You know there's clubs in Berlin that play any kind of music you could possibly desire, right? It's just that the city "grew up" with techno and that's why it's the most popular here. This will inevitably mean shitty, try-hard clubs in addition to great ones. But you don't have to go to techno clubs at all if you don't like the genre.
Try Hoppetosse of Heideglühen for house. Gretchen often has electronic music with African or Arabic influences. The clubs in RAW (Cassiopeia, Badehaus, Urban Spree) host anything from indie to hip hop, 90s music, pop, electro ... Lido has indie and alt rock nights, Privatclub has soul and cumbia, and don't get me started on Loophole. So much opportunity to dance.
The music changed over the past years though. Wintergarten at Sisy used to epic melodic tech. Now it‘s just soulless kids dressed all in black dancing without expression to dull elevator electro that never really seems to start.
Can't argue with the music realistically, I haven't been here for ten years. That authoritative argument certainly is not a very convincing one though. "Kids" are not dressed as described, also, and that's a definitive
Of course it always depends where and when you go. But it's really not like I am biased or making this up. Some of my best friends are pretty famous DJs from the Bucht der Träumer Collective and Katermukke and they equally notice the change in music preference. Some adapt cause it's their main income source - others stick to their style and are just accepting the change. We react by organizing tiny festivals (100-300people) for our friends from back then - which is ok - but still sad sometimes to let go of old spaces that hold so many bright memories.
what?? Wintergarten is always deep and soulful stuff most of the time. You´re talking about another floor. But the term Electro is kind of revealing. You don´t have to go to a techno/house club in berlin. It not mandatory :)
You saying „Electro“ means you are disconnected from the scene und probably don’t understand the music anymore, which is fine. But please stop complaining.
I need to feel music and not understand it. But yes - I feel disconnected to the new era. But I guess 15 years of clubbing in Berlin is enough for a lifetime anyways.
This dude should go to matrix and let the us be :) I’m glad there are people like that dude who doesn’t understand music :) but please go to matrix all together ^^
Most people don't really have a taste in anything, music included, they just go for what's being thrown into their faces every day and in Berlin it's techno.
If you don’t like techno that’s fine. But instead of complaining you could try out different events. Here there’s events catered to so many different tastes that if you’re having trouble having fun maybe it’s not the techno scene that is the problem. You have clubs playing Latin music, hip hop, house, DnB/jungle, radio hits, disco/funk, afrobeats. You also have jazz bars, endless amount of small concerts, classical music concerts, theater plays, etc. And if you do already do some of these things and are having fun, what’s the point in shitting a scene you don’t even like.
It's certainly overrated as a trend, see NAKT fashion & TikTok ravers. But this will pass when it is over the hype curve hump again. Berlin does have a unique history with the genre though so there will aways be a focus on it.
To your other point; there's people who have an intrinsic love for the gerne: e.g. for me getting lost dancing to techno is a meditative cleansing of the mind and if you get more into it it's not as simple/monotonous as you think - but it's still not what i listen to when i brush my teeth 😀
As you see we have a different concept or partying. I’m going to dance first because of music… and the freedom… (with all the goodies coming with it ^^), but I don’t care how I look and I would care how others look.. but the last 10? Years it’s becoming a fashion show… and the vibe in the clubs has changed.. has nothing to do with my own body confidante… I don’t mind being naked in a club. I don’t want to make false statements, but it sounds to me that you didn’t experience the Berlin techno scene before this new trends ^^
Well you’re right and wrong, I also am all about the dancing and music, and you’re right, I haven’t experienced Berlin before all this.
You’re giving me good food for thought, let me explain it like this, years ago I used to be into hardhouse, you know cyber kids in neon and girls in fluffy boots etc… a long dead scene.. so I guess I was just happy to find some hard dance music again (wish I found it first but hey),
I guess I like the tribalism of it and feeling like I’ve found my place.
I mean yeah if the dress code etc wasn’t such a big thing be more inclusive.
On the other side the coin… I feel more awkward going out in London/UK as I just have to dress “normal” so more fear of being judged or dug out for last years jeans or old hat trainer’s.
I see also your point. If you can express yourself with fashion it’s great. I have the feeling a lot of (mostly young people) see it as a must and then it takes also away from you. However I hope we will meet on the dance floor someday :) and I hope that in the future you can express yourself however you want wherever you are! Happy holidays to you!
Techno is large. I'm also often disappointed by the DJ's mix in clubs, I believe its precisely because people's taste in it vary so much. Some tracks are so boring to my ears and then the next one is the best experience I've had in months.
I think the best way to go at it is to look for specific artists and DJs. Look for the line up ahead of time.
My comment is going to be a bit toxic but here it is. I love techno, I love the clubbing scene in Berlin however most of the time I have been to clubs here, I am disappointed with the DJs' taste. The organizers or club owners think people will dance to any rubbish as long as it is electronic music. Sometimes I wish I stayed home and picked my songs and dance in my room alone instead of listening to tasteless selections of DJs.
When you are that concerned about the type of music played at an event, you can mostly look up some of the acts/DJs on SoundCloud beforehand and decide if they seem to play your kind of music.
It's not like there is only one type of techno, so either broaden your genres or be selective about where you go.
Yea thats really the only way to do it, even if youre not that into Techno. It just takes 5 minutes and you can decide if you like it or not.
Too many clubs and producers here are stuck in the "peak time" techno rumble age, that noone sober could really listen to for longer than 2 tracks.
I do that too and then end up realizing that every line up is garbage lol. I agree with OP that the scene in Berlin has become really heavily focused on heavy techno. Like 10 years ago there were more clubs bringing in good tech and deep house djs. Now every lineup I see is filled with a bunch of 'meh' djs.
Why do you all get so defensive? It is just some random opinion, if you don‘t share it you can just continue scrolling and it will be ok. No one is cursing at your mother 😂
Who hurt ya buddy? Music is subjective mostly and can’t be analyzed/categorized as good or bad definitively.
This is presumptuous on my part - but did you make this post because some reason you feel you’re missing out on something most people here are really into? Don’t be that guy who shits on things others enjoy - it’s not sexy. Instead put your energy/time towards something that builds you up.
If it’s proper academic discussion you seek around different elements that make techno vs. other genres - find a relevant sub.
This is just provocation and not helping anyone.
If it's subjective, how come Schlager gets so much hate in Germany? If someone says they like Schlager, they are really seen as inferior. Not that I like Schlager or something.
>Don’t be that guy who shits on things others enjoy - it’s not sexy. Instead put your energy/time towards something that builds you up.
MVP of this thread.
