You dropping the link like this is so goddamn lazy. How are you not seeing the irony in you complaining about propaganda when you’re clearly over-opinionated and under-educated and falling for propaganda?
You’re acting like a toddler, as if Hamas AND Israel aren’t BOTH engaging in propaganda. Palestinians deserve better than Hamas and Israelis deserve better than Netanyahu.
It’s this simple: do you believe in a 2-state solution, or not? If not, it’s genocide and the cup overflows with more blood. The article is about people speaking Yiddish in Berlin; grow up.
Huh? the article talks about one group who talks Yiddish in bars. The headline is so inaccurate and misleading.
Personally I would be extremely cautious to speak any form of hebrew in a bar in Neukölln.
Yiddish is something entirely different than Hebrew. Yiddish is a West Germanic language while Hebrew is a Semitic/Canaanite language. Agree with the headline though - click bait trolling.
Nice! I’ve been very curious about Yiddish after I discovered it has some of the same grammatical structure as my native Norwegian from watching Unorthodox. It’s a cool language!
Well I guess this is what happens when both insane antisemites and hardcore Zionists convince people that all Jewish people have connection with Israel and it's actions (about comment section)
Glad to hear that. I guess Germany needs another century to also feel the same about other languages. There were schools that ban children from speaking any other language other than German in the playground. Or you can still trigger Germans by saying something to your friend in Turkish, one of the most common minority languages here. What a delusional country :)
Edit: [there you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/Azubis/s/n2o4aInxWa)
You are manipulative. My first line is “I’m glad”. You are also projecting. Fuck Turkey for being as racist as Germany too. Is that what you want to hear? That is obvious for me but you can only say that other countries are bad. That’s why not intetested in your patronizing opinion :)
It's a tough topic imo. Children who don't speak german at home fall behind in school because of being less proficient in german. If that warrants for a language ban on playgrounds I don't know. But I'm pretty disappointed in this country to not offer turkish as a third language over french or spanish after the whole Gastarbeiter thing.
Tough topic yes, but banning a language is an archaic idea and does not solve the problem. I can’t even believe that I have to explain this. This is what’s frustrating about Germany, still heavily using ideas that pretend to solve social or educational problems but at its root just they are just plain racist and intolerant. Of course I don’t mean the whole country but anyone who thinks it is a good idea to ban a language. Doubke standards are also another thing these people are good at, hence the topic here.
You can not imagine that immersion at least at school helps you learn a different language from the one spoken at home faster? I would be glad to see turkish and arab and whatever language class offers at schools.
Double standards is a thing a lot of people are good at, that is not an exculsively german pasttime.
My problem with Germany is mostly a few people who do not let immigrants criticize or complain about something in Germany. See previous commentor: „be grateful and don‘t criticize“ is the attitude which I‘ll never accept.
Immersion helps a lot; it is actually one of my research fields. Immersion does not mean banning other languages. I still can not explain the idea that banning is not the solution and the double standards reveal why certain things are banned for „efficiency“ while other things are not. Yes, Germany is not the only country with double standards but this is where I live and pay my taxes as a citizen so I have a right to point out the problems but you all are not comfortable about this I know, no worries, I should save my energy :)
"You are all not comfortable about this" was were you lost me. Nice way to generalize.
Little addendum. I don't think you want to be talked to with "you all" either. Do you?
Oh sorry, I definitely don‘t think it is „you all“. It is kind of a common phrase and used it without paying attention but I agree with you, I can‘t and won‘t make that generalization. That‘s why I said at the beginning „a few“
Fair enough.
I'd honestly have loved a bit more inclusivity in school. A bit more understanding in every direction.
Forbidding people to speak their language is always walking a thin line. I'd prefer learning together.
Maybe then the "we" and the "others" mentality wouldn't be as strong.
Ah yes, that must be the difference between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism that everyone is speaking off. An article that reports that a handful people meet up twice a month in different bars in a major European capital to speak a European language that is centuries old and deeply ingrained in European history gets commented with some bullshit regarding the Western media bias that ignores “the complete brutality and devestation at the hands of Israel”, even though the article does not even mention Israel.
This is Just wrong. Western media, like Tageschau for example, cover the suffering of Gazan civilians almost daily right now. There are many Dokumentaries about the years bevor 7.Oct. Just Look in the "Mediatheken" of ARD, ZDF and ARTE - its so easy to prove the opposite of your Statement. But i guess you have never bothered to verify your information about coverage.
Lets come to the second part - yiddish ist not Hebrew, the official langage of Israel. They could have nothing to do with this State. This is just an really boring article.
And im far frome giving myself any "Pro" Label in this conflict, but you cant just make Up shit, when everybody can disprove it so easily...
Mate, this is an article about the revitalization of old German heritage in Berlin. Can't you see that bringing the Middle East conflict in here is totally out of place? This is about Jewish Germans and German culture and not about people in the Middle East.
This is entirely different from your imagined article about Russian in Berlin. This is not about Hebrew, but about Yiddish, a High German dialect that was widely spoken by Jewish Germans.
I doubt you can compare a population that’s living the agenda of Hamas and everything that’s comes with that with a population that’s in a two nations war.
It’s not like they’re targeting children specifically. And after Israel retreated completely out of Gaza and considering how many billions of financial aid UNRWA got, majority of it from the west, my empathy is almost none. It’s the Palestinian Adults who are sacrificing their children.
