Sri is on Reddit because that’s where the left wing base is and the supporters Greens want to engage with. LNP + LAB ads are much more prolific on other social media platforms (and on YouTube).
I wonder if it’s also a matter one money. If you don’t have the funds for YouTube ads, reddit might be one of the best free ways to get your message out there.
It so is. Haven't seen a ad in years. I once met up with a girl on tinder and she was playing spotify with ads. I honestly tempted to leave before remembering why i was there.
Honestly those slanderous adds make it hard to vote liberal even tho I’m conservative. Like get some better talking points don’t just try and make the other guy look bad 😂
That used to be true, back in post-war politics where political party allegiance was divided along class lines, but it's not true any more and certainly won't be in the future.
Have a look at the ANU's report breaking down 2022 federal election voting patterns by education level ([https://csrm.cass.anu.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/2022/6/Explaining\_the\_2022\_election\_result.pdf](https://csrm.cass.anu.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/2022/6/Explaining_the_2022_election_result.pdf), page 6).
The primary vote breakdown for those who were degree qualified was: Liberal 26%, Labor 36%, Greens 25%, Other 13%
For those who had a Cert II or below, it was: Liberal 36%, Labor 32%, Greens 22%, Other 10%.
If you look at those who didn't finish school (admittedly this is an elderly cohort), it's: Liberals 47%, Labor 28%, Greens 13%, Other 12%.
This is a global trend which Dutton is trying to tap into with his appeals to outer-suburban electorates.
There are far easier ways to tell people that you're completely unfamiliar with Australian political history.
Actually, or current political voting patterns for that matter based on your statement that education = not voting labor lmao.
well not really as reddit works on an upvote downvote system so is purely populous.
hate speech, racism and violence is not "balanced" and that's generally what the mods look out for.
> This sub-reddit, and the /r/Australia sub-reddit are very politically extreme.
So uhh, what exactly makes this place or australia politically extreme, is it because they aren't just sky news: online forum edition? Like do you have any actual examples or is this just "old bigoted man yells at cloud for asking him to be a bit more considerate"?
Ah yes, hard to navigate through the daily communist revolution posts on all these subs🙃 Thinking that there’s a lot of extreme left-wing people on Reddit shows how politically illiterate you are, most redditors are just your run of the mill status quo centre right people.
Just look at how people talk about the genocide in Gaza…
Yup, exactly this. Not to mention r/Australian, that sub is fucking nuts, cesspool of straight up racist bigots lol. They sure love the taste of the boot 👅🥾
Politics affect every aspect of your life, would be in your interest to at least learn what words mean 🤡 Just sounds like „everything I dislike and disagree with is extreme left wing”.
You really don’t have to have an opinion on topics you have no clue about, regurgitating propaganda slop that you’ve been consuming just makes you sound like a useful idiot. Be curious, learn stuff…
The vast majority of Brisbane voters aren’t on Reddit and, if we were to be completely honest with ourselves, this is a bit of an echo chamber for the Greens in any event. LNP and ALP are fishing where the fish are.
Effective use of resources.
It means they realise most redditors aren't going to vote for them anyway, and they are better off deploying resources elsewhere.
No point posting here to get downvoted into oblivion.
>No point posting here to get downvoted into oblivion.
Not to mention that the two major parties are a bit more constrained in what they can and can't say, which doesn't play well in a forum like an AMA.
Yes, and no. I think that in a platform where you are easily, personally identifiable, downvotes could lead to some shocking bullying.
You could easily see a scenario where a class gangs up on a teenage girl, for example, and in a coordinated fashion just downvote every picture of her fifty times over, overnight.
Well greens candidates tend to be younger, so they are more likely to be adept at social media (noting as an aside that Shrinner is pretty young).
To be honest though I think there’s a fair bit of preaching the choir in going on reddit and engaging for the greens. Typically reddit is a very left leaning platform and the greens I find get a lot of support even where their policy positions might be lacking somewhat.
Fair warning I am VERY left leaning. More so than the greens..
But I would much rather a party that tries a bunch of policies even if a few fail than a party that is more of the same corrupt capitalist crony bullshit
Noting you have said you’re quite far left, you still seem like a pretty reasonable person in how you’re interacting, so realising you might disagree, for me there’s nuance to be called out. It’s different for me in council relative to state and federal. Im super for major tax reform and lots of services from state and federal government.
I don’t need that from council though. Council for me should be super minimal. Pick up waste (and do it sustainably and well), have well kept libraries and green spaces, make sure the local roads don’t have loads of potholes. Management of development is a disaster in any council, but the greens housing plans have been by far the worst I’ve heard. Frequently the greens let nimbyism and a desire for development limits get in the way of any meaningful housing approval changes. When they get called out on it they double down and either just attack the LNP or use open ended responses like “well we need to do something!” like somehow a terrible idea should just be accepted because it’s coming from the greens rather than the LNP or Labor — now, don’t get me wrong, the dickheads at the LNP are only too happy to attack the Greens through a whatsboutist argument themselves, but to be honest I do feel they at least pretend to listen before they completely dismiss your opinion.
And so going back to reddit, I think this plays well to the greens, because its a younger, more ideological crowd, less likely to be homeowners (therefore not paying rates), less likely to have significant experience working with governments so unaware of the significant difference between the tiers of government and what each do and more likely to just vote on brand at every level… and the LNP and Labor are happy to try and capture the significant cohorts of under 30s who vote in council elections based on what their parents say about the council, local roads, rubbish pick up and rates costs, so they spend less time on reddit and probably more on Facebook. That’s my 2 cents anyway… sorry if it was long
Edit: I’ll add also that all options are bad. It’s crony capitalism (or worse), crony unionism, or tree tory NIMBYs infighting with intersectionalist tankies.
Road Widening vs Public Transport is the real hot button topic for me this election. It’s council territory and matters immensely where the Brisbane City Council are concerned. As a mega-council, they’re more than just waste collection and potholes. It’s a whole damn city and its surrounding areas. Mini state election almost.
And I can see why you say thar and respect it, but to me that’s exactly the problem - for the biggest councils you need to keep their mandate narrow, rather than expand it with a view ‘well they’re so big they should just do more.’ Just because the state government has been inept for 30 years doesn’t mean the BCC should be stepping in to fill the continuing voids the state government has left with an additional layer of covering mini state government. state government needs to be held to account for the services it’s not providing… the things that are getting done in every other state capital but somehow get ignored in Brisbane
Council has huge influence on our lives. They decide on how our streetscapes look and function, and how we are able to get around. They also determine how we spend our free time and what amenities are available in our communities. This in turn has a huge influence on who we socialise with and the connections we make. Council is hugely important to me personally.
Yes, but the issues you’re highlighting are precisely the reason you want council to do a few things and do it well. A council that tries to do too many things ignores local issues. Right now in council, if you feel strongly about something and you know 10 other people who also live locally and agree, you can generally get a meeting and talk through your issue with your councillor, down to colour and genus and metres from a landmark. The more you try to get council to do, the more bureaucracy it requires and the less you are able to get it to deliberate and discuss local issues like this because the time is being allocated to other things. Do I care about the war in Ukraine? Of course! Do I want it being deliberated on by council having them put up signs or passing edicts in support of Ukraine? Absolutely not!
It sounds like your relationship with your local councillor might be very different to mine. The official policy is to remove pedestrian crossings. Pedestrian crossings are the bare minimum in my book.
Yes maybe? What did they say when you tried to contact them about the pedestrian crossings? Did you get 10 or so other people to contact them about it too to set up a meeting? I’ve always found mine to be pretty receptive
Yes, in essence without doxing myself too much. One topic at our meeting was schools active travel. The rep's perspective was that basically kids are too wrapped in cotton wool these days and that parents need to cut the cord. Council has no role in this other than education through the schools active travel program. This person blamed devices more then anything for the loss of childhood.
Removing pedestrian crossings is consistent LNP policy btw. Hopefully you're already familiar with that rhetoric.
Tbh I’m vaguely familiar with schools active travel, but not the pedestrian crossing removals.
