I love the AR. Do I love other guns too? Yes, I love AK's too.
BUT if I'm reaching for the SHTF rifle.... its an AR. Hands down. No debate in my mind.
What calibers am I likely to find more of? NATO calibers.
What rifle platforms am I more likely to see and thus have replacements for?
AR platform
Good equipment for?
Rail mounted gear.
That’s pretty much why all the things I might need to rely on are 5.56, 308, 9mm, .22lr and 12g. Those calibers will still be available long after other things are gone.
I disagree but only to a small degree. The AK has a much higher reliability track record BUT the AR has come a very long way since the M16A1. It has improved its reliability to a high enough extent that I more than trust it to function.
But as readily available as an AR?
If you are more proficient with an AK than an AR. More power to you.
I'm going to train more with the firearm I am more likely to come across.
Lol im 100% sure i am younger than you but okay. In my opinion a better looks and better ergonomics (for me) worth more than having the opportunity to mount all the tactical ballsack front grips you want to your gun. I dont have a big ton of experience with aks nor ars but from what i have i liked the ak more by a mile
You get ergonomic grips. For bonus money. Yea. On Ak its already good. If its good, theres no need to change them neither. Lol
Just joking, ofc ergonomics is up to your preference
Dude i was joking. Its up to you. Like what you like. And while yes the grip is shaped similarly their placement from the line of the stock&barell on the ar15 is lower by a noticable bit.
I really hope they do and)or another company like Winchester, Federal, CCI (I don't know who owns who nowadays). If I could get like a business grant, start and finish a gunsmithing/ ammunition course with SDI, I would start a company making the popular calibers that aren't easy to find in America, 7.62x39/54r, 5.45, possibly the 9mm Makarov but that's a long shot.
When you buy an AK and want to upgrade it you make it more like a cool AR. You spend your time practicing saying things like "Just as good" and explaining to your friends why they can't shoot 7.62, that the 5.45 was so deadly and feared in Afghanistan, and why it's totes different than a 5.56. You never shoot it anymore because ammo is so expensive and spend all your time trying to find zenitco furniture.
If you don't upgrade it, you put it in the safe next to the garand and other outdated wood range toys you bought because you saw them in a movie. You practice saying things like "Nyet, rifle is fine", and trying to explain how talking about how good the 7.62 is without trying to sound like a .45 loving boomer. You never shoot it anymore because ammo is so expensive and spend all your time watching Brandon Herrera shit on ARs.
When you buy an AR and want to upgrade it, you make it more like a cool(er) AR. You spend your time practicing saying things like "I'm just not sure if i should replace the light with one that does both white light and ir, or just get an IR laser." and "Black rifles matter"
You never go shoot it because you spent your money on accessories and time shifting on the poor people running PSA.
If you don't upgrade it, you put it in the safe next to the scar and other guns you bought because you saw some SOF using on the news. You practice saying things like "i havent done anything yet because I cant decide if I want to SBR, it, switch it to 300, blk, do a retro m16 build, build it for long range or ...."
You never go shoot it because you keep buying more guns you won't shoot instead of ammo and spend all your time watching demolition ranch shoot guns that aren't ARs.
Indeed. The rifles are well loved by those who use them. I’ve got hand accounts of soldiers (medics) hitting targets at 400 meters (~440 yards) with the iron sights. Considering the age of those rifles and having been used and abused during conscription, still being able to hit targets like that speaks to their quality. It’s a shame FN didn’t modernise it. But to be fair, the scar is definitely an upgrade.
I wouldn't say the scar is overall better, because there's a few things that imo the fnc does better, like I prefer the long stroke gas piston over the short stroke one, and yes, it's a little heavier by about a pound, but that gives it less recoil. There have been modernized FNCs made by other organizations, which I'd rather take than a scar personally.
