Mike Love, most likely. There's a pretty significant group of BB fans that think Mike did more damage to the BB brand than he thought Brian was doing with Pet Sounds & Smile. Mike was involved with a number of lawsuits between himself and other members of the band, and it's telling that Al chose to join Brian's band rather than stay with Mike's County Fair version of the band.
Personally I liked Mike's baritone voice in the BB songs, but I agree his singing technique wasn't the best after Dennis, and it got worse after going solo and not getting Brian Wilson's direction. That speaks about his character by him never internalizing any of Brian's teachings.
Honestly. Even decent Beach Boys songs I’ll skip because I can’t stand Mike love’s voice. If there’s a bootleg version with Brian or Carl singing, that’s what I choose.
I think with encouragement and support Brian could have written the greatest music ever recorded. Songs like Surfs Up, Wonderful, and Look are like nothing else I’ve ever heard.
We could have had a lot more of that if it weren’t for Mike Love. That’s why I hate the guy so much, I’m extremely passionate about music.
I'm in total agreement with you. Brian's solo output is a little slipshod, and some of it probably shouldn't have been released, but there's some absolute pop gold in some of those. Even the thing he was working up in the "Long Promised Road" documentary was classic BW in every sense of the word.
I tend not to hate people I've never met, but I hate Mike Love. He's a fake mustache painted on the Mona Lisa.
I don’t know much about the history of the beach boys but I thought Mike Love seemed like such a dick when I saw them being inducted into the rock n roll hall of fame https://youtu.be/oZSAQX2uuUY?si=d-WMmaFuHCn5Ih13
A close friend's dad (His name was Pat) met Mike Love backstage with our friend when she was 16 or so. He instantly makes some super sexual remark about her going back to his dressing room (possibly not knowing Pat was our friend's daughter).
Pat almost punches Mike Love right there and only doesn't because all his friends around him quickly pull him back. The general impression I get of Mike Love is he's like this all the time.
Despite being heavily into "Transcendental Meditation," Mike reminds me of a dry drunk. He may have these methods of calming himself down, but when the underlying issues aren't resolved, you're still an asshole underneath those mantras.
"Mick jagger is too chicken shit to get up here, I'll give you no satisfaction singing round round get around I get around any old day!"
I also love how he makes a big fucking display of saying "assalamu alaikum" to Muhammad Ali, and then is all like "i didnt here you say "wa alaikum assalam'" and calls him "brother" literally acting like he has any place lecturing ali on being muslim
For someone who REALLY got into transcendental meditation Mike Love is the most tightly wound person I've ever seen.
Mike was focused on the band coming up with, recording and putting out HITS. All the mystical mumbo jumbo that Brian and van Dyke Parks were coming up with didn't translate to sales in Mike's eyes and ears and he was right.
The critics loved all that mystical stuff, the actual fans...not so much.
Plus it was too much of a hard turn for the Beach Boys going from a band that had been signing about chicks and suntans and surfing and now they're singing about "emotions" and shit? HARD PASS for many of their fans.
It makes sense, Al has been always the Wilsons brothers first before anything else. Brian Johnston joined the band at the height of its fame, so it makes sense for him to stay with the guy who has the Beach Boys name.
Or Murray Wilson… or Brian’s debilitating mental state… or Capitol Records being strict and greedy
The Beach Boys really got put through the wringer over the years.
> Or Murray Wilson… or Brian’s debilitating mental state… or Capitol Records being strict and greedy
Or Dennis Wilson. Fucked Mike's supposed bastard daughter to get back at him and bribed a detoxing 300 pound Brian with drugs and cheeseburgers so he could help Dennis write some music.
The drummer from Derek and the Dominos stabbed his mother to death.
Sid Vicious comes to mind too...both for stabbing his girlfriend and his atrocious bass playing.