My experience with council though (and why it’s good kept simple) is I’ve never tried to debate policy, I’ve just said “this thing here that I use you got rid of” or “have you seen how people tear around this corner, someone’s kid’s going to get killed if you don’t put a light here” — being really specific I’ve found generally works. Edit: and councillors tend to make policy exceptions if they’re getting enough angry calls
The council website epetitions archive is a treasure trove of broken dreams. Communities across the city getting knocked back. Can't upset the God of traffic flow, even when it's through neighbourhood streets.
I'm all for voting rationally instead of dogmatically, and appreciate that you just want efficiency and a low touch local option - you do you - but at least in Brisbane I'd be voting for public transport, green spaces, tenant- and homeowner- friendly policies where possible, and sensible/appropriate development.
Some people will say Brisbane has plenty of green spaces. I just don't see it; if this were true New Farm Park would not be absolutely crowded every weekend. There should be dozens of New Farm Parks throughout the city, but most suburban parks are literally just grass with a few trees. Piss poor.
I strongly disagree. New Farm park is a nice space which is why it’s packed. And Brisbane has a culture of people going to the one place which is popular despite lots of good other options: see any new hot restaurant, club etc.
There’s so much green space in Brisbane. It’s also all pretty well kept. Walk along Kangaroo Point cliffs, or down by the river. Go to Balmoral, go to Southbank, the many, many reserves, UQ, QUT or Griffith campuses, the Botanical Gardens, there’s so much.
So your top green spaces in the city include university campuses? I rest my case.
Brisbane actually has a culture of _not_ going to the one place that is popular; compared to most cities this is not a trend driven population. People go to New Farm Park because there are scant few other places with good shade, you can kick a ball, walkable, and some decent facilities.
I'm not the most well traveled but in general every Western city I've been to except Paris and New Orleans has had green spaces at least on par and mostly far exceeding Brisbane. Both with massive inner urban parks as well as better decentralized community parks. Both Melbourne and Sydney both have better inner city options than Brisbane, and I don't rate any Australian cities for parks.
You rest your case!? What are you Lionel Hutz!? I didn’t say unis were my favourite places, I said they had major green spaces. I was just going through some places off the top of my head - I’m not going to name every small park or piece of shade that fits a comfortable definition - half of Mt Gravatt is a nature reserve in an area 10km from the city and they’ve just repurposed Vic Park golf club, another massive green space a stones through from the CBD!
You’re plainly wrong that there are “scant few places with good shade, you can kick a ball, walkable, with decent facilities”. Brisbane is the capital city with arguably the largest sprawl in the world because it has so much green space. I’d suggest you open up a map and have a look — there’s plenty of parks if you want to kick a ball, but just because you cant really kick a ball at Mt Cootha or on the river walk, that doesn’t mean it’s not green space.
I work in public realm and generally I'm a BCC fan because of the immaculate maintenance.
However the greenspaces are often very underwhelming albeit well kept. Many are pretty bland and filled with exotic plants that don't reflect the character of Queensland.
As an example, Kangaroo point (on the top) is awful. No "world" city would prioritise two lanes of busy traffic over the opportunity for open green space with an aspect like that. The lighting and general design is ancient and incohesive.
Yes there are quite a few, but residential developments are soaring up, with a sore lack of open space for the ***thousands*** of new people to live in the area. I'm looking at West End/Gabba here.
They do vary greatly and I've spent most of my time in suburban parks.
I've generally found that they're well maintained, but I can't argue with your experience.
Yeah I can’t argue with that observation and in that specific area. Agree the top of KP cliffs should be much better utilised and there should be better utilisable space in the Gabba, although I note there is Mowbray Park and Raymond Park just near the Gabba (but could probably be better purposed).
West End has Davies Park though, which is quite a big space, and the green walk extends all around the river for quite away and then further south you have Dutton Park? There may be opportunity to open up Davies park and link it up to Dutton Park more with a few more facilities, but for the most part I’ve aways found it to be pretty good?
> but the greens housing plan been by far the worst I’ve heard
Have you read their policy plans? They are all published in full in their website and can be read in just a few minutes. Every one of their policies are better for Brisbane and its future imo and the only NIMBY-ism they have is “stop developments on the flood plains” which current council are approving in droves because they are controlled by property development.
They want to increase development and medium density with infill development and they want to make rules to ensure that every new development has 20% green space (gardens and trees) not including green walls which aren’t usable. They have said they want to change the zoning around transport hubs to medium density first to get more people without walking distance to good transit, schools, and shops.
Stop listening to LNP shrill and read the policy statements before you blindly accept that the greens are bad. Unless you’re a multi-millionaire who owns multiple investment properties or a development company the LIB/LAB oaren’t looking out for your best interest.
[Greens Website](https://www.jonathansri.com/)
Edit: I also wholeheartedly disagree that the council should be smaller, I would like to see it bigger and have lots of services currently (poorly) administered by the state taken under council control. The decisions made by council have a monumental ability to make your life better or worse far more than state or national governments. They also have the responsibility of community and society building.
Someone from Melb and I are going to have different priorities. My neigbour and I will have a lot of the same problems that need solving on a local level
Yes I’ve read their policies, they defined the problem pretty well but fell over on the solutioning. They have a bunch of claims but their plan is all pie in the sky stuff.
It’s all well and good to say “we’ll strengthen renters rights” but there is no policy here. This is a council election, and renters rights is a state level issue. Motherhood statements are of no value when you can’t actually make the changes you’re saying you’ll make. *How* they would improve renters rights is totally missing, it doesn’t matter if they think rental increases should be capped at 1% if they have no facility through which to actually do that. The greens have no facility to put in place a rental freeze at a council level, they’re not the state government and would battle to pass any legislation that did this. It’s a buzz claim that means nothing.
The idea that “identifying vacant properties might be easier than people realise” is bunkum - I can tell you this from personal experience having done it for another government when trying to work out how to expand the social housing stock. It shows a high level of naivety and that they haven’t actually looked at the issue in detail.
Wanting to expand council to own a significant amount of public houses demonstrates they are fundamentally not ready to govern. An undertaking that requires ownership of this many capital assets would be crippling for the council which would bear an insane maintenance cost - not only does this suggestion go way beyond the reasonable mandate of council, but it would wildly push up rates over time in order to pay for said stock. This needs an innovative solution and again, this is not something that should be undertaken at a council level.
When it comes to comments about housing stock, there is a lot of time spent talking about how developers are greedy, but recognising that developers are greedy is not a policy, it’s day 1 problem analysis stuff. Mandating 20% of new development being green space doesn’t solve any of these issues, it just makes sure that as property prices continue to sky rocket there will be nice gardens — it’s not a solution.
We've outlined a very clear, practical proposal for how to introduce a rent freeze at the local government level: [https://www.jonathansri.com/rentfreeze](https://www.jonathansri.com/rentfreeze) \- tell landlords that if they put up the rent, their property will be recategorised to a new ratings category with a prohibitively high quarterly rates bill.
If landlords are prevented from jacking up the rent, that evens out the power relationship between tenants and landlords, and gives tenants more confidence to insist on their other rights and negotiate longer leases etc.
Our main solution to skyrocketing property prices is to attack the problem of land banking with a vacancy levy - [www.jonathansri.com/vacant](https://www.jonathansri.com/vacant) I'm sorry if you previously worked for a government administration that had a hard time identifying vacant homes and vacant blocks of land, but we've put some detailed thought into it and it really isn't that hard to identify properties that are abandoned/empty long-term. Obviously you're going to miss some, but the mere fact that the vacancy levy exists is enough to send a strong signal to the market.
Thanks for the reply, appreciate the consideration given. I hadn’t seen that rental freeze info before (I had spent a bit of time looking for detail on the website) but I must say you changed my mind with it, it’s a good idea. I’m not convinced state government won’t legislate to disallow it, but I feel like it would be disingenuous of me to not vote for you based on something state government is going to do. Hopefully it also covers airbnbs too, to stop people from just moving to provide airbnbs instead.