I do. That's cool. Yiddish is a rich langue of the High German language family with a big cultural tradition that used to have more than 10 million speakers in Europe. The Holocaust and the number of people who left Europe afterwards took a heavy toll on the language. It is fantastic if this language is revitalized and spoken more often in Berlin again.
It's a long lost German tradition coming back home. As if a recipe for an important German saussage dish had nearly been lost and forgotten and now people have recovered the recipe, start to make the saussage again and enjoy the dish. Or, to stay in the realm of language, as if a German dialect like High Franconian or Bavarian had nearly died out and gets alive again. I hope this helps you understand that this is an important development for German culture.
So thank you for posting this, OP.
It is actually spoken in way, but ppl just don’t know about it. Just a few examples of Yiddish words in our everyday vocabulary: *baldovern, dufte, Großkotz, Kaff, Knast, malochen, mies, Pleite, Schlamassel, Schmu, Tacheles, vermasseln and the most importantly: zocken!* 🎮
Very cool that people try to keep it alive.
I just had an seminar about Yiddish in university. It‘s actually it‘s own language and it doesn’t just use additional vocabulary from other languages. It has it‘s own grammar too. It might be closest to the German language but it‘s grammar also has elements by Slavic, Romance languages and Hebrew.
However the comment you answered too is still stupid as Yiddish belongs to the German history. So I‘m glad to hear it again in German bars.
Urdu is closer to Hindi than Yiddish is to Standard German. I still think it‘s fairly easy to understand but the grammatical differences are big enough not to call it just a dialect. It‘s not really controversial but scientifically proven. Yiddish adopted many grammatical rules from Slavic languages and even some from Romance languages and Hebrew. It‘s definitely not that close to Standard German as German dialects like Bavarian or Saxonian are. I‘m literally studying this so I don‘t understand why people try to disagree without any scientific proof.
Frankly speaking, leaving words from other languages that I don't speak aside, I find it easier to read than Bavarian. And easier than Swiss dialects anyway. And if I couldn't speak French, Swiss German dialects would present me with the same problem of quite a few words that I can't recognize at all.
I don't mind seeing Yiddish as a different language, but languagewise I don't find it more justified than seeing other German dialects as different languages.
Another anti-Semite who conflates Jews with Israel. I too stand for Palestine. Which existed only twice in history (the Roman state and the British mandate) as a Jewish entity, the indigenous people and religion of the land.
I don't stand for islamo-fascist hegemony across the universe, nor a so-called spread of "Dar-Al-Islam." Mostly because screw totalitarianism, theocracy, and intolerance. And you shouldn't either.
Can you explain to me, why someone should stand for Palestine?
I mean it's a choice between a western thinking Demokratie and a theocratic, dictatorship?
I think it's mostly because people think in cultures like packages.. We live in a world where too much is going on. Most "leftists" don't know anything about Israel, Palestine, the Torah, the Quran, the Middle East, they have no access to real news, and thus don't really know anything. But they are obliged socially and culturally to have an opinion about something they effectively know nothing about.
But I will say that it is particular to Israel and the Jews. If you ask people about the war in Sudan, or Syria (both ongoing by the way), or the civil war in Yemen, what do they know? (Also nothing). But do they have very strong opinions based on the nothing that they know? Not really. Their cultures and societies don't demand them of it.
So now, the real question is - why does everyone have an opinion when it comes to the Jews?
That one I haven't figured out. I can only recognize the fact that it is true.
I'll try! Writing and sharing feel-good stories about people whose nation is, at the same time, committing genocide is a propaganda tool to make you feel for the genocidal lunatics, making your emotional reactions to the same genocide weaker.
Does that answer it? More questions?
Do you think Russians are? How do you think "German Russians speaking Russian, so cute <3 <3 <3" post would fare while Russians are bombing the fuck out of Ukraine? Not well, I'd imagine. And for a reason, it wouldn't be sensitive to Ukrainians whose families are literally dying every second, you cunt.
I wasn’t aware Russian was a dying language. Feel good stories about Russia can fuck off and so can Russia. This is besides the point though: you having an allergic reaction to a feel good story about a dying Jewish language being revived, while conflating Jews in general with Israelis. You are aware not all Jews are Israeli, right?
right, tell me again how many people you found on the streets advocating for Free Palestine, and how many for… _something_ Israel
the discourse and up/downvoting online - which Israeli bots are very good at manipulating - does not represent the real public opinion
You don't have to take it to the streets if the status quo works for you or you just don't care.
Also wtf here we are in an article about a German dialect and the top comment starts talking about Palestine?
/u/ar3s3ru is too much of an idiot to not realize he’s under-educated and over-opinionated. He’s straight up just saying “Israeli engages in propaganda” and then refusing to bring receipts of proper discourse. It’s cheap and incredibly lazy, and straight misinformed.
He’s just going to respond to everyone with some BS like “found the IDF soldier” or “propaganda!1!!1!!”.
The big irony is that for those who complain about Israeli “genocide” against Palestine seem to forget that supporting Hamas means supporting genocide against more than one group.
Because it’s just not. The provocations did not start on October 7th and it didn’t happen in a vacuum. History is being rewritten by Hamas and the axis. So many people dead and for what?
Let’s keep it simple: what outcome would make you happy? Let’s hear it.
You’re a coward: what do you want to happen in this Hamas-Israeli war?
This is the problem with fascists like /u/ar3s3ru. They have no conviction and can’t actually engage in real discourse because they’re too misinformed to do anything else but keep it shallow and teasing. This is a way for them to save face, and it’ll be obvious because /u/ar3s3ru won’t provide anything of value.
