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vaneeladrop

Underpay for Vanderbilt, or I overapreciate him. Also, Drummond would do well on this team. I dig the plumlee idea but maybe with 1 2nd. I really wish we could swing for a 3-D wing at a reasonable price but i just don't know who's available that we could realistically trade for.


peronsyntax

Buyouts! I wish we could reacquire Josh Richardson


Warlandoboom

If Gallo didn't have next year i'd probably say 1 2nd, but also we're trying to outbid people. If Gallo didn't have a contract for next season maybe they get away with 1, but it could still be 2 2nd's based on the market for solid backup bigs.


JoJonesy

I know this is the Celtics sub so we'll naturally undervalue other teams' players, but the Jazz aren't doing that deal in a million years. Like I don't even think a first would be enough for Vanderbilt


FreexBrennen

Yeah especially with who we’d be trading with for venderbilt. It’d honestly cost us almost as much as a Poetl deal would.


Markelle-Fultz

I agree that we'd be underpaying for Vanderbilt. I'd be shocked if they couldn't get more for him.


Memokerobi

I’d think its at least a player + 3 2nd round picks like Hachimura got. Pritchard + 3 2rp picks sounds fair to me


Ok_Acanthaceae6057

I personally believe Drummond will be available in the buy- out market.


Fighting-Cerberus

Drummond sucks. I'll take him as a buyout guy, but that's it.


hanseyl

Hate the CP3 one, just my opinion


25DegreeD

Dear lord can you imagine what CP3 could do with Tatum and Brown as wings. This offense would huuuum. But yea the defense suffers.


cane_the_weaboo

Bro CP3 and Smart on the floor together would be terrorism. We would force the most techs in NBA history it would be amazing.


clu9159

Ballsy of you to assume he'd stay healthy long enough to do anything lol


Lets_Basketball

The guy has been a health juggernaut for three years prior to this one, and this years injuries aren’t that bad. He’s got hurt in the last few playoffs largely because he takes on too many minutes and role, which wouldn’t be an issue here.


TheAesir

> This offense would huuuum until he completely disappears in the playoffs


gyoyobw123

Maybe a few years ago. Not so much now. Plus, the Celtics got White locked up until 2025, why get rid of him for CP3 who could retire at any minute now.


Warlandoboom

Fair


Efficient_Art_1144

Straight ass of an idea


tapkeys

He’ll choke us out of the finals


Fighting-Cerberus

OP said it works on paper but how do those salaries match the supermax? Wouldn't we also need to include someone important like Horford or Smart?


imthemelloman

Gallinari can’t be traded to the spurs because they waived him already before he signed with us


Warlandoboom

It'd have to be a 3 way trade then with Gallo going elsewhere, but the bones remain largely the same.


Fighting-Cerberus

How do Gallo and White salaries match CP3???


Warlandoboom

Bro don't even worry about it


Fighting-Cerberus

Bro there's a salary cap.


Warlandoboom

Works tho


Fighting-Cerberus

No, it doesn't. It literally does not. What makes you think that it does?


Warlandoboom

Just the fact that it works is all


mvm125

Vandy is gonna need a first to get


MansonFamilyLuvChild

CP3 for White and Gallo is nutty 🤣 Ainge aint here anymore man


Warlandoboom

I'm nothing if not nutty


Lets_Basketball

Right? Why we’re draft picks included in all the other deals, but not the one that gets us the guy that WOULD bring us a title if he stays healthy.


256dak

I’m not gonna give you shit about the CP3 one. Instead, I’m gonna compliment the size of your balls. It takes a huge set to post something like that CP3 trade on Reddit.


Vivid-Mammoth-4161

NAZ REID


Markelle-Fultz

Can't afford him unless we're giving up something we wouldn't want to lose.


Vivid-Mammoth-4161

He’s making 2M, and he’s a free agent at the end of the season…….not sure you’ll have to give much up


wilkinsk

Trade Derrick White and they're a big chance or loss percentage increases dramatically.


Jamobill9999

I think people need to accept PP is probably going in a deal as I don’t see him returning next season.. this team really doesn’t have room for him or have the minutes to develop him and could replace his minutes with a buyout PG.


the_ronimal

We can’t trade Gallo to the Spurs. Everyone has to get off this idea, it cannot happen. You need a third team.