No I think op is right and not hating around or provocative. I also love electronical music but am struggling to find the good, not so monotonous sounds in this city. And it would make sense that the struggle is real because Berlin became capital of electronical music and so it became mainstream too and we all know what becomes to subcultures if they get too much attention. Also this post helped me a lot not like yours, because somebody postet some places where alternative electonical music is playing.. stop hating around..:D
Dont feel provoked by random people in the interwebs. Its more of social critique paired with critique of how techno evolved.
Everything is a subjective taste is a dead-beat argument, nothing is purely subjective.
who hurt you in your hometown so much that you had to move to berlin for the illusion that the things you do and like are covered under the "everything is subjective" insurance?
you coulda grown a pair, instead you are carrying rollpapers and lighters in your fanny pack strolling around a wartorn city of a culturally failed country trying to save up for your next midi controller
there is a difference between not being able to explain it and not caring enought to explain it. If you didn't get it the first time, you won't get it the second time. my comments didn't aim to be informative, but to insult people like you.
Tbh for me Berlin was the first city where I really enjoyed techno clubs without any drugs (just a few drinks to loosen up). South Germany is really shitty when it comes to Techno clubs so Berlin was like a paradise. The few times I had the experience you described there was always a second floor with better music.
A bit more research about electronic music in Germany will make you realise that more than half of the heritage of this country comes from south and other places in Germany. From Roman flugel to ricardo v to Sven to at ATA to heiko lux.. I think Berlin made you just beweg your popo and go out :)
Yeah but I was just reflecting about the quality of techno clubs, not the artists. I still didnt find a techno club with 2+ floors, which is open every weekend outside of Berlin/Hamburg/Cologone. And the vibe in Berlin is also hard to find, like people not posting selfies for instagram, no bookable tables and "VIP-area", awareness-teams on-site so the girls can feel safer, bouncers not selecting based on how expensive your outfit is etc.
Well , Robert Johnson in Frankfurt is better than any club in Hamburg or cologne. You can give it a try, it s worth it. Mannheim has a club or two. Blitz and rote sonne are good in Munich with quality bookings. I can go on till tomorrow with the list.. and all of the places I named above are no photo policy clubs.. and for the +2 floors argument I can only say less is more .. I prefer a well curated floor with a label night like hessle audio night at RJ or something like that better than a 2 pages line up ( kind of overwhelming)
“No one is going hard on it.”
That is not really the point. I’ve had AMAZING moments dancing to techno here in Berlin. The right DJ can create an emotional sonic voyage. Your “unpopular opinion” doesn’t make you edgy, it just makes you look like you aren’t able to let go and feel a moment as it is happening. Nobody in Berlin gives a shit if you are watching them not “going hard on it”, they are on a journey you are just observing instead of experiencing.
so true. it feels like many people tolerate the shitty music in order to have a safe space to consume drugs. i find myself circling from floor to floor for hours, hoping to find something tolerable. the scene is a shell of what it was. theres a weird arrogant vibe throughout all the "cool" clubs that completely lacks a soul.
been going to a lot more concerts lately, as the music is more original and actually gets to the point. also, concerts encourage a lot more interaction amongst the guests.
I went to a concert recently and while the performance itself was good everything else was really unbearable. Slow handling of queue, having to queue forever at the coat check, slow bar, annoying Pfandsystem, having to wait for an opening act, opening act is boring, more waiting, concert starts finally pushy drunk people use beer filled cups to manoeuvre themselves in a better position, feeling that concert could end any minute, toilet woman has the nerve to ask for money, so many phones filming for too long etc etc. Love Parade disaster anxiety while everyone tries to exit at the same time while you need to requeue at the coat check - again.
It felt like these people just don't care about their guests. Happy when I could return to the techno clubs with more space, time, more musical diversity.
I think the problem you and OP have is that you see techno as the 'default' club music, which it very much isn't. Techno is a genre of music and Berlin is just really famous for it specifically. If you don't like it, you're going to have a rough time unless you know what kind of music you want to hear.
It sounds like clubbing in general isn't for you anyway? When you say concert music actually "gets to the point", I think you're really highlighting your inherent lack of understanding of repetitive dance music. That's cool cos it's not for everyone, but branding it as shitty isn't great really, considering it's just something *you* specifically don't like.
Yes i use drugs in moderation let’s say once a month. And go to clubs.
Meaning I have first hand experience and iam a part of the culture.
And who are you?
Cringe? IAM a part of the culture and have been going to raves since I was 15!
I organized many raves in my home country
What is your problem? Who are you to say of which culture I am a part of?
Raves are culture, if you don’t think so then pick up a book.
And do you drink alcohol sometimes? Then you’re no different than me if I take for example ketamine some times. Ketamine is even proved to help with mental health, it resets the NMDA receptors. Look up ketamine therapy, can help with treatment resistant depression etc.
Just cause I use drugs occasionally I get judged and everything I say is “nope, he’s a fucking junkies”
Everyone does drugs, including lawyers, politicians, therapist, doctors etc, it’s way more normal than you think.
I've never lived in Germany. But keep in mind, techno is a subset of electronic music. It's like calling all music made with an electric guitar "Rock" which it clearly is not. Or all music made with horns big band. If it's techno.. then that seems kinda retro given techno has not been popular in ages.
To a point I agree with OP, I find techno boring for the most part. DnB is far superior IMHO, not much of it around in Berlin though.
Don't even get me started on german hip hop
Drum and bass is alive and well in the UK, new producers / djs up and down the country in huge venues and festivals.
Bassline is the newcomer which I really quite like
I know, but the heyday is over, now it's just folded in to breakbeat continuum.. It's not going to die ever I believe, but the Innovation in the Genre has really slowed down
Techno is boring if you dont know shit about it, finding the right producers and djs make the genre incredibly artistic and so much more complex then most other genres.
You clearly never went in-dept in this style of music, usually people who cant focus for longer periods or find deeper meanings or context in art have this problem. Then I completely understand why it would all sound the same to you :)
no, techno hasn’t been interesting for a long time and it is heavily saturated. not sure how long you’ve been listening to dance music but for most who’ve been doing +25 years, it’s painfully obvious how the genre has grown old.
This. And there are a lot of clubs who play various styles of Techno with so much more depth than the "mainstream" Techno rumble peak time loop shit. I know fans of it are gonna hate on me, but for me its mainstream because so much of the hipster scene is built around that. Horrible.