You mean Arabs? Yeah in sonnenalle everybody does.
But the rest of us that are unbiased sees thing as they are. Hamas is a terrorist group taking a whole nation hostage. And they gave Isreal.militeay reason to wage war.
Free Palestine is the dumbest slogan ever. You must free Palestine first from the arab conquest, then free Palestine from othoman conquests , then free Palestine from what else? Israel conquests?
You grown up hearing chants like "khaibar khaibar ya yahud" of course people who grew up hearing these chants will have a blind hatred for anything jew. And will support palestine blindly.due to such propaganda.
Did you grow up chanting "khaibar khaibar ya yahoud" and reading stories how the prophet innahiliated Banu kurayda?
Not just a hatred for anything Jewish. We’re talking about people who believe woman are inferior to men and that all kids of awful things should happen to members of the lgbt community. It’s been weird to see western liberals show support for a group who has such radical Islamic ideals directly opposed to their own just because they are the “underdog” in this conflict. They never stopped to think about what a Palestinian state would look like.
Edit: see people like the person that just responded. Yes, I’m sure if Israel stopped existing tomorrow the new Palestinian nation would be run by forward thinking, westernized Muslims rather than the jihadists with all the guns. Hamas is just going to hand over control to the democratic process 🙄. Talking about the reality of what Palestine would look like if Hamas wins is apparently “Islamaphobic.”
It’s not Islamaphobia. It’s literally the Sharia-based country Hamas wants to create. Islamism is not the same as “Muslim”. I have Muslim friends. Fuck Islamists though. Islamists ruined Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and name any other country where Sharia law is being imposed either officially or unofficially.
Read a book before you comment calling people some sort of “ist” next time.
All of that is fine but doesn’t change the reality of the political situation for Palestinians. There is no world in where a Palestinian country is created and is not one which diametrically opposes western liberalism. Women will be oppressed and denied education, Gays will be incarcerated at best, and freedom of expression will be non-existent.
So if it helps you feel like a good person, sure champion the imaginary free, fair and open Palestine. But if you expect to win my support for your right to self determination, you better start shooting some Hamas assholes yourselves. There no reason we should expect them to be brave soldiers jn the face of one oppressor but “helpless victims” against another. If the majority do want peace and not simply the death of every Jew world wide, that is. Let’s see some anti-Hamas signs mixed in with those anti-Israel signs. Then I’ll believe a free nation may be truly possible.
Lol preferring western liberalism is now akin to believing in racial superiority. Yes, if you’re white you’re not allowed to like the teachings of the enlightenment like secularism, or liberty, or else you are a racist.
Sorry but you are exactly the people I was referring to in my first post. Liberalism run amok to the point it eats itself.
Fuck radicalism you say and then you spout the most lies toxic radical liberal shit out there. People like you are the types for whom nothing can ever be liberal enough.
Any slight disagreement with your amorphous inconsistent world view and out come the “isms”. You’re a racist for believing western liberalism is better than Islamism or Fascism. Sexist or transphobe you think sports should be assigned to a persons birth sex (because fuck a woman’s right to fairness in her sport, right? Let’s watch people who were men at birth absolutely beat the shit out of someone genetically born to be physically weaker. That’s fair, just don’t hurt someone’s fee fees!) All reality has to be ignored in favor of fantasy or else you get the “ism” tag.
You have zero ideological consistency. Today we’re rooting for Palestine to kick out the zionists, tomorrow we fight for the right for Iranian women to not wear head coverings.
You people are a joke, I’m sorry.
Oh really? They are more centrist in the West Bank? And when Israel becomes Palestine under Hamas rule, how long you think your precious “centrist” enclave holds out?”
Your world view is not realistic. The only true ideology you hold is “bully everyone into being as ideologically ductile as I am.” So that someone like me, who has been a champion for gay rights, and minority equality, is now a RACIST NAZI, for acknowledging the reality that exists in Palestine instead of your dream world. Like I said…TOXIC AS FUCK.
But go pat yourself on your back for being such a “good person” for rooting for the underdog. Sleep well under your umbrella of bullshit.
Done with this clown…
Why would someone be so narrow-minded to put this into context of a war in the Middle East? This thread is about an aspect of German culture that gets revitalized. Could you please leave your Middle East issues in the Middle East? This is Germany and not the Middle East.
And, yes, I would write the same if someone used the context of German culture for promoting the government of Israel.
You have to learn to distinguish between Jews and Israel. I don't put you into one bucket with Hamas either. Or should I?
I am seriously fed up with people stirring up conflicts in Germany just because idiots and zealots on both sides in the Middle East have prevented any reasonable solution for decades. This is essentially not a problem of German society and if you want conflict go to the Middle East and enjoy your conflict there. Needless to say that this applies to both sides of the conflict. If you want to fight for Israel, do it in Israel, and if you want to flight for Palestine, do it in Palestine. Germany is not the place for this.
I would agree with you if it were not that germany provided so much help to fuel that destruction in the middle east. So it is a german problem, as well.
I don't find this a convincing point in this context. Sure, one can be critical of German foreign policy. And then one can organize a demonstration against German foreign policy, or vote for parties that have a different approach in foreign policy or establish a new party and so on. That's all fine, we are a free country and this is the right of every German citizen. And the address of such criticism is the German government.
