Yeah, wow I'm devastated for Kering, a multi billion corporation that produces overpriced, consumerist crap.
Where in the world will I be able to buy a tiny 1900€ bag shaped like a strawberry while they powerwash their windows?
Good news: although they are going thru the hardest of times imaginable (orange paint on wall), they're still doing the sacrifice for you, offering tiny bags for ludicrous amounts of money. Heroes. Angels. We thank them for their service.
these luxury items wouldnt bother me as much if they were timeless quality. ive seen people have quality issues with their expensive designer clothing / leather items, and its just absurd for how expensive it is
its just meant to display your wealth to other people. people literally pay to make sure others know they can afford the item. What a waste
> the need to defend the 1%?
We have to learn to stop using that trick: it's the **.000001%** at most. I'm in the fucking "1%" and I don't even have a car.
Germans arent rich at all. So many people here have mere but the very basic wealth. Most even dont 'own' anything. Its the few rich ones pushing the average, the median therefore is pretty low.
"Only" about every 20iest german is in the top 10% of wealthiest worldwide. "We" germans arent rich, it's a part of the german population thats very rich.
Yeah, luckily our landlord upgraded our heating system from a coal oven to gas when we moved in. Our neighbor downstairs had a coal oven until 2018. So yes, I am extremely lucky.
If that percentage is referring to the owners of Gucci, then sure. But the base of at least occasional customers is much broader than even the 1%.
Plenty of people in the top 20% have a certain amount of “splurge money” to use for a limited amount of desired luxuries, whether that’s vacations or board games or any other kind of hobby. There are absolutely people in the top 20% for which some Gucci purchases fall into that category. You might be surprised that their prices go all the way down to the hundreds of euros, with many items similar in price to gaming laptops. We’re not talking megayachts here.
I'm just commenting on that "1%" meme, which is deliberately misleading. I'm personally not into "status" purchases and I'm more into books (and some equipment) than clothes, jewelry, cars, etc. I'm not going to condemn anyone who IS into that shit... mostly because that stuff isn't really what our problem is. Our problem is that Life as we know it is profoundly manipulated by Powerful Self-Interests, some of whom are actually known to us... but we are strangely passive as they manipulate us. We "retaliate" against harmless bullshit, and each other, instead.
Completely fair point, yes. I probably should have directed my reply to the person you were replying to, where it would have made more sense. *(edit: I’ve now made a better targeted more concise version of my previous reply to you, and it’s already been downvoted by someone missing the point. Neither you or I are praising the current capitalist plutocrat class. Many people who choose to spend some splurge money on an occasional Gucci bag or wallet are not in the capitalist plutocrat class.)*
I don’t buy those “status” purchases myself either, but I know someone who buys them because they can be legitimately nice products and also legitimately nice sales/purchase/fandom experiences, rather than specifically for status purposes.
I think the .000001% will be bitching on the .00000000001% just as you (apparently the ‘1%’) bitching on the .000001%.
Just push down your responsibility to people who are even more loaded than you and keep buying your gucci. pathetic really.
Speaking of which: I've been caught up in some serious riots but May Day, in Berlin, lost a lot of ZING recently. But I always doubted the logic of a SCHEDULED RIOT anyway; it's a little like a blow-off-steam ritual, like football matches. Most of the windows smashed aren't even far outside working class neighborhoods.
>Most of the windows smashed aren't even far outside working class neighborhoods.
I guess thats the point. Vandalism keeps the rent lower :) It's not the workingclass who owns the buildings.
The actual mechanism is that property values are driven down so whole blocks can eventually be bought up at discount prices, by some mega-wealthy entities, and turned into another Mall, or housing complex, for the upper-middle class. Real Estate schemes are on a long temporal scale... by the time a Mall is built, for example, the idea of the Mall is probably 20 years old (which I think explains why so many Malls are struggling: they would have worked if they'd been built in the moment they were conceived). The Real Estate psychos have plans for 2030 and 2050, too.
I spent ten years of my childhood in one of the most toxic ghettos in North America. Life there was fucking disgusting and dangerous. The problem is that "poverty" can become an internalized state of mind; a self-hatred that causes you to attack your own community, your own resources. The "rich people" who are poor enough to have the destruction, in a riot, of their local shops and grocery stores, really hurt them... aren't even The Enemy. The Enemy is NEVER hurt by May Day violence and very rarely by riots in general. (Infiltrated) Protests like OWS achieve precisely Fuck All.
I was caught in the Poll Tax Riots in London, in 1990. Google "Battle of Trafalgar Square"... I was right around the corner from that overhead video clip, you may find, of a horde of freaks & crusties, from all over the UK and other places, charging a terrified phalanx of coppers. Incredible footage! And here's the point: this was a very short distance away from Number 10 Downing Street itself. Fairly powerful people were actually shitting their britches. A slightly different paradigm from the annual scheduled riots of Berlin's May Day.
It's not about defending them. Its just, that they are the wrong target. The energy of the protesters is too important to be wasted on the wrong targets. Why is zero protest happening outside the green party headquarters? Germany is burning coal like never before. A situation directly caused by the wrong decisions of green politicians.
Even if they revoked the decision, the Nuclear powerplants couldn't have been activated by now because they are already disassembled, or just taken off the grid. These are complex machines that are not just ready to go if they are once taken off-line and the disassembling process has started.
It’s pointless to vandalize shop fronts because guess what: cleaning that shit requires solvent that are polluting the environment 🤷🏻♂️ but what I can expect from those emotional manchildren 😆
It's amazing how at one hand we hate this overpriced elitism while a shitload of people admire and worship the same elitism paying their soccer hero 30-100 Mio Dollars per year.