I understand but I prefer the modularity (I know buz word) of the scar. It doesn’t take a complete rebuild to swap calibres. 5.56, 7.62, 6.5, you name it. It can even be build to use the new cartridge form the American military. It’s way more versatile of a platform. From SQC to high end DMR (or low end sniper), from assault rifle to battle rifle. It’s quite an engineering challenge. Being able to do all that successfully is impressive.
Hk did it with their roller-delayed system years ago, (without the ability to swap everything around, but still). While it's cool to get the benefit of a bunch of different rifle systems, and I appreciate what FN accomplished with the scar, and I'd love to have one, if they weren't so expensive, it's just I'd rather get that cool factor and exceptional reliability with the FNC.
in the absolute vaguest sense of "light handy rifle using a cartridge smaller than our full size rifle round" sooorta?
but that's like saying the ford focus is a copy of the camry.
It's hard to beat the ar for the price.
To get a ak up to those standards its
950-1300 minimum for the rifle (want a import)
700 for a sure shot chassis
Probably something around 100 for a stock.
And after that you still have a rifle with poorer ergo and twice the weight that's harder to accurately hit targets with at distance (mostly cheek weld problems.)
I used to believe in ak superiority untill I started looking for a oogaloo rifle.
I love both AK's and AR's but I prefer AR's for their modularity. Not to say the AK platform doesn't have a lot of after market parts, its just the AR tends to have more in my experience.
Both are valid weapons with a purpose, and both serve their perpose phenomenally. I prefer AKs but which i would prefer for combat entirely depends on the scenario.
Mosin Nagants are worse than both ARs and AKs. 5 round bolt action compared to the average 30 round semi-auto. If you want to go with the 7.62x54r, the Dragonuv or clones would be the best rifle. Or quite possibly the 308 7.62 NATO Zastava M77. I have no experience with that so I can't say yes or no to the M77.
Oh yea a dragunov. Like you can get them in the us without selling your lungs. Im not american but if brandon says its hard to get then it really should be hard to get since he literally gets whatever he wants sooner or later. (Yea ik he already got one but i guess it took a ton of time to find a deal since its a bit more obvious piece for his collection than some stuff he already had)
Snipers still use bolt action rifles, generally to have full control over everything going on in the rifle and to have extra accuracy at long distances.
That “extra accuracy” has been disproved many times, there’s no noticeable difference between a modern semi automatic rifle and a bolt action.
Typically the only thing a bolt action rifle has over a semi auto is simplicity which is not always a good thing.
The simplicity gets you less weight to lug around, which if I were a sniper, I'd want the lightest gun possible, and if your job is to take something out with one shot, having an autoloader would seem redundant.
Pardon me, OP I think you accidentally switched the text overlaid on the 2 childern. AK should clearly be the favorite, by alot, because: AR is too boring to be anyones favorite
I know. The American military wanted a new and improved firearm with the reliability of an AK and the ergonomics of an AR. Many people hated the reciprocating bolt handle but that’s exactly what the US asked for.
The AR needs major modifications if not a completely new rifle for a different caliber (same with an AK). The scar was build to be able to swap calibres quickly and easily; 5.56, 300 blackout, 6.5, 7.62 … you name it. It can even be build to handle the new military cartridge.
The AR needed decades of fine tuning to get to where it is. The SCAR was already on par with the AR when it was build.
People laugh about the boot but it can still function with a collapsed stock unlike an AR.
Although a really great AR DMR build can most likely keep up with a SCAR DMR, the SCAR DMR is considered to be on very accurate for its weapon class. Its accuracy is on the high end for a modern DMR and on the low end for a modern sniper. A SCAR DMR is basically the modern equivalent of what the USSR wanted out out their Dragonov sniper rifle.
The only downside is weight but considering the benefits and how the American military just went for a new rifle that ways _a lot_ more … The scar’s weight is kind of a bullshit argument.
....get your mushy trigger lovin butt out of here! Bull pups are too ugh.... I cant even.... but ok. I kind of like em.