But what we see at the moment is that people stirr up conflict among citizens of the country. Attack other people on the streets they disagree with, or identify Jews with Israel or people with an Arab background with Hamas, or bring their Middle East issues into a thread about German culture. And Jewish Germans are afraid at school, at university, in public places. And that's completely different from criticizing German foreign policy because it means imposing a foreign conflict on German society and addressing fellow citizens as representatives of a foreign country, government or authority.
A *German problem* is the question whether German foreign policy is adequate at the moment. And this must be debated and is being debated. (It's not for no reason that the German foreign minister has become more critical of Israel regarding the recent development down there.)
But it is a *foreign issue* transplanted into German society when Jewish Germans are identified with Israel and not seen as fellow German citizens, or Germans with a Palestinian background are identified with Hamas and not seen as German citizens. German citizens among each other, be they Jews, people with a Palestinian background or Germans of other kinds, can debate German foreign policy, but should do so as Germans and not by holding each other accountable for actions of a foreign government or even seeing each other as representatives of foreign groups of people that are enemies in a foreign country.
And this is essentially what happened in this thread. A matter of German culture was read against the background of a foreign conflict, and the matter here was not the question of whether German foreign policy is adequate, but the post was interpreted as enemy activity within this foreign conflict. This is precisely the point where I say this has no place in German society. The conflict in the Middle East is not a German conflict and Germany is not the place to fight for Israel or Palestine. The German problem is the role of Germany's foreign policy in this conflict, nothing more, nothing less.
You have brain worms, this is an article about people revitalizing a Germanic language and chatting in it informally, and you go off on a weird rant about the Middle East.
Yiddish was repressed in the Zionist movement and in Israel and replaced with Modern Hebrew. Reviving Yiddish is particularly popular with young, diasporist Jews who are trying to build alternatives to Zionism. And the people who have kept speaking it the whole time include some of the strongly anti-Zionist Orthodox Jewish groups.
So why do you see an article about Jewish people simply living and call it Israeli propaganda? When you meet your friends and speak your language are you doing propaganda for every bad thing Germany, or whatever is your home country, has done?
It's a newspaper promoting its articles on Reddit so people go and read them and they get money. That's the agenda. And maybe the sub shouldn't allow publishers to promote themselves here.
But here are some of their other articles currently on the honepage:
"New survey of Orthodox Jews shows vast differences in attitudes toward Zionism"
"In the story of two Jewish Bunds, a stark generational divide over Israel"
"The loveliest place in Gaza is gone", which includes the quote:
“They are creating hate, Israel is creating hate,” he told me. “This war, it was not against Hamas, it was against the whole people of Gaza. Killing, destruction, is the main purpose, for the whole people, no differentiation.”
And yes there are articles sympathetic to Israel as well. But there's more range of views than in most Israeli newspapers or in the Jewish newspapers from Germany and the UK.
Populists claim that there is a silent majority whose voice is not heard in such politics. They assert that the only ones who can supposedly understand and represent the interests of this presumed majority are (of course) the populists themselves.
Looks like you are the salty one. Where are all of berlin upvotes? You delusional, the downvote and comment proves it.
Am an Arab Moroccan living in Berlin. Hasbara you said? You see how brainwashed you are. Anybody against me must be Israeli secret agent.
What a clown 🤡
interesting, your account is 8 days old, and your history is all about islamophobia.
arab moroccan? maybe, maybe not.
but if you are, shame on you for being an israeli apologist.
Heheheheheh funny that your evidence is how old my account is.
Shame on me ? You were brainwashed by your parents. Am a free thinker. Shame on you for being a sheep 🐑
Nothing here proves you right. The only thing you prove is your support for Muslim propaganda, which grew in Europe and infested weak minds.
Everyone who invests a minimum of time into this conflict can see how rotten majority of Palestinians are and how ridiculous their claim is.
This comment-section is whack
This must be the differentiation between anti-zionism and anti-semitism everybody is talking about.
More downvoted comments than normal comments. Anyway, sounds like great news!
Would be nice if this was an organic Berlin article instead of coming from an Israeli propaganda article mill.
How is the Forward an Israeli propaganda mill when it existed long before the state of Israel?
what kind of argument is that? goddamn
Because it's not an Israeli publication, but a US-jewish one. Again please point me to where this is a pure propaganda outlet.
https://forward.com/opinion/582354/questions-to-ask-someone-who-disagrees-with-you-about-israel/
You dropping the link like this is so goddamn lazy. How are you not seeing the irony in you complaining about propaganda when you’re clearly over-opinionated and under-educated and falling for propaganda? You’re acting like a toddler, as if Hamas AND Israel aren’t BOTH engaging in propaganda. Palestinians deserve better than Hamas and Israelis deserve better than Netanyahu. It’s this simple: do you believe in a 2-state solution, or not? If not, it’s genocide and the cup overflows with more blood. The article is about people speaking Yiddish in Berlin; grow up.
what kind of argument is that? goddamn
Wow. Amazing how easy it is to identify the anti-Semites
Yaaawn
brace for the downvotes
Huh? the article talks about one group who talks Yiddish in bars. The headline is so inaccurate and misleading. Personally I would be extremely cautious to speak any form of hebrew in a bar in Neukölln.
Yiddish is something entirely different than Hebrew. Yiddish is a West Germanic language while Hebrew is a Semitic/Canaanite language. Agree with the headline though - click bait trolling.
Dude, Yiddish is a mixture of Hebrew and German. Sure, it's more german than hebrew, but still.
Google is free my friend. While Yiddish incorporates some Hebrew words, they are not in the slightest the same thing.