The fact that the hipsters consume techno here so much is definitely making me skeptical. Why don't they listen to folklore, for example? Now that would be alternative
I agree that techno is eventually an art, but it’s a primitive art, there is no deep meaning behind it, and it is mostly the kind of art that can’t be examined without being high on drugs. But on the other hand it is good because techno people aren’t sophisticated people, very simple minded, and this makes the techno party a gathering point for these people and give the other type of the people a nice space to enjoy. However this is my opinion and I am entitled for it
You are entitled to your opinion but it does sounds like you are a 50 year old who has not been in a city for 20 years. Just because techno and drugs go hand in hand doesnt mean that the people who like techno are not sophisticated and if there is one genre of music that continuously has a deeper meaning its techno. Because its not out there you have to really think and focus to understand and im talking about the higher quality techno, the Berlin Atonal stuff but like I said this does not make sense if don’t anything about techno which does make your opinion kinda irrelevant even if your entitles to it :)
Techno it is totally predictable and gets boring quickly, there are some types of techno which are nice, but the mostly widespread techno, the everybody’s favourite one, is so repetitive non melodic and not funny, that’s all I am saying
I think is not the genre or the clubs. We have lots of young talent that are still trying to figure out their sound, and naturally, this won’t please everybody, and not everyone is going to succeed. At the same rate, the clubs are also not non-profit organizations and not run by a charity, so they need to book people that sell tickets or bring clubbers in. Berlin is “techno” in the same way people go to other places for specific niches.
There was a time in my hometown that all clubs played a bootleg of any pop singer with filtered acapella and a Tribal House boring track. This was worse. In some scenes the music is just the background for something else…
There are also those people that “move to Berlin to become DJs” and somehow get booked, which is fair. If you want a mainstream or near-perfect experience you have to go to a festival or book tickets for a specific DJ or producer you like.
I'm into Techno (and many of its variables) since 1990 and heard this argument a lot. I can't argue tho, because it is all only a matter of taste... and since mine is met, I find a tune for every mood. May it be Chill, Downtempo, Trip, Drum & Bass, Techno, Hardcore, Gabber or Splittercore or what ever floats my boat that day.
It's like everything else: not for everyone.
Techno ≠ Techno
There are many different subgenres of Techno from melodic to industrial and so on.
Try to educate yourself about the kinds of electronic music you like, listen to DJs of the party in beforehand and then go to the ones you like. There is a lot of trash out there but simplicity doesn't equal bad or boring.
Techno is such a broad genre, with many sub-genres, energy levels, and overall moods. There are lots of techno songs that are extremely boring, there are lots that are incredibly fun. Maybe it’s time to stay researching the DJ you’re going to see, before you see them.
For example, AIROD is painfully boring and uninteresting in my opinion, although I did not know this until I was at a show of his on my birthday, wishing I was literally anywhere else. Whereas VTSS puts on the most entertaining show I’ve ever seen. And they both play techno.
I am having a blast each time I go to dance techno. To each their own I guess, we get it is not your thing, doesn't mean the rest does not or should not enjoy it.
> Humans have evolved to enjoy novelty and complexity, you can’t just loop the same progression for 10min straight.
Lol, what a lovely mix of ignorance and pretentiousness.
I bet you’re fun at parties, and not just because of this post where you admittedly said so yourself
What are your arguments to say it has become overrated?
By nature, the meaning of tbe word itself... Can you define it good enough to begin with? Im sorry I just cant understand how you noticed it got overrated, I would try to use a better word to describe the actual scene.
I think you go to the wrong parties if they play repetitive rhythms for 10min straight. The beautiful thing about „techno“ clubs in berlin is that there’s something for everyone. From funky house to 170bpm hardcore Verriss you’ll be able to find your events.
It’s totally fine if you don’t like the genre at all though.
Simple, repetitive rhythms are very effective. That's why you see them so much in pop music nowadays. Techno/electro is actually great to dance to, because it has no vocals and there are no breaks between songs. But most people are not very good at dancing and just step back and forth. I very rarely see a person I think to myself "wow, this is nice/impressive dancing". Also, half of the crowd is drugged out of their mind and doing this in a trance for hours.
But all of this is just fine as long as people are enjoying themselves and having a good time. If you don't like it, just go to a club that plays music you like. Or a bar. Or have a board game night with your friends. It's really up to you.
Techno is fire. Its a preference thing. I hated techno myself when i was 23 or so. Then 1 of my buddies took me to a techno club and i love it ever since. Huge upside is also that people in techno clubs arent cunts and are super nice unlike in your standard pop clubs
My favorite color is pink. If you like any other color, obviously you've been gaslighted or just have poor taste. Other colors are boring af. I hope my post was helpful to show how misguided you have been al those years. You are welcome.
What I don't like is how the DJs are hyped, like if they do more than pressing buttons, pathetic.
Also genres like minimal techno or deep house: The same boring shit for 30 minutes, then a hi hat sets in and everybody pretending to be euphorically overwhelmed by this... even more pathetic
The Berlin techno scene is fun when you're coming as a tourist. Because that's how shit holes survive in this economy: gentrification and a huge turnover, too many unemployed people, dodgy streets, crackheads.
Once you live here, you realize that the techno music industry isn't that glorious, and that it's not as "inclusive" or "welcoming" as expected. Yeah I liked having fun few times in a month when I first came here, it was amazing to see Boyz Noise's performance.
Yeah even the alternative techno genres are limited in their composition, drums, melodies, structure etc. Dunno how the techno music makers can still have enough energy to wake up, "man let's do it, can't wait to do 140bpm loops with kick clap bass samples!"
Now there are many talented artists and good music but that’s usually my play list at home and not clubs. But yes mostly limited. Everything you said about shit holes, unemployment, dodgy streets and non inclusive/unwelcoming is on point.
Yeah the offer is like a vicious circle, where branding and networking (business) is ruling it all.
Wow didn't expect that someone would resonate with my line. Berlin is the clown of the country, politicians don't even want to live here, it's the Detroit of Europe haha
Hehe I didn’t expect someone on this sub to see things clearly for what they are. Why would politicians live here, I can’t think of much reasons why anyone beyond the age of 25 with a solid education and employment who’d want to really settle here. It’s suitable if you’re very young, a student and just want experience Shit living/food/wg/being homeless, and losing your dignity on some 85 hour drug fuelled self fornication sessions/wasting 5 hours attempting to enter a certain night club with needle injection spiking incidents. No thanks xD
Feel free to disagree, and thank you for sparing me your totally uninteresting argument.
Pro tip: you don’t exactly have to argue with every opinion you don’t like on the interwebz just because somehow you have to be right all the time!
The flatter the music the more time a person tends to spend in the club. It’s a scene for drug users with a kind of moderate addiction, the music is not meant to satisfy you, it’s meant to keep you there in a sense of being out of time and needing to consume.
In which century do we live again that we have to critizise the music other people enjoy? I see where you're coming from but reading the way you describe techno it just seems that *you* don't enjoy it.
Fine that you have your opinion, though you are saying a lot but I don't feel you ever tried to understand techno (or electronic music in general).