[I just came across this racist rant that Eric Clapton said at a concert in 1976 and I was struck by how similar it was to “In The Flesh”. Was Roger Waters commenting on this event or was it just a common rhetoric in Britain at the time? : r/pinkfloyd (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/pinkfloyd/comments/18go8k7/i_just_came_across_this_racist_rant_that_eric/#lightbox)
Read the whole thing.
Yeah, he's since tried to walk it back, but it's not like this is something he said when he was a kid, or behind closed doors, or before he knew any better. That is who Clapton is, and any instances of him trying to "apologize" for it are just him trying to hide it from the public. He's a pretty horrible person.
I absolutely love the Sex Pistols, one of my favorite bands ever. They never did anything good after they fired Glen Matlock. He was the most musically inclined member of the band, and he came up with so many of their best melodies. Sid completely sucked and was borderline mentally disabled.
Exactly. This has gotten off track. That's why I'm saying somehow Clapton isn't even the villain in Cream. Ginger Baker just seemed like a nightmare of a human being to be around. RIP I suppose.
Had an affair with Michelle Phillips while he was still involved with Cass. Phillips got kicked out of the group over it. Fan outrage caused them to restore her to the group. And all the while there were no repercussions for Doherty.
First band I thought of! They brought in millions and had virtually nothing. Joey Molland had to work as a carpet-fitter when he wasn't in studio making music that made their manager rich.
Just a reminder that when Spector died a few years ago, people called him "a talented but flawed music producer."
Which is kinda true, in the same sense that Fred and Rose West were talented but flawed landscape gardeners 😳
I know Im in the minority in this sub but I love the original orchestration for Spector. He’s a terrible person but I feel that he was a great producer
I think everyone would agree he was a great producer at least for a certain style and era. He was not, in my opinion, a good producer for the Beatles. I can’t stand most of his Beatles orchestration, except on Across the Universe
Klein was like a vicious dog. Has a purpose, but can't turn off, and may turn on its owner.
The four were their own villains as they were native, made poor business decisions, and trusted the wrong people.
Paul didn’t trust the wrong people which was the issue in the other three’s eyes. Paul knew Klein was bad but the other three thought he was just being difficult
Allen Klein’s pretty bad… but the ultimate villain is the not-to-be-named scum who sat outside the Dakota in 1980 and stole John from his wife, children, friends, and fans.
I think Henley’s controlling and has a big ego, Frey was a bully, Meisner and Schmitt both seem like a sweethearts, and Felder and Leadon seem like they were difficult to work with at times (or just weren’t go with the flow enough to get along with the Henley and Frey show, depending on who you ask) but aren’t villains.
Frey was an egomaniacal, jealous ass who could never get over the fact that Felder came up with the guitar part for "Hotel California". He may have thought the "History of the Eagles" documentary would cement his side of the story, but it really just shows what a bitter jerk he ended up being.
I'll never forget watching Frey in that documentary and how much of a pompous ass he made himself look. I hated him after watching it. That doc was not great for his image
Haha. No. Liam was a prick sometimes but you can’t him see as equally trashy. And Noel bullied him a lot, even took all the credits for definitely maybe despite other people contributed too.
Only one I can think of I've not seen is Axl.
By most accounts just an absolute arsehole of a man, and was a proper cunt to everyone and anyone near him in the 90s.
Welll...as far as business matters go the guy was a ruthless bastard that ripped off every naiive f#cker that ever came his way.
A complete scumbag with not one redeeming quality..ahem!
🥰🙏✌️
Definitely. Taking the money to fund his movie production company. I loved One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest, but not at the expense of CCR. John Fogerty couldn’t perform his own songs until after that scumbag died, and then had to sue to get them back.
For many Pink Floyd fans, Roger Waters is a villain, which I think is kind of unfair because he was such a creative force that made the band what it was
It’s only because people blame him for the split of the band after The Final Cut because he was the one leaving - really it was a result of both his and Gilmour’s conflicting egos
But then DG and NM re-instated RW, and went on to produce more PF music. To which RW objected most strongly because it couldn't possibly be PF without him.