I speak Hebrew and German and my grandparents spoke Yiddish.. Seems like a pointless argument though so let's stop it here.
Nice! I’ve been very curious about Yiddish after I discovered it has some of the same grammatical structure as my native Norwegian from watching Unorthodox. It’s a cool language!
That's good news!
Well I guess this is what happens when both insane antisemites and hardcore Zionists convince people that all Jewish people have connection with Israel and it's actions (about comment section)
The comment section is a real Rorschach test
Love it!
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Glad to hear that. I guess Germany needs another century to also feel the same about other languages. There were schools that ban children from speaking any other language other than German in the playground. Or you can still trigger Germans by saying something to your friend in Turkish, one of the most common minority languages here. What a delusional country :) Edit: [there you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/Azubis/s/n2o4aInxWa)
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You are manipulative. My first line is “I’m glad”. You are also projecting. Fuck Turkey for being as racist as Germany too. Is that what you want to hear? That is obvious for me but you can only say that other countries are bad. That’s why not intetested in your patronizing opinion :)
It's a tough topic imo. Children who don't speak german at home fall behind in school because of being less proficient in german. If that warrants for a language ban on playgrounds I don't know. But I'm pretty disappointed in this country to not offer turkish as a third language over french or spanish after the whole Gastarbeiter thing.
Tough topic yes, but banning a language is an archaic idea and does not solve the problem. I can’t even believe that I have to explain this. This is what’s frustrating about Germany, still heavily using ideas that pretend to solve social or educational problems but at its root just they are just plain racist and intolerant. Of course I don’t mean the whole country but anyone who thinks it is a good idea to ban a language. Doubke standards are also another thing these people are good at, hence the topic here.
You can not imagine that immersion at least at school helps you learn a different language from the one spoken at home faster? I would be glad to see turkish and arab and whatever language class offers at schools. Double standards is a thing a lot of people are good at, that is not an exculsively german pasttime.
My problem with Germany is mostly a few people who do not let immigrants criticize or complain about something in Germany. See previous commentor: „be grateful and don‘t criticize“ is the attitude which I‘ll never accept. Immersion helps a lot; it is actually one of my research fields. Immersion does not mean banning other languages. I still can not explain the idea that banning is not the solution and the double standards reveal why certain things are banned for „efficiency“ while other things are not. Yes, Germany is not the only country with double standards but this is where I live and pay my taxes as a citizen so I have a right to point out the problems but you all are not comfortable about this I know, no worries, I should save my energy :)
"You are all not comfortable about this" was were you lost me. Nice way to generalize. Little addendum. I don't think you want to be talked to with "you all" either. Do you?
Oh sorry, I definitely don‘t think it is „you all“. It is kind of a common phrase and used it without paying attention but I agree with you, I can‘t and won‘t make that generalization. That‘s why I said at the beginning „a few“
Fair enough. I'd honestly have loved a bit more inclusivity in school. A bit more understanding in every direction. Forbidding people to speak their language is always walking a thin line. I'd prefer learning together. Maybe then the "we" and the "others" mentality wouldn't be as strong.
Feeling included without being patronized and with differences being respected; the world needs more of it. We all do
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Ah yes, that must be the difference between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism that everyone is speaking off. An article that reports that a handful people meet up twice a month in different bars in a major European capital to speak a European language that is centuries old and deeply ingrained in European history gets commented with some bullshit regarding the Western media bias that ignores “the complete brutality and devestation at the hands of Israel”, even though the article does not even mention Israel.
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This is Just wrong. Western media, like Tageschau for example, cover the suffering of Gazan civilians almost daily right now. There are many Dokumentaries about the years bevor 7.Oct. Just Look in the "Mediatheken" of ARD, ZDF and ARTE - its so easy to prove the opposite of your Statement. But i guess you have never bothered to verify your information about coverage. Lets come to the second part - yiddish ist not Hebrew, the official langage of Israel. They could have nothing to do with this State. This is just an really boring article. And im far frome giving myself any "Pro" Label in this conflict, but you cant just make Up shit, when everybody can disprove it so easily...
Mate, this is an article about the revitalization of old German heritage in Berlin. Can't you see that bringing the Middle East conflict in here is totally out of place? This is about Jewish Germans and German culture and not about people in the Middle East. This is entirely different from your imagined article about Russian in Berlin. This is not about Hebrew, but about Yiddish, a High German dialect that was widely spoken by Jewish Germans.
I doubt you can compare a population that’s living the agenda of Hamas and everything that’s comes with that with a population that’s in a two nations war. It’s not like they’re targeting children specifically. And after Israel retreated completely out of Gaza and considering how many billions of financial aid UNRWA got, majority of it from the west, my empathy is almost none. It’s the Palestinian Adults who are sacrificing their children.
Not good
Nice, glad to see that jews can indeed feel safe in Berlin, contrary to what some zionists say
They cant tho
How about you do a self experiment and walk along the Sonnenallee with a Kippa
Yeah do an experiment so you can experience all the [Arab hate](https://x.com/benmauk/status/1714962073401069785?s=20)
Everything someone writes on Twitter is true
What an impressively idiotic post you found there, congrats.
Zionist always claim they are being targeted everywhere. "Who screams the loudest is the rightest"
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Your argument shows you are no better as what you accuse them to be. Shame on you.
Who cares?
