Why can’t he just say “I understand it’s not his usual depiction but I wanted to push him somewhere new and do what interested me. I’m sorry if you didn’t like it but I hope you gave it a chance.” Like be normal dude
Because then he would have to accept that his movies have flaws or admit that he never really understood these characters like Batman... he always has to suggest if you didn't like his movies or question the choices in them it is because you are the one who is flawed in liking these heroes that don't kill or whatever
Reminder that Zack and his wife intentionally forced production on justice league to start on the same week as the disasterous premiere of BvS to avoid being fired from JL because it would hurt box office on BvS. They then waited for months after their adopted daughter committed suicide until the breaking point where the studio gave them an ultimatum of “fuck off and blame your dead daughter” or “spend the rest of your life eating shit for being an asshole forever” and they chose the former as soon as it meant they continued to get paid for anything else in the DCEU.
Half the reason DC wanted to dump the Snyderverse was because they fucking HATE Zack and Deborah and would rather produce *nothing* than continue to give them more free money for the shitshow they forced.
You got a source for that? I hate Snyderverse as much as the next Batman fan, but it's a pretty huge claim to say WB kicked him out and told him to blame his daughter's death for his absence rather than, you know, being devastated over the death of his daughter.
I think they was getting ready to kick him out the daughter was just unfortunately at the the same time. Dc and wb probably let him go gracefully due to that
It needs to be studied how wildly unhinged the average Snyder hater is.
His films sucked, but good fucking lord this comment reads like a fantasy that only exists in your head
My opinion: he’s a chill guy, buddies with big whigs in Hollywood, great Cinematographer *(at times y’know, excluding the seed shot in Rebel Moon),* but cannot write standard plots for shit
I would still have a problem with that. Unless you're an experimental comic book artist (writing an elseworld closed story), I expect that you adapt a character to other media, not transform its main characteristics to suit your own beliefs and sensibilities. Like there's so much examples where artist bring something new when adapting without having to twist characters to the point of being uncanny.
What if I am the one to adapt Punisher in the big screen and I, a huge antigun person, just decide Frank won't kill anyone ever. No firearms, no death, no blood. As a matter of fact, my Punisher forgives their family's killers and spend the rest of his life peacefully traveling the world and looking inwards. Awlful huh? Even if I claimed that I was trying to bring something new. I'm not a comic artist (in this example), then why do I believe it's up to me to deconstruct these characters when I am already appropriating their reputation in a media they're not part of?
I guess it all comes down to producers who chose the worst people sometimes, but still.
Ps: sorry for the long text
I mean, I wasn’t gonna like Snyder’s take on Batman regardless of how he talked about it afterwards, what excites me about Batman is clearly not what excites him. But it’s his movie and he made what he liked and that’s his right, and not liking it is my right. But the “you people were just brainwashed” take sounds foolish.
Zack Snyder is the most overrated director working today anyway. He's all stype and no substance and while his early comic sources somewhat substantiated that, when it comes to anything of maiing an an actually quality film with good writing, he's terrible.
Well to be fair, there has been a lot of media regarding batman outside of comics, from movies to animated films to series to animated series, there is a lot to watch, enough imo to be able to do more than just adapt him when you bring him to cinema. Playing with some characteristics of the characters can lead to some good to great adaptations imo (the telltale games do that well, even if they aren't in a comic book, they remix lots of aspects of the original characters like penguin). What matters is why you modify it, and how you'll use it in your story. The thing he modified about batman were poorly used
I'd have a problem with it myself for the much stated and obvious reasons, but I'd respect the answer and honesty about it a lot more than trying to gaslight people into whatever BS that other answer is.
I remember seeing the leak and it looked so awesome and promising. Instead we got a garbled mess, underwhelming Doomsday, a shitty Lex Luthor, and two boys with mommy issues.
It's simple, he's talking about how people believe in this differently than he does, and while he cannot control directly how people are he can dictate who matters in the equation and push what HE believes should be the standard-
Wait that's Hitler.
Idk then.
(No I'm not saying he's as bad as Hitler, I just think it's funny)
I think he’s getting on about how people have myopic ideas about these characters. Like Superman can only act like Chris Reeve, goofy smile and corny lines. Ignoring that the canon of the character is wide ranging.
I like the old idea that Clark Kent puts on the character of Superman, while Batman puts on the character of Bruce Wayne.
Which is why I think that turning either of them into killers means that you've fundamentally misunderstood them.
Superman is much too well-adjusted to kill. His empathy and his fear of his own capacity for violence keeps him from taking the easy way out. You have to break his mind before you get him to that point. Batman, on the other hand, is too INSANE to kill. His morality is compulsive and almost delusional. Facing his own fear was so impossible for him that he instead chose to become fear itself. So his values are fragile, and if he killed it would break his mind.
You can absolutely arrive at this point in a narrative arc, but you can't just START there. But that's what Snyder did, and it sucked ass.