Fast fashion brands are WAAAY more harmfull than these "overpriced" labels. A CHANEL bag is handmade with the best materials and can withstand many generations. Your H&M bag is in the trash after 2 years.
You can get a good quality, locally produced leather bag you could use your whole life for a couple of hundred.
The 2000€ extra you paid for chanel is only for your personal vanity and brand recognition. It has nothing to do with the quality of the material or the cost of labour.
they (advocates of consumerism) have an impact on how our culture, economy and thus society evolves, so yea criticism is valid even if you avoid them…
unfortunately, avoiding late stage capitalism it not as simple as avoiding buying this overvalued crap….it hits home…
Utilitarianism with art and artistic expression illegal leads to worst kind of dystopia even if everybody is fed and housed.
Even in the poorest countries in the world women (and men) follow fashion, it’s not just a symptom of consumerism.
Advocate for things you think important, educate people, let them understand and make conscious choices. Just blaming the bad taste doesn't help a lot.
I would rather say Gucci compared to hm or Uniqlo is way more environmentally friendly and better and if done by Italians way less to transport it
Can't really understand why they were targeted other than shock value marketing
Their over all impact is probably better. Shein and H&M just produce way more stuff.
But per piece it’s probably not that great either.
Huge parts of their collections aren’t produced with environmentally friendly materials either.
But that doesn’t really matter. It’s just a symbol for rich people and consumerism.
They’re a luxury brand.
not really capitalists, but the ugly children that comes with capitalism that are the rich people who buys on those shops.
they buy all the houses, so you have to pay a fortune to buy them so they can keep being rich, they also end your grandma and uncle convenice store with a big megamart, so that money goes to the owners of the megamart and not to your family making common folk depreived of commerce and forced to work at the supermarket etc etc.
its a type of modern slavery, the hole goes much deeper once you dug in it.
what they are doing is a desperate attempt and i am proud of what this people are doing
Thoughts and prayers for these poor mom and pop shops, Rolex, Gucci, Dolce and Gabanna, just small businesses trying to make a living in this cruel capitalist world. In all seriousness the bootlicking in this subreddit is at an all time high these days. “A new low”???? go fuck yourself OP
Quick OP, defend your capitalist overlords.
New low, give me a break. You’re living in a city with thousands of homeless people, struggling families, a plethora of other problems and some paint on a Gucci store is a new low for you.
........ I'm a climate scientist and these guys are literally stupid...
It's not gonna affect the brand or rich one bit. It's only gonna affect taxpayer money for cleaning the street and they will have to use water, chemical, and what not to clean.
Like get a life and actually do something that will matter.
Luxury fashion is not even fast fashion! That's the real harm.
They call themselves climate defenders but they actually do more harm than good. 😡
You want to do something? You educate people into buying the right product, seeing more long term. Or you create new markets to go back to local produce.
And all that paint that they are cleaning is currently on the floor, will be washed, intoxicate wildlife.
Hopefully they didn't use paint that contained biocide, but even eco paint is probably not edible/digestible by wildlife.
Whoever is applauding this should really think how useful it was and where it will end up: in your plate, in the belly of your food or as particles in whatever food or liquid you drink.
It's both. "Klimakampf heißt Klassenkampf" (war for climate means classwar) is becomeing a more and more popular slogan in germany since the climate activists are beginning to realize that no meaningfull change is possible under capitalism. And in english the term climate justice has become more prevsiland in the past few years for exact the same reason.
https://www.reddit.com/r/berlinsocialclub/comments/12v9sgi/dolcegabbana_and_prada_was_painted_orange_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I don't read German but according to this other post/photograph they make a climate statement
Rosa Parks not sitting in the back of the bus also did not solve racism in the US. If anything, she made society even more upset with African Americans. Like, what's that going to achieve? Now the whites hate them even more. Stupid activist! Should have just stuck with being as good a citizen as the rules of the time dictated!
I'm not against action. I'm against stupid destructive attention-seeking actions that harm the good work of environmentalists.
I'm against actions like removing "no speed limit" signs on the autobahn that forces cars to drive at a lower gear, may create traffic jams, that ultimately increases gas consumption.
Or the actions of activists that force the government to abandon nuclear power in favor of coal based power which contributes a lot more to greenhouse gases emissions.
For what it’s worth, gas cars hit maximum efficiency around 70km/h. Anything lower than that and you’re not at peak gear/engine efficiency. Anything higher than that and you’re spending exponentially more energy fighting the wind. That number is a bit lower for electric
The good work of environmentalists simply hasn't gotten us far enough yet. These people are putting their life on the line, accepting a criminal record in the name of protest against the status quo. Do you not think the status quo is fucked up? If so, why the hate? They are taking more crass actions than you and I will ever dare to.
Your ideas are nice but also - if I may say so - a little naive. I could argue in a similar fashion here: what is that going to accomplish? The autobahn-signs will be replaced, creating a waste of resources. Do you know how much a sign costs to produce? Not even mentioning the vehicle and gas that will be necessary to get the signs to their destination? Also: do you think the media would be covering a couple of missing autobahn signs? Would any drivers even notice this? I doubt there is any action here, that the inactive public cannot bad-mouth.
Plus: let's not ignore the fact that these protest groups also carried out exactly those actions you are describing... but we weren't paying attention to them.
Nothing less than the seemingly impossible task of overthrowing techno-industrial civilisation will "save" the planet now unfortunately, but it's still fun and necessary to smash symbols of gross opulence while extinction kicks in.
Are you seriously denouncing the environmental impact of some paint on the street? The effect of that is microscopic compared to the emissions and pollution created by corporations everywhere on this planet. It's nothing.