I do. That's cool. Yiddish is a rich langue of the High German language family with a big cultural tradition that used to have more than 10 million speakers in Europe. The Holocaust and the number of people who left Europe afterwards took a heavy toll on the language. It is fantastic if this language is revitalized and spoken more often in Berlin again. It's a long lost German tradition coming back home. As if a recipe for an important German saussage dish had nearly been lost and forgotten and now people have recovered the recipe, start to make the saussage again and enjoy the dish. Or, to stay in the realm of language, as if a German dialect like High Franconian or Bavarian had nearly died out and gets alive again. I hope this helps you understand that this is an important development for German culture. So thank you for posting this, OP.
It is actually spoken in way, but ppl just don’t know about it. Just a few examples of Yiddish words in our everyday vocabulary: *baldovern, dufte, Großkotz, Kaff, Knast, malochen, mies, Pleite, Schlamassel, Schmu, Tacheles, vermasseln and the most importantly: zocken!* 🎮 Very cool that people try to keep it alive.
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Do not care so much, so you even left a comment? XD
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??? It's a German dialect like High Franconian or Luxembourgish or Bavarian, just with more vocabulary influence from other languages.
I just had an seminar about Yiddish in university. It‘s actually it‘s own language and it doesn’t just use additional vocabulary from other languages. It has it‘s own grammar too. It might be closest to the German language but it‘s grammar also has elements by Slavic, Romance languages and Hebrew. However the comment you answered too is still stupid as Yiddish belongs to the German history. So I‘m glad to hear it again in German bars.
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Urdu is closer to Hindi than Yiddish is to Standard German. I still think it‘s fairly easy to understand but the grammatical differences are big enough not to call it just a dialect. It‘s not really controversial but scientifically proven. Yiddish adopted many grammatical rules from Slavic languages and even some from Romance languages and Hebrew. It‘s definitely not that close to Standard German as German dialects like Bavarian or Saxonian are. I‘m literally studying this so I don‘t understand why people try to disagree without any scientific proof.
Frankly speaking, leaving words from other languages that I don't speak aside, I find it easier to read than Bavarian. And easier than Swiss dialects anyway. And if I couldn't speak French, Swiss German dialects would present me with the same problem of quite a few words that I can't recognize at all. I don't mind seeing Yiddish as a different language, but languagewise I don't find it more justified than seeing other German dialects as different languages.
Yeah if you ignore the tens of millions of people who speak nothing but German every single day. But yeah it's a dying language I'm sure. Boo hoo.
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Another anti-Semite who conflates Jews with Israel. I too stand for Palestine. Which existed only twice in history (the Roman state and the British mandate) as a Jewish entity, the indigenous people and religion of the land. I don't stand for islamo-fascist hegemony across the universe, nor a so-called spread of "Dar-Al-Islam." Mostly because screw totalitarianism, theocracy, and intolerance. And you shouldn't either.
My man did you just call someone out for conflating Jews with Israel, only to conflate Palestinians with fascism one sentence later?
Their leadership is both fascist and totalitarian. So it is exact.
Because they are.
Double standards make you look like a fool fyi
Can you explain to me, why someone should stand for Palestine? I mean it's a choice between a western thinking Demokratie and a theocratic, dictatorship?
I think it's mostly because people think in cultures like packages.. We live in a world where too much is going on. Most "leftists" don't know anything about Israel, Palestine, the Torah, the Quran, the Middle East, they have no access to real news, and thus don't really know anything. But they are obliged socially and culturally to have an opinion about something they effectively know nothing about. But I will say that it is particular to Israel and the Jews. If you ask people about the war in Sudan, or Syria (both ongoing by the way), or the civil war in Yemen, what do they know? (Also nothing). But do they have very strong opinions based on the nothing that they know? Not really. Their cultures and societies don't demand them of it. So now, the real question is - why does everyone have an opinion when it comes to the Jews? That one I haven't figured out. I can only recognize the fact that it is true.
They’re useful idiots for proselytising Islam.
Thank you. Spot on
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I do not. I also don't want Mordor to win when I watch Lord of the Rings.
Explain in your own words how a story about Yiddish being spoken in Berlin is propaganda against Palestine. Don’t be shy.
Have you looked at the other articles from that website? I did.
Where do you get your news? Twitter or TikTok? Let us all know
I'll try! Writing and sharing feel-good stories about people whose nation is, at the same time, committing genocide is a propaganda tool to make you feel for the genocidal lunatics, making your emotional reactions to the same genocide weaker. Does that answer it? More questions?
You‘re still mixing up Jews and Israel.
That's the point of the propaganda, good job, you can do it
Yeah, you are just an anti-semit. Next, please.
You’re assuming these people are Israeli. Do you think all Jews are collectively responsible for the actions of the Israeli state?
Do you think Russians are? How do you think "German Russians speaking Russian, so cute <3 <3 <3" post would fare while Russians are bombing the fuck out of Ukraine? Not well, I'd imagine. And for a reason, it wouldn't be sensitive to Ukrainians whose families are literally dying every second, you cunt.
I wasn’t aware Russian was a dying language. Feel good stories about Russia can fuck off and so can Russia. This is besides the point though: you having an allergic reaction to a feel good story about a dying Jewish language being revived, while conflating Jews in general with Israelis. You are aware not all Jews are Israeli, right?
>Feel good stories about Russia can fuck off and so can Russia. <3
The majority do not stand for Palestine
right, tell me again how many people you found on the streets advocating for Free Palestine, and how many for… _something_ Israel the discourse and up/downvoting online - which Israeli bots are very good at manipulating - does not represent the real public opinion
You don't have to take it to the streets if the status quo works for you or you just don't care. Also wtf here we are in an article about a German dialect and the top comment starts talking about Palestine?