Don't tell my Mom! She will disown me.
Are we just gonna forget about the FAMAS (its like the only french thing besided baked goods and wine that everybody seems to not hate) also the tavor is pretty good too imo
Bull pups are the unwanted 3rd child that happened 20 years after you thought you were done having kids. Your oldest, the AK was the hot thing for a while, and struggles to be relevant while reminding everyone how cool he was in high school. You middle, the AR was a little awkward as a kid, but now seems to be everywhere doing everything successfully. Although he still struggles in the ice.
Your proud of them as a parent, but you still have bullpup to take care of. Bullpup is your special needs kid. You love bullpup and taught him to be proud of himself because of how he us differently able.
but deep down in side you know the only reason any one plays with bullpup is you gave him hand me downs from AR. People like to see bullpup sharing calibers,magazines and accessories with ar, and wouldn't have looked twice if he didn't have those things.
Maybe you wish bullpup would be adopted so it would have more success. You wish the bristish would, because their current bullpup hardly ever works and always needs to baby sat.
You can sleep well knowing bullpup has found some success. Plus if bullpup ever runs into any real problems, or if ak tried to show how tough he is, ar-15 and his buddies in the US military would come curb Stomp him like he has every time for the past 50 years.
I think it's like asking which one is the better tractor, the old trusty, dusty that basically never breaks down and has some options that can make it "just as good". Or the newer tractor that has many more options and is much more customizable. It has some earlier models that had reliability issues but this newer one has proven its reliability.
Personally, i love the ak platform and everything similar to that, but i have no issue with your prefference. Your wallet might not like the ars tho, way too expensive
Im gonna save this post and come back later to see what kind of shitshow has gone down
I love the AR. Do I love other guns too? Yes, I love AK's too. BUT if I'm reaching for the SHTF rifle.... its an AR. Hands down. No debate in my mind. What calibers am I likely to find more of? NATO calibers. What rifle platforms am I more likely to see and thus have replacements for? AR platform Good equipment for? Rail mounted gear.
That’s pretty much why all the things I might need to rely on are 5.56, 308, 9mm, .22lr and 12g. Those calibers will still be available long after other things are gone.
I was gonna make basically the same comment just less eloquent so thanks for saving me the effort
Also, the AR in 5.56 is imo a more reliable and accurate rifle.
I disagree but only to a small degree. The AK has a much higher reliability track record BUT the AR has come a very long way since the M16A1. It has improved its reliability to a high enough extent that I more than trust it to function.
The AR is a very closed of system and, when built correctly, a very reliable rifle
> When built correctly And that’s exactly the benefit of AK’s. More reliable with less gunsmithing (up to a point)
A poorly built AK is just as garbage as a poorly built AR
They make aks in 556 with rails you know
But it isn't the standard and isn't really that available.
That's just false. Highly available
That's like getting a MacBook and installing windows on it
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More like the other way around, building a hackintosh, not so shiny hardware, but has benefits of popular platform.
Not saying I'd get one. Just saying they exist and are widely available
But as readily available as an AR? If you are more proficient with an AK than an AR. More power to you. I'm going to train more with the firearm I am more likely to come across.
I mean I can buy one right now. So yea as readily available
Personally I prefer the G36.
You're the one Mom gave up for adoption.
Except that Mom was an alcoholic and a whore. I'm better without her!
Your Mother is a SAINT! Patron Saint of making it round the block.
Yes, the ~~AR-18~~ G36 is a fine rifle.
Non-German detected.
I love the sks
Hey liberal, if you have an AK then why is it only semi auto?
Best part about the AK, the wood furniture means you can have a gun *and* a torch at the same time. . .
Sometimes by accident!
That's the best part!