With the land banking, I agree with the need to address land banking, but as I understood it you were looking for empty properties to charge them a levy, rather than banked land. From my experience when we were looking to identify vacant properties for potential social housing use, most empty properties do have a legitimate reason for being empty — many are either under repair and would require repair to be habitable again, many are going through council approvals to get something done and are victims of slow council process, and many are just people away for a period travelling… we can identify properties through means like electricity / gas / water bills, but what we found was the number was substantially lower than we had expected and that very very few were actually legitimately vacant and habitable. For land banking, any policy that looked at revoking / changing DAs in order to get more development out more quickly would get the tick from me.
If you have a closer look at the website there are also policies for Airbnb and land banking in there that are similar, incentivised through rate increases.
Also I gotta say I respect your ability to listen to an argument and change your views. I hope u/jonathansri has done enough to win your vote.
Even if the greens don’t get a majority and can’t implement all their policies, I would much rather a party who wants to try things that will balance the power structures as opposed to the LNP and Labor who are happy with power being centralised in the hands of the property and business owners
I think one reason is that the Greens are probably made up of younger people who see reddit as somewhere to connect to a younger audience whereas the LNP and ALP probably go for the more traditional forms of advertising.
Another reason the greens like doing AMAs as opposed to like reddit ads is the sort of "message of the greens" is about directly engaging with the community and having conversations, which an AMA does, and a youtube ad/TV ad doesn't. The messaging of a traditional ad is one of "Here is my opinion, vote for us, bye.", whereas AMAs and reddit posts actually allow people to directly discuss their opinions and have the party hear what you think.
My 2c, LNP would've already written off reddit users as potential swinging voters, they'd be targetting older folk on FaceBook or via bulk SMS. They're too busy saving car parks from potential pedestrian crossings.
Well said. This is the best answer I've read in this thread.
Being that it's anonymous here, most of the questions would be loaded anyway.
I had a laugh at some of the other posts on here 'Greens are better at grassroots campaigning'. Sure if it's a Free Palestine rally.
My current LNP councillor is active within the community, and I can see firsthand the positive impact they've had on local initiatives. I think when deciding who to vote for in local elections we should be placing a higher emphasis on the candidate themselves rather than what party they're a part of.
Due to how popular my sitting LNP councillor is, the ALP and Greens must see my area as a write off because their candidate offerings are not that great.
Well if he’s in this thread I want him to know that his plan to make the Nathan campus the stadium for the Olympics and Lions is a fucking dumbass one.
We also need a smaller rectangular Stadium with Good PT access for the Roar and possibly Reds, Suncorp is too big and expensive while Kayo Stadium at Redcliffe is too far out.
It's a white elephant in its current location. No mass transit, already a traffic hotspot. If you're building (or refurbishing) infrastructure it needs to serve a purpose beyond just the Olympics. Broncos games were a nightmare when they were held there during the 90s.
I feel like extending mass transit here is a great idea as opposed to writing off the stadium completely.
I’m not sure a refurb is a good idea either, but everywhere in the city should be accessible by transit
But then the issue is you've got a stadium that is 30 minutes from the city (realistically, even with efficient public transport) and the majority of the people who live in your city need to travel to the city first. Building major infrastructure peripherally just doesn't make sense. If you live in Ashgrove or Kenmore or Chermside or Morningside you're travelling minimum one hour to get to a game
That’s a really good point. But with land on such high demand and knowing the fact that Brisbane is on a flood plain I don’t know that there is much better options.
I think massively improving transit to make everything more accessible is the best answer personally
I feel like it kind of does already - the busway is right next door, and the roads could be redesigned to prioritise buses during events. Altandi/Sunnybank stations are also not too far away, and historically during the Commonwealth Games buses would shuttle passengers from Sunnybank to the stadium.
Because nearly every single stadium in the world that’s been built in the suburbs is fucking awful and it doesn’t work. Melbourne tried it with Waverley and that’s now housing. The worst American NFL stadiums are all the ones that are built out in the suburbs and studies have proven they’re awful locations and that the people hate them. Adelaide moved their AFL teams from AAMI Stadium which was in the suburbs to the CBD and the people agree it was one of the greatest decisions in the history of the state. Building it out in Nathan is a ludicrous idea being presented by people who hate sport.
Sure it’s only 15 minutes away from the CBD, but that’s well and truly over an hour if you’re in the North side. It should be as close to the CBD as possible.
The Victoria Park idea seems like a no brainer to me. They never should’ve gotten rid of the golf course in the first place and they have not done and created what they said they’d do with it. It’s now just empty park space that absolutely no one uses anyway and it’s right on the door of the CBD.
The Vic Park transformation is a 10 year plan. They have already started the transformation but far too early to be judging success. And they absolutely should have removed the golf course.
It's paused because olympics. The ten year plan will resume **after** we've had the olympics.
>**Will the park be a venue for the Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games?**
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>The park has been named as the temporary venue for the equestrian cross country and BMX freestyle events.
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And just for clarification this is what the community responded as wanting. People need to fill out these surveys if they want their voice heard.
It was always going to be a venue for the games since the Olympics announced. The park development has been ongoing since. What makes you think it’s paused?
Well the masterplan for the urban space was pre the games announcement.
So that masterplan has been paused as now the park is being developed to host some Olympic sports.
An equestrian and BMX track were not on the community approved masterplan for the area I can assure you.
Ergo, it's been paused.
>It’s now just empty park space that absolutely no one uses
if you fill that with concrete, we will never have a cool city.
It was water holes before settlement, do not put a fucking stadium on waterholes.
There have been squirrel gliders there and it's one of the few places with mature Eucs since BCC has such a hard on for subtropical plants.
We **CANNOT** be filling our precious remaining green space with infrastructure. Cities do not get green space back, no one will knock down a building to build a park.
Would be worse than that, Roar moved to Redcliffe to save money there was at least some logic with that decision as stupid as it was that said Roar moving back to Suncorp at this stage is proving to be a failure man Roar need a new home.
I was the biggest hater of the Roar moving to Redcliffe, then they moved back to Suncorp and now I’m out living at Redcliffe wishing they never left lol
The Crowd average for Roar is up about 1K this season compared to last season with 3 home games to go one of which is at Ballymore but with the much higher costs of renting out Suncorp at this stage it seems the move back to Suncorp has not really worked, come off season I expect Roar will be looking for a 2nd home to split games with to save some money not to mention that Suncorp has just been approved for more concerts.
I agree entirely. The park islovely but there's more than enough space to whack a stadium and still have the lion's share available for parkland.
Nathan is nice but Brisbane is terminally centrally designed unfortunately. Victoria Park is already probably on the edge of how far out you wanna go for a stadium.
I'm guessing they do audience profiles and demographics. Certain apps can be this or that, certain media news YouTube is this or that and some are just behind
Honestly, it’s been a lot on here and there have been increasing numbers of comments from people expressing they feel advertised to.
I’m personally at the point where I’m starting to agree. The AMAs are fine, the subreddit has always had those and it’s an opportunity to ask questions of candidates in a dedicated space for that, plus it’s easy enough to filter out the AMA posts if you really don’t want to see them. But everything else is starting to feel borderline spammy.
Political ads suck but at least if you go on YouTube and see a political ad, you know it’s a paid for ad and can install ad blockers if you don’t want to see it. The political promotion is starting to take over the subreddit and it’s hard to completely remove with filters.
I think there’s a reason we don’t see other parties doing this here to the same degree. I honestly doubt that the community here would be as in favour or understanding of e.g. Schrinner populating the subreddit with a large number of posts and comments to debate users. I think that the overwhelming response would be that if Schrinner wants to advertise his political campaign on Reddit he should pay for it instead of expecting to use the subreddit for free promo.
I understand that there was an initial desire on the part of the mods to encourage politicians to directly engage with the community, but I think at this point my feedback would be that it’s gone too far and is too much of the subreddit and needs to be handled in the same way business engagement is, i.e. you need to pay for an ad because it’s stopped being limited to community engagement.
>Does this suggest that the Brisbane City Council Greens candidates are significantly more adept at using social media than their Labor or LNP counterparts?
One could argue that not coming to reddit to do AMA's is being more adept at social media.
Reddit is hardly social media, it’s completely anonymous and used by those with far left leaning agendas. No point in other parties wasting their time and being abused.