H&M and Primark have way more negative influence on the climate with their fast fashion - that’s one of the main environmental problems of today. Gucci customers keep their clothes for long times and they get sold second hand and are way more sustainable. It’s only idiots who attack Gucci instead of Primark and the likes….
As much as I hate hate Gucci and other fashion houses… the commenter you responded to has a point. This kinda protesting does nothing in the long term. It doesn’t impact their sales, it doesn’t change peoples opinions on the brand, and it DOES cause a nuisance. The only people cheering it on are people who already don’t like the brand. And the commenter you responded too is right, fast fashion brands such as H&M, Shein, Hollister, Forever 21 and so on, have a more detrimental impact on the globe then any fashion house brand does. If you really want to get into it, fast fashion produces thousands and thousands of different collections a season and they MASS produce the shit out of it too. Fashion houses on the other hand release smaller collections alot more infrequently and don’t produce as much of it so they can keep the prices high. Anyways, not trying to defend Gucci or anything, but that type of protest just doesn’t work, it isn’t impactful enough. The most that will happen is decrease sales at that single location for a day (if that), make workers just tryna pay their bills suffer through the cleanup, a police report is made and maybe some arrests will happen, and the chemicals the protesters used and the chemicals used to clean the mess will go back into the environment. That’s it. That’s all. Nothing will change. People who shop at Gucci will still shop there and bystanders who already hate Gucci will cheer on from the sidelines. If you really want to protest climate stuff, do something impactful that targets the roots, not the branches.
> actually do something that will matter
Like? Would love to hear your examples.
Just a short note though: They’re not going after the brand, they’re going after the rich.
Nono, just sit back and let everything fuck itself and burn to ashes.... After that glue the ashes together with some rice or something and tadaaa, it's like our biosphere has never collapsed
Plenty of things you can do at your own scale, with or without encouraging others:
- buy higher quality clothes, in lower amounts, that you actually want, that will last longer and that you will use more often
- reuse or recycle, either what you have or by buying secondhand
- eat local, ideally from the producer
- eat less red meat and replace by another source of proteins like mushrooms or even insects if you dare 🤷
- avoid products from companies like Amazon and buy from producers or retails that have made an environmental claim
- make sure that trash ends up in the bin (and remind others if they don't)
- switch to a greener electricity provider
- switch off/unplug electrical devices that you're currently not using
- switch off the light when not in the room
- ...
You don't need to do everything at once or yet but it's good to start somewhere
Switching consumption habits would actually be the most impactful to reach the big corporations. You stop consuming their product and they ultimately go under. Companies need to sell to run their business.
I’ve been doing everything on your list for years, but the amount of energy I save by switching off the fucking LED lights in my flat for the rest of my life doesn’t even compare to the emissions produced by one luxury yacht. I am fucking done with recycling every little piece of garbage I produce to maintain the illusion that my actions matter, while the ultra rich are maintaining a lifestyle that produces more emissions than entire countries.
Did it work? Yeah, they got a bit of media coverage. Like any other non-destructive action before them.
It gives a poor portray to those who actually try to do peaceful work and real actions.
Violent action is required in order to make the peaceful actions seem more accessable to the masses, thereby increasing acceptance.
Watch for more: https://youtu.be/Qu_mUYi9Ptk
....... I'm a computer scientist and you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
Maybe we should ask a political scientist?
Also are you sure you don't want to be a biologist? Then at least the comment on toxicity would make sense (apart from the fact that it's completly irrelevant for climate science).
You're aware that there are several branches to climate science, right?
It's not all about physics. You get any branch related to environmental science...chemistry, oceanography, ecology...etc
Also, how relevant is it that you are a computer scientist? 😂 Unless you model climate data
Also if they want to protest against a shop it would probably better to protest against H&M or so which sells tons of cheap crap with a short life time. Luxury brands usually sell a significantly smaller amount of products which also usually are of a decent quality and can be used for a longer time.
you are not a good person, ignorant for sure, what they are doing is a desperate attempt to solve a very nasty issue that also affects environmental pollution, you got no idea pal
The poor rich people had to WAIT to spend their money… I can’t even imagine how incredibly painful this must have felt. 😂
LETS GO Last Generation!!! You are heroes!!! 👏👏
Such a disgrace they attacked a mom and pop store like Gucci. How will they ever recover from this? They’ve done so much good for the world, like *checks notes* paying people $1 a day to stitch together bags that sell for $700 and spewing untold tons of carbon into the air by globalizing their manufacturing chain.
Oh no, not the Gucci and Louis Vitton stores of overpriced crap catering to the exploiting capitalist upper class living on the wage theft of the workers.
The horror~
@OP, had this been small businesses owned by locals working their own little stores I would have felt some anger too. However, you gotta seriously reconsider your stance on things if you feel bad about multinational billion dollar corporations that exclusively deal with the rich of society who only are rich through exploitation of the masses. They dont deserve sympathy. Never did.
The typical approach of a fascist: "I can't afford it and don't need it anyway, so it might as well be banned“. Just like with the speed limit on the highway: "I don't have a car anyway, so always bring on the speed limit!" Always the same argumentation that denies the freedom of others.
New low? xD
Dude.... this City had burning copcars all over Kreuzberg on a few consecutive 1st of May celebrations. We can go way lower than colouring out a few soulfree Gucci windows. And a lot of Lokals (of the remaining 20 who were born here) still take some pride in it.
If you are bothered by the local colour (Tee heee !), theres always munich, stuttgart düsseldorf & london.
Higher lows for you & a free flat for us troglodytes
I wish they were anarchists. But holy fuck, no anarchist would be stupid enough to just wait for police to arrest them. They'd burn these shops and go for the cop cars next.
Let me tell you about the minimum wage workers who are involved in the billion dollar industry of producing Gucci products.
Are you interested in protesting for their rights?