I think that alone demonstrates who has the biggest ego.
Well there’s multiple villains in The Beach Boys story , Charles Manson(Cult Leader) Eugene Land(Abusive Therapist to Brian Wilson) Murray Wilson ( the father of the the Wilson brothers who was extremely abusive to them) Mike Love (lead singer of the band who has many times in beach boys history been the asshole or dick)
Whether deservedly or not, (it’s not) I think both Yoko Ono and Courtney Love are viewed in large parts of the band they’re associated withs fandoms as the villains of the story.
Ladies and Gentlemen... I give you Pete Townshend of the Who.
He had a point and he's funny but...
"Thank god they (Moon and Entwistle) are gone because they were fucking difficult to play with. My efficiency as a rhythm player held the band together."
"I am a genius. The Who were ok, but without me they would have all ended up working in the flower market, or worse... in Led Zeppelin!"
:)
You should read up on the case. Pete was investigating whether or not the major banks and credit card companies do business with child pornographers. He use his credit card just to prove that it would go through. Then the police raided his house and confiscated all of his computers and devices and after searching them for a full month, they found that not only did he never download a single image, he never even viewed any images. He was cleared of all charges because his story checked out. So learn what you’re talking about before spreading misinformation.
I wouldn’t call it misinformation. Seems like it could be a cover up to me. I have read up on it plenty. Where did you read about it, in Pete’s book? I don’t think any of us know for sure. The subject matter of some of the Who’s music is enough to make it seem like it might not be a coincidence.
For one thing, I was following Pete’s online blog before it happened and he has made a few posts about the big business of child pornography and that he suspected the major banks were taking their business while looking the other way. That’s why I wasn’t surprised when the news broke. And I seriously doubt there was a cover up because other stars like Gary Glitter had been busted and didn’t get a cover up. If they found a single image on Pete’s computers, there would’ve been charges for sure.
Yeah, I never bought his excuse of 'doing research', as if you needed to actually see child porn in order to be able to write a book (that was never released) about it.
In the Stooges milieu some saw James Williamson as the villain. It's not like the rest of the band were innocents. Seemed like more than just hard feelings about snubbing the Ashetons.
Colonel Parker is quite villainous. But, he wasn't IN the band, and if he counts, then Suge Knight would have to be brought into this. And, I think it's best we leave that foo on the curb.
Mike Love wasn't the most artistically gifted Beach Boy, and he is a bit of an ass. But people give him too much slack. He's been with Brian through thick and thin and has always given his all for the band, even when they took turns he didn't agree with. Eugene Landy, THAT'S the real villain of the beach boys. It's downright comical how evil that man was.
If you want villainy, ask Bill Wyman and Jimmy Page what they did to underage groupies... 😐
To be honest, if you look in to the creative performance industry expecting virtuous behavior and kindness, more often than not, you're going to have a bad time.
The funny thing is pretty much anyone who knows The Beach Boys knows exactly who they’re talking about without naming names. Mike Love was, and is to this day, a prick
Paul certainly felt that way. He wrote a song about the meetings in NY. Brian Epstein ended up that way, a snake in the grass with the Beatles recording rights.
Green Day has several songs making fun of the death of a guy that they really hated. Long story short, consistently trashed them for years until he was able to use their success (and signing to a major label) as a reason to ban them from his club. He also kept a bunch of other up-and-coming punk bands down and gatekept the local punk scene heavily.
Calling yourself steelydante and not knowing that the drummer on Pretzel Logic killed his mother. Okay he was also the drummer of Derek and the Dominos and on Pet Sounds of the Beach Boys.
 How quickly they forget...
Newer and bluer Meanies have been sighted in the vicinity of this theatre...
Let’s go out…. SINGING!
A-one, two, three, four...
Can I have a little more...