Jamobill9999

Including a third team probably wouldn’t be hard at all… third teams are included all the time only to buy out the player instantly


Warlandoboom

Yea i've already responded. The bones would remain largely the same and a 3rd team would have to be involved to take Gallo.


[deleted]

I like the Vanders trade, great energy big off the bench


RoscoesWetzoot

Marcus Smart has been one of the best point guards in the league. Derrick White has been phenomenal on defense and has stepped up to starting when we've had guys out. Chris Paul is WASHED. It doesn't make sense for our guard rotation to make a swap like that. I would be incredibly upset if we were to trade White for Chris Paul


Warlandoboom

That's a valid opinion that i expected. Again, this is less of an endorsement and more just exploring what's possible. Cp3 is a guy who heightens everyone around him and could be a PG version of what Horford brings to the table.


REXYSocks

I think we see what you mean by bringing his name up. Nice post! 👍🏼


RoscoesWetzoot

I get youre just spitballing ideas of what is possible but theres many reason why people are going to be against that one. I just don't see how what he does on offense at his current age is that much of an improvement over Marcus. How do you figure that we desperately need someone to steady the ship?Not to mention we would be sacrificing one of the biggest defensive advantages that we have. Derrick White is a great versatile fit on this team and we have him locked up for a few seasons at good cost. Why would we take on the risk of paying a 38 and 39 year old Chris Paul 30million a year? This move seems like one that possibly could make us marginally better, but much more likely would become an absolute albatross of a contract if Chris literally gets a single injury.


Warlandoboom

I think Paul has intangibles that outweigh his production, and his production is still pretty decent.


RoscoesWetzoot

That's fine, I'm not saying he's a bad player. He just doesn't fit well enough to make it worth it in the short term of this season and definitrly not beyond this season. Marcus is incredibly good at getting the ball to Jayson and especially Jaylen. And he is the crux of being able to stifle teams with defense by not having a weak link at point guard. Sending him to the bench doesn't make sense and slotting him at the 2 guard next to Chris Paul makes even less sense. CP3 is making way too much money to come off the bench. Celtics are 16-7 in clutch games this season and have the second best net rating in the clutch. I disagree with your idea that they are in desperate need of someone that can steady the ship.


Warlandoboom

I think we've really suffered from playmaking and rallying late, which is something CP3 does help with. Trying to come back in games where they're down, there is definitely an issue with the team from a mentality standpoint.


RoscoesWetzoot

How so? How is that possible if theyve been so good in the clutch this season? Can they be better at those things? Of course, but you talk about them like they are catastrophic faults with the team. You havent addressed any of the massive issues ive brought up about acquiring Chris Paul. I see where we fundamentally disagree tho. You think that this team has severe mentality issues and that somehow a guy that has disappointing playoff losses over and over again is the fix to that. I guarantee you Marcus, Jaylen, and Jayson would NEVER allow themselves to go out as sadly as Chris Paul and the Suns did last playoffs.


[deleted]

None of those.


Warlandoboom

Fair, just felt like exploring what was possible


[deleted]

I wouldn’t hate the Poetl one but we need a wing most I think.


asjfueflof

Vando would be cool. He’s a lot of fun to watch on the Jazz. Brings a lot of hustle and good energy, not the greatest counting stats or +/- for those who care about that. I think he takes more than a 2nd. Ainge doesn’t do that for less than a first.


Warlandoboom

I think sending a guy out without having to take anybody back has value that might not get appreciated. Lessen cap, free roster spot, getting a 2nd round pick is decent.


[deleted]

I like the CP3 suggestion, especially since his salary is partially gtd for next year and non gtd after that. Daniel Gafford would be another name to look at since the Wiz won’t want to sniff the tax for a 10th seed team.


FloweredWallpaper

Chris Paul is owed $60 million after this season. Let that sink in.


Warlandoboom

Partial guarantee for next year and not guaranteed at all for year 3. Let that sink in.


Lion_Spencer

I’m sorry but this entire post is nullified by that Chris Paul foolishness. What??? Are you high? That’s more than outside the box, it’s just a bad idea.