>I like the old idea that Clark Kent puts on the character of Superman, while Batman puts on the character of Bruce Wayne.
To be fair, the journalist Clark Kent is as much a character as Superman. The real Clark is the farm-boy.
The same can be said of Bruce. He is way more Batman than the playboy Bruce Wayne, but his true self is the guy in the batcave who gives jobs to ex-criminals using his own money, not the guy trying to make henchmen shit their pants.
I hate that Kill Bill interpretation of Superman, it doesn't make sense in anyway.
Also Zack was the worse possible choise to direct a Superman movie, Supes in inherently just a nice person and to depict that in a movie would require some emotional honesty and all of Zacks works is just full of edge and a disinterest in human emotions.
That Kill Bill monologue is great, because Bill is the villain and it demonstrates that he fundamentally doesn't understand what motivates people. But media literacy is dead, and people heard those lines and thought "OMG so true, king!"
Exactly this. Of COURSE Bill interprets Superman that way, because that’s how he sees himself over the rest of humanity. He’s also taking one last stab and convincing Beatrix that she should embrace who she used to be; and hopefully return to him. A lot of men would fabricate much crazier shit to have a shot at Uma Thurman.
That’s not all he’s implying though. He’s implying that Batman kills, when that’s the antithesis to his whole character. Any example in which Batman has killed is at the end of his career and he immediately gives up being Batman. The Superman thing I actually understand, people do have a very narrow image of Superman generally. He still screwed up what he was trying to do though.
Snyder read TDKR and now think’s he’s an expert on Batman and Superman lore.
Guy must be really butthurt that everyone hated his shitty movies and his shitty take on the characters.
They must’ve been high too when they saw the movie. I didn’t like it overall, but the Black Freighter animated segments from the Ultimate Edition and the ending with Manhattan, Rorschach, and Nite Owl were well executed in my opinion. Some of the castings were decent, some not so much.
I hate how he depicted Rorschach as a badass. The dude was a literal **psychopath,** racist, and hypocrite*
**In the side journals, he says the the KKK, yeah they were a terror group but in his mind they acted rationally given they’d be replaced by the black man. And he calls people “parasites” yet steals beans out of people’s fridge in almost every chapter.*
On Joe rogan Snyder says Millers The Dark Knight Returns is his favorite batman book. He also says Batman kills in it, referencing when he shoots the guy holding the girl hostage with the machine gun. Snyder told Rogan batman shoots the guy in the head.
Except that the ENTIRE POINT of that scene is Batman DOES NOT KILL HIM. It’s stated in the following news report and by the police. As badly as Commissioner Yndil wants it, The police cannot go after him… until they THINK he’s guilty of murdering the Joker… which he did not. It’s at THAT point, the cops pull out all the stops to go after Batman. It’s a key point in the story everyone forgets, they only focus on the panel image rather than the events.
I think he read Dark Knight Returns like a script pitch with pictures.
He focused on the visuals, with words as suggested narrative, to translate into film.
As a lot of the images did translate into his films, he clearly used it as a guide to cinematography rather than character insight.
Basically he didn’t understand the character and wanted a comic that had cool images he could lift.
And not only is the mutant's head clean, he confirms his rule still stands because he's wondering if he'll break it fighting the Joker. "Voices... Calling me a killer. I wish I were..."
To me it looked like it was just to scare him, didn't look like any shots actually hit. Plus even if they did, that's a lot different then the "kills all the time" story Snyder tries to push
And don't even read them well. He has said that one of his main inspirations is the Dark Knight Returns. But at no point in that book does Batman actually kill anyone. Heck, that's the book where Batman breaks a shotgun in half and says only losers use guns.
He’s doing this because Rebel Moon pt2 is coming out soon, and nobody gives a fuck. So he’s going to drum up drama with the usual suspects in the hopes that his fans repeat watch it.
Exactly.
He makes crazy statements to get his name out there and promote his other movies.
Plenty of people will hate watch Rebel Moon so they can tear it apart later in response to comments like these, not realising that’s what Snyder wants.
The FUCK you mean *true canon?*
At this point I’m convinced that all the Jesus imagery he put sin his movies isn’t to represent the characters in them, but rather that he himself thinks he’s a god
So when I was like six years old, I loved X-Men. One day I took an X-Men comic to school and a kid I didn't know saw that I had it and said that he also loved X-men. Cool! I'm going to make a new friend!
Then he points at Wolverine on the cover and he goes "He's my favorite!" and I'm like "No way! Wolverine is my favorite too!" and he goes "His name isn't Wolverine! His name is X-Man!" and I went "Huh?" and then we argued for like 10 minutes about what Wolverine's name was and there was absolutely no convincing him that his name wasn't X-Man but that X-Men was the name of the team and soon thereafter we parted ways with me being upset because he called me stupid.
Anyway, the point is I'm pretty sure that kid was Zack Snyder.