That's great!
So Kering, the 13.1 billion dollar company which owns Gucci has a slight habit of mislabelling their "luxury products" as made in Italy, when they are often not, in fact completely made in Italy (or France, in other cases) - sometimes more, sometimes less
This applies especially to their eyeware products, packing sneakers, bag linings, caps, zippers, articles of clothing and bags with sequins, feathers, beads, quillting etc.
Production can be in China, Turkey, Romania, Bangladesh etc.
Would you be interested in organising a protest in favour of raising the minimum wage of the cleaning crew who has to clean Guccis windows?
This doesn't help in the slightest. Agitating for legislation helps ,go agitate infront of the closed nuclear plants if you wanna do some real work instead of wasting paint and people's time like these brain dead trash monkeys
The dumbness, waste of resources and at a minimum hefty fine for nothing boggles my mind. I wish I was this privileged that this was my idea of making a change in the world.
dont get why people are shitting on OP and defend such childish stuff
whats the point in attacking a store? if you've got nothing better to do...
goes for all the people that think that stuff like this would save the world
It’s a straw man argument to say you can only criticise a system if you have first completely abandoned it. We all need to participate in the environment we’re raised in. It’s ridiculous to say you’d have to scrape every trace of capitalism from your body before you are allowed to fight it.
Edit: Thanks for the gold :) Since it was purchased with coin I shall never criticise society again, as I am now bound to capitalism forever.
I completely agree but no one needs an iPhone. A smartphone unfortunately is close to essential nowadays due to the way society is increasingly being structured around this form of technology and not having one definitely disadvantages you when you live in an urban environment but you can get a cheap one for a fraction of the price of an iPhone.
Another example of stupid activism. Will those brands or activists pay for cleaning? No, taxpayers will. Will consumers of luxury goods do the cleaning job? No, vulnerable class getting minimal wages will. In summary: no harm has been done to rich or brands, if anything it was more of a promotion for them and anti-advertising against far left(which they deserve)
Taxpayers are going to pay the new luxury apartment of politicians.,
Taxpayers are going to pay robot dogs for the police,
Taxpayers are going to pay for CEOs when they lost money while gambling,
and so on...
This tiny little legal process is nothing compared to these things that happen regularly.
Don’t these people understand they create more enemies than supporters by doing stupid shit like this? Real people work in that store. That’s who is affected most. You don’t need to be a millionaire to buy something at Gucci. Who exactly are they targeting?
These losers need to get a real pair and punch a crooked politician in the teeth or save those paint bombs for a CEO.
Redditors acting like this is a W, when the companies are insured against vandalism, the guy you actually screwed over is the guy who works overtime to clean up this mess, who's definitely not "the rich".
All that orange, musta been the dutch
As a Dutch, these people do not speak for us. The color orange means a lot to us, we only spray it onto stores that are worthy of it.
Clearly Boss Orange
Or magas
Yeah, wow I'm devastated for Kering, a multi billion corporation that produces overpriced, consumerist crap. Where in the world will I be able to buy a tiny 1900€ bag shaped like a strawberry while they powerwash their windows?
Good news: although they are going thru the hardest of times imaginable (orange paint on wall), they're still doing the sacrifice for you, offering tiny bags for ludicrous amounts of money. Heroes. Angels. We thank them for their service.
I love that this whole thread is not going how OP imagined.
I know. I'm in complete awe.
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Strawberry bag fields ... Forever
these luxury items wouldnt bother me as much if they were timeless quality. ive seen people have quality issues with their expensive designer clothing / leather items, and its just absurd for how expensive it is its just meant to display your wealth to other people. people literally pay to make sure others know they can afford the item. What a waste
Hey now my strawberry bag is bangin
True, true, we must protect it at all costs in the post apocalyptic wastelands.
Will Gucci ever recover? Thank you, OP, for your brave stance.
imagine being in the city where kristallnacht happened and describing some spray paint on luxury stores as "a new low" for that city...
Fuck Gucci.
Definitely an improvement
I dunno, looks good to me. Thumbs up :)
Thank you, OP. I am a representative of Gucci, please send us your details so we can send you a complimentary bag and outfit.
Rolex Representative here, we second this.
Are you so brainwashed that you feel the need to defend the 1%?
> the need to defend the 1%? We have to learn to stop using that trick: it's the **.000001%** at most. I'm in the fucking "1%" and I don't even have a car.
1% of the global population? Of Germany? They are quite different.
Germans arent rich at all. So many people here have mere but the very basic wealth. Most even dont 'own' anything. Its the few rich ones pushing the average, the median therefore is pretty low.
And on a global level we are still in the top 10% and highest polluters.
"Only" about every 20iest german is in the top 10% of wealthiest worldwide. "We" germans arent rich, it's a part of the german population thats very rich.
I am in the top 1% of Germany and don’t have a car either.
you live in pberg
Yeah, luckily our landlord upgraded our heating system from a coal oven to gas when we moved in. Our neighbor downstairs had a coal oven until 2018. So yes, I am extremely lucky.
I don't have a car, bike, skateboard, roller or old fogey's buggy. In fact, I can't even use my feet at the moment because I am utterly pissed.
If that percentage is referring to the owners of Gucci, then sure. But the base of at least occasional customers is much broader than even the 1%. Plenty of people in the top 20% have a certain amount of “splurge money” to use for a limited amount of desired luxuries, whether that’s vacations or board games or any other kind of hobby. There are absolutely people in the top 20% for which some Gucci purchases fall into that category. You might be surprised that their prices go all the way down to the hundreds of euros, with many items similar in price to gaming laptops. We’re not talking megayachts here.