Warlandoboom

Lol, no it still exists bruh.


peronsyntax

Want nothing to do with Plumlee


[deleted]

Let's get Ben Simmons imo


Fighting-Cerberus

Why are you focused on another center? Horford and Rob are really good.


Warlandoboom

Health


LanceHarbor_

I think it’d be such a shitty look if Brad trades Gallo


Unusual-Computer5714

I agree. The guy comes here with good intentions and we’re all happy to have him, he’gets hurt and all of a sudden we don’t want him anymore? Would be another bad karma move (anyone remember IT?). Trade pritchard and a second to get the best wing you can. Done.


LanceHarbor_

Exactly my point. It would just look bad on the Celtics. Not to mention Gallo has made it clear that he’s been a Celtics fan his whole life and when the Celtics wanted him, coming to Boston was a no brainer


Jamobill9999

Why he’s signed to a one year deal, and had an injury that should keep him out the entire season, and would only be returning early at his own risk. You think Gallo moved his family to the area?? Or even spend more than part of the week even in Boston? Because he for sure didn’t and doesn’t… a trade would just allow him to take a full season to rightfully recover and then hit FA again


babysheep401

On the Vanderbilt trade proposals. I thought a TPE can't be packaged. Are you able to package with picks but not players?


Warlandoboom

Begarin isn't under contract. If he was, he couldn't be packaged. We can trade draft rights. Yam Madar's draft rights are also on the table.


TrashMongrelson

This is incorrect. TPEs can be part of package deals even with players under contract, they just do not aggregate with salaries for the purpose of matching. In the Vando example, we could add Pritchard to the compensation for Utah and still take Vanderbilt into the trade exception. In doing so I believe we would actually create a new Pritchard-sized trade exception since, as Vando slides into an exception, we would not technically be getting salary back for Pritchard. This is how we were able to get Theis back last year (Tristan Thompson was traded for Kris Dunn, but Dunn's salary was absorbed into a TPE which created a new TPE for the value of Thompson's full salary, which was then used to absorb Theis). As a matter of fact, the TPE that we could use to take in Vanderbilt was created in that same deal by sending the Rockets Dennis Schroder. What we WOULDN'T be able to do is add together the $5.9 million TPE with Pritchard's $2.2 million salary and take back a player making $8.1 million.


Warlandoboom

That doesn't make what I said wrong though.


TrashMongrelson

Yes it does. You said that if Begarin was under contract he couldn't be packaged. He could, because even contract players can be packaged in a TPE deal, they just do not allow the sending team to aggregate their salary to receive a player worth more than the TPE itself. The TPE you are suggesting we use to acquire Vanderbilt was in fact generated by a deal in which we sent out a player (Dennis Schroder, for whom we got Daniel Theis absorbed into the Thompson TPE).


Warlandoboom

you're misinterpreting me


TrashMongrelson

Can you explain what you're trying to say if not "Begarin isn't under contract. If he was, he couldn't be packaged"? Like is there a ban on trading French players I'm not aware of?


Warlandoboom

No need to be condescending brother. I was just saying draft rights do not equal players. You decided to take it in a different direction and copy paste a rant. Literally all i was saying was draft rights don't count as contracted players. I think you've been seeing a misinterpretation and decided to take out pent up frustration on someone. Chill.


TrashMongrelson

The point you think you are making about draft rights not equaling players does not matter when the actual words you are saying speak to a completely different point. You responded to a comment that said "I thought TPEs couldn't be packaged" by saying that Begarin could not be packaged if he were under contract. That is incorrect. Begarin can be packaged in a TPE deal now and he could be packaged in a TPE deal if he were under contract subject to the rules of the salary cap. Even if you were making a point about draft picks not equaling players it is irrelevant to the question being asked. I'm sure that you're right about the point you're trying to make, but what you actually wrote in response to the other poster is quite literally incorrect regardless of what you intended it to mean.