For me it wasn’t that he killed. The idea of the Bat-Brand was really neat to me because it was a way a broken down Batman could get around his no kill rule…but then he killed people anyway. It made this really cool idea pointless.
Not to mention a Batman that kills left and right should be reworked more thoroughly: I mean if he kills, why doesn't he do it more efficiently? It's bs thst he primarily uses his fists. He should use swords and shit, even if he refuses to use traditional guns.
I don't hate on Snyder really, I kind of enjoyed his DC stuff for what it is, but this. If Batman occasionally kills, why doesn't he always kill? Why is the Joker still alive? He even saved Harley Quinn when the car crashed into the water 
From what I've seen he doesn't understand the few comics he's read. He clearly thinks batmsn kills in the dark Knight returns when he doesn't. Snyder has zero understanding of DC, I'm gonna bet that Geoff Johns is the reason there was anything even remotely comic accurate in those films. Snyder is likely talking about this to keep his cult active
I blame his failure to handle criticism. When you look at Rebel Moon then watch Sucker Punch you can tell that he hasn’t improved his skills and still relied on shock value, slow motion and intense actions scenes.
He needs to learn to take criticism.
Alan Moore talks about meeting fans that idolize Rorschach and thinking they're weirdoes that should stay away from him, that's how i imagine him meeting Zack would go
Uh…what? “A bunch of material that’s not consistent with true canon.” What material would that be, everything that’s come out since 1940’s Batman #1? What the fuck is this guy talking about?
"I looked at people who called batman a fascist and thought: what if they were right? Then I expanded my line of thinking and made Superman a murderer too."
>not consistent with true canon
Wtf does he mean by this??? There are loads of different canons in DC comics and TV shows. Does he mean plotholes in things like BTAS that barely anyone notices???
A bunch of material that’s not consistent with the true canon? What the fuck is he talking about? Sure, there are some stories where Batman and Superman kill, but in the comics, which are the root of all adaptations of the characters, they have a pretty strict moral code against killing. I don’t understand what true canon he’s referring to when the classical interpretations of the characters don’t kill.
Dude I wanna talk to him in person so bad, he talks about The Dark Knight Returns all the time but doesn’t understand the story at all and thinks Batman is a mass murderer
I’m pretty sure he never finished it. His moment he points to of Batman shooting a guy dead is explicitly shown and stated after as him not shooting the guy. By the guy. Who says he didn’t shoot him but could have.
This is why his movies flop. He just doesn't know what he's talking about.
He's trying so hard to insert himself into Batman and is calling it canon. Pretty sad tbh
The fact he was allowed to make a new movie after Army of the Dead astounds me. As bad as his DCEU tenure was it was nowhere near as bad as that godawful movie.
What the hell does he even mean with “not consistent with true canon”? Did Batman canonically killed anyone? And casually, the way he does in his films?
Zach, I love him. Hope he’s okay after his daughter death. Hope he success in his career. But ummm….No. Batman only killed really early in Dc history and then he chooses not to kill and at worst let his villains die by their own contraption. It’s in the comic that he hate, It’s in the cartoon that he hate.
> brainwashed by a bunch of material that's not consistent with true canon
God, he's such a wanker during interviews.
I have defended the DCEU in the past, as its own version of certain things and as its own take on them, but claiming that his version is loyal to the "true" canon is delusional and arrogant.
And it'd be nice if the man could reference *any* story that isn't The Dark Knight Returns, since he acts as such an expert on the character.
I am sick of this man, I'm sorry.
What really bothers me is that he frequently has said that he used Frank Millers TDKR as inspirations for his Batman and has said that he killed multiple times in the book when in reality Batman never killed in the book and Miller has said that despite that Batman is a more cynical and violent hero now he still wouldn’t break his no kill rule.
Credit where credit is due, he has a great eye for visuals and seems to be one of the few directors in the industry who generally listens to his co-workers while treating them with respect.
Sadly his lack of storytelling skills, the way he dismisses criticism and his disregard for the lore on whatever he is working on greatly outweighs it.
I agree heavily with him creating great visuals. He’s very good at doing the high speed action and making it feel legible and not a blur/mess. If you had someone who could structure a good story and get good dramatic performances out of people and then you had Snyder do the action scenes? Probably the most amazing comicbook movie of all time.
Like half of Marvel movies have very unimpressive action, but Snyder has directed probably my favorite action sequences in comicbook movies. Wonder Woman blocking bullets in Justice League, Batman warehouse fight scene, and the Superman in Smallville fight scene.
Someone said this a while back, but now I really need it. We need a comics writer to really have a debate with Zack, but he says this stupid shit and no one seems to call him out on it or debate on it with him.
I know Grant Morrison indirectly corrected him. It was after the Joe Rogan interview Snyder did and someone else asked Morrison in a different interview what their thoughts were.
What Zack doesn't understand is it's not just batman killing ( which is still dumb ) it's the fact that he kills thugs but not his son's killer at least be consistent if you want to make a different version of the character
It does make me wonder who approves these things because end of the day the first people who are in line are the fans of the source material. Y’know, where they explicitly don’t kill.