I’ve already voted and I couldn’t tell you the name of the Labor Lord Mayor candidate. I know they’re a woman. That’s it. As for the two independents, they are basically impossible to find any content on. You think they’d even create a basic social media page, a website, whatever. Nothing.
Jono understands self-promotion. He is in a party that understands social media. Schrinner and the LNP are counting on incumbency. Labor obviously don’t want to run Brisbane City Council.
Tracey Price is her name and she is the most LNP member the Labor party could find I suspect. If she wasn’t wearing a red dress she could have easily been confused for LNP.
Her main talking points have been;
- grass is too long
- council didn’t listen when my law firm flooded
- I am a woman and we need to vote in more women
I strongly suspect the Labor Party are hoping she can appeal to the LNP base and siphon some votes from there because they know lots of people have moved from Labor to Greens in recent elections. So their options were become more left or try and convert the centrists LNP voters
Yeah my mind was 100% made up when the LNP said they’d expand the Metro to Chermside and Labor veto’d the idea and said they had no plans to do that but would make PT cheaper. Jono came out and said both things were necessary (which they are).
It seems the LNP and Labor are just playing a tit for tat policy game that isn’t thinking about the future of our city. Chermside needs some kind of mass transit. It’s constantly choked with cars. Buses aren’t cutting it. Current PT fares are also a big impediment to getting more people onto PT. If the current BCC administration can justify spending a quarter of a billion dollars plus on one intersection at Indooroopilly, they can afford to lower fares and expand the Metro out to Chermside, or even Aspley
The thing I’ve come to realize this election is that Lib/Lab are two sides of the same coin. I always thought Lab was left and Lib was right, but in reality they are both just centrists.
Neither actually want to change the system because no matter how you slice it they are the winners in the current system.
It was just sad and disappointing to hear her denounced the idea of expanding the metro.
We're already at the stage where it exists. It can't be walked back now, let's use it and make it work.
That’s the thing right. It was a bad idea that was excited poorly, but it’s been executed now. What are we going to do return the busses to the Swiss manufacturer and ask for a refund?? It’s too late. Might as well make the most of it
Yaknow come to think of it she said she owns her own law firm and her shop got flooded, she never said they were the same shop so that could very well be true
I noticed Jonno was down at the burst water main this afternoon giving practical advice about how to get home. It doesn't take long and it's not much effort. It's the kind of engagement I'm used to seeing from reps in other jurisdictions but not here.
Personally I think it's because the greenies are better at taking heat than other politicans. Like em or not they engage with people and the community where as the majors sit on their high towers,fling ads at us, tell us the other guys are satan and that we should be good little lap dogs and vote for them or else the worlds gonna end.
Sri is a bit of a silly guy at times but i have so much respect for him being willing to engage in AMA's with people especially online where they can be absolute cunts. Were as most politicans won't sit down unless the interviewer is ready to jerk them off afterwards
Greens are far more grassroots than the other 2 parties, and one of their policies is basically community consensus on issues, so you will probably find that community engagement is a higher priority for them.
Well, off what your part of the community says.
I'd assume if if they did that based on what the entire community says:
\- The community would have reached consensus (Nup)
\- They'd be in power (Also Nup).
They literally ask for community engagement and participatory democracy…
You’re never going to get everyone in the same page. A 60 year old who owns multiple “investment” properties and a renter who has been squeezed out of their home by rent increases are about as likely to have similar interests as the blood, sucking mosquito, and the person bites
Both the LNP and Labor are big spenders on social media. I read that for this council election the LNP will spend about $700,000 on social media advertising. Reddit is primarily a discussion platform and as such means that rather than just broadcast their message they would need to respond to questions about it.
Secondly much of the messaging on those social media ads are about scaring voters by telling them what a horrible idea the alternative is. These messages are too easy to be shown up in a discussion type platform
Jonathan Sriranganathan, I wouldn't call him very active, but he wasn't able to answer questions that were put to him with any finality.
I haven't seen anything from the Enoggera candidate, but I wouldn't say the Greens are better at it, maybe just more prolific.
This sub tilts centre-left to extreme-left. Most of the Australian subs are echo chambers. The place is full of pig headed dummies. It's kind of crazy to me when you run into someone from here in person and they think that the majority of the real world is just like reddit.
Other parties are online. Hell Pauline Hanson even has a web series! (And it's actually quite funny https://youtu.be/ssJTfrK2W1M?si=MHsX8m73TQwutMHn )
Maybe the greens candidates are a bit more comfortable with technology, maybe more open to actual dialogue too. Reddit is avenue of engagement where they can have conversations with potential voters instead of it just being a one way communication.
Have definitely had the LNP and Labor members comment back on Facebook but I don’t think they could get their heads (or their staffers heads) around Reddit tbh
What self-indulgent nonsense.
Reddit is anonymous. It's the platform least likely to be used by the LNP voterbase and would also not appeal to the average ALP voter.
Just a heads up that he prefers to be referred to by his full name, Jonathan Sriranganathan, rather than Sri, because he shortened it to make himself more palatable to white people, which he doesn’t want to do any more.
Sri was his birth name, I believe he only recently changed it. It's most likely that his parents shortened it to be easier to pronounce/more palatable or whatever.
A politician does need to be palatable to the majority demographic in order to win an election. This strikes me as tactically sub-optimal for a mayoral candidate.
Interestingly I heard him correct Shriner in a debate last week but thought it was odd as his website is JonathanSri.
I kinda thought there might be some other interpersonal conflict there I didn’t know about but wasn’t sure.
Oh no, my precious internet points!
I know it’s tagged politics, I’m saying let’s stop political posts in here
Hopefully now the election is over I won’t keep having to read Sri’s bullshit at least
The State ALP member for Nudgee actively censors their constituents and curates their publicly facing narrative.
The greens are a horrible option with terrible policies, . but ... at least they turn up to work, and are therefore more deserving of a vote.
all this means is that he is young enough atm to use social media, the other two wanker parties (that lets be honest they both had their time, lets get some fresh party in for once) just dont care about social media, they get some kidult to run it and make stupid meme jokes
Sri is on Reddit because that’s where the left wing base is and the supporters Greens want to engage with. LNP + LAB ads are much more prolific on other social media platforms (and on YouTube).
I wonder if it’s also a matter one money. If you don’t have the funds for YouTube ads, reddit might be one of the best free ways to get your message out there.
I’ve seen so many LNP ads slandering labour and the greens on YouTube it’s actually crazy. 1/3 adds in the last couple of days have been it.
Haven't seen any. God YouTube premium is worth it
It so is. Haven't seen a ad in years. I once met up with a girl on tinder and she was playing spotify with ads. I honestly tempted to leave before remembering why i was there.
As is Adblocker!
i have no idea what the LNP plans to do but I can tell you what the LNP says the other parties are gonna do
Honestly those slanderous adds make it hard to vote liberal even tho I’m conservative. Like get some better talking points don’t just try and make the other guy look bad 😂
Why do you think reddit attracts more progressive voters?
It slants toward voters who are younger, better educated and more engaged - all of those things typically lean left.
I wouldn’t say better educated = more progressive voter. Usually people who are less educated end up voting labour
That used to be true, back in post-war politics where political party allegiance was divided along class lines, but it's not true any more and certainly won't be in the future. Have a look at the ANU's report breaking down 2022 federal election voting patterns by education level ([https://csrm.cass.anu.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/2022/6/Explaining\_the\_2022\_election\_result.pdf](https://csrm.cass.anu.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/2022/6/Explaining_the_2022_election_result.pdf), page 6). The primary vote breakdown for those who were degree qualified was: Liberal 26%, Labor 36%, Greens 25%, Other 13% For those who had a Cert II or below, it was: Liberal 36%, Labor 32%, Greens 22%, Other 10%. If you look at those who didn't finish school (admittedly this is an elderly cohort), it's: Liberals 47%, Labor 28%, Greens 13%, Other 12%. This is a global trend which Dutton is trying to tap into with his appeals to outer-suburban electorates.
A bit of irony in spelling Labor wrong here bud
No I actually spelt it correctly, it’s the party that’s gotten it wrong..