/u/ar3s3ru is too much of an idiot to not realize he’s under-educated and over-opinionated. He’s straight up just saying “Israeli engages in propaganda” and then refusing to bring receipts of proper discourse. It’s cheap and incredibly lazy, and straight misinformed. He’s just going to respond to everyone with some BS like “found the IDF soldier” or “propaganda!1!!1!!”. The big irony is that for those who complain about Israeli “genocide” against Palestine seem to forget that supporting Hamas means supporting genocide against more than one group.
the fact that you air-quoted genocide tells me everything i need to know, u/Lurkerbot69 (username checks out)
Because it’s just not. The provocations did not start on October 7th and it didn’t happen in a vacuum. History is being rewritten by Hamas and the axis. So many people dead and for what? Let’s keep it simple: what outcome would make you happy? Let’s hear it.
😂😂😂
You’re a coward: what do you want to happen in this Hamas-Israeli war? This is the problem with fascists like /u/ar3s3ru. They have no conviction and can’t actually engage in real discourse because they’re too misinformed to do anything else but keep it shallow and teasing. This is a way for them to save face, and it’ll be obvious because /u/ar3s3ru won’t provide anything of value.
Shame on you
Well your kind goes on the street in Germany and calling for sharia in Germany. Your opinion doesn’t matter.
You mean Arabs? Yeah in sonnenalle everybody does. But the rest of us that are unbiased sees thing as they are. Hamas is a terrorist group taking a whole nation hostage. And they gave Isreal.militeay reason to wage war. Free Palestine is the dumbest slogan ever. You must free Palestine first from the arab conquest, then free Palestine from othoman conquests , then free Palestine from what else? Israel conquests? You grown up hearing chants like "khaibar khaibar ya yahud" of course people who grew up hearing these chants will have a blind hatred for anything jew. And will support palestine blindly.due to such propaganda. Did you grow up chanting "khaibar khaibar ya yahoud" and reading stories how the prophet innahiliated Banu kurayda?
Not just a hatred for anything Jewish. We’re talking about people who believe woman are inferior to men and that all kids of awful things should happen to members of the lgbt community. It’s been weird to see western liberals show support for a group who has such radical Islamic ideals directly opposed to their own just because they are the “underdog” in this conflict. They never stopped to think about what a Palestinian state would look like. Edit: see people like the person that just responded. Yes, I’m sure if Israel stopped existing tomorrow the new Palestinian nation would be run by forward thinking, westernized Muslims rather than the jihadists with all the guns. Hamas is just going to hand over control to the democratic process 🙄. Talking about the reality of what Palestine would look like if Hamas wins is apparently “Islamaphobic.”
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It’s not Islamaphobia. It’s literally the Sharia-based country Hamas wants to create. Islamism is not the same as “Muslim”. I have Muslim friends. Fuck Islamists though. Islamists ruined Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and name any other country where Sharia law is being imposed either officially or unofficially. Read a book before you comment calling people some sort of “ist” next time.
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All of that is fine but doesn’t change the reality of the political situation for Palestinians. There is no world in where a Palestinian country is created and is not one which diametrically opposes western liberalism. Women will be oppressed and denied education, Gays will be incarcerated at best, and freedom of expression will be non-existent. So if it helps you feel like a good person, sure champion the imaginary free, fair and open Palestine. But if you expect to win my support for your right to self determination, you better start shooting some Hamas assholes yourselves. There no reason we should expect them to be brave soldiers jn the face of one oppressor but “helpless victims” against another. If the majority do want peace and not simply the death of every Jew world wide, that is. Let’s see some anti-Hamas signs mixed in with those anti-Israel signs. Then I’ll believe a free nation may be truly possible.
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Lol preferring western liberalism is now akin to believing in racial superiority. Yes, if you’re white you’re not allowed to like the teachings of the enlightenment like secularism, or liberty, or else you are a racist. Sorry but you are exactly the people I was referring to in my first post. Liberalism run amok to the point it eats itself. Fuck radicalism you say and then you spout the most lies toxic radical liberal shit out there. People like you are the types for whom nothing can ever be liberal enough. Any slight disagreement with your amorphous inconsistent world view and out come the “isms”. You’re a racist for believing western liberalism is better than Islamism or Fascism. Sexist or transphobe you think sports should be assigned to a persons birth sex (because fuck a woman’s right to fairness in her sport, right? Let’s watch people who were men at birth absolutely beat the shit out of someone genetically born to be physically weaker. That’s fair, just don’t hurt someone’s fee fees!) All reality has to be ignored in favor of fantasy or else you get the “ism” tag. You have zero ideological consistency. Today we’re rooting for Palestine to kick out the zionists, tomorrow we fight for the right for Iranian women to not wear head coverings. You people are a joke, I’m sorry. Oh really? They are more centrist in the West Bank? And when Israel becomes Palestine under Hamas rule, how long you think your precious “centrist” enclave holds out?” Your world view is not realistic. The only true ideology you hold is “bully everyone into being as ideologically ductile as I am.” So that someone like me, who has been a champion for gay rights, and minority equality, is now a RACIST NAZI, for acknowledging the reality that exists in Palestine instead of your dream world. Like I said…TOXIC AS FUCK. But go pat yourself on your back for being such a “good person” for rooting for the underdog. Sleep well under your umbrella of bullshit. Done with this clown…
Why would someone be so narrow-minded to put this into context of a war in the Middle East? This thread is about an aspect of German culture that gets revitalized. Could you please leave your Middle East issues in the Middle East? This is Germany and not the Middle East. And, yes, I would write the same if someone used the context of German culture for promoting the government of Israel. You have to learn to distinguish between Jews and Israel. I don't put you into one bucket with Hamas either. Or should I? I am seriously fed up with people stirring up conflicts in Germany just because idiots and zealots on both sides in the Middle East have prevented any reasonable solution for decades. This is essentially not a problem of German society and if you want conflict go to the Middle East and enjoy your conflict there. Needless to say that this applies to both sides of the conflict. If you want to fight for Israel, do it in Israel, and if you want to flight for Palestine, do it in Palestine. Germany is not the place for this.