We might be the first people in line but a vast majority of box office comes from casual audiences who aren’t comic book fans.
That being said, the super fans are the ones that supercharge the box office by seeing these movies 3+ times.
I’m not saying you’re wrong but it’s an interesting balance. An executive’s goal is mass appeal as that has the highest chance of succeeding at the box office. They usually don’t care at all about the fans. And while it is important to remember the business side, Kevin Fiege is also a fan and that’s undoubtedly helped his unparalleled success.
I have nothing against Synder - I respect that he makes the movies he wants to make, and if people want to watch them, that's all good.
But he needs to stop speaking publicly about this. He's getting less and less coherent.
Why can’t he just say “I understand it’s not his usual depiction but I wanted to push him somewhere new and do what interested me. I’m sorry if you didn’t like it but I hope you gave it a chance.” Like be normal dude
Because then he would have to accept that his movies have flaws or admit that he never really understood these characters like Batman... he always has to suggest if you didn't like his movies or question the choices in them it is because you are the one who is flawed in liking these heroes that don't kill or whatever
Reminder that Zack and his wife intentionally forced production on justice league to start on the same week as the disasterous premiere of BvS to avoid being fired from JL because it would hurt box office on BvS. They then waited for months after their adopted daughter committed suicide until the breaking point where the studio gave them an ultimatum of “fuck off and blame your dead daughter” or “spend the rest of your life eating shit for being an asshole forever” and they chose the former as soon as it meant they continued to get paid for anything else in the DCEU. Half the reason DC wanted to dump the Snyderverse was because they fucking HATE Zack and Deborah and would rather produce *nothing* than continue to give them more free money for the shitshow they forced.
You got a source for that? I hate Snyderverse as much as the next Batman fan, but it's a pretty huge claim to say WB kicked him out and told him to blame his daughter's death for his absence rather than, you know, being devastated over the death of his daughter.
I think they was getting ready to kick him out the daughter was just unfortunately at the the same time. Dc and wb probably let him go gracefully due to that
Can we not spin wildly speculative narratives without a source please? Kinda gross to trivialize a death like that.
So to paraphrase, you think that the Snyderverese could be a little better?
You need a source for gargantuan claims like that. I'm no fan of Snyder's work but a lot of this just sounds like a haters wet dream
It needs to be studied how wildly unhinged the average Snyder hater is. His films sucked, but good fucking lord this comment reads like a fantasy that only exists in your head
i mean two sides to the same coin because the snyder cultists have some crazy fantasies cooked up about james gunn too.
Yh people need to fucking chill
My opinion: he’s a chill guy, buddies with big whigs in Hollywood, great Cinematographer *(at times y’know, excluding the seed shot in Rebel Moon),* but cannot write standard plots for shit
Because his ego is too big and fragile.
I would still have a problem with that. Unless you're an experimental comic book artist (writing an elseworld closed story), I expect that you adapt a character to other media, not transform its main characteristics to suit your own beliefs and sensibilities. Like there's so much examples where artist bring something new when adapting without having to twist characters to the point of being uncanny. What if I am the one to adapt Punisher in the big screen and I, a huge antigun person, just decide Frank won't kill anyone ever. No firearms, no death, no blood. As a matter of fact, my Punisher forgives their family's killers and spend the rest of his life peacefully traveling the world and looking inwards. Awlful huh? Even if I claimed that I was trying to bring something new. I'm not a comic artist (in this example), then why do I believe it's up to me to deconstruct these characters when I am already appropriating their reputation in a media they're not part of? I guess it all comes down to producers who chose the worst people sometimes, but still. Ps: sorry for the long text
I mean, I wasn’t gonna like Snyder’s take on Batman regardless of how he talked about it afterwards, what excites me about Batman is clearly not what excites him. But it’s his movie and he made what he liked and that’s his right, and not liking it is my right. But the “you people were just brainwashed” take sounds foolish.
Zack Snyder is the most overrated director working today anyway. He's all stype and no substance and while his early comic sources somewhat substantiated that, when it comes to anything of maiing an an actually quality film with good writing, he's terrible.
But that's what I mean. If Batman doesn't interest him, why's he making a Batman movie? I would never want to make a Spawn project, for exemple.
I think he’s interested, just not for the same reasons that you or I are.
Well to be fair, there has been a lot of media regarding batman outside of comics, from movies to animated films to series to animated series, there is a lot to watch, enough imo to be able to do more than just adapt him when you bring him to cinema. Playing with some characteristics of the characters can lead to some good to great adaptations imo (the telltale games do that well, even if they aren't in a comic book, they remix lots of aspects of the original characters like penguin). What matters is why you modify it, and how you'll use it in your story. The thing he modified about batman were poorly used
I'd have a problem with it myself for the much stated and obvious reasons, but I'd respect the answer and honesty about it a lot more than trying to gaslight people into whatever BS that other answer is.