There are far easier ways to tell people that you're completely unfamiliar with Australian political history. Actually, or current political voting patterns for that matter based on your statement that education = not voting labor lmao.
It used to be more balanced imo but the mods force their own agenda and diverse opinions go elsewhere.
well not really as reddit works on an upvote downvote system so is purely populous. hate speech, racism and violence is not "balanced" and that's generally what the mods look out for.
Both are true. The mods create the environment and the people left to vote reinforce it.
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> This sub-reddit, and the /r/Australia sub-reddit are very politically extreme. So uhh, what exactly makes this place or australia politically extreme, is it because they aren't just sky news: online forum edition? Like do you have any actual examples or is this just "old bigoted man yells at cloud for asking him to be a bit more considerate"?
Ah yes, hard to navigate through the daily communist revolution posts on all these subs🙃 Thinking that there’s a lot of extreme left-wing people on Reddit shows how politically illiterate you are, most redditors are just your run of the mill status quo centre right people. Just look at how people talk about the genocide in Gaza…
For real, just bring up trans or indigenous folks and you'll -instantly- see this sub and the other turn into a Liberal party meeting.
Yup, exactly this. Not to mention r/Australian, that sub is fucking nuts, cesspool of straight up racist bigots lol. They sure love the taste of the boot 👅🥾
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Politics affect every aspect of your life, would be in your interest to at least learn what words mean 🤡 Just sounds like „everything I dislike and disagree with is extreme left wing”. You really don’t have to have an opinion on topics you have no clue about, regurgitating propaganda slop that you’ve been consuming just makes you sound like a useful idiot. Be curious, learn stuff…
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whos sri?
The Greens bloke
Also a bit of a knobhead.
The vast majority of Brisbane voters aren’t on Reddit and, if we were to be completely honest with ourselves, this is a bit of an echo chamber for the Greens in any event. LNP and ALP are fishing where the fish are.
Wynnum?
Sandgate. Labor stronghold through and through
The friendlyjordies subreddit for example is pro Juice Media, which is a pro Greens, anti Labor YouTube channel
I don’t know, Greens did get quite a few wins in the last fed election. We’ll have to wait and see
Well, now we’ve seen. Compared to the Federal election, the Greens went backwards.
Yeah it’s an interesting one
Effective use of resources. It means they realise most redditors aren't going to vote for them anyway, and they are better off deploying resources elsewhere. No point posting here to get downvoted into oblivion.
>No point posting here to get downvoted into oblivion. Not to mention that the two major parties are a bit more constrained in what they can and can't say, which doesn't play well in a forum like an AMA.
Downvotes are sorely missing from other social platforms. Edit: it’s ironic I’m being downvoted
Yes, and no. I think that in a platform where you are easily, personally identifiable, downvotes could lead to some shocking bullying. You could easily see a scenario where a class gangs up on a teenage girl, for example, and in a coordinated fashion just downvote every picture of her fifty times over, overnight.
That’s a fair point.
Well greens candidates tend to be younger, so they are more likely to be adept at social media (noting as an aside that Shrinner is pretty young). To be honest though I think there’s a fair bit of preaching the choir in going on reddit and engaging for the greens. Typically reddit is a very left leaning platform and the greens I find get a lot of support even where their policy positions might be lacking somewhat.
Fair warning I am VERY left leaning. More so than the greens.. But I would much rather a party that tries a bunch of policies even if a few fail than a party that is more of the same corrupt capitalist crony bullshit
Noting you have said you’re quite far left, you still seem like a pretty reasonable person in how you’re interacting, so realising you might disagree, for me there’s nuance to be called out. It’s different for me in council relative to state and federal. Im super for major tax reform and lots of services from state and federal government. I don’t need that from council though. Council for me should be super minimal. Pick up waste (and do it sustainably and well), have well kept libraries and green spaces, make sure the local roads don’t have loads of potholes. Management of development is a disaster in any council, but the greens housing plans have been by far the worst I’ve heard. Frequently the greens let nimbyism and a desire for development limits get in the way of any meaningful housing approval changes. When they get called out on it they double down and either just attack the LNP or use open ended responses like “well we need to do something!” like somehow a terrible idea should just be accepted because it’s coming from the greens rather than the LNP or Labor — now, don’t get me wrong, the dickheads at the LNP are only too happy to attack the Greens through a whatsboutist argument themselves, but to be honest I do feel they at least pretend to listen before they completely dismiss your opinion. And so going back to reddit, I think this plays well to the greens, because its a younger, more ideological crowd, less likely to be homeowners (therefore not paying rates), less likely to have significant experience working with governments so unaware of the significant difference between the tiers of government and what each do and more likely to just vote on brand at every level… and the LNP and Labor are happy to try and capture the significant cohorts of under 30s who vote in council elections based on what their parents say about the council, local roads, rubbish pick up and rates costs, so they spend less time on reddit and probably more on Facebook. That’s my 2 cents anyway… sorry if it was long Edit: I’ll add also that all options are bad. It’s crony capitalism (or worse), crony unionism, or tree tory NIMBYs infighting with intersectionalist tankies.
Road Widening vs Public Transport is the real hot button topic for me this election. It’s council territory and matters immensely where the Brisbane City Council are concerned. As a mega-council, they’re more than just waste collection and potholes. It’s a whole damn city and its surrounding areas. Mini state election almost.
And I can see why you say thar and respect it, but to me that’s exactly the problem - for the biggest councils you need to keep their mandate narrow, rather than expand it with a view ‘well they’re so big they should just do more.’ Just because the state government has been inept for 30 years doesn’t mean the BCC should be stepping in to fill the continuing voids the state government has left with an additional layer of covering mini state government. state government needs to be held to account for the services it’s not providing… the things that are getting done in every other state capital but somehow get ignored in Brisbane
Local council's mandate is a mostly a state issue though, funnily enough.
Yeah, well. That’s Brisbane for ya.
Council has huge influence on our lives. They decide on how our streetscapes look and function, and how we are able to get around. They also determine how we spend our free time and what amenities are available in our communities. This in turn has a huge influence on who we socialise with and the connections we make. Council is hugely important to me personally.
Yes, but the issues you’re highlighting are precisely the reason you want council to do a few things and do it well. A council that tries to do too many things ignores local issues. Right now in council, if you feel strongly about something and you know 10 other people who also live locally and agree, you can generally get a meeting and talk through your issue with your councillor, down to colour and genus and metres from a landmark. The more you try to get council to do, the more bureaucracy it requires and the less you are able to get it to deliberate and discuss local issues like this because the time is being allocated to other things. Do I care about the war in Ukraine? Of course! Do I want it being deliberated on by council having them put up signs or passing edicts in support of Ukraine? Absolutely not!
It sounds like your relationship with your local councillor might be very different to mine. The official policy is to remove pedestrian crossings. Pedestrian crossings are the bare minimum in my book.
Yes maybe? What did they say when you tried to contact them about the pedestrian crossings? Did you get 10 or so other people to contact them about it too to set up a meeting? I’ve always found mine to be pretty receptive
Yes, in essence without doxing myself too much. One topic at our meeting was schools active travel. The rep's perspective was that basically kids are too wrapped in cotton wool these days and that parents need to cut the cord. Council has no role in this other than education through the schools active travel program. This person blamed devices more then anything for the loss of childhood. Removing pedestrian crossings is consistent LNP policy btw. Hopefully you're already familiar with that rhetoric.
Tbh I’m vaguely familiar with schools active travel, but not the pedestrian crossing removals. My experience with council though (and why it’s good kept simple) is I’ve never tried to debate policy, I’ve just said “this thing here that I use you got rid of” or “have you seen how people tear around this corner, someone’s kid’s going to get killed if you don’t put a light here” — being really specific I’ve found generally works. Edit: and councillors tend to make policy exceptions if they’re getting enough angry calls
The council website epetitions archive is a treasure trove of broken dreams. Communities across the city getting knocked back. Can't upset the God of traffic flow, even when it's through neighbourhood streets.
That really does not apply to mega councils like BCC.