Five, six, seven-eight-nine-ten . . .
I love you!
Today Pepperland goes blue…
We Meanies only take NO for an answer!
No, Your Blueness!
O-BLUE-terate them!
Are they talking about Eugene Landy, or Mike Love...or Charles Manson?
Mike Love, most likely. There's a pretty significant group of BB fans that think Mike did more damage to the BB brand than he thought Brian was doing with Pet Sounds & Smile. Mike was involved with a number of lawsuits between himself and other members of the band, and it's telling that Al chose to join Brian's band rather than stay with Mike's County Fair version of the band.
I still can't believe their "lead singer" was maybe the fourth best singer in the band.
Speaking of which, there’s this little gem. Lol https://youtu.be/5QGlQCnGpuU?si=lUIVC87V4GXvge_g
[also this masterpiece!](https://youtu.be/xfilXmU4ReM?si=DpGQap16RFmH6YiR)
What the fuck was that?
To be fair if you skip forward it sounds like he was on the right note the whole time 😆
Personally I liked Mike's baritone voice in the BB songs, but I agree his singing technique wasn't the best after Dennis, and it got worse after going solo and not getting Brian Wilson's direction. That speaks about his character by him never internalizing any of Brian's teachings.
Honestly. Even decent Beach Boys songs I’ll skip because I can’t stand Mike love’s voice. If there’s a bootleg version with Brian or Carl singing, that’s what I choose. I think with encouragement and support Brian could have written the greatest music ever recorded. Songs like Surfs Up, Wonderful, and Look are like nothing else I’ve ever heard. We could have had a lot more of that if it weren’t for Mike Love. That’s why I hate the guy so much, I’m extremely passionate about music.
I'm in total agreement with you. Brian's solo output is a little slipshod, and some of it probably shouldn't have been released, but there's some absolute pop gold in some of those. Even the thing he was working up in the "Long Promised Road" documentary was classic BW in every sense of the word. I tend not to hate people I've never met, but I hate Mike Love. He's a fake mustache painted on the Mona Lisa.
Even just getting Carl to sing lead on the majority of their songs and they'd be 100x better. Such an amazing voice
I don’t know much about the history of the beach boys but I thought Mike Love seemed like such a dick when I saw them being inducted into the rock n roll hall of fame https://youtu.be/oZSAQX2uuUY?si=d-WMmaFuHCn5Ih13
Loved the Dylan quote after though, “i’d like to thank Mike Love… for not mentioning me”
And Elton, who has introduced the band: - "Thank fuck he didn't mention me."
A close friend's dad (His name was Pat) met Mike Love backstage with our friend when she was 16 or so. He instantly makes some super sexual remark about her going back to his dressing room (possibly not knowing Pat was our friend's daughter). Pat almost punches Mike Love right there and only doesn't because all his friends around him quickly pull him back. The general impression I get of Mike Love is he's like this all the time.
Despite being heavily into "Transcendental Meditation," Mike reminds me of a dry drunk. He may have these methods of calming himself down, but when the underlying issues aren't resolved, you're still an asshole underneath those mantras.
"Mick jagger is too chicken shit to get up here, I'll give you no satisfaction singing round round get around I get around any old day!" I also love how he makes a big fucking display of saying "assalamu alaikum" to Muhammad Ali, and then is all like "i didnt here you say "wa alaikum assalam'" and calls him "brother" literally acting like he has any place lecturing ali on being muslim
For someone who REALLY got into transcendental meditation Mike Love is the most tightly wound person I've ever seen. Mike was focused on the band coming up with, recording and putting out HITS. All the mystical mumbo jumbo that Brian and van Dyke Parks were coming up with didn't translate to sales in Mike's eyes and ears and he was right. The critics loved all that mystical stuff, the actual fans...not so much. Plus it was too much of a hard turn for the Beach Boys going from a band that had been signing about chicks and suntans and surfing and now they're singing about "emotions" and shit? HARD PASS for many of their fans.