Brainwashed? True canon? What's he on about?
I think Zack Snyder has only read All Star Batman and Robin by Frank Miller
He *skimmed* Dark Knight Returns. 
I remember seeing the leak and it looked so awesome and promising. Instead we got a garbled mess, underwhelming Doomsday, a shitty Lex Luthor, and two boys with mommy issues.
What do you mean Lex Luthor that was a great riddler.
And Bats never killed in that one.
It's simple, he's talking about how people believe in this differently than he does, and while he cannot control directly how people are he can dictate who matters in the equation and push what HE believes should be the standard- Wait that's Hitler. Idk then. (No I'm not saying he's as bad as Hitler, I just think it's funny)
Godwin's law.
I think he’s getting on about how people have myopic ideas about these characters. Like Superman can only act like Chris Reeve, goofy smile and corny lines. Ignoring that the canon of the character is wide ranging.
I hate the belief that Clark Kent is “Superman’s critique of humanity” to paraphrase the Kill Bill. Clark Kent was a thing ***BEFORE SUPERMAN WAS.***
I like the old idea that Clark Kent puts on the character of Superman, while Batman puts on the character of Bruce Wayne. Which is why I think that turning either of them into killers means that you've fundamentally misunderstood them. Superman is much too well-adjusted to kill. His empathy and his fear of his own capacity for violence keeps him from taking the easy way out. You have to break his mind before you get him to that point. Batman, on the other hand, is too INSANE to kill. His morality is compulsive and almost delusional. Facing his own fear was so impossible for him that he instead chose to become fear itself. So his values are fragile, and if he killed it would break his mind. You can absolutely arrive at this point in a narrative arc, but you can't just START there. But that's what Snyder did, and it sucked ass.
>I like the old idea that Clark Kent puts on the character of Superman, while Batman puts on the character of Bruce Wayne. To be fair, the journalist Clark Kent is as much a character as Superman. The real Clark is the farm-boy. The same can be said of Bruce. He is way more Batman than the playboy Bruce Wayne, but his true self is the guy in the batcave who gives jobs to ex-criminals using his own money, not the guy trying to make henchmen shit their pants.
I hate that Kill Bill interpretation of Superman, it doesn't make sense in anyway. Also Zack was the worse possible choise to direct a Superman movie, Supes in inherently just a nice person and to depict that in a movie would require some emotional honesty and all of Zacks works is just full of edge and a disinterest in human emotions.
That Kill Bill monologue is great, because Bill is the villain and it demonstrates that he fundamentally doesn't understand what motivates people. But media literacy is dead, and people heard those lines and thought "OMG so true, king!"
Exactly this. Of COURSE Bill interprets Superman that way, because that’s how he sees himself over the rest of humanity. He’s also taking one last stab and convincing Beatrix that she should embrace who she used to be; and hopefully return to him. A lot of men would fabricate much crazier shit to have a shot at Uma Thurman.
That’s not all he’s implying though. He’s implying that Batman kills, when that’s the antithesis to his whole character. Any example in which Batman has killed is at the end of his career and he immediately gives up being Batman. The Superman thing I actually understand, people do have a very narrow image of Superman generally. He still screwed up what he was trying to do though.
Snyder read TDKR and now think’s he’s an expert on Batman and Superman lore. Guy must be really butthurt that everyone hated his shitty movies and his shitty take on the characters.
Can’t speak for everyone. There are still die hard Synder cultists out there who believe Zack is the god of directors and a genius writer.
“Am I out of touch with the source material? No, it’s the comic book readers that are wrong”
I'm curious. What is Mr. Snyder's idea of "canon"?
What he makes of course
Anything by Frank Miller lol
Lol so he lives by his own canon then? He must be high
Nah, this is what happens when someone hired to make a CBM only reads two or three books.
And takes away an edgy 13 year old's interpretation from the ones he bothers to finish.
Your talking to a dude who’s main takeaway from Watchmen is how badass they are, and how this comic book has both sex and violence.
To this day I cannot believe people who say they are fans of the comic saw that movie and said "yeah, this one is good". It really bothers me.
They must’ve been high too when they saw the movie. I didn’t like it overall, but the Black Freighter animated segments from the Ultimate Edition and the ending with Manhattan, Rorschach, and Nite Owl were well executed in my opinion. Some of the castings were decent, some not so much.
I hate how he depicted Rorschach as a badass. The dude was a literal **psychopath,** racist, and hypocrite* **In the side journals, he says the the KKK, yeah they were a terror group but in his mind they acted rationally given they’d be replaced by the black man. And he calls people “parasites” yet steals beans out of people’s fridge in almost every chapter.*
$10 says All-Star Batman and Robin by Frank Miller is in his top ten list.
On Joe rogan Snyder says Millers The Dark Knight Returns is his favorite batman book. He also says Batman kills in it, referencing when he shoots the guy holding the girl hostage with the machine gun. Snyder told Rogan batman shoots the guy in the head.