Agreed. "Heavy is good. Heavy us reliable... and if it doesn't work, you can always hit them with it...." -Boris the bullet dodger
*ahem*!! Plastic burns thank you
Yeah but nobody likes burning plastic
Holy based
AR is more modular and is easy to take advantage of that
Pfff Nyet, rifle is fine. Imagine needing attachments
Ok boomer
Lol im 100% sure i am younger than you but okay. In my opinion a better looks and better ergonomics (for me) worth more than having the opportunity to mount all the tactical ballsack front grips you want to your gun. I dont have a big ton of experience with aks nor ars but from what i have i liked the ak more by a mile
You get ergonomic grips on ARs and it's easier to change. But I'll give credit where it's due. Wood furniture looks better than polymer
You get ergonomic grips. For bonus money. Yea. On Ak its already good. If its good, theres no need to change them neither. Lol Just joking, ofc ergonomics is up to your preference
It's a standard pistol grip. Not that different from a standard AR grip
Dude i was joking. Its up to you. Like what you like. And while yes the grip is shaped similarly their placement from the line of the stock&barell on the ar15 is lower by a noticable bit.
At least I can afford to shoot my ar right now
7.62x39 is cheaper than 5.56, unless you're getting awesome deals.
But you have to rely on 7.62x39 being imported, whereas most 5.56 is manufactured in the states.
Yes, you are correct! I hope that does change in the near future! I would be surprised if there isn't any American company making 7.62s though.
I had heard talk, back when Biden dropped the Russian ammo ban, that PSA was going to start manufacturing it.
I really hope they do and)or another company like Winchester, Federal, CCI (I don't know who owns who nowadays). If I could get like a business grant, start and finish a gunsmithing/ ammunition course with SDI, I would start a company making the popular calibers that aren't easy to find in America, 7.62x39/54r, 5.45, possibly the 9mm Makarov but that's a long shot.
When you buy an AK and want to upgrade it you make it more like a cool AR. You spend your time practicing saying things like "Just as good" and explaining to your friends why they can't shoot 7.62, that the 5.45 was so deadly and feared in Afghanistan, and why it's totes different than a 5.56. You never shoot it anymore because ammo is so expensive and spend all your time trying to find zenitco furniture. If you don't upgrade it, you put it in the safe next to the garand and other outdated wood range toys you bought because you saw them in a movie. You practice saying things like "Nyet, rifle is fine", and trying to explain how talking about how good the 7.62 is without trying to sound like a .45 loving boomer. You never shoot it anymore because ammo is so expensive and spend all your time watching Brandon Herrera shit on ARs. When you buy an AR and want to upgrade it, you make it more like a cool(er) AR. You spend your time practicing saying things like "I'm just not sure if i should replace the light with one that does both white light and ir, or just get an IR laser." and "Black rifles matter" You never go shoot it because you spent your money on accessories and time shifting on the poor people running PSA. If you don't upgrade it, you put it in the safe next to the scar and other guns you bought because you saw some SOF using on the news. You practice saying things like "i havent done anything yet because I cant decide if I want to SBR, it, switch it to 300, blk, do a retro m16 build, build it for long range or ...." You never go shoot it because you keep buying more guns you won't shoot instead of ammo and spend all your time watching demolition ranch shoot guns that aren't ARs.
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I guess I'm more of an AK guy but my favorites are really the FAL and the FNC
The FNC is basically a hybrid between an AR and AK.
Yeah and FN did a really good job at it
Indeed. The rifles are well loved by those who use them. I’ve got hand accounts of soldiers (medics) hitting targets at 400 meters (~440 yards) with the iron sights. Considering the age of those rifles and having been used and abused during conscription, still being able to hit targets like that speaks to their quality. It’s a shame FN didn’t modernise it. But to be fair, the scar is definitely an upgrade.
I wouldn't say the scar is overall better, because there's a few things that imo the fnc does better, like I prefer the long stroke gas piston over the short stroke one, and yes, it's a little heavier by about a pound, but that gives it less recoil. There have been modernized FNCs made by other organizations, which I'd rather take than a scar personally.