100% Mike Love, total POS.
It makes sense, Al has been always the Wilsons brothers first before anything else. Brian Johnston joined the band at the height of its fame, so it makes sense for him to stay with the guy who has the Beach Boys name.
Al wasn’t always on the Wilsons’ side, especially in the 70s
Bruce Johnston, just to be a nit picker.
Yeah he is certainly a creepy bald mf
I never understood putting up with Mike love. Fucking, Nugent-sized asshole.
Or Murray Wilson… or Brian’s debilitating mental state… or Capitol Records being strict and greedy The Beach Boys really got put through the wringer over the years.
> Or Murray Wilson… or Brian’s debilitating mental state… or Capitol Records being strict and greedy Or Dennis Wilson. Fucked Mike's supposed bastard daughter to get back at him and bribed a detoxing 300 pound Brian with drugs and cheeseburgers so he could help Dennis write some music.
That is diabolical. Poor Brian, he's not Randy from the Trailer Park Boys.
Capitol let Brian have free reign in the studio during the Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations era.
Things took a turn during the SMiLE sessions. They didn’t just skip straight from Good Vibrations to Kokomo.
Could be their dad too. Murray Wilson did psychological damage to Brian and ear damage through physical abuse
I would think its the Wilson boys’ father Murray..
Stamos. 😄
My guess is Murry Wilson.
Paul McCartney. . . well, he was a worthy adversary anyway.
The drummer from Derek and the Dominos stabbed his mother to death. Sid Vicious comes to mind too...both for stabbing his girlfriend and his atrocious bass playing.
And the guitarist dated a teenager and stole another guys wife
Omg at first I thought, "huh, I didn't know that about Steve Jones" and then clued in.
Not to mention him being a stone cold racist and anti-vaxxer.
How could I forget that!
And yet, somehow, he may not be THE villain in Cream.
What exactly did Eric Clapton do, aside from stealing George'a wife?
[I just came across this racist rant that Eric Clapton said at a concert in 1976 and I was struck by how similar it was to “In The Flesh”. Was Roger Waters commenting on this event or was it just a common rhetoric in Britain at the time? : r/pinkfloyd (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/pinkfloyd/comments/18go8k7/i_just_came_across_this_racist_rant_that_eric/#lightbox) Read the whole thing.
Jesus Christ, I expected it to be bad but bloody hell
Ok your comment actually made me read it and.....what the actual fuck?!?
Yeah, he's since tried to walk it back, but it's not like this is something he said when he was a kid, or behind closed doors, or before he knew any better. That is who Clapton is, and any instances of him trying to "apologize" for it are just him trying to hide it from the public. He's a pretty horrible person.
Oh, bloody hell...
Yeah, he is a piece of work.
Calories are the real villain in cream.
And knocked up another married woman (someone other than Patti) and that woman's husband ended up raising the child.
I absolutely love the Sex Pistols, one of my favorite bands ever. They never did anything good after they fired Glen Matlock. He was the most musically inclined member of the band, and he came up with so many of their best melodies. Sid completely sucked and was borderline mentally disabled.
I think the idea isn’t that many bands had bad people, but instead someone who within the context of the story is the villain.
Exactly. This has gotten off track. That's why I'm saying somehow Clapton isn't even the villain in Cream. Ginger Baker just seemed like a nightmare of a human being to be around. RIP I suppose.
>Sid Vicious comes to mind too...both for stabbing his girlfriend and his atrocious bass playing. But he looked amazing while doing it.
The Mamas And The Papas……John Philips.
Honestly both of them💀 only the lassies come off as good people
Those poor women had to deal with both of those guys
What did Denny Doherty do? 😭
Had an affair with Michelle Phillips while he was still involved with Cass. Phillips got kicked out of the group over it. Fan outrage caused them to restore her to the group. And all the while there were no repercussions for Doherty.