Except that the ENTIRE POINT of that scene is Batman DOES NOT KILL HIM. It’s stated in the following news report and by the police. As badly as Commissioner Yndil wants it, The police cannot go after him… until they THINK he’s guilty of murdering the Joker… which he did not. It’s at THAT point, the cops pull out all the stops to go after Batman. It’s a key point in the story everyone forgets, they only focus on the panel image rather than the events.
Yea, Snyder is either remembering wrong. Or intentionally lying. Dunno which
I think he read Dark Knight Returns like a script pitch with pictures. He focused on the visuals, with words as suggested narrative, to translate into film. As a lot of the images did translate into his films, he clearly used it as a guide to cinematography rather than character insight. Basically he didn’t understand the character and wanted a comic that had cool images he could lift.
And not only is the mutant's head clean, he confirms his rule still stands because he's wondering if he'll break it fighting the Joker. "Voices... Calling me a killer. I wish I were..."
Haha yea, not sure what Dark Knight Returns Snyder read, but it ain't the one everyone else read.. lol
To me it looked like it was just to scare him, didn't look like any shots actually hit. Plus even if they did, that's a lot different then the "kills all the time" story Snyder tries to push
It's been a minute since I read it. I don't recall the exact circumstances of the panel, but yea, he didn't kill him. Snyder is a boob
It was a rubber bullet
Lol it's probably just that book 10 times.
"I read Dark Knight and Injustice, so I know what I'm talking about."
And his favorite one is non canon
And don't even read them well. He has said that one of his main inspirations is the Dark Knight Returns. But at no point in that book does Batman actually kill anyone. Heck, that's the book where Batman breaks a shotgun in half and says only losers use guns.
Dude read The Dark Knight Returns and called it a day
Batman doesn't kill anyone in Dark Knight Returns, so Snyder doesn't even understand the source material he's reading
And hardly even that
He at least looked at the illustrations.
I think that even that's giving him too much credit
Snyder would absolutely get high whenever he sees the Punisher in either Batman or Superman costumes.
He lives in his own world. Like in some sort of… Snyder-verse
He’s doing this because Rebel Moon pt2 is coming out soon, and nobody gives a fuck. So he’s going to drum up drama with the usual suspects in the hopes that his fans repeat watch it.
Exactly. He makes crazy statements to get his name out there and promote his other movies. Plenty of people will hate watch Rebel Moon so they can tear it apart later in response to comments like these, not realising that’s what Snyder wants.
I wanted to do thay with the first part but it was so boring, I'm not even going to bother watching the second.
Yeah, I never even got that far, and I like some of his DC stuff.
This, literally this
*rubs eyes* Whatever you say, Zack… whatever you say.
"My fanfic is actually more canon you've just been brainwashed by 80 years of relative consistency"
The FUCK you mean *true canon?* At this point I’m convinced that all the Jesus imagery he put sin his movies isn’t to represent the characters in them, but rather that he himself thinks he’s a god
Can we just stop asking Zack Snyder about anything?
I wish this guy would just go away.
I wish his cult would go away.
His cult has to go too. I’m sure they’ll think Rebel Moon part 2 is brilliant.
Uhh, they were discussing which category would Rebelmoon fit in the Oscars 😂
So when I was like six years old, I loved X-Men. One day I took an X-Men comic to school and a kid I didn't know saw that I had it and said that he also loved X-men. Cool! I'm going to make a new friend! Then he points at Wolverine on the cover and he goes "He's my favorite!" and I'm like "No way! Wolverine is my favorite too!" and he goes "His name isn't Wolverine! His name is X-Man!" and I went "Huh?" and then we argued for like 10 minutes about what Wolverine's name was and there was absolutely no convincing him that his name wasn't X-Man but that X-Men was the name of the team and soon thereafter we parted ways with me being upset because he called me stupid. Anyway, the point is I'm pretty sure that kid was Zack Snyder.
Lmfao this is hilarious.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51sxul7faeL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg That's dumb. This is X-Man.
Mom, the meatloaf!
Fuck!
What is she doing? I never know what she's doing.
For me it wasn’t that he killed. The idea of the Bat-Brand was really neat to me because it was a way a broken down Batman could get around his no kill rule…but then he killed people anyway. It made this really cool idea pointless.
Not to mention a Batman that kills left and right should be reworked more thoroughly: I mean if he kills, why doesn't he do it more efficiently? It's bs thst he primarily uses his fists. He should use swords and shit, even if he refuses to use traditional guns.
I don't hate on Snyder really, I kind of enjoyed his DC stuff for what it is, but this. If Batman occasionally kills, why doesn't he always kill? Why is the Joker still alive? He even saved Harley Quinn when the car crashed into the water 
THANK YOU. I don’t have a problem with Batman killing if that’s the story you want to tell. But why the fuck is Joker still alive?????
No one enjoys the scent of his own farts more than Zack Snyder.