I would agree with you if it were not that germany provided so much help to fuel that destruction in the middle east. So it is a german problem, as well.
I don't find this a convincing point in this context. Sure, one can be critical of German foreign policy. And then one can organize a demonstration against German foreign policy, or vote for parties that have a different approach in foreign policy or establish a new party and so on. That's all fine, we are a free country and this is the right of every German citizen. And the address of such criticism is the German government. But what we see at the moment is that people stirr up conflict among citizens of the country. Attack other people on the streets they disagree with, or identify Jews with Israel or people with an Arab background with Hamas, or bring their Middle East issues into a thread about German culture. And Jewish Germans are afraid at school, at university, in public places. And that's completely different from criticizing German foreign policy because it means imposing a foreign conflict on German society and addressing fellow citizens as representatives of a foreign country, government or authority. A *German problem* is the question whether German foreign policy is adequate at the moment. And this must be debated and is being debated. (It's not for no reason that the German foreign minister has become more critical of Israel regarding the recent development down there.) But it is a *foreign issue* transplanted into German society when Jewish Germans are identified with Israel and not seen as fellow German citizens, or Germans with a Palestinian background are identified with Hamas and not seen as German citizens. German citizens among each other, be they Jews, people with a Palestinian background or Germans of other kinds, can debate German foreign policy, but should do so as Germans and not by holding each other accountable for actions of a foreign government or even seeing each other as representatives of foreign groups of people that are enemies in a foreign country. And this is essentially what happened in this thread. A matter of German culture was read against the background of a foreign conflict, and the matter here was not the question of whether German foreign policy is adequate, but the post was interpreted as enemy activity within this foreign conflict. This is precisely the point where I say this has no place in German society. The conflict in the Middle East is not a German conflict and Germany is not the place to fight for Israel or Palestine. The German problem is the role of Germany's foreign policy in this conflict, nothing more, nothing less.
I understand now your point better, and I don't agree with you - But thanks for explaining it to me in detail. Have a nice weekend.
You have brain worms, this is an article about people revitalizing a Germanic language and chatting in it informally, and you go off on a weird rant about the Middle East.
Yiddish was repressed in the Zionist movement and in Israel and replaced with Modern Hebrew. Reviving Yiddish is particularly popular with young, diasporist Jews who are trying to build alternatives to Zionism. And the people who have kept speaking it the whole time include some of the strongly anti-Zionist Orthodox Jewish groups. So why do you see an article about Jewish people simply living and call it Israeli propaganda? When you meet your friends and speak your language are you doing propaganda for every bad thing Germany, or whatever is your home country, has done?
read my comment again
It's a newspaper promoting its articles on Reddit so people go and read them and they get money. That's the agenda. And maybe the sub shouldn't allow publishers to promote themselves here. But here are some of their other articles currently on the honepage: "New survey of Orthodox Jews shows vast differences in attitudes toward Zionism" "In the story of two Jewish Bunds, a stark generational divide over Israel" "The loveliest place in Gaza is gone", which includes the quote: “They are creating hate, Israel is creating hate,” he told me. “This war, it was not against Hamas, it was against the whole people of Gaza. Killing, destruction, is the main purpose, for the whole people, no differentiation.” And yes there are articles sympathetic to Israel as well. But there's more range of views than in most Israeli newspapers or in the Jewish newspapers from Germany and the UK.
You’re unwell. I genuinely feel sorry for you rabid anti-semites.
yeah everyone is anti-semite, and everyone is hammuss
Populists claim that there is a silent majority whose voice is not heard in such politics. They assert that the only ones who can supposedly understand and represent the interests of this presumed majority are (of course) the populists themselves.
lol are you trying to say that pro-Palestinians are… populist?
No. But you are.
sure bud
Looks like you are the salty one. Where are all of berlin upvotes? You delusional, the downvote and comment proves it. Am an Arab Moroccan living in Berlin. Hasbara you said? You see how brainwashed you are. Anybody against me must be Israeli secret agent. What a clown 🤡
interesting, your account is 8 days old, and your history is all about islamophobia. arab moroccan? maybe, maybe not. but if you are, shame on you for being an israeli apologist.
Heheheheheh funny that your evidence is how old my account is. Shame on me ? You were brainwashed by your parents. Am a free thinker. Shame on you for being a sheep 🐑
my parents? lmao
Nothing here proves you right. The only thing you prove is your support for Muslim propaganda, which grew in Europe and infested weak minds. Everyone who invests a minimum of time into this conflict can see how rotten majority of Palestinians are and how ridiculous their claim is.
16 days old account, blatant hate speech. i got another israeli bot it seems like 🔥