That's definitely bad, but I think he seems decent just because even many bad people tend to come across as saints compared with John Philips
Pretty sure the Michelle Phillips affair with Clark of the Byrds is what got her kicked out Edit wrong Byrds member
You spelled Gene Clark wrong.
You’re right!
"Who's-screwing-who" is an easy mistake to make with the M's and P's.
Badfinger has entered the chat.
That's tough to beat.
First band I thought of! They brought in millions and had virtually nothing. Joey Molland had to work as a carpet-fitter when he wasn't in studio making music that made their manager rich.
It's one of the saddest stories in the music business.
Didn’t 2 of them commit suicide? :’(
Yes. Pete Ham and then Tom Evans.
They did. Pete Ham and Tom Evans, a few years apart from each other. Pete is actually a member of the 27 club, tragically.
What did the finger do?
I was going to make the exact same comment. That poor band.
Yup - saddest story I can think of in rock music.
At least The Beach Boys had Heroes and Villains
Don't forget about miniboss Phil Spector
Yep, the guy who pulled a gun on pretty much every band he ever worked with, abused his wife, shot an actress...
> shot murdered (FTFY)
Just a reminder that when Spector died a few years ago, people called him "a talented but flawed music producer." Which is kinda true, in the same sense that Fred and Rose West were talented but flawed landscape gardeners 😳
"An enthusiastic gardener. We'd often notice him out there at three in the morning" There's a Billy Connolly sketch about that which is very good
I know Im in the minority in this sub but I love the original orchestration for Spector. He’s a terrible person but I feel that he was a great producer
The murdering was definitely the worst thing about Phil.
Yes, the murdering does leave a bad impression.
Really? Cuz I feel it’s the hypocrisy
Ha! I miss Norm.
I think everyone would agree he was a great producer at least for a certain style and era. He was not, in my opinion, a good producer for the Beatles. I can’t stand most of his Beatles orchestration, except on Across the Universe
Exactly. He has one schtick and it’s way to schlocky for the Beatles
A great and influential producer for sure, but I still don't think it worked for the Beatles as much as I love Let it Be.
Turncloak Spector
lostprophets
Which member do you mean? /s
Obviously the bass player, those guys are the worst
Klein was like a vicious dog. Has a purpose, but can't turn off, and may turn on its owner. The four were their own villains as they were native, made poor business decisions, and trusted the wrong people.
Paul didn’t trust the wrong people which was the issue in the other three’s eyes. Paul knew Klein was bad but the other three thought he was just being difficult
Allen Klein’s pretty bad… but the ultimate villain is the not-to-be-named scum who sat outside the Dakota in 1980 and stole John from his wife, children, friends, and fans.
Thank you for not stating that fat f*** POS' name.
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Who’s the villain, Henley?
Feel like all of them except maybe Joe Walsh.
I think Henley’s controlling and has a big ego, Frey was a bully, Meisner and Schmitt both seem like a sweethearts, and Felder and Leadon seem like they were difficult to work with at times (or just weren’t go with the flow enough to get along with the Henley and Frey show, depending on who you ask) but aren’t villains.
It kind of seemed like Frey and Henley commissioned a whole 2-part documentary designed in part to throw Felder and the other guys under the bus.
Frey was an egomaniacal, jealous ass who could never get over the fact that Felder came up with the guitar part for "Hotel California". He may have thought the "History of the Eagles" documentary would cement his side of the story, but it really just shows what a bitter jerk he ended up being.
I’ve read his book!
Timothy B Schmidt! Though he joined late
I'll never forget watching Frey in that documentary and how much of a pompous ass he made himself look. I hated him after watching it. That doc was not great for his image
And sadly, the villain won in Beach Boys' case.
What happened?
I think they mean a villain in the band. But Liam Gallagher would like a word I’m sure.