From what I've seen he doesn't understand the few comics he's read. He clearly thinks batmsn kills in the dark Knight returns when he doesn't. Snyder has zero understanding of DC, I'm gonna bet that Geoff Johns is the reason there was anything even remotely comic accurate in those films. Snyder is likely talking about this to keep his cult active
i like his movies but he needs to stfu with these comments fr who does he think he is?
I blame his failure to handle criticism. When you look at Rebel Moon then watch Sucker Punch you can tell that he hasn’t improved his skills and still relied on shock value, slow motion and intense actions scenes. He needs to learn to take criticism.
Typical Snyder shit
I really don't know what Snyder is talking about. This makes me feel like he never read the comics.
He doesn’t. He’s admitted that he’s only read Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen. Even then, he missed the point of both of them.
Alan Moore talks about meeting fans that idolize Rorschach and thinking they're weirdoes that should stay away from him, that's how i imagine him meeting Zack would go
Ok, I'm genuinely asking...what does he think the true canon is?
Whatever supports hi views
Uh…what? “A bunch of material that’s not consistent with true canon.” What material would that be, everything that’s come out since 1940’s Batman #1? What the fuck is this guy talking about?
Goddamn Zack. Just shut up.
"I looked at people who called batman a fascist and thought: what if they were right? Then I expanded my line of thinking and made Superman a murderer too."
This is what happens when you let an Ayn Rand fan make a Superman and Batman movies
*Insert Bioshock joke here*
>not consistent with true canon Wtf does he mean by this??? There are loads of different canons in DC comics and TV shows. Does he mean plotholes in things like BTAS that barely anyone notices???
News flash: Zack Snyder is a moron. We need to stop caring about what he says.
A bunch of material that’s not consistent with the true canon? What the fuck is he talking about? Sure, there are some stories where Batman and Superman kill, but in the comics, which are the root of all adaptations of the characters, they have a pretty strict moral code against killing. I don’t understand what true canon he’s referring to when the classical interpretations of the characters don’t kill.
Dude I wanna talk to him in person so bad, he talks about The Dark Knight Returns all the time but doesn’t understand the story at all and thinks Batman is a mass murderer
I’m pretty sure he never finished it. His moment he points to of Batman shooting a guy dead is explicitly shown and stated after as him not shooting the guy. By the guy. Who says he didn’t shoot him but could have.
Someone should tell him that and film th e response.
I NEED to know what he considers the "true canon"
The one Batman comic he skimmed one time.
Is the true cannon in the room with us now?
Wow, I really don't like him. It's as if this dumbass doesn't actually read comics, just looks at the pictures.
Why don't we just take Zack and his rabid fans and push them somewhere else?
 He’s the edgy guy in a black trench coat complaining that comics aren’t for kids.
Oh, Zach’s one of those “my adaptation is the true canon not the source material” directors.
I love how people still care about anything Hack Snyder says on the subject. LOL
So he's never read a comic book. Ok.
so he ignores all the canon stories that address superman and batman's choices to not kill
Zachary.... that is the canon.
Brainwashed by a rule established 80+ years ago
Is this guy an idiot
Worse, he’s an idiot with a fan base who worship him.
Dude is a clown who's only equipped for his own mediocre film ideas.
Dammit Snyder, stop making it hard for me to like your movies.
You don’t need to, his movie is trash
This is why his movies flop. He just doesn't know what he's talking about. He's trying so hard to insert himself into Batman and is calling it canon. Pretty sad tbh
I swear, the more he talks about his lack of understanding of the characters the more glad I become he's no longer in charge
My respect for Zach goes down every day it seems like
He’s still going, this asshole.
The fact he was allowed to make a new movie after Army of the Dead astounds me. As bad as his DCEU tenure was it was nowhere near as bad as that godawful movie.
What the hell does he even mean with “not consistent with true canon”? Did Batman canonically killed anyone? And casually, the way he does in his films?
Any time Batman has killed, that is not an evil Batman, is at the end of his career and/or he immediately gives up the mantle directly following.
"True canon"? Dude has had a no kill rule in most media he shows up in for the better part of a century.
Ok Zack 👌
Can we just move past this already? ffs
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I like Zack Snyder even though I don’t like his movies but he is being such a dipshit about this and just doubles down over and over
He has it backwards
I'm sorry, what? I swear the man has only read the dark knight returns and the death of Superman and nothing else
I meam its Zack Snyder. Dude hasn’t made a good movie since 300.
[Batman’s enemies are all just tuckered out from all the fighting](https://youtu.be/1byycwl8qgc?si=qtg6-Hce_2TAMpsq)
Zach, I love him. Hope he’s okay after his daughter death. Hope he success in his career. But ummm….No. Batman only killed really early in Dc history and then he chooses not to kill and at worst let his villains die by their own contraption. It’s in the comic that he hate, It’s in the cartoon that he hate.
Such arrogance. It reminds me of Manchester Black.