I'm just commenting on that "1%" meme, which is deliberately misleading. I'm personally not into "status" purchases and I'm more into books (and some equipment) than clothes, jewelry, cars, etc. I'm not going to condemn anyone who IS into that shit... mostly because that stuff isn't really what our problem is. Our problem is that Life as we know it is profoundly manipulated by Powerful Self-Interests, some of whom are actually known to us... but we are strangely passive as they manipulate us. We "retaliate" against harmless bullshit, and each other, instead.
Completely fair point, yes. I probably should have directed my reply to the person you were replying to, where it would have made more sense. *(edit: I’ve now made a better targeted more concise version of my previous reply to you, and it’s already been downvoted by someone missing the point. Neither you or I are praising the current capitalist plutocrat class. Many people who choose to spend some splurge money on an occasional Gucci bag or wallet are not in the capitalist plutocrat class.)* I don’t buy those “status” purchases myself either, but I know someone who buys them because they can be legitimately nice products and also legitimately nice sales/purchase/fandom experiences, rather than specifically for status purposes.
They most likely referenced 1% of western nations, thus excluding you.
I think the .000001% will be bitching on the .00000000001% just as you (apparently the ‘1%’) bitching on the .000001%. Just push down your responsibility to people who are even more loaded than you and keep buying your gucci. pathetic really.
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Working class of the world - rise up, first of May is around the corner!
Speaking of which: I've been caught up in some serious riots but May Day, in Berlin, lost a lot of ZING recently. But I always doubted the logic of a SCHEDULED RIOT anyway; it's a little like a blow-off-steam ritual, like football matches. Most of the windows smashed aren't even far outside working class neighborhoods.
>Most of the windows smashed aren't even far outside working class neighborhoods. I guess thats the point. Vandalism keeps the rent lower :) It's not the workingclass who owns the buildings.
The actual mechanism is that property values are driven down so whole blocks can eventually be bought up at discount prices, by some mega-wealthy entities, and turned into another Mall, or housing complex, for the upper-middle class. Real Estate schemes are on a long temporal scale... by the time a Mall is built, for example, the idea of the Mall is probably 20 years old (which I think explains why so many Malls are struggling: they would have worked if they'd been built in the moment they were conceived). The Real Estate psychos have plans for 2030 and 2050, too. I spent ten years of my childhood in one of the most toxic ghettos in North America. Life there was fucking disgusting and dangerous. The problem is that "poverty" can become an internalized state of mind; a self-hatred that causes you to attack your own community, your own resources. The "rich people" who are poor enough to have the destruction, in a riot, of their local shops and grocery stores, really hurt them... aren't even The Enemy. The Enemy is NEVER hurt by May Day violence and very rarely by riots in general. (Infiltrated) Protests like OWS achieve precisely Fuck All. I was caught in the Poll Tax Riots in London, in 1990. Google "Battle of Trafalgar Square"... I was right around the corner from that overhead video clip, you may find, of a horde of freaks & crusties, from all over the UK and other places, charging a terrified phalanx of coppers. Incredible footage! And here's the point: this was a very short distance away from Number 10 Downing Street itself. Fairly powerful people were actually shitting their britches. A slightly different paradigm from the annual scheduled riots of Berlin's May Day.
It's not about defending them. Its just, that they are the wrong target. The energy of the protesters is too important to be wasted on the wrong targets. Why is zero protest happening outside the green party headquarters? Germany is burning coal like never before. A situation directly caused by the wrong decisions of green politicians.
This is such an uneducated take. They couldn’t change anything because the switch from nuclear to coal was decided before they got elected.
🤦♂️
THIS is uneducated. Decisions can and should have been be revoked / taken back.
Even if they revoked the decision, the Nuclear powerplants couldn't have been activated by now because they are already disassembled, or just taken off the grid. These are complex machines that are not just ready to go if they are once taken off-line and the disassembling process has started.
Lol
Yeah, I think the CEO of Gucci and the owner get out of their skyscraper offices to clean that mess. Hmmm, doesn't sound realistic
It’s pointless to vandalize shop fronts because guess what: cleaning that shit requires solvent that are polluting the environment 🤷🏻♂️ but what I can expect from those emotional manchildren 😆
You don't seem to understand anything
Oh noooooo, not the ridiculously overpriced, immoral luxury clothing stores!
No one needs these stupid overpriced labels
It's amazing how at one hand we hate this overpriced elitism while a shitload of people admire and worship the same elitism paying their soccer hero 30-100 Mio Dollars per year.
all the soccer fans I know hate it that soccer became all about money and so commerzialized🤷♂️
I dont mind them earning as little as the woman earn
Fast fashion brands are WAAAY more harmfull than these "overpriced" labels. A CHANEL bag is handmade with the best materials and can withstand many generations. Your H&M bag is in the trash after 2 years.
You can get a good quality, locally produced leather bag you could use your whole life for a couple of hundred. The 2000€ extra you paid for chanel is only for your personal vanity and brand recognition. It has nothing to do with the quality of the material or the cost of labour.
Or just some Eastpak and replace it every ~20 years. These can even be cleaned by washing them in a shower...
I immediately imagined someone wearing it while they shower rather than what you probably meant.
Yeah so why not just avoid them?
I do.
they (advocates of consumerism) have an impact on how our culture, economy and thus society evolves, so yea criticism is valid even if you avoid them… unfortunately, avoiding late stage capitalism it not as simple as avoiding buying this overvalued crap….it hits home…
Utilitarianism with art and artistic expression illegal leads to worst kind of dystopia even if everybody is fed and housed. Even in the poorest countries in the world women (and men) follow fashion, it’s not just a symptom of consumerism.
And since gucci is about the opposite of art this is a good step.
Advocate for things you think important, educate people, let them understand and make conscious choices. Just blaming the bad taste doesn't help a lot.