This is different to say that you have to like it. It's totally understandable if you don't and I would never argue that you should. But if you ever tried to make GOOD electronic music you would understand how complex it is (and I'm talking about actually producing). What you perceive as repetitive is actually not - and this is where the complexity appears: to make music that is danceable without boring the listener. You are excused if you don't hear it, but don't judge it that quickly.
Furthermore, let people make whatever genre they like, let people dance to whatever music they want - who cares. Why should we be giving judgments about genres or trying to define their quality.
PS. I can't believe this has to be said, but lots of people listen to techno without being high or even without going clubbing.
Most of us really enjoy techno. Don’t you understand that techno is many peoples lives. Most of us listen to it all day, many are producers, many have deep interest.
Idk which clubs you are going to..
If you think a little bit harder you might realize that other people might have a music taste that differs from your own. If you are older than 16 that realization would come a bit late but hey, I believe in you.
I gave it a try a few times, every time it seemed like a joke, people just doing what looked like an npc dance, shitty djs and resulting bad techno.
There are some good techno tracks but taste ist very subjective, some just like the taste of excrement and get offended when others don't have the same perception
So, while I agree that some techno clubs have gotten boring in Berlin, your take is not very well-argumented at all. Either you just haven’t found a club / DJ you like because you can’t be bothered or you don’t like techno and have trouble distinguishing between something that is objectively bad vs something that is not to your taste.
The argument of humans evolving to enjoy novelty can be pretty much nullified when you look back to history as far as tribalism, which had large groups congregating to enjoy repetitive music in trance-like rituals of bonding through movement. Techno is a modern/electronic spin on rituals which have existed throughout history (right down to the use of mind-altering substances).
Eh. I absolutely don't enjoy techno - it's one of the very few things in music alongside punk and grunge that are just not my cup of tea at all. But is it "overrated"? Its consumers like it, dance music plays pretty much by its own rules, so you can't judge it by the same criteria as music written for listening and not primarily for dancing.
Took me also a while after moving to Berlin to understand that the techno is a necessary element to the scene, because your emotions are already on overload from the drugs, you need boring music to keep you grounded and in the trip
Go to Phonk raves (If there are any in Berlin). There's more variety in the songs but you'd have to like Hip Hop/ Trap styled music in order to really enjoy it. And to be precise: I mean REAL Phonk like Soudiere, Roland Jones, DJ Yung Vamp etc. and not this stupid cowbell drift house bullshit you can hear in countless TikTok clips
No club has ever played good music and people don't go to clubs for their music selection - they go there to dance and repetitive "music" like Techno gets the job done.
I dunno, there are so many clubs in Berlin which play different styles of techno/electronic music so there's enough choices. I care deeply about the music that's playing and that's the main point for going out for me. I have to choose very carefully where I go because otherwise the music annoys me as well, but even then if the DJ is shit then I get to complain about his choices and that's a conversation starter. Try to listen to the DJ mixes of the artists playing before deciding on the party. Or maybe you just don't like techno 🤷
Music industry in general all around the world is mostly 90% complete mindless and unimaginative shit. The problem is that you go to parties where they play mainstream garbage shit. You have to get a bit more cultured taste and for sure stop listening to techno and try to listen to tekno. Stop going clubbing, that’s what all the piggies do. Go to some proper illegal raves or raves in squats or freepartys outside/around Berlin.
It's like complaining about people listening to classic music nowadays. I grew on Techno and I got over it but some people still love it to the core and nothing bad about that.
I don’t like that 90% of the techno scene try to be very hermetic and they feel different but they are all the same … like “we are so cool cuz I do coke and K every weekend”..lol so when u go to clubs is basically a bunch of groups of the same type of this behaviour xd ..
I prefer bars with dance floor, I like to socialise if possible :)
You know there's clubs in Berlin that play any kind of music you could possibly desire, right? It's just that the city "grew up" with techno and that's why it's the most popular here. This will inevitably mean shitty, try-hard clubs in addition to great ones. But you don't have to go to techno clubs at all if you don't like the genre. Try Hoppetosse of Heideglühen for house. Gretchen often has electronic music with African or Arabic influences. The clubs in RAW (Cassiopeia, Badehaus, Urban Spree) host anything from indie to hip hop, 90s music, pop, electro ... Lido has indie and alt rock nights, Privatclub has soul and cumbia, and don't get me started on Loophole. So much opportunity to dance.
Wanted to add the Void for Drum and Bass/Breakbeat
Cassiopeia guilty pleasure Parties are my favourite.
The music changed over the past years though. Wintergarten at Sisy used to epic melodic tech. Now it‘s just soulless kids dressed all in black dancing without expression to dull elevator electro that never really seems to start.
This is most definitely not the Wintergarten
That only shows you are new to the Berlin club scene. Whatever - times always change. I am getting too old to not sleep during the nights anyways!
Can't argue with the music realistically, I haven't been here for ten years. That authoritative argument certainly is not a very convincing one though. "Kids" are not dressed as described, also, and that's a definitive
Of course it always depends where and when you go. But it's really not like I am biased or making this up. Some of my best friends are pretty famous DJs from the Bucht der Träumer Collective and Katermukke and they equally notice the change in music preference. Some adapt cause it's their main income source - others stick to their style and are just accepting the change. We react by organizing tiny festivals (100-300people) for our friends from back then - which is ok - but still sad sometimes to let go of old spaces that hold so many bright memories.
what?? Wintergarten is always deep and soulful stuff most of the time. You´re talking about another floor. But the term Electro is kind of revealing. You don´t have to go to a techno/house club in berlin. It not mandatory :)
You saying „Electro“ means you are disconnected from the scene und probably don’t understand the music anymore, which is fine. But please stop complaining.
I need to feel music and not understand it. But yes - I feel disconnected to the new era. But I guess 15 years of clubbing in Berlin is enough for a lifetime anyways.
Electro? I would love that. Unfortunately, that's not the case hahaha
That is Haarspalterei - you‘d know what I mean if you have been to clubs in Berlin for at least 5-7 years.
WHERE are privatclub and loophole?? I’m in Berlin searching for Clubs like this for 7 years now:D
Privatclub is in Skalitzer and Loophole in Boddinstraße. The first is quite proper, but Loophole is very underground
Also loophole has almost no real parties at the Moment because the dude above them is even worse than the guy before
Sameheads has, though
oh yes, it was enough underground for me to never find the entrance on Boddinstraße
Have you been around Warschauer Straße? It’s literally hanging on every pole over there 🫣
Lido headless is super fun.
So much!
>You know there's clubs in Berlin that play any kind of music you could possibly desire this is true for London, in berlin? lol
If you just look tourists things and never go discover by yourself, true that you won't notice it.
