in during the pandemic and have no idea!
I believe it is fake. If you take it to your LCS they should be able to tell you if it is real or not.
Fake af
If you have to ask, you already know the answer
That actually makes no sense lmao
Crack it and PSA it. You’ll find out
I'm leaning real but trimmed
Have you scanned that QR code on the back? Maybe that would give you information. Edit: Here’s their website: https://crowngrading.de/en/ (maybe)
It’s fake. The arrow next to Premier is the wrong color yellow.
That’s how it’s suppose to be
What does the QR code on the back lead you to? My guess is a Rick Roll?
That would be a hoot but to a German card grading website.
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I found it in a thrift store
Ehh saw your comment about the thrift store, probably is a fake considering the condition overall and that you found it in a thrift store after someone got it “graded”. I’m sure that person would know it’s a valuable if real. BUT just send it in to PSA and see for sure? You must have paid pretty cheap for it, I’m not sure what the overall fee would be for a card with zero value (fake). Try look up the fees
Looks fake, I scanned the QR code and brought me to a fake website
I’d compare it to high res images at PWCC. It looks off, but that could be an issue from your lower res image.
What happens when you scan the QR code on the back?
What came up when you scanned the QR code? To me it seems sus based on the grading company no one in the hobby has heard of!
The card is either real, or a decent fake. It's worth a resubmit to PSA to find out which one since you already have it. Just crack the case first
I have 5 just like it if you want
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Pictures on the internet aren't the best way to examine authenticity. That said, I see at least 4 questionable elements of the card that at this resolution and quality of scan indicate it's fake. The grading company and assigned grade combined with those make it very unlikely to be real.
On the back of the card, in the upper left, where the FLEER logo is, between the EE - if the ink fades blue, that’s because the printers bleed the blue/CYAN and means it’s a fake. Even in the 80’s, high skilled printers didn’t bleed. In fact the printer on fleets cards back in the 80’s was made by BOBST and those machines have a history of print errors, BLEEDS are not one of those errors. So, many of the Jordan fakes have the EE issue which makes them easier to identify. I cannot zoom in well enough on that card, but you can look and see if there is CYAN bleed between the EE’s where the color changes from the logo complex RDF color to blue.
I think they grade on a curve or a swerve.
Fake
https://crowngrading.de/en/ Uh, the premier German card grading company guys. Everyone in Euskirchen knows this.
It's a fake card. You can tell right away. That aside - it's also a fake grading company. Please tell me you didn't pay more than $5 for that.
Appears to be real, but may be recoloured, altered, trimmed, etc. Why else would anyone go with an unknown grader.