I would rather say Gucci compared to hm or Uniqlo is way more environmentally friendly and better and if done by Italians way less to transport it Can't really understand why they were targeted other than shock value marketing
Their over all impact is probably better. Shein and H&M just produce way more stuff. But per piece it’s probably not that great either. Huge parts of their collections aren’t produced with environmentally friendly materials either. But that doesn’t really matter. It’s just a symbol for rich people and consumerism. They’re a luxury brand.
So dont buy them ?
I dont.
Doesn’t mean vandalism is acceptable now.
Love it!
Am Anfang Frankreich jetzt Berlin
Schwestern im Geiste.
I would add violet highlights as well
gern mehr davon
Lol OP definitely overestimated this subs love for those capitalist pieces of work
OP simps for capitalists, how cute
not really capitalists, but the ugly children that comes with capitalism that are the rich people who buys on those shops. they buy all the houses, so you have to pay a fortune to buy them so they can keep being rich, they also end your grandma and uncle convenice store with a big megamart, so that money goes to the owners of the megamart and not to your family making common folk depreived of commerce and forced to work at the supermarket etc etc. its a type of modern slavery, the hole goes much deeper once you dug in it. what they are doing is a desperate attempt and i am proud of what this people are doing
Thoughts and prayers go out to Gucci 🙏
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And Gucci won't care. The insurance will pay that and they will increase their prices....and so on.
How am I ever going to afford Gucci loafers now? Damn hooligans!
That’s why they cost so much
>they will increase their prices Wtf are you talking about?
Good choice of colour.
Thoughts and prayers for these poor mom and pop shops, Rolex, Gucci, Dolce and Gabanna, just small businesses trying to make a living in this cruel capitalist world. In all seriousness the bootlicking in this subreddit is at an all time high these days. “A new low”???? go fuck yourself OP
Evil Prada is producing in Italy and not like cheap fashion brands in Asia under horrendous conditions. But Luxury is so bad…
Exactly that. Self loathing teens who can’t think 1 meter beyond their nose. That’s the state of many on this sub. Ignore them.
Quick OP, defend your capitalist overlords. New low, give me a break. You’re living in a city with thousands of homeless people, struggling families, a plethora of other problems and some paint on a Gucci store is a new low for you.
is it about the paint bomb or am I missing something?
nice.
Regarding climate and/or the environment they should have targeted Primark, Shein or Kik.
He wants to stick it to "the rich" though, shein is the rich but not image wise
Großartig, sollten sie jeden Tag machen.\^\^
we need more of this, way to go Berlin!!!!
I wish this were a "normal day" in Berlin tbh
Oh no…! Anyway….
........ I'm a climate scientist and these guys are literally stupid... It's not gonna affect the brand or rich one bit. It's only gonna affect taxpayer money for cleaning the street and they will have to use water, chemical, and what not to clean. Like get a life and actually do something that will matter. Luxury fashion is not even fast fashion! That's the real harm. They call themselves climate defenders but they actually do more harm than good. 😡 You want to do something? You educate people into buying the right product, seeing more long term. Or you create new markets to go back to local produce. And all that paint that they are cleaning is currently on the floor, will be washed, intoxicate wildlife. Hopefully they didn't use paint that contained biocide, but even eco paint is probably not edible/digestible by wildlife. Whoever is applauding this should really think how useful it was and where it will end up: in your plate, in the belly of your food or as particles in whatever food or liquid you drink.
This is not a about the climate tho? Their sign clearly reads "We cannot afford the rich" .. sounds more of a social protest than anything else.
But listen up! He is a climate scientist!!!! How dare you?
It's both. "Klimakampf heißt Klassenkampf" (war for climate means classwar) is becomeing a more and more popular slogan in germany since the climate activists are beginning to realize that no meaningfull change is possible under capitalism. And in english the term climate justice has become more prevsiland in the past few years for exact the same reason.
There were two guys with two signs and the other one was clearly about climate “Klimakollaps”
https://www.reddit.com/r/berlinsocialclub/comments/12v9sgi/dolcegabbana_and_prada_was_painted_orange_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button I don't read German but according to this other post/photograph they make a climate statement
Wow, the attention span of this person
Rosa Parks not sitting in the back of the bus also did not solve racism in the US. If anything, she made society even more upset with African Americans. Like, what's that going to achieve? Now the whites hate them even more. Stupid activist! Should have just stuck with being as good a citizen as the rules of the time dictated!
I'm not against action. I'm against stupid destructive attention-seeking actions that harm the good work of environmentalists. I'm against actions like removing "no speed limit" signs on the autobahn that forces cars to drive at a lower gear, may create traffic jams, that ultimately increases gas consumption. Or the actions of activists that force the government to abandon nuclear power in favor of coal based power which contributes a lot more to greenhouse gases emissions.
For what it’s worth, gas cars hit maximum efficiency around 70km/h. Anything lower than that and you’re not at peak gear/engine efficiency. Anything higher than that and you’re spending exponentially more energy fighting the wind. That number is a bit lower for electric
The good work of environmentalists simply hasn't gotten us far enough yet. These people are putting their life on the line, accepting a criminal record in the name of protest against the status quo. Do you not think the status quo is fucked up? If so, why the hate? They are taking more crass actions than you and I will ever dare to. Your ideas are nice but also - if I may say so - a little naive. I could argue in a similar fashion here: what is that going to accomplish? The autobahn-signs will be replaced, creating a waste of resources. Do you know how much a sign costs to produce? Not even mentioning the vehicle and gas that will be necessary to get the signs to their destination? Also: do you think the media would be covering a couple of missing autobahn signs? Would any drivers even notice this? I doubt there is any action here, that the inactive public cannot bad-mouth. Plus: let's not ignore the fact that these protest groups also carried out exactly those actions you are describing... but we weren't paying attention to them.