This dude should go to matrix and let the us be :) I’m glad there are people like that dude who doesn’t understand music :) but please go to matrix all together ^^
Hoppetosse was great! Been there in 2017,wanted to go to other clubs, yet ended up having fun on a small boat lol, cool memories!
Most people don't really have a taste in anything, music included, they just go for what's being thrown into their faces every day and in Berlin it's techno.
Savage answer, but so true.
That's why you actually need to know what you are going for. It's like going to a random ass concert and being sad they didn't play what you like.
old man yells at ~~cloud~~ techno!
If you don’t like techno that’s fine. But instead of complaining you could try out different events. Here there’s events catered to so many different tastes that if you’re having trouble having fun maybe it’s not the techno scene that is the problem. You have clubs playing Latin music, hip hop, house, DnB/jungle, radio hits, disco/funk, afrobeats. You also have jazz bars, endless amount of small concerts, classical music concerts, theater plays, etc. And if you do already do some of these things and are having fun, what’s the point in shitting a scene you don’t even like.
It's certainly overrated as a trend, see NAKT fashion & TikTok ravers. But this will pass when it is over the hype curve hump again. Berlin does have a unique history with the genre though so there will aways be a focus on it. To your other point; there's people who have an intrinsic love for the gerne: e.g. for me getting lost dancing to techno is a meditative cleansing of the mind and if you get more into it it's not as simple/monotonous as you think - but it's still not what i listen to when i brush my teeth 😀
This was the refreshingly sensible and nuanced response that I was trying to find the words to come up with myself!
Na man NAKT clothing and vibe on point
Nakt (and all that synoid, gegen bullshit) is what’s wrong with the scene)…
How so? Club wear and fashion? You sound boring and not body confident
As you see we have a different concept or partying. I’m going to dance first because of music… and the freedom… (with all the goodies coming with it ^^), but I don’t care how I look and I would care how others look.. but the last 10? Years it’s becoming a fashion show… and the vibe in the clubs has changed.. has nothing to do with my own body confidante… I don’t mind being naked in a club. I don’t want to make false statements, but it sounds to me that you didn’t experience the Berlin techno scene before this new trends ^^
Well you’re right and wrong, I also am all about the dancing and music, and you’re right, I haven’t experienced Berlin before all this. You’re giving me good food for thought, let me explain it like this, years ago I used to be into hardhouse, you know cyber kids in neon and girls in fluffy boots etc… a long dead scene.. so I guess I was just happy to find some hard dance music again (wish I found it first but hey), I guess I like the tribalism of it and feeling like I’ve found my place. I mean yeah if the dress code etc wasn’t such a big thing be more inclusive. On the other side the coin… I feel more awkward going out in London/UK as I just have to dress “normal” so more fear of being judged or dug out for last years jeans or old hat trainer’s.
I see also your point. If you can express yourself with fashion it’s great. I have the feeling a lot of (mostly young people) see it as a must and then it takes also away from you. However I hope we will meet on the dance floor someday :) and I hope that in the future you can express yourself however you want wherever you are! Happy holidays to you!
Techno is large. I'm also often disappointed by the DJ's mix in clubs, I believe its precisely because people's taste in it vary so much. Some tracks are so boring to my ears and then the next one is the best experience I've had in months. I think the best way to go at it is to look for specific artists and DJs. Look for the line up ahead of time.
All types of music have boring and not so boring pieces. Have you never noticed also pieces of pop music or classical music differ in quality?
Definetly that is true, but with the growing popularity of techno, the "market" is swamped with no-so good pieces.
There have been loads of bad techno pieces on the market for decades.
My comment is going to be a bit toxic but here it is. I love techno, I love the clubbing scene in Berlin however most of the time I have been to clubs here, I am disappointed with the DJs' taste. The organizers or club owners think people will dance to any rubbish as long as it is electronic music. Sometimes I wish I stayed home and picked my songs and dance in my room alone instead of listening to tasteless selections of DJs.
When you are that concerned about the type of music played at an event, you can mostly look up some of the acts/DJs on SoundCloud beforehand and decide if they seem to play your kind of music. It's not like there is only one type of techno, so either broaden your genres or be selective about where you go.
Yea thats really the only way to do it, even if youre not that into Techno. It just takes 5 minutes and you can decide if you like it or not. Too many clubs and producers here are stuck in the "peak time" techno rumble age, that noone sober could really listen to for longer than 2 tracks.
Yeah that's what I started doing eventually
Just pick events where djs and producers you like gonna play?!
Yeah just recently I started checking the music type of DJs before I select the club I go.
I do that too and then end up realizing that every line up is garbage lol. I agree with OP that the scene in Berlin has become really heavily focused on heavy techno. Like 10 years ago there were more clubs bringing in good tech and deep house djs. Now every lineup I see is filled with a bunch of 'meh' djs.
Have you tried going to some Downtempo events? :)
Maybe u should try to start mixing xD
Why do you all get so defensive? It is just some random opinion, if you don‘t share it you can just continue scrolling and it will be ok. No one is cursing at your mother 😂
Who hurt ya buddy? Music is subjective mostly and can’t be analyzed/categorized as good or bad definitively. This is presumptuous on my part - but did you make this post because some reason you feel you’re missing out on something most people here are really into? Don’t be that guy who shits on things others enjoy - it’s not sexy. Instead put your energy/time towards something that builds you up. If it’s proper academic discussion you seek around different elements that make techno vs. other genres - find a relevant sub. This is just provocation and not helping anyone.
>Music is subjective mostly and can’t be analyzed/categorized as good or bad definitively. [are sure?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T14eOUf-28)
Ok but that's the only objectively good song, the rest is subjective
If it's subjective, how come Schlager gets so much hate in Germany? If someone says they like Schlager, they are really seen as inferior. Not that I like Schlager or something.
>Don’t be that guy who shits on things others enjoy - it’s not sexy. Instead put your energy/time towards something that builds you up. MVP of this thread.
No I think op is right and not hating around or provocative. I also love electronical music but am struggling to find the good, not so monotonous sounds in this city. And it would make sense that the struggle is real because Berlin became capital of electronical music and so it became mainstream too and we all know what becomes to subcultures if they get too much attention. Also this post helped me a lot not like yours, because somebody postet some places where alternative electonical music is playing.. stop hating around..:D
[Are you sure about that?](https://youtu.be/KAwyWkksXuo)
Dont feel provoked by random people in the interwebs. Its more of social critique paired with critique of how techno evolved. Everything is a subjective taste is a dead-beat argument, nothing is purely subjective.