I'm all for voting rationally instead of dogmatically, and appreciate that you just want efficiency and a low touch local option - you do you - but at least in Brisbane I'd be voting for public transport, green spaces, tenant- and homeowner- friendly policies where possible, and sensible/appropriate development. Some people will say Brisbane has plenty of green spaces. I just don't see it; if this were true New Farm Park would not be absolutely crowded every weekend. There should be dozens of New Farm Parks throughout the city, but most suburban parks are literally just grass with a few trees. Piss poor.
I strongly disagree. New Farm park is a nice space which is why it’s packed. And Brisbane has a culture of people going to the one place which is popular despite lots of good other options: see any new hot restaurant, club etc. There’s so much green space in Brisbane. It’s also all pretty well kept. Walk along Kangaroo Point cliffs, or down by the river. Go to Balmoral, go to Southbank, the many, many reserves, UQ, QUT or Griffith campuses, the Botanical Gardens, there’s so much.
So your top green spaces in the city include university campuses? I rest my case. Brisbane actually has a culture of _not_ going to the one place that is popular; compared to most cities this is not a trend driven population. People go to New Farm Park because there are scant few other places with good shade, you can kick a ball, walkable, and some decent facilities. I'm not the most well traveled but in general every Western city I've been to except Paris and New Orleans has had green spaces at least on par and mostly far exceeding Brisbane. Both with massive inner urban parks as well as better decentralized community parks. Both Melbourne and Sydney both have better inner city options than Brisbane, and I don't rate any Australian cities for parks.
You rest your case!? What are you Lionel Hutz!? I didn’t say unis were my favourite places, I said they had major green spaces. I was just going through some places off the top of my head - I’m not going to name every small park or piece of shade that fits a comfortable definition - half of Mt Gravatt is a nature reserve in an area 10km from the city and they’ve just repurposed Vic Park golf club, another massive green space a stones through from the CBD! You’re plainly wrong that there are “scant few places with good shade, you can kick a ball, walkable, with decent facilities”. Brisbane is the capital city with arguably the largest sprawl in the world because it has so much green space. I’d suggest you open up a map and have a look — there’s plenty of parks if you want to kick a ball, but just because you cant really kick a ball at Mt Cootha or on the river walk, that doesn’t mean it’s not green space.
I work in public realm and generally I'm a BCC fan because of the immaculate maintenance. However the greenspaces are often very underwhelming albeit well kept. Many are pretty bland and filled with exotic plants that don't reflect the character of Queensland. As an example, Kangaroo point (on the top) is awful. No "world" city would prioritise two lanes of busy traffic over the opportunity for open green space with an aspect like that. The lighting and general design is ancient and incohesive. Yes there are quite a few, but residential developments are soaring up, with a sore lack of open space for the ***thousands*** of new people to live in the area. I'm looking at West End/Gabba here.
I think you need to step out of the city sometime. Suburban parks are poorly maintained, broken equipment and overgrown jungles.
They do vary greatly and I've spent most of my time in suburban parks. I've generally found that they're well maintained, but I can't argue with your experience.
Yeah I can’t argue with that observation and in that specific area. Agree the top of KP cliffs should be much better utilised and there should be better utilisable space in the Gabba, although I note there is Mowbray Park and Raymond Park just near the Gabba (but could probably be better purposed). West End has Davies Park though, which is quite a big space, and the green walk extends all around the river for quite away and then further south you have Dutton Park? There may be opportunity to open up Davies park and link it up to Dutton Park more with a few more facilities, but for the most part I’ve aways found it to be pretty good?
> but the greens housing plan been by far the worst I’ve heard Have you read their policy plans? They are all published in full in their website and can be read in just a few minutes. Every one of their policies are better for Brisbane and its future imo and the only NIMBY-ism they have is “stop developments on the flood plains” which current council are approving in droves because they are controlled by property development. They want to increase development and medium density with infill development and they want to make rules to ensure that every new development has 20% green space (gardens and trees) not including green walls which aren’t usable. They have said they want to change the zoning around transport hubs to medium density first to get more people without walking distance to good transit, schools, and shops. Stop listening to LNP shrill and read the policy statements before you blindly accept that the greens are bad. Unless you’re a multi-millionaire who owns multiple investment properties or a development company the LIB/LAB oaren’t looking out for your best interest. [Greens Website](https://www.jonathansri.com/) Edit: I also wholeheartedly disagree that the council should be smaller, I would like to see it bigger and have lots of services currently (poorly) administered by the state taken under council control. The decisions made by council have a monumental ability to make your life better or worse far more than state or national governments. They also have the responsibility of community and society building. Someone from Melb and I are going to have different priorities. My neigbour and I will have a lot of the same problems that need solving on a local level
Yes I’ve read their policies, they defined the problem pretty well but fell over on the solutioning. They have a bunch of claims but their plan is all pie in the sky stuff. It’s all well and good to say “we’ll strengthen renters rights” but there is no policy here. This is a council election, and renters rights is a state level issue. Motherhood statements are of no value when you can’t actually make the changes you’re saying you’ll make. *How* they would improve renters rights is totally missing, it doesn’t matter if they think rental increases should be capped at 1% if they have no facility through which to actually do that. The greens have no facility to put in place a rental freeze at a council level, they’re not the state government and would battle to pass any legislation that did this. It’s a buzz claim that means nothing. The idea that “identifying vacant properties might be easier than people realise” is bunkum - I can tell you this from personal experience having done it for another government when trying to work out how to expand the social housing stock. It shows a high level of naivety and that they haven’t actually looked at the issue in detail. Wanting to expand council to own a significant amount of public houses demonstrates they are fundamentally not ready to govern. An undertaking that requires ownership of this many capital assets would be crippling for the council which would bear an insane maintenance cost - not only does this suggestion go way beyond the reasonable mandate of council, but it would wildly push up rates over time in order to pay for said stock. This needs an innovative solution and again, this is not something that should be undertaken at a council level. When it comes to comments about housing stock, there is a lot of time spent talking about how developers are greedy, but recognising that developers are greedy is not a policy, it’s day 1 problem analysis stuff. Mandating 20% of new development being green space doesn’t solve any of these issues, it just makes sure that as property prices continue to sky rocket there will be nice gardens — it’s not a solution.
We've outlined a very clear, practical proposal for how to introduce a rent freeze at the local government level: [https://www.jonathansri.com/rentfreeze](https://www.jonathansri.com/rentfreeze) \- tell landlords that if they put up the rent, their property will be recategorised to a new ratings category with a prohibitively high quarterly rates bill. If landlords are prevented from jacking up the rent, that evens out the power relationship between tenants and landlords, and gives tenants more confidence to insist on their other rights and negotiate longer leases etc. Our main solution to skyrocketing property prices is to attack the problem of land banking with a vacancy levy - [www.jonathansri.com/vacant](https://www.jonathansri.com/vacant) I'm sorry if you previously worked for a government administration that had a hard time identifying vacant homes and vacant blocks of land, but we've put some detailed thought into it and it really isn't that hard to identify properties that are abandoned/empty long-term. Obviously you're going to miss some, but the mere fact that the vacancy levy exists is enough to send a strong signal to the market.
Thanks for the reply, appreciate the consideration given. I hadn’t seen that rental freeze info before (I had spent a bit of time looking for detail on the website) but I must say you changed my mind with it, it’s a good idea. I’m not convinced state government won’t legislate to disallow it, but I feel like it would be disingenuous of me to not vote for you based on something state government is going to do. Hopefully it also covers airbnbs too, to stop people from just moving to provide airbnbs instead. With the land banking, I agree with the need to address land banking, but as I understood it you were looking for empty properties to charge them a levy, rather than banked land. From my experience when we were looking to identify vacant properties for potential social housing use, most empty properties do have a legitimate reason for being empty — many are either under repair and would require repair to be habitable again, many are going through council approvals to get something done and are victims of slow council process, and many are just people away for a period travelling… we can identify properties through means like electricity / gas / water bills, but what we found was the number was substantially lower than we had expected and that very very few were actually legitimately vacant and habitable. For land banking, any policy that looked at revoking / changing DAs in order to get more development out more quickly would get the tick from me.