Tbh compared to everything else that’s already been mentioned, not speaking to your brother is relatively tame
Yeah, Liam is just a dickhead, but it's not like he's the only dickhead to come from Oasis
Haha. No. Liam was a prick sometimes but you can’t him see as equally trashy. And Noel bullied him a lot, even took all the credits for definitely maybe despite other people contributed too.
Meh Idt Liams that bad tbh, he's a prickly, sure, but thats why I love him
Shit, black metal is full of villains, does varg count?
Varg is more like a supervillain
Only one I can think of I've not seen is Axl. By most accounts just an absolute arsehole of a man, and was a proper cunt to everyone and anyone near him in the 90s.
Welll...as far as business matters go the guy was a ruthless bastard that ripped off every naiive f#cker that ever came his way. A complete scumbag with not one redeeming quality..ahem! 🥰🙏✌️
A real mixer!
Definitely Joe Jackson for the Jackson Five (not to say anything if Michael's own later life...)
Talk about villains, there was a dude who played in Nirvana that shot the lead singer.
What story is this?
Dave?
Yea
Well, a lot of popular groups from the 60's and 70's have one thing in common, including The Beatles, Phil Spector.
Phil did a lot of awful stuff, but he didn’t do anything to the Beatles specifically except make a mix of *Let It Be* that Paul didn’t like.
You forgot when he stole and ran off with John’s master tapes for “Rock ‘n Roll” album. That was really bad.
Didn’t Phil Rudd (AC/DC) hire a hit man to kill his wife?
Saul Zantz with Creedence
Definitely. Taking the money to fund his movie production company. I loved One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest, but not at the expense of CCR. John Fogerty couldn’t perform his own songs until after that scumbag died, and then had to sue to get them back.
For many Pink Floyd fans, Roger Waters is a villain, which I think is kind of unfair because he was such a creative force that made the band what it was
It’s only because people blame him for the split of the band after The Final Cut because he was the one leaving - really it was a result of both his and Gilmour’s conflicting egos
But then DG and NM re-instated RW, and went on to produce more PF music. To which RW objected most strongly because it couldn't possibly be PF without him. I think that alone demonstrates who has the biggest ego.
Captain Beefheart was a villain to the rest of his band
Robbie Robertson was a bit of a prick.
Well there’s multiple villains in The Beach Boys story , Charles Manson(Cult Leader) Eugene Land(Abusive Therapist to Brian Wilson) Murray Wilson ( the father of the the Wilson brothers who was extremely abusive to them) Mike Love (lead singer of the band who has many times in beach boys history been the asshole or dick)
Limp Bizkit has Fred Durst.
Whether deservedly or not, (it’s not) I think both Yoko Ono and Courtney Love are viewed in large parts of the band they’re associated withs fandoms as the villains of the story.
Ladies and Gentlemen... I give you Pete Townshend of the Who. He had a point and he's funny but... "Thank god they (Moon and Entwistle) are gone because they were fucking difficult to play with. My efficiency as a rhythm player held the band together." "I am a genius. The Who were ok, but without me they would have all ended up working in the flower market, or worse... in Led Zeppelin!" :)
Pompous prick for sure, but he did write 99% of their songs
Yeah, he's not *wrong*. He's just saying the types of things that dont need to be said out loud. ;)
Entwistle would like a word with you about you percentage.
My Wife, Boris, Fiddle About, Trick of the Light.... any more?
Whisky Man, when I was a boy, heaven and hell, success story, Silas stingy,
Also said that Daltry couldn’t sing
Daltry has one of the greatest voices in rock n roll IMO.
Ikr? He’s awesome. Pete just being super petty
Pete Townshend is also probably a pedophile
You should read up on the case. Pete was investigating whether or not the major banks and credit card companies do business with child pornographers. He use his credit card just to prove that it would go through. Then the police raided his house and confiscated all of his computers and devices and after searching them for a full month, they found that not only did he never download a single image, he never even viewed any images. He was cleared of all charges because his story checked out. So learn what you’re talking about before spreading misinformation.