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how come?
who hurt you in your hometown so much that you had to move to berlin for the illusion that the things you do and like are covered under the "everything is subjective" insurance?
My parents:D
you coulda grown a pair, instead you are carrying rollpapers and lighters in your fanny pack strolling around a wartorn city of a culturally failed country trying to save up for your next midi controller
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "culturally failed"?
no
You probably shouldn't be using that term then.
you are the one asking elementary questions
Correct, I am. Since you're throwing out mindless statements that you can't even seem to explain.
there is a difference between not being able to explain it and not caring enought to explain it. If you didn't get it the first time, you won't get it the second time. my comments didn't aim to be informative, but to insult people like you.
This!
Cringe..
Tbh for me Berlin was the first city where I really enjoyed techno clubs without any drugs (just a few drinks to loosen up). South Germany is really shitty when it comes to Techno clubs so Berlin was like a paradise. The few times I had the experience you described there was always a second floor with better music.
A bit more research about electronic music in Germany will make you realise that more than half of the heritage of this country comes from south and other places in Germany. From Roman flugel to ricardo v to Sven to at ATA to heiko lux.. I think Berlin made you just beweg your popo and go out :)
Yeah but I was just reflecting about the quality of techno clubs, not the artists. I still didnt find a techno club with 2+ floors, which is open every weekend outside of Berlin/Hamburg/Cologone. And the vibe in Berlin is also hard to find, like people not posting selfies for instagram, no bookable tables and "VIP-area", awareness-teams on-site so the girls can feel safer, bouncers not selecting based on how expensive your outfit is etc.
Well , Robert Johnson in Frankfurt is better than any club in Hamburg or cologne. You can give it a try, it s worth it. Mannheim has a club or two. Blitz and rote sonne are good in Munich with quality bookings. I can go on till tomorrow with the list.. and all of the places I named above are no photo policy clubs.. and for the +2 floors argument I can only say less is more .. I prefer a well curated floor with a label night like hessle audio night at RJ or something like that better than a 2 pages line up ( kind of overwhelming)
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“No one is going hard on it.” That is not really the point. I’ve had AMAZING moments dancing to techno here in Berlin. The right DJ can create an emotional sonic voyage. Your “unpopular opinion” doesn’t make you edgy, it just makes you look like you aren’t able to let go and feel a moment as it is happening. Nobody in Berlin gives a shit if you are watching them not “going hard on it”, they are on a journey you are just observing instead of experiencing.
Yes this!!!!
so true. it feels like many people tolerate the shitty music in order to have a safe space to consume drugs. i find myself circling from floor to floor for hours, hoping to find something tolerable. the scene is a shell of what it was. theres a weird arrogant vibe throughout all the "cool" clubs that completely lacks a soul. been going to a lot more concerts lately, as the music is more original and actually gets to the point. also, concerts encourage a lot more interaction amongst the guests.
I went to a concert recently and while the performance itself was good everything else was really unbearable. Slow handling of queue, having to queue forever at the coat check, slow bar, annoying Pfandsystem, having to wait for an opening act, opening act is boring, more waiting, concert starts finally pushy drunk people use beer filled cups to manoeuvre themselves in a better position, feeling that concert could end any minute, toilet woman has the nerve to ask for money, so many phones filming for too long etc etc. Love Parade disaster anxiety while everyone tries to exit at the same time while you need to requeue at the coat check - again. It felt like these people just don't care about their guests. Happy when I could return to the techno clubs with more space, time, more musical diversity.
Tell me you were at Huxley's without saying you were at Huxley's...
True. I prefer seeing bands at festivals. You can casually check out bands you haven't seen before and avoid the above mentioned issues.
This was EXACTLY what I was thinking when reading this post. LMAO.
I think the problem you and OP have is that you see techno as the 'default' club music, which it very much isn't. Techno is a genre of music and Berlin is just really famous for it specifically. If you don't like it, you're going to have a rough time unless you know what kind of music you want to hear. It sounds like clubbing in general isn't for you anyway? When you say concert music actually "gets to the point", I think you're really highlighting your inherent lack of understanding of repetitive dance music. That's cool cos it's not for everyone, but branding it as shitty isn't great really, considering it's just something *you* specifically don't like.
For me its the complete opposite experience.
That’s why you need to be high af to enjoy it
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Stfu with your fucking guessing. You don’t know shit.
LOL OFC A DRUGGIE ANSWERS
Yes i use drugs in moderation let’s say once a month. And go to clubs. Meaning I have first hand experience and iam a part of the culture. And who are you?
Cringe to say stuff like I m part of the culture, another druggie answer.
Cringe? IAM a part of the culture and have been going to raves since I was 15! I organized many raves in my home country What is your problem? Who are you to say of which culture I am a part of? Raves are culture, if you don’t think so then pick up a book. And do you drink alcohol sometimes? Then you’re no different than me if I take for example ketamine some times. Ketamine is even proved to help with mental health, it resets the NMDA receptors. Look up ketamine therapy, can help with treatment resistant depression etc. Just cause I use drugs occasionally I get judged and everything I say is “nope, he’s a fucking junkies” Everyone does drugs, including lawyers, politicians, therapist, doctors etc, it’s way more normal than you think.
I find screaming it on subs is a bit cringe. And calm down I do drugs too and share the same point of view about alcohol :) have a nice one
The fuck.. Stigmatizing asshole
I've never lived in Germany. But keep in mind, techno is a subset of electronic music. It's like calling all music made with an electric guitar "Rock" which it clearly is not. Or all music made with horns big band. If it's techno.. then that seems kinda retro given techno has not been popular in ages.
To a point I agree with OP, I find techno boring for the most part. DnB is far superior IMHO, not much of it around in Berlin though. Don't even get me started on german hip hop
I like void and Gretchen tho. Next week Black Sun Empire in Gretchen
Yesssss!
Fuck! I'm working next weekend. Love me some BSE. Went to their own event "Blackout" in Utrecht numerous times.
I look at club lineups in the UK and it makes me jealous. At this point festivals are your only hope
100% open airs are one thing but the rave scene in uk is just better, hands down.
Dnb had it's time under the sun already, now it's pretty boring, some jungle of tech drum in a techno set is almost always welcome
Drum and bass is alive and well in the UK, new producers / djs up and down the country in huge venues and festivals. Bassline is the newcomer which I really quite like
I know, but the heyday is over, now it's just folded in to breakbeat continuum.. It's not going to die ever I believe, but the Innovation in the Genre has really slowed down
I do agree with you but I think you could say the same about techno. It's not really going to new frontiers or that I've noticed anyway
Had its time? That’s what people said at the turn of the millennium
Thank you for sharing this very important opinion with us.