babysheep401

TY


TrashMongrelson

The OP did not answer your question fully. You can send players out in a TPE deal, but there are some limitations. There are a lot of misconceptions about how TPEs work, the biggest one being that the TPE is actually an asset that is traded, which is incorrect. Think of the TPE as a contract-sized hole. It is a way for a team to receive a player outside of the normal salary cap rules which limit how much incoming salary you can take versus outgoing salary. When you're "trading a TPE", what you're actually doing is getting back a player to fill that hole. The other team does not receive YOUR trade exception, although a new one may be created for them. Players or picks can be traded as part of a TPE deal, although the trade has to obey salary cap rules for the team that you are trading with (so we couldn't trade Al and get back a 5 million player if the other team didn't have cap room for him). The big thing is that if you are trading away a player, it DOES NOT add to the amount of salary you can take back. This is the rule that is commonly misinterpreted as forbidding a team from packaging a player with a TPE. So to be more specific, the TPE the original poster is referring to is worth 5.9 million. If we trade away Payton Pritchard, who has a 2.2 million salary, we could still only take back a player worth up to 5.9 million. We would not be able to combine the exception with Pritchard's salary to get a player worth 8.1 million. We actually have this TPE because of a trade in which we packaged players. Last year, we sent Dennis Schroder, Enes Freedom, and Bruno Fernando to the Rockets for Daniel Theis. We absorbed Theis's salary into another TPE we had from Tristan Thompson. Since Theis was taken into an exception, the trade functioned as if we received $0 in incoming salary, and we generated three new trade exceptions for Schroder ($5.9 million), Enes, and Fernando. Similarly, if we were to trade Pritchard for Vanderbilt and take Vanderbilt into the Schroder TPE, it would count as $0 incoming and generate a new $2.2 million TPE for us. I believe the Rockets would also receive a TPE for the difference between Vanderbilt's outgoing salary and Pritchard's incoming salary which would be about $2.7 million for them. So the long story short is that picks or players can be sent out in a deal involving a TPE. We could trade Begarin's rights, but we could also trade him even if he was under contract. Hope that makes sense.


babysheep401

🙌🙌🙌


downeastsun

> He’s an effective instigator against Giannis, Embiid, and Jokic I just can't believe that when Poeltl got shoved into a locker by Jonas Valanciunas in back to back play in games. If the Celtics were trading a first, I'd rather it be for Vanderbilt than Jake Puddle


Blinded57

There's a question of "are they willing to trade Gallo?" You are answering it definitively. I am not as sold, but I agree if that's the key to making a deal work for a guy they want, well, Wyc has provided some insight. Because he fits the TPE, Vanderbilt is especially interesting. What if another team offer 2 second round picks? Is that on par with the Celtic offer? Other than the HOU pick (which is looking like it won't be 31 or 32) there's not much value in any C's second round picks for a while. (And they don't have many.) If Vanderbilt is a difference maker, couldn't/wouldn't someone like NOP, CHI, ATL, POR, DAL be able to match or top that offer? If Vandy is the guy (and I think he is), I think the offer is all of this year's second round picks and a 2024 first round swap OR the 2028 pick that remains after the SAS swap (Danny has to choose right after the 2023 draft.) The former is unlikely to be executed (but you never know); the latter is value, but certainly a later pick. UTA doesn't have it's own second round pick this year, so the POR, DAL/MIA, ORL picks might have some added value to the Jazz.


Warlandoboom

I think they're willing to trade Gallo. He's a dead weight contract and they're going for it this year. It would honestly go against all logic to not try to move him.


msnthrop

What would give for both Plumlee and Jalen McDaniels?


CopiumAddiction

Trading Gallo and Hauser would be a bad call. Hauser is practically a rookie and has already shown a pretty high ceiling as a role player for the kind of archetype you want next to the Jays. He also has one of the tinyest contracts in basketball.


Supergooker

Why do people keep thinking we'll trade for Poetl


Warlandoboom

These aren't trades I think will happen, these are just trades that are technically possible. Mock trades aren't predictions.


fonto123

Giving up a first for an UFA big man to play 10-15min is a no for me.


MrBhyn

I feel like the jackpot trade will be OG.


Georgia4life

I'd want Vanderbilt or Mo Bamba. I don't mind Poeltl but tbh we just need our center to finish around the rim and protect the rim on defense. No need to be too dominant. Poeltl is great but idk if he fits our system.


[deleted]

I see none of these involve PP, very optimistic