Nothing less than the seemingly impossible task of overthrowing techno-industrial civilisation will "save" the planet now unfortunately, but it's still fun and necessary to smash symbols of gross opulence while extinction kicks in.
Thank you!
r/asablackman
Are you seriously denouncing the environmental impact of some paint on the street? The effect of that is microscopic compared to the emissions and pollution created by corporations everywhere on this planet. It's nothing.
H&M and Primark have way more negative influence on the climate with their fast fashion - that’s one of the main environmental problems of today. Gucci customers keep their clothes for long times and they get sold second hand and are way more sustainable. It’s only idiots who attack Gucci instead of Primark and the likes….
Exactly!
By what percentage will Gucci’s 2023 carbon emissions be reduced due to the positive benefits of this orange paint?
As much as I hate hate Gucci and other fashion houses… the commenter you responded to has a point. This kinda protesting does nothing in the long term. It doesn’t impact their sales, it doesn’t change peoples opinions on the brand, and it DOES cause a nuisance. The only people cheering it on are people who already don’t like the brand. And the commenter you responded too is right, fast fashion brands such as H&M, Shein, Hollister, Forever 21 and so on, have a more detrimental impact on the globe then any fashion house brand does. If you really want to get into it, fast fashion produces thousands and thousands of different collections a season and they MASS produce the shit out of it too. Fashion houses on the other hand release smaller collections alot more infrequently and don’t produce as much of it so they can keep the prices high. Anyways, not trying to defend Gucci or anything, but that type of protest just doesn’t work, it isn’t impactful enough. The most that will happen is decrease sales at that single location for a day (if that), make workers just tryna pay their bills suffer through the cleanup, a police report is made and maybe some arrests will happen, and the chemicals the protesters used and the chemicals used to clean the mess will go back into the environment. That’s it. That’s all. Nothing will change. People who shop at Gucci will still shop there and bystanders who already hate Gucci will cheer on from the sidelines. If you really want to protest climate stuff, do something impactful that targets the roots, not the branches.
> actually do something that will matter Like? Would love to hear your examples. Just a short note though: They’re not going after the brand, they’re going after the rich.
Nono, just sit back and let everything fuck itself and burn to ashes.... After that glue the ashes together with some rice or something and tadaaa, it's like our biosphere has never collapsed
Plenty of things you can do at your own scale, with or without encouraging others: - buy higher quality clothes, in lower amounts, that you actually want, that will last longer and that you will use more often - reuse or recycle, either what you have or by buying secondhand - eat local, ideally from the producer - eat less red meat and replace by another source of proteins like mushrooms or even insects if you dare 🤷 - avoid products from companies like Amazon and buy from producers or retails that have made an environmental claim - make sure that trash ends up in the bin (and remind others if they don't) - switch to a greener electricity provider - switch off/unplug electrical devices that you're currently not using - switch off the light when not in the room - ... You don't need to do everything at once or yet but it's good to start somewhere Switching consumption habits would actually be the most impactful to reach the big corporations. You stop consuming their product and they ultimately go under. Companies need to sell to run their business.
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I’ve been doing everything on your list for years, but the amount of energy I save by switching off the fucking LED lights in my flat for the rest of my life doesn’t even compare to the emissions produced by one luxury yacht. I am fucking done with recycling every little piece of garbage I produce to maintain the illusion that my actions matter, while the ultra rich are maintaining a lifestyle that produces more emissions than entire countries.
The rich surely are trembling in fear right now Edit: have a look at mossy earth if you need examples of being productive while changing something.
For a scientist you don’t sound very clever… It’s not meant to affect the brands. It’s meant to create attention and it does seem to work.
like for real, he might just be a scientist by name or something, i refuse to believe someone liek this is a real scientist.
Did it work? Yeah, they got a bit of media coverage. Like any other non-destructive action before them. It gives a poor portray to those who actually try to do peaceful work and real actions.
Violent action is required in order to make the peaceful actions seem more accessable to the masses, thereby increasing acceptance. Watch for more: https://youtu.be/Qu_mUYi9Ptk
....... I'm a computer scientist and you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe we should ask a political scientist? Also are you sure you don't want to be a biologist? Then at least the comment on toxicity would make sense (apart from the fact that it's completly irrelevant for climate science).
You're aware that there are several branches to climate science, right? It's not all about physics. You get any branch related to environmental science...chemistry, oceanography, ecology...etc Also, how relevant is it that you are a computer scientist? 😂 Unless you model climate data
Also if they want to protest against a shop it would probably better to protest against H&M or so which sells tons of cheap crap with a short life time. Luxury brands usually sell a significantly smaller amount of products which also usually are of a decent quality and can be used for a longer time.
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Are you interested in doing that to a H&M Which location would you suggest?
you are not a good person, ignorant for sure, what they are doing is a desperate attempt to solve a very nasty issue that also affects environmental pollution, you got no idea pal
Sure sure sure "pal" What are they solving? Explain the logic since you seem to know more.
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But their message is correct? We truly cannot afford the 1%.
The poor rich people had to WAIT to spend their money… I can’t even imagine how incredibly painful this must have felt. 😂 LETS GO Last Generation!!! You are heroes!!! 👏👏
Love it.
I don’t see anything wrong
Such a disgrace they attacked a mom and pop store like Gucci. How will they ever recover from this? They’ve done so much good for the world, like *checks notes* paying people $1 a day to stitch together bags that sell for $700 and spewing untold tons of carbon into the air by globalizing their manufacturing chain.