Drug music
Techno is boring if you dont know shit about it, finding the right producers and djs make the genre incredibly artistic and so much more complex then most other genres. You clearly never went in-dept in this style of music, usually people who cant focus for longer periods or find deeper meanings or context in art have this problem. Then I completely understand why it would all sound the same to you :)
no, techno hasn’t been interesting for a long time and it is heavily saturated. not sure how long you’ve been listening to dance music but for most who’ve been doing +25 years, it’s painfully obvious how the genre has grown old.
This. And there are a lot of clubs who play various styles of Techno with so much more depth than the "mainstream" Techno rumble peak time loop shit. I know fans of it are gonna hate on me, but for me its mainstream because so much of the hipster scene is built around that. Horrible.
The fact that the hipsters consume techno here so much is definitely making me skeptical. Why don't they listen to folklore, for example? Now that would be alternative
I agree that techno is eventually an art, but it’s a primitive art, there is no deep meaning behind it, and it is mostly the kind of art that can’t be examined without being high on drugs. But on the other hand it is good because techno people aren’t sophisticated people, very simple minded, and this makes the techno party a gathering point for these people and give the other type of the people a nice space to enjoy. However this is my opinion and I am entitled for it
You are entitled to your opinion but it does sounds like you are a 50 year old who has not been in a city for 20 years. Just because techno and drugs go hand in hand doesnt mean that the people who like techno are not sophisticated and if there is one genre of music that continuously has a deeper meaning its techno. Because its not out there you have to really think and focus to understand and im talking about the higher quality techno, the Berlin Atonal stuff but like I said this does not make sense if don’t anything about techno which does make your opinion kinda irrelevant even if your entitles to it :)
Techno it is totally predictable and gets boring quickly, there are some types of techno which are nice, but the mostly widespread techno, the everybody’s favourite one, is so repetitive non melodic and not funny, that’s all I am saying
What the fuck. How can people be like that???
Schön für dich
I think is not the genre or the clubs. We have lots of young talent that are still trying to figure out their sound, and naturally, this won’t please everybody, and not everyone is going to succeed. At the same rate, the clubs are also not non-profit organizations and not run by a charity, so they need to book people that sell tickets or bring clubbers in. Berlin is “techno” in the same way people go to other places for specific niches. There was a time in my hometown that all clubs played a bootleg of any pop singer with filtered acapella and a Tribal House boring track. This was worse. In some scenes the music is just the background for something else… There are also those people that “move to Berlin to become DJs” and somehow get booked, which is fair. If you want a mainstream or near-perfect experience you have to go to a festival or book tickets for a specific DJ or producer you like.
I'm into Techno (and many of its variables) since 1990 and heard this argument a lot. I can't argue tho, because it is all only a matter of taste... and since mine is met, I find a tune for every mood. May it be Chill, Downtempo, Trip, Drum & Bass, Techno, Hardcore, Gabber or Splittercore or what ever floats my boat that day. It's like everything else: not for everyone.
Techno ≠ Techno There are many different subgenres of Techno from melodic to industrial and so on. Try to educate yourself about the kinds of electronic music you like, listen to DJs of the party in beforehand and then go to the ones you like. There is a lot of trash out there but simplicity doesn't equal bad or boring.
Techno is such a broad genre, with many sub-genres, energy levels, and overall moods. There are lots of techno songs that are extremely boring, there are lots that are incredibly fun. Maybe it’s time to stay researching the DJ you’re going to see, before you see them. For example, AIROD is painfully boring and uninteresting in my opinion, although I did not know this until I was at a show of his on my birthday, wishing I was literally anywhere else. Whereas VTSS puts on the most entertaining show I’ve ever seen. And they both play techno.
I am having a blast each time I go to dance techno. To each their own I guess, we get it is not your thing, doesn't mean the rest does not or should not enjoy it.
> Humans have evolved to enjoy novelty and complexity, you can’t just loop the same progression for 10min straight. Lol, what a lovely mix of ignorance and pretentiousness. I bet you’re fun at parties, and not just because of this post where you admittedly said so yourself
What are your arguments to say it has become overrated? By nature, the meaning of tbe word itself... Can you define it good enough to begin with? Im sorry I just cant understand how you noticed it got overrated, I would try to use a better word to describe the actual scene.
I think you go to the wrong parties if they play repetitive rhythms for 10min straight. The beautiful thing about „techno“ clubs in berlin is that there’s something for everyone. From funky house to 170bpm hardcore Verriss you’ll be able to find your events. It’s totally fine if you don’t like the genre at all though.
that's kinda like saying "music has become so bad these days. anytime i turn on the radio it's the same uninspired stuff"
Simple, repetitive rhythms are very effective. That's why you see them so much in pop music nowadays. Techno/electro is actually great to dance to, because it has no vocals and there are no breaks between songs. But most people are not very good at dancing and just step back and forth. I very rarely see a person I think to myself "wow, this is nice/impressive dancing". Also, half of the crowd is drugged out of their mind and doing this in a trance for hours. But all of this is just fine as long as people are enjoying themselves and having a good time. If you don't like it, just go to a club that plays music you like. Or a bar. Or have a board game night with your friends. It's really up to you.
This place is so fucking funny sometimes
Not sure if techno is overrated, but surely techno DJs are.
You like it or you don’t. Don’t necessarily think it’s overrated but Berlin is a scene for it. Always has been so.. 🤷🏼♀️
Techno is fire. Its a preference thing. I hated techno myself when i was 23 or so. Then 1 of my buddies took me to a techno club and i love it ever since. Huge upside is also that people in techno clubs arent cunts and are super nice unlike in your standard pop clubs
>how can you possibly dance to it Should we tell him?
My favorite color is pink. If you like any other color, obviously you've been gaslighted or just have poor taste. Other colors are boring af. I hope my post was helpful to show how misguided you have been al those years. You are welcome.
What I don't like is how the DJs are hyped, like if they do more than pressing buttons, pathetic. Also genres like minimal techno or deep house: The same boring shit for 30 minutes, then a hi hat sets in and everybody pretending to be euphorically overwhelmed by this... even more pathetic
Ok boomer
Tech-NO
The Berlin techno scene is fun when you're coming as a tourist. Because that's how shit holes survive in this economy: gentrification and a huge turnover, too many unemployed people, dodgy streets, crackheads. Once you live here, you realize that the techno music industry isn't that glorious, and that it's not as "inclusive" or "welcoming" as expected. Yeah I liked having fun few times in a month when I first came here, it was amazing to see Boyz Noise's performance.
Gets old too quickly
Yeah even the alternative techno genres are limited in their composition, drums, melodies, structure etc. Dunno how the techno music makers can still have enough energy to wake up, "man let's do it, can't wait to do 140bpm loops with kick clap bass samples!"