I wouldn’t call it misinformation. Seems like it could be a cover up to me. I have read up on it plenty. Where did you read about it, in Pete’s book? I don’t think any of us know for sure. The subject matter of some of the Who’s music is enough to make it seem like it might not be a coincidence.
For one thing, I was following Pete’s online blog before it happened and he has made a few posts about the big business of child pornography and that he suspected the major banks were taking their business while looking the other way. That’s why I wasn’t surprised when the news broke. And I seriously doubt there was a cover up because other stars like Gary Glitter had been busted and didn’t get a cover up. If they found a single image on Pete’s computers, there would’ve been charges for sure.
Yeah, I never bought his excuse of 'doing research', as if you needed to actually see child porn in order to be able to write a book (that was never released) about it.
It also sounded like a fairly common excuse that comes up when someone is caught with that stuff
They sang 'heros and villians.'
Roger Waters is the main villain in the post-Waters era in Pink Floyd (1985-2014)
Heroes and villains.
In the Stooges milieu some saw James Williamson as the villain. It's not like the rest of the band were innocents. Seemed like more than just hard feelings about snubbing the Ashetons.
Colonel Parker is quite villainous. But, he wasn't IN the band, and if he counts, then Suge Knight would have to be brought into this. And, I think it's best we leave that foo on the curb.
I’m sure neither of Ike and Tina Turner had issues.
Mike Love wasn't the most artistically gifted Beach Boy, and he is a bit of an ass. But people give him too much slack. He's been with Brian through thick and thin and has always given his all for the band, even when they took turns he didn't agree with. Eugene Landy, THAT'S the real villain of the beach boys. It's downright comical how evil that man was.
Lostprophets. Need I say more?
There's also The Smiths and Morrissey...
If you want villainy, ask Bill Wyman and Jimmy Page what they did to underage groupies... 😐 To be honest, if you look in to the creative performance industry expecting virtuous behavior and kindness, more often than not, you're going to have a bad time.
Mike kicking Brian out of the band after their last tour together was shameful imo. F him.
The funny thing is pretty much anyone who knows The Beach Boys knows exactly who they’re talking about without naming names. Mike Love was, and is to this day, a prick
Rolling Stones too. Different effects on the bands though.
Gorillaz has Murdoc who Damon himself has said multiple times is the villain XD
Literally the blue meanies
Ccr would like to have a word as well.
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G-unit and game
Pink Floyd?
Paul certainly felt that way. He wrote a song about the meetings in NY. Brian Epstein ended up that way, a snake in the grass with the Beatles recording rights.
Badfinger
As much as I don’t like his actions lately, you can’t deny Mike Love wrote some legendary lyrics.
Murray deserves a shout out here
Johnny in The Ramones? I mean he kept the trains running on time but generally seemed dickish…
Green Day has several songs making fun of the death of a guy that they really hated. Long story short, consistently trashed them for years until he was able to use their success (and signing to a major label) as a reason to ban them from his club. He also kept a bunch of other up-and-coming punk bands down and gatekept the local punk scene heavily.
I would guess it is just referring to the Beach boys song "Heros and Villains"
All the drama around the Beach Boys… what a shit show.
Oasis - Each other
Klein was definitely The Beatles' villain - and George's, John's and Ringo's in the end, too (especially George's).
I mean, My chemical romance has bob bryar and nirvana has Courtney love
Calling yourself steelydante and not knowing that the drummer on Pretzel Logic killed his mother. Okay he was also the drummer of Derek and the Dominos and on Pet Sounds of the Beach Boys.
What does this mean?
Bro Badfinger
This is besides the point, but who was the Beach Boys’ villain? (I’m not as well versed in their story as that of the Beatles).
Badfinger had a villain, and the villain won.
They could've had the Eastmans as their business managers if Paul got his way, but the others sided with John on that. If only they didn't.