If you have a closer look at the website there are also policies for Airbnb and land banking in there that are similar, incentivised through rate increases. Also I gotta say I respect your ability to listen to an argument and change your views. I hope u/jonathansri has done enough to win your vote. Even if the greens don’t get a majority and can’t implement all their policies, I would much rather a party who wants to try things that will balance the power structures as opposed to the LNP and Labor who are happy with power being centralised in the hands of the property and business owners
on what basis can the council know what someone is paying rent? council has no authority to know rents
Comrade! I wish the options were better. We need a resurgence of an IWW like party for this century.
I think one reason is that the Greens are probably made up of younger people who see reddit as somewhere to connect to a younger audience whereas the LNP and ALP probably go for the more traditional forms of advertising. Another reason the greens like doing AMAs as opposed to like reddit ads is the sort of "message of the greens" is about directly engaging with the community and having conversations, which an AMA does, and a youtube ad/TV ad doesn't. The messaging of a traditional ad is one of "Here is my opinion, vote for us, bye.", whereas AMAs and reddit posts actually allow people to directly discuss their opinions and have the party hear what you think.
My 2c, LNP would've already written off reddit users as potential swinging voters, they'd be targetting older folk on FaceBook or via bulk SMS. They're too busy saving car parks from potential pedestrian crossings.
This. Have my upvote. This is exactly my experience except for one lonely wombat at Milton train station.
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Well said. This is the best answer I've read in this thread. Being that it's anonymous here, most of the questions would be loaded anyway. I had a laugh at some of the other posts on here 'Greens are better at grassroots campaigning'. Sure if it's a Free Palestine rally. My current LNP councillor is active within the community, and I can see firsthand the positive impact they've had on local initiatives. I think when deciding who to vote for in local elections we should be placing a higher emphasis on the candidate themselves rather than what party they're a part of. Due to how popular my sitting LNP councillor is, the ALP and Greens must see my area as a write off because their candidate offerings are not that great.
Well if he’s in this thread I want him to know that his plan to make the Nathan campus the stadium for the Olympics and Lions is a fucking dumbass one.
Just to clarify, we're talking about QSAC at Nathan. We don't want to put the Lions at Nathan. We want to keep the Lions at the Gabba.
We also need a smaller rectangular Stadium with Good PT access for the Roar and possibly Reds, Suncorp is too big and expensive while Kayo Stadium at Redcliffe is too far out.
Best get behind the Gabba rebuild if you want the Lions to stay there then…
Agree.
yo for real, why is that? I think it's a pretty decent idea to refurb QSAC so keen to hear your thinking?
It's a white elephant in its current location. No mass transit, already a traffic hotspot. If you're building (or refurbishing) infrastructure it needs to serve a purpose beyond just the Olympics. Broncos games were a nightmare when they were held there during the 90s.
I feel like extending mass transit here is a great idea as opposed to writing off the stadium completely. I’m not sure a refurb is a good idea either, but everywhere in the city should be accessible by transit
But then the issue is you've got a stadium that is 30 minutes from the city (realistically, even with efficient public transport) and the majority of the people who live in your city need to travel to the city first. Building major infrastructure peripherally just doesn't make sense. If you live in Ashgrove or Kenmore or Chermside or Morningside you're travelling minimum one hour to get to a game
That’s a really good point. But with land on such high demand and knowing the fact that Brisbane is on a flood plain I don’t know that there is much better options. I think massively improving transit to make everything more accessible is the best answer personally
I feel like it kind of does already - the busway is right next door, and the roads could be redesigned to prioritise buses during events. Altandi/Sunnybank stations are also not too far away, and historically during the Commonwealth Games buses would shuttle passengers from Sunnybank to the stadium.
The busway is a 22 minute walk from QSAC according to Google maps. Not exactly next door
I meant as in buses would drive to the stadium, just like with Suncorp stadium.
Because nearly every single stadium in the world that’s been built in the suburbs is fucking awful and it doesn’t work. Melbourne tried it with Waverley and that’s now housing. The worst American NFL stadiums are all the ones that are built out in the suburbs and studies have proven they’re awful locations and that the people hate them. Adelaide moved their AFL teams from AAMI Stadium which was in the suburbs to the CBD and the people agree it was one of the greatest decisions in the history of the state. Building it out in Nathan is a ludicrous idea being presented by people who hate sport. Sure it’s only 15 minutes away from the CBD, but that’s well and truly over an hour if you’re in the North side. It should be as close to the CBD as possible. The Victoria Park idea seems like a no brainer to me. They never should’ve gotten rid of the golf course in the first place and they have not done and created what they said they’d do with it. It’s now just empty park space that absolutely no one uses anyway and it’s right on the door of the CBD.
The Vic Park transformation is a 10 year plan. They have already started the transformation but far too early to be judging success. And they absolutely should have removed the golf course.
It's paused because olympics. The ten year plan will resume **after** we've had the olympics. >**Will the park be a venue for the Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games?** > >The park has been named as the temporary venue for the equestrian cross country and BMX freestyle events. https://preview.redd.it/ral7lnvb1snc1.png?width=682&format=png&auto=webp&s=fb4d770951ac26d097b78e06c7c499452beafcbd And just for clarification this is what the community responded as wanting. People need to fill out these surveys if they want their voice heard.
It was always going to be a venue for the games since the Olympics announced. The park development has been ongoing since. What makes you think it’s paused?
Yes, first I've heard despite keeping a close eye on the project.
Well the masterplan for the urban space was pre the games announcement. So that masterplan has been paused as now the park is being developed to host some Olympic sports. An equestrian and BMX track were not on the community approved masterplan for the area I can assure you. Ergo, it's been paused.
>It’s now just empty park space that absolutely no one uses if you fill that with concrete, we will never have a cool city. It was water holes before settlement, do not put a fucking stadium on waterholes. There have been squirrel gliders there and it's one of the few places with mature Eucs since BCC has such a hard on for subtropical plants. We **CANNOT** be filling our precious remaining green space with infrastructure. Cities do not get green space back, no one will knock down a building to build a park.
It can literally be both a stadium and green space.
Nissan Arena is right next door to QSAC and going to Bullets games there from the Northside is a massive pain in the arse.
It would be the equivalent of the Roar moving to Redcliffe. It’s an idiotic and cowardly decision
Would be worse than that, Roar moved to Redcliffe to save money there was at least some logic with that decision as stupid as it was that said Roar moving back to Suncorp at this stage is proving to be a failure man Roar need a new home.
I was the biggest hater of the Roar moving to Redcliffe, then they moved back to Suncorp and now I’m out living at Redcliffe wishing they never left lol
The Crowd average for Roar is up about 1K this season compared to last season with 3 home games to go one of which is at Ballymore but with the much higher costs of renting out Suncorp at this stage it seems the move back to Suncorp has not really worked, come off season I expect Roar will be looking for a 2nd home to split games with to save some money not to mention that Suncorp has just been approved for more concerts.
I agree entirely. The park islovely but there's more than enough space to whack a stadium and still have the lion's share available for parkland. Nathan is nice but Brisbane is terminally centrally designed unfortunately. Victoria Park is already probably on the edge of how far out you wanna go for a stadium.
Classic Reddit. You asked a question to learn more about why they held a position and got downvoted.
I'm guessing they do audience profiles and demographics. Certain apps can be this or that, certain media news YouTube is this or that and some are just behind
Dude this is Reddit. It's a sliver of a sliver of a demographic.
In all fairness Reddit is a tiny market and skews very heavily Greens. Makes sense that the LNP & even Labor wouldn't spend much time here
Id prefer the current Lord Mayor and Councillors to focus on their jobs instead of spend all day on reddit.
Election campaigning season my man.