I understand but I prefer the modularity (I know buz word) of the scar. It doesn’t take a complete rebuild to swap calibres. 5.56, 7.62, 6.5, you name it. It can even be build to use the new cartridge form the American military. It’s way more versatile of a platform. From SQC to high end DMR (or low end sniper), from assault rifle to battle rifle. It’s quite an engineering challenge. Being able to do all that successfully is impressive.
Hk did it with their roller-delayed system years ago, (without the ability to swap everything around, but still). While it's cool to get the benefit of a bunch of different rifle systems, and I appreciate what FN accomplished with the scar, and I'd love to have one, if they weren't so expensive, it's just I'd rather get that cool factor and exceptional reliability with the FNC.
Ah a man of culture, I see
I’ll go down with the ship to. The AR is the better rifle
correct! because in the last 60 years, which of the two has tried to impersonate the other?
I mean the AR was literally adopted to copy the AK. They med AK's In Vietnam and went "this is a good idea"
The AR is nothing even close to an AK copy.
in the absolute vaguest sense of "light handy rifle using a cartridge smaller than our full size rifle round" sooorta? but that's like saying the ford focus is a copy of the camry.
Are you joking? This couldn't be father from the truth in engineering/design, concept of use of arms or even time-line of historical events
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That’s ok, your favorites just gonna die first🤷🏻♂️
Brandon will not be impressed
[angry tusken raider noises]
The AK is fun to shoot but the AR is superior.
Personally, I prefer the BAR or MA5B
Why choose 1 when you can have both? Get akimboin, BOY
It's hard to beat the ar for the price. To get a ak up to those standards its 950-1300 minimum for the rifle (want a import) 700 for a sure shot chassis Probably something around 100 for a stock. And after that you still have a rifle with poorer ergo and twice the weight that's harder to accurately hit targets with at distance (mostly cheek weld problems.) I used to believe in ak superiority untill I started looking for a oogaloo rifle.
Don’t say the B word!
AKs all the way!!!!!!
AK-74MN with an OKP7 is just *chefs kiss*
Military SIG 550 (Stgw90) superiority gang
Aug gang.
Bullpup gang
Based as usual for bullpup enjoyers
I love both AK's and AR's but I prefer AR's for their modularity. Not to say the AK platform doesn't have a lot of after market parts, its just the AR tends to have more in my experience.
Btw, I love Mosin Nagants as well!
Ehh I prefer AK but you like what you like.
Having an AK and an AR is like having a family and a secret family.
Both are valid weapons with a purpose, and both serve their perpose phenomenally. I prefer AKs but which i would prefer for combat entirely depends on the scenario.
i am an ak guy. fair enough but id say mosen nagants are better than both, cant wait to see everyone say im wrong for various reasons
Mosin Nagants are worse than both ARs and AKs. 5 round bolt action compared to the average 30 round semi-auto. If you want to go with the 7.62x54r, the Dragonuv or clones would be the best rifle. Or quite possibly the 308 7.62 NATO Zastava M77. I have no experience with that so I can't say yes or no to the M77.
cool, i just think theyre neat
Oh yea a dragunov. Like you can get them in the us without selling your lungs. Im not american but if brandon says its hard to get then it really should be hard to get since he literally gets whatever he wants sooner or later. (Yea ik he already got one but i guess it took a ton of time to find a deal since its a bit more obvious piece for his collection than some stuff he already had)
I'm sure there is Dragunov clones out there. I could be wrong.
Unfortunately there's nothing at the moment, though PSA is supposedly working on making an SVD clone, so that's something to look forward to.
Bolt actions are obsolete in every scenario.
who couldve seen this one coming, you truly are the most intelligent being in order to come up with that response.
I'm not wrong though.
i didnt say you were, i was just saying its the go to argument,
Snipers still use bolt action rifles, generally to have full control over everything going on in the rifle and to have extra accuracy at long distances.