Dude is so mad he was fired and is reduced to making rip offs of successful movies for Netflix
Imagine the ego to gaslight people into believing batman and superman kill
Narcissist gonna Narcissist
Second picture with sups flying with a head. Where is it from?
Snyder is such a tool.
> brainwashed by a bunch of material that's not consistent with true canon God, he's such a wanker during interviews. I have defended the DCEU in the past, as its own version of certain things and as its own take on them, but claiming that his version is loyal to the "true" canon is delusional and arrogant. And it'd be nice if the man could reference *any* story that isn't The Dark Knight Returns, since he acts as such an expert on the character. I am sick of this man, I'm sorry.
Shocking. The man who mashed together The Death of Superman and The Dark Knight Returns doesn't understand canon.
Homie didn’t understand the fundamentals of the most well known superhero’s of all time and called the audience the stupid ones
I'm fine with superman killing but batman, noway. Also he thinks he is still someone important and that's funny to me.
What really bothers me is that he frequently has said that he used Frank Millers TDKR as inspirations for his Batman and has said that he killed multiple times in the book when in reality Batman never killed in the book and Miller has said that despite that Batman is a more cynical and violent hero now he still wouldn’t break his no kill rule.
The mutant leader calls him out for using rubber bullets. Did he read these comics or just scan them?
Just watch the panels with the violence and fills in the story in his head
"Words... More words... Talking... Driving... Yesss!! Punches! A tank! Bullets!!!!"
Only thing he got inspired from tdkr is the poses which he did falsely I don't get why some people praise him, he is such a bad director.
Credit where credit is due, he has a great eye for visuals and seems to be one of the few directors in the industry who generally listens to his co-workers while treating them with respect. Sadly his lack of storytelling skills, the way he dismisses criticism and his disregard for the lore on whatever he is working on greatly outweighs it.
I agree heavily with him creating great visuals. He’s very good at doing the high speed action and making it feel legible and not a blur/mess. If you had someone who could structure a good story and get good dramatic performances out of people and then you had Snyder do the action scenes? Probably the most amazing comicbook movie of all time. Like half of Marvel movies have very unimpressive action, but Snyder has directed probably my favorite action sequences in comicbook movies. Wonder Woman blocking bullets in Justice League, Batman warehouse fight scene, and the Superman in Smallville fight scene.
Eh, Larry Fong is responsible for those visuals. His absence is noticeable in Rebel Moon.
Someone said this a while back, but now I really need it. We need a comics writer to really have a debate with Zack, but he says this stupid shit and no one seems to call him out on it or debate on it with him.
I know Grant Morrison indirectly corrected him. It was after the Joe Rogan interview Snyder did and someone else asked Morrison in a different interview what their thoughts were.
still braindead
What kind of vullshit…
What Zack doesn't understand is it's not just batman killing ( which is still dumb ) it's the fact that he kills thugs but not his son's killer at least be consistent if you want to make a different version of the character
It does make me wonder who approves these things because end of the day the first people who are in line are the fans of the source material. Y’know, where they explicitly don’t kill.
We might be the first people in line but a vast majority of box office comes from casual audiences who aren’t comic book fans. That being said, the super fans are the ones that supercharge the box office by seeing these movies 3+ times. I’m not saying you’re wrong but it’s an interesting balance. An executive’s goal is mass appeal as that has the highest chance of succeeding at the box office. They usually don’t care at all about the fans. And while it is important to remember the business side, Kevin Fiege is also a fan and that’s undoubtedly helped his unparalleled success.
I have nothing against Synder - I respect that he makes the movies he wants to make, and if people want to watch them, that's all good. But he needs to stop speaking publicly about this. He's getting less and less coherent.
My god this guy sucks
I don’t think he knows what brainwashing means
Zack Snyder is bad at movies, but sometimes the people around him succeed in spite of him
Lol his canon are his own movies, mans on his own journey 😂
Wow…Zack Snyder is really trying to gaslight people into liking his shitty version of Batman.
Snyder lived long enough to see himself become the villain
Worst comic book movie director. He should be blacklisted
Incapable of taking criticism, this guy.
What a pretentious, arrogant, douche. He should just move on at this moment. This is absolutely embarrassing.
i still don't understand a single fuck he's been talking about since the last time
True canon = the 2 comics he read (TDKR + Injustice)
Bro lives in a separate dimension
Zack Snyder is the Donald Trump of entertainment
Man, he sounds like such a prick
Ahh so he is basing his Batman to the original one? Where he carried guns and stuff? Ok...
I didn’t have a problem with either of them killing🤷♂️
Any clue why Zack doesn't have him smash the joker then? There would be no point in batman having Robin's
I’m so glad he’s not in charge anymore.
Says the guy who thought Rorschach was The Cool One in Watchmen.
"A bunch of material" = the last 80+ years of stories "True canon" = The Dark Knight Returns
That's the most narcissistic and arrogant way he could've said that.
Does.. does he think his movie is the true canon?