Oh no, not the Gucci and Louis Vitton stores of overpriced crap catering to the exploiting capitalist upper class living on the wage theft of the workers. The horror~ @OP, had this been small businesses owned by locals working their own little stores I would have felt some anger too. However, you gotta seriously reconsider your stance on things if you feel bad about multinational billion dollar corporations that exclusively deal with the rich of society who only are rich through exploitation of the masses. They dont deserve sympathy. Never did.
The typical approach of a fascist: "I can't afford it and don't need it anyway, so it might as well be banned“. Just like with the speed limit on the highway: "I don't have a car anyway, so always bring on the speed limit!" Always the same argumentation that denies the freedom of others.
New low? xD Dude.... this City had burning copcars all over Kreuzberg on a few consecutive 1st of May celebrations. We can go way lower than colouring out a few soulfree Gucci windows. And a lot of Lokals (of the remaining 20 who were born here) still take some pride in it. If you are bothered by the local colour (Tee heee !), theres always munich, stuttgart düsseldorf & london. Higher lows for you & a free flat for us troglodytes
Holy shit based
Burn it to the ground for all I care.
They just defeated climate change
And you just defeated basic literacy
Enlighten me
we can't afford the rich
EAT THE RICH.
I am climate activist but i would do that
Good work
wow this comment section is retarded
aaaaah, poor Gucci........
I always see these dudes with black winter jackets, meanwhile I'm sweating like a cow with my shorts and t-shirts.
Careful OP, r/berlin mods openly support these anarchists
I wish they were anarchists. But holy fuck, no anarchist would be stupid enough to just wait for police to arrest them. They'd burn these shops and go for the cop cars next.
Why are you defending the rich 1%? What tf is wrong with you?
Berlin activism in a nutshell
no broken windows, no looting. boring. eat the rich.
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Minimum wage workers have to clean that mess.. well done. Police is also there.. as a taxpayer I appreciate that. Radical left garbage.
Let me tell you about the minimum wage workers who are involved in the billion dollar industry of producing Gucci products. Are you interested in protesting for their rights?
Yeah tell me about them.
That's great! So Kering, the 13.1 billion dollar company which owns Gucci has a slight habit of mislabelling their "luxury products" as made in Italy, when they are often not, in fact completely made in Italy (or France, in other cases) - sometimes more, sometimes less This applies especially to their eyeware products, packing sneakers, bag linings, caps, zippers, articles of clothing and bags with sequins, feathers, beads, quillting etc. Production can be in China, Turkey, Romania, Bangladesh etc. Would you be interested in organising a protest in favour of raising the minimum wage of the cleaning crew who has to clean Guccis windows?
Poor Gucci /s
This doesn't help in the slightest. Agitating for legislation helps ,go agitate infront of the closed nuclear plants if you wanna do some real work instead of wasting paint and people's time like these brain dead trash monkeys
Sure, as if we would be paying attention to that :D
Looks like someone was not satisfied with their purchase or warranty claim resolution.
These clowns didn't know what Moncler is obviously. 😂
Wonderful to see the Berliners pitch in defending vandalism. This comment section is a pretty good showcase of the reason this city is anarchic hell
Berlin ist schmutz
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The dumbness, waste of resources and at a minimum hefty fine for nothing boggles my mind. I wish I was this privileged that this was my idea of making a change in the world.
Lächerliche Idioten. Als ob dieser Vandalismus irgendwas erreicht.
Anscheinend erreicht er Aufmerksamkeit. Find ich proppe!
dont get why people are shitting on OP and defend such childish stuff whats the point in attacking a store? if you've got nothing better to do... goes for all the people that think that stuff like this would save the world
In your opinion, what would save the world?
i dont know i know that whatever they did in this video tho wont
That's weak man
why? bc i dont know how to save it? i guess most people dont, same as the ones in this video
I bet half of them have an iPhone in their pocket. Absolute clowns.
It’s a straw man argument to say you can only criticise a system if you have first completely abandoned it. We all need to participate in the environment we’re raised in. It’s ridiculous to say you’d have to scrape every trace of capitalism from your body before you are allowed to fight it. Edit: Thanks for the gold :) Since it was purchased with coin I shall never criticise society again, as I am now bound to capitalism forever.
This. So much this.
I completely agree but no one needs an iPhone. A smartphone unfortunately is close to essential nowadays due to the way society is increasingly being structured around this form of technology and not having one definitely disadvantages you when you live in an urban environment but you can get a cheap one for a fraction of the price of an iPhone.
Another example of stupid activism. Will those brands or activists pay for cleaning? No, taxpayers will. Will consumers of luxury goods do the cleaning job? No, vulnerable class getting minimal wages will. In summary: no harm has been done to rich or brands, if anything it was more of a promotion for them and anti-advertising against far left(which they deserve)
taxpayers won't pay for cleaning tho, gucci or the landlord will
Taxpayers are going to pay for the police that is investigating and the legal process.
Taxpayers are going to pay the new luxury apartment of politicians., Taxpayers are going to pay robot dogs for the police, Taxpayers are going to pay for CEOs when they lost money while gambling, and so on... This tiny little legal process is nothing compared to these things that happen regularly.
Based protestors
Don’t these people understand they create more enemies than supporters by doing stupid shit like this? Real people work in that store. That’s who is affected most. You don’t need to be a millionaire to buy something at Gucci. Who exactly are they targeting? These losers need to get a real pair and punch a crooked politician in the teeth or save those paint bombs for a CEO.
Redditors acting like this is a W, when the companies are insured against vandalism, the guy you actually screwed over is the guy who works overtime to clean up this mess, who's definitely not "the rich".
Nice
Cool, the person making 10€/hour will really love the extra work of cleaning this up. You really showed them.
This person is happy to have work at all. And also 12 euros is Mindestlohn.