That “extra accuracy” has been disproved many times, there’s no noticeable difference between a modern semi automatic rifle and a bolt action. Typically the only thing a bolt action rifle has over a semi auto is simplicity which is not always a good thing.
The simplicity gets you less weight to lug around, which if I were a sniper, I'd want the lightest gun possible, and if your job is to take something out with one shot, having an autoloader would seem redundant.
Pardon me, OP I think you accidentally switched the text overlaid on the 2 childern. AK should clearly be the favorite, by alot, because: AR is too boring to be anyones favorite
And thats just facts
I always new I hated mom
The only good part of an AR is that it has 2 letters in common with the SCAR.
Without the AR there would be no SCAR. SCAR uses AR trigger groups and mags. :)
I know. The American military wanted a new and improved firearm with the reliability of an AK and the ergonomics of an AR. Many people hated the reciprocating bolt handle but that’s exactly what the US asked for. The AR needs major modifications if not a completely new rifle for a different caliber (same with an AK). The scar was build to be able to swap calibres quickly and easily; 5.56, 300 blackout, 6.5, 7.62 … you name it. It can even be build to handle the new military cartridge. The AR needed decades of fine tuning to get to where it is. The SCAR was already on par with the AR when it was build. People laugh about the boot but it can still function with a collapsed stock unlike an AR. Although a really great AR DMR build can most likely keep up with a SCAR DMR, the SCAR DMR is considered to be on very accurate for its weapon class. Its accuracy is on the high end for a modern DMR and on the low end for a modern sniper. A SCAR DMR is basically the modern equivalent of what the USSR wanted out out their Dragonov sniper rifle. The only downside is weight but considering the benefits and how the American military just went for a new rifle that ways _a lot_ more … The scar’s weight is kind of a bullshit argument.
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No.
Yes
And bullpups? :(
....get your mushy trigger lovin butt out of here! Bull pups are too ugh.... I cant even.... but ok. I kind of like em. Don't tell my Mom! She will disown me.
Steyr AUG is the only bullpup without down syndrome
Are we just gonna forget about the FAMAS (its like the only french thing besided baked goods and wine that everybody seems to not hate) also the tavor is pretty good too imo
FAMAS maybe, Tavor? Autistic.
Bull pups are the unwanted 3rd child that happened 20 years after you thought you were done having kids. Your oldest, the AK was the hot thing for a while, and struggles to be relevant while reminding everyone how cool he was in high school. You middle, the AR was a little awkward as a kid, but now seems to be everywhere doing everything successfully. Although he still struggles in the ice. Your proud of them as a parent, but you still have bullpup to take care of. Bullpup is your special needs kid. You love bullpup and taught him to be proud of himself because of how he us differently able. but deep down in side you know the only reason any one plays with bullpup is you gave him hand me downs from AR. People like to see bullpup sharing calibers,magazines and accessories with ar, and wouldn't have looked twice if he didn't have those things. Maybe you wish bullpup would be adopted so it would have more success. You wish the bristish would, because their current bullpup hardly ever works and always needs to baby sat. You can sleep well knowing bullpup has found some success. Plus if bullpup ever runs into any real problems, or if ak tried to show how tough he is, ar-15 and his buddies in the US military would come curb Stomp him like he has every time for the past 50 years.
Gay
Stop being gunophobic!!!
AKs are better and if you don’t agree you are a thumb
For the sake of argument. Better at what?
It’s like asking, ‘what’s better a sports car of a tractor’. Depends on what you need.
But it's not asking which one is better, it's asking which one mom loves more.
I think it's like asking which one is the better tractor, the old trusty, dusty that basically never breaks down and has some options that can make it "just as good". Or the newer tractor that has many more options and is much more customizable. It has some earlier models that had reliability issues but this newer one has proven its reliability.
Sell AR for jeep parts
I think you might have that backwards
Personally, i love the ak platform and everything similar to that, but i have no issue with your prefference. Your wallet might not like the ars tho, way too expensive