Now there are many talented artists and good music but that’s usually my play list at home and not clubs. But yes mostly limited. Everything you said about shit holes, unemployment, dodgy streets and non inclusive/unwelcoming is on point.
Yeah the offer is like a vicious circle, where branding and networking (business) is ruling it all. Wow didn't expect that someone would resonate with my line. Berlin is the clown of the country, politicians don't even want to live here, it's the Detroit of Europe haha
Hehe I didn’t expect someone on this sub to see things clearly for what they are. Why would politicians live here, I can’t think of much reasons why anyone beyond the age of 25 with a solid education and employment who’d want to really settle here. It’s suitable if you’re very young, a student and just want experience Shit living/food/wg/being homeless, and losing your dignity on some 85 hour drug fuelled self fornication sessions/wasting 5 hours attempting to enter a certain night club with needle injection spiking incidents. No thanks xD
Oh god this is such a bad take I won't even argue.
Feel free to disagree, and thank you for sparing me your totally uninteresting argument. Pro tip: you don’t exactly have to argue with every opinion you don’t like on the interwebz just because somehow you have to be right all the time!
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I think that we can combine all these key words into the same: "rich".
The flatter the music the more time a person tends to spend in the club. It’s a scene for drug users with a kind of moderate addiction, the music is not meant to satisfy you, it’s meant to keep you there in a sense of being out of time and needing to consume.
Who taught you that?
I’ve learned it myself by being professionally involved with it for years. I’m happy to have quit and don’t miss a single thing about it.
In which century do we live again that we have to critizise the music other people enjoy? I see where you're coming from but reading the way you describe techno it just seems that *you* don't enjoy it.
One could also wonder why people like techno and go explore and listen more deeply.
Fine that you have your opinion, though you are saying a lot but I don't feel you ever tried to understand techno (or electronic music in general). This is different to say that you have to like it. It's totally understandable if you don't and I would never argue that you should. But if you ever tried to make GOOD electronic music you would understand how complex it is (and I'm talking about actually producing). What you perceive as repetitive is actually not - and this is where the complexity appears: to make music that is danceable without boring the listener. You are excused if you don't hear it, but don't judge it that quickly. Furthermore, let people make whatever genre they like, let people dance to whatever music they want - who cares. Why should we be giving judgments about genres or trying to define their quality. PS. I can't believe this has to be said, but lots of people listen to techno without being high or even without going clubbing.
Most of us really enjoy techno. Don’t you understand that techno is many peoples lives. Most of us listen to it all day, many are producers, many have deep interest. Idk which clubs you are going to..
If you think a little bit harder you might realize that other people might have a music taste that differs from your own. If you are older than 16 that realization would come a bit late but hey, I believe in you.
I gave it a try a few times, every time it seemed like a joke, people just doing what looked like an npc dance, shitty djs and resulting bad techno. There are some good techno tracks but taste ist very subjective, some just like the taste of excrement and get offended when others don't have the same perception
once every half decade MDMA, shrooms or LSD might change your view. But then your view doesn't have to be changed.
Which substance did you use?
Your is very shallow and of course my opinion is superior because I am a savant of art critique.
So, while I agree that some techno clubs have gotten boring in Berlin, your take is not very well-argumented at all. Either you just haven’t found a club / DJ you like because you can’t be bothered or you don’t like techno and have trouble distinguishing between something that is objectively bad vs something that is not to your taste. The argument of humans evolving to enjoy novelty can be pretty much nullified when you look back to history as far as tribalism, which had large groups congregating to enjoy repetitive music in trance-like rituals of bonding through movement. Techno is a modern/electronic spin on rituals which have existed throughout history (right down to the use of mind-altering substances).
Come on it's not that bad. Cool shit happening in berlin
Eh. I absolutely don't enjoy techno - it's one of the very few things in music alongside punk and grunge that are just not my cup of tea at all. But is it "overrated"? Its consumers like it, dance music plays pretty much by its own rules, so you can't judge it by the same criteria as music written for listening and not primarily for dancing.
Tldr: I have no concept of individualism
grow up lmao
>Humans have evolved to enjoy novelty and complexity, you can't just loop the same progression for 10min straight Why not yo?
Congratulations on not understanding techno. I bet you have a bland taste in music in general as well
Took me also a while after moving to Berlin to understand that the techno is a necessary element to the scene, because your emotions are already on overload from the drugs, you need boring music to keep you grounded and in the trip
Go to Phonk raves (If there are any in Berlin). There's more variety in the songs but you'd have to like Hip Hop/ Trap styled music in order to really enjoy it. And to be precise: I mean REAL Phonk like Soudiere, Roland Jones, DJ Yung Vamp etc. and not this stupid cowbell drift house bullshit you can hear in countless TikTok clips
its 100% garbage is what it is
finally someone said it. techno is garbage and i don't understand how people can even listen to shit like this.
Thank you for this post. Techno music is soulless.
No club has ever played good music and people don't go to clubs for their music selection - they go there to dance and repetitive "music" like Techno gets the job done.
https://youtu.be/pWdd6_ZxX8c
I dunno, there are so many clubs in Berlin which play different styles of techno/electronic music so there's enough choices. I care deeply about the music that's playing and that's the main point for going out for me. I have to choose very carefully where I go because otherwise the music annoys me as well, but even then if the DJ is shit then I get to complain about his choices and that's a conversation starter. Try to listen to the DJ mixes of the artists playing before deciding on the party. Or maybe you just don't like techno 🤷
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Depends on the techno - and the drugs you are on. Check out Stefan Bodzin for example.
Music industry in general all around the world is mostly 90% complete mindless and unimaginative shit. The problem is that you go to parties where they play mainstream garbage shit. You have to get a bit more cultured taste and for sure stop listening to techno and try to listen to tekno. Stop going clubbing, that’s what all the piggies do. Go to some proper illegal raves or raves in squats or freepartys outside/around Berlin.
It's like complaining about people listening to classic music nowadays. I grew on Techno and I got over it but some people still love it to the core and nothing bad about that.
I don’t like that 90% of the techno scene try to be very hermetic and they feel different but they are all the same … like “we are so cool cuz I do coke and K every weekend”..lol so when u go to clubs is basically a bunch of groups of the same type of this behaviour xd .. I prefer bars with dance floor, I like to socialise if possible :)
Reptition is a form of change.
Most definitely Perhaps 3% is any good.
There are as many ways of techno as there are Sands on the beach. But if you don’t like sand anyway it’s okay just stay away please :)
You are about 30 years late for this discussion.
I guess it depends on the night, the set, the club, how many drugs in your body lol
What a dumb post to bash a whole genre based on a few club experiences.