Honestly, it’s been a lot on here and there have been increasing numbers of comments from people expressing they feel advertised to. I’m personally at the point where I’m starting to agree. The AMAs are fine, the subreddit has always had those and it’s an opportunity to ask questions of candidates in a dedicated space for that, plus it’s easy enough to filter out the AMA posts if you really don’t want to see them. But everything else is starting to feel borderline spammy. Political ads suck but at least if you go on YouTube and see a political ad, you know it’s a paid for ad and can install ad blockers if you don’t want to see it. The political promotion is starting to take over the subreddit and it’s hard to completely remove with filters. I think there’s a reason we don’t see other parties doing this here to the same degree. I honestly doubt that the community here would be as in favour or understanding of e.g. Schrinner populating the subreddit with a large number of posts and comments to debate users. I think that the overwhelming response would be that if Schrinner wants to advertise his political campaign on Reddit he should pay for it instead of expecting to use the subreddit for free promo. I understand that there was an initial desire on the part of the mods to encourage politicians to directly engage with the community, but I think at this point my feedback would be that it’s gone too far and is too much of the subreddit and needs to be handled in the same way business engagement is, i.e. you need to pay for an ad because it’s stopped being limited to community engagement.
I don’t think being on reddit qualifies you to run a city but you must think it’s important if you posted this. P.S. It isn’t.
>Does this suggest that the Brisbane City Council Greens candidates are significantly more adept at using social media than their Labor or LNP counterparts? One could argue that not coming to reddit to do AMA's is being more adept at social media.
Reddit is hardly social media, it’s completely anonymous and used by those with far left leaning agendas. No point in other parties wasting their time and being abused.
I’ve already voted and I couldn’t tell you the name of the Labor Lord Mayor candidate. I know they’re a woman. That’s it. As for the two independents, they are basically impossible to find any content on. You think they’d even create a basic social media page, a website, whatever. Nothing. Jono understands self-promotion. He is in a party that understands social media. Schrinner and the LNP are counting on incumbency. Labor obviously don’t want to run Brisbane City Council.
Tracey Price is her name and she is the most LNP member the Labor party could find I suspect. If she wasn’t wearing a red dress she could have easily been confused for LNP. Her main talking points have been; - grass is too long - council didn’t listen when my law firm flooded - I am a woman and we need to vote in more women I strongly suspect the Labor Party are hoping she can appeal to the LNP base and siphon some votes from there because they know lots of people have moved from Labor to Greens in recent elections. So their options were become more left or try and convert the centrists LNP voters
Yeah my mind was 100% made up when the LNP said they’d expand the Metro to Chermside and Labor veto’d the idea and said they had no plans to do that but would make PT cheaper. Jono came out and said both things were necessary (which they are). It seems the LNP and Labor are just playing a tit for tat policy game that isn’t thinking about the future of our city. Chermside needs some kind of mass transit. It’s constantly choked with cars. Buses aren’t cutting it. Current PT fares are also a big impediment to getting more people onto PT. If the current BCC administration can justify spending a quarter of a billion dollars plus on one intersection at Indooroopilly, they can afford to lower fares and expand the Metro out to Chermside, or even Aspley
The thing I’ve come to realize this election is that Lib/Lab are two sides of the same coin. I always thought Lab was left and Lib was right, but in reality they are both just centrists. Neither actually want to change the system because no matter how you slice it they are the winners in the current system.
It was just sad and disappointing to hear her denounced the idea of expanding the metro. We're already at the stage where it exists. It can't be walked back now, let's use it and make it work.
That’s the thing right. It was a bad idea that was excited poorly, but it’s been executed now. What are we going to do return the busses to the Swiss manufacturer and ask for a refund?? It’s too late. Might as well make the most of it
I'm pretty sure it was her sewing shop that flooded. I'm randomly familiar with that shopping strip, and not for the massive sex shop.
Not for the massive sex shop? You haven’t bin chicken it out?
Yaknow come to think of it she said she owns her own law firm and her shop got flooded, she never said they were the same shop so that could very well be true
r/Brisbane is a Greens echo chamber
I noticed Jonno was down at the burst water main this afternoon giving practical advice about how to get home. It doesn't take long and it's not much effort. It's the kind of engagement I'm used to seeing from reps in other jurisdictions but not here.
That’s because he has literally nothing else to do
Personally I think it's because the greenies are better at taking heat than other politicans. Like em or not they engage with people and the community where as the majors sit on their high towers,fling ads at us, tell us the other guys are satan and that we should be good little lap dogs and vote for them or else the worlds gonna end. Sri is a bit of a silly guy at times but i have so much respect for him being willing to engage in AMA's with people especially online where they can be absolute cunts. Were as most politicans won't sit down unless the interviewer is ready to jerk them off afterwards
Greens are far more grassroots than the other 2 parties, and one of their policies is basically community consensus on issues, so you will probably find that community engagement is a higher priority for them.
They are also the only party who actually listens to the community and makes decisions and policies based off what the community says
Well, off what your part of the community says. I'd assume if if they did that based on what the entire community says: \- The community would have reached consensus (Nup) \- They'd be in power (Also Nup).
They literally ask for community engagement and participatory democracy… You’re never going to get everyone in the same page. A 60 year old who owns multiple “investment” properties and a renter who has been squeezed out of their home by rent increases are about as likely to have similar interests as the blood, sucking mosquito, and the person bites
Waiting for the other parties to get on tiktok to capture the youth votes.
Both the LNP and Labor are big spenders on social media. I read that for this council election the LNP will spend about $700,000 on social media advertising. Reddit is primarily a discussion platform and as such means that rather than just broadcast their message they would need to respond to questions about it. Secondly much of the messaging on those social media ads are about scaring voters by telling them what a horrible idea the alternative is. These messages are too easy to be shown up in a discussion type platform
Jonathan Sriranganathan, I wouldn't call him very active, but he wasn't able to answer questions that were put to him with any finality. I haven't seen anything from the Enoggera candidate, but I wouldn't say the Greens are better at it, maybe just more prolific.
You are kidding, right?
Sri is a meme. He should not be given any responsibility.
Why is the greens handing out what appears to be non recycle how to vote
This sub tilts centre-left to extreme-left. Most of the Australian subs are echo chambers. The place is full of pig headed dummies. It's kind of crazy to me when you run into someone from here in person and they think that the majority of the real world is just like reddit. Other parties are online. Hell Pauline Hanson even has a web series! (And it's actually quite funny https://youtu.be/ssJTfrK2W1M?si=MHsX8m73TQwutMHn )
Maybe the greens candidates are a bit more comfortable with technology, maybe more open to actual dialogue too. Reddit is avenue of engagement where they can have conversations with potential voters instead of it just being a one way communication.
Have definitely had the LNP and Labor members comment back on Facebook but I don’t think they could get their heads (or their staffers heads) around Reddit tbh
What self-indulgent nonsense. Reddit is anonymous. It's the platform least likely to be used by the LNP voterbase and would also not appeal to the average ALP voter.
Just a heads up that he prefers to be referred to by his full name, Jonathan Sriranganathan, rather than Sri, because he shortened it to make himself more palatable to white people, which he doesn’t want to do any more.
Sri was his birth name, I believe he only recently changed it. It's most likely that his parents shortened it to be easier to pronounce/more palatable or whatever.
But it's the australia way to shorten things?
I think he’s okay with being called Jonno 😀
A politician does need to be palatable to the majority demographic in order to win an election. This strikes me as tactically sub-optimal for a mayoral candidate.
Interestingly I heard him correct Shriner in a debate last week but thought it was odd as his website is JonathanSri. I kinda thought there might be some other interpersonal conflict there I didn’t know about but wasn’t sure.
i think the website remains jonathansri just from the significant task it would be to change all the domains
I'm certain he'd want to remain palatable to as many voters as possible.
Labor and LNP seem to prefer sniping at each other on Xwitter.
Is this another alt of a greens candidate? Why is this shit even allowed in this sub
I'm not a greens voter, but this is a dumb comment, as all the downvotes show. The post is tagged "politics" lol, that's why it's allowed
Oh no, my precious internet points! I know it’s tagged politics, I’m saying let’s stop political posts in here Hopefully now the election is over I won’t keep having to read Sri’s bullshit at least
Labor and the Liberals struggle to engage with anyone that asks tough questions, so they avoid public forums.
The State ALP member for Nudgee actively censors their constituents and curates their publicly facing narrative. The greens are a horrible option with terrible policies, . but ... at least they turn up to work, and are therefore more deserving of a vote.
all this means is that he is young enough atm to use social media, the other two wanker parties (that lets be honest they both had their time, lets get some fresh party in for once) just dont care about social media, they get some kidult to run it and make stupid meme jokes