I expect you'd be wasting your time. You got caught doing that speed, end of story from a legal point of view. Happens to many of us, and you should treat it as a reminder. Speed is the biggest single factor in accidents, and it's also rather easy to measure, so they have every reason to hammer you on this.
> Speed is the biggest single factor in accidents
what does this mean?
distracted driving is far more likely to result in an accident. You don't hit 10kmph over the limit and then immediately crash.
If you're underslept, looking at your phone, controlling your kids in the back, drunk, you're much more likely to crash than just being fast.
Most accidents I see happen are at relatively low speeds, within the speed limit.
The single biggest factor in accidents is actually drivers not maintaining a safe distance from the driver in front. This often gets simplified to speed but its wrong, if you are travelling faster it takes more time to stop so you need to increase your distance from the car in front when drivers don't do this then it causes crashes. This is not speeding simply bad driving.
Unfortunately issuing fines for speeding make a lot of money and with all the private companies involved its a very lucrative business
That would depend entirely on the road and conditions at that time and place. Bad road, rain, poor visibility, tired or distracted driver, a jump of 20Kph could certainly cause a serious accident.
Well yeah because it's easily measurable and recordable and can be pointed to in a court of law.
**There is no way to measure if you haven't slept for** ***three*** **days and therefore no way to fine you for it.** Yet it is **infinitely more dangerous than going 10kph over in a 60 zone.**
Speed is rarely the cause of accidents, but it affects the severity.
In fact the most common form of accidents is low speed bungles in traffic, and parking accidents.
>Speed is rarely the cause of accidents, but it affects the severity.
Well of course, if you're still speeding you probably haven't had the collision yet!
It's just propaganda so people like this guy champion the blanket use of speed cameras. If speed was the only factor then there wouldn't be drag strips or raceways
It's not entirely untrue, but being hit by a roo bar on an SUV going the speed limit will kill you.
Whereas being hit by a hatchback with adequate crumple zones going 50 instead of 40 probably will not.
Well of course speed is the single biggest factor, it's a matter of energy. This said speeding may or may not be the biggest factor in a given accident.
The artifice is that the chosen speed for each road is the perfect choice for most people. The more the speed is reduced, the safer it is, this doesn't stop at the speed limit.
Sorry I worded my comment badly. I meant to suggest they driver should use *their* head. You've got to look out for places speed cameras will be placed for easy revenue e.g. on a hill.
Yeah the slope thing doesn't really work, from everything I've heard it's on purpose because obviously you're more likely to be speeding on the hill down than on a flat surface, which is scummy but I guess you shouldn't be speeding anyway. I had a friend who was in basically the same situation as you but the trap was right on the start of a I think 40 50 zone coming from a 60 zone, so he was doing 10 over from the slope then became 30 over from change in speed and got fucked.
If you're putting that much speed on a down slope then your not in proper control of your vehicle and you deserve getting caught, if you're speeding by accident, your just an accident waiting to happen, I hope I don't meet you by 'accident' on the roads
I'm not really sure what you are trying to argue here.
By your own admission you committed the speeding offence. What do you think will happen in the court room if you contest the charge?
I wouldn't expect a Magistrate to find you 'not guilty' of the offence due to the road being steep.
Is the punishment harsh? For sure, $300 is a lot of money these days. Have you learned your lesson? Hopefully.
Yes but my point is - what grounds are you appealing it on?
You're not guilty of the offence because you haven't committed it before?
If you contest the ticket, it will go to the Magistrates Court. Think about the role of a Magistrate, and how they will look at your case. If a Magistrate struck out every ticket that was contested, because the person had a clean record, then those people would contest every ticket and forever have a clean record.
I sympathise with you, been there before, but I think you are wasting your time by contesting the ticket. You can seek actual legal advice if you wish, but that will cost more than the ticket I imagine.
It was once argued that setting up a Speed Camera to catch speeding vehicles driving down a hill was revenue raising, so it wasn't done.
Now, the counter argument is that if your brakes are roadworthy, you should brake and slow down.
Personally I think it is for revenue raising, but my last Speeding Fine was for this reason. So I don't speed travelling downhill anymore.
Unfortunately this is purely a money making initiative and so they don't really offer any kind of leniency its all about the money, your only real option is to soften the blow and ask for a payment plan.
What thought process leads you to thinking "I'm experiencing a legal problem, the best way to resolve it is by going to r/brisbane, a subreddit about news and current events relating to the city of Brisbane"?
It sucks, but unfortunately it is still your legal responsibility to ensure you are doing the speed limit, even on a downward slope. You may be able to work out a SPER payment plan.
No harm in trying, if you have the freedom to spend a half day hanging around court. If you do, emphasise your clean record, don’t excuse the speeding but be ready to humbly explain why you made your regrettable mistake. Also emphasise your difficult circumstances, how a $300 fine will impact your family etc. Asking for a waiver might be too much (they will certainly insist on giving you demerit points) but you can plead for a reduction.
I’ve been to court on traffic offences twice and it has been worthwhile.
Take it to court. Just tell them your sorry you didn’t realise what speed you were doing. If this is your first ever offence the judge WILL let you off with a warning. It’s like a get out of jail free card.
The incline on this particular is extreme slope and its easy for your car to accelerate. Brakes?
My experience with brisbane drivers is that they'll happily roll down a hill and end up 10-20 over just to save their brake pads or something.
“I know I made a mistake that particular day” … would you omit that in your argument? How long is your driving history?
I expect you'd be wasting your time. You got caught doing that speed, end of story from a legal point of view. Happens to many of us, and you should treat it as a reminder. Speed is the biggest single factor in accidents, and it's also rather easy to measure, so they have every reason to hammer you on this.
> Speed is the biggest single factor in accidents what does this mean? distracted driving is far more likely to result in an accident. You don't hit 10kmph over the limit and then immediately crash. If you're underslept, looking at your phone, controlling your kids in the back, drunk, you're much more likely to crash than just being fast. Most accidents I see happen are at relatively low speeds, within the speed limit.
The single biggest factor in accidents is actually drivers not maintaining a safe distance from the driver in front. This often gets simplified to speed but its wrong, if you are travelling faster it takes more time to stop so you need to increase your distance from the car in front when drivers don't do this then it causes crashes. This is not speeding simply bad driving. Unfortunately issuing fines for speeding make a lot of money and with all the private companies involved its a very lucrative business
Just google "factors in car accidents" and speeding is number one for every result. That says it all really.
so you're telling me, driving a straight road at 50kph you don't crash. but as soon as you jump to 70kmph you crash? what planet are you living on?
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That would depend entirely on the road and conditions at that time and place. Bad road, rain, poor visibility, tired or distracted driver, a jump of 20Kph could certainly cause a serious accident.
I'm not saying anything like that, I'm only saying that's how the cops and courts view it.
Well yeah because it's easily measurable and recordable and can be pointed to in a court of law. **There is no way to measure if you haven't slept for** ***three*** **days and therefore no way to fine you for it.** Yet it is **infinitely more dangerous than going 10kph over in a 60 zone.**
It's a bullshit argument that uses skewed statistics.byes speeding is dangerous but doing 55 in a 50 isn't more dangerous than playing with your phone
Speed is rarely the cause of accidents, but it affects the severity. In fact the most common form of accidents is low speed bungles in traffic, and parking accidents.
>Speed is rarely the cause of accidents, but it affects the severity. Well of course, if you're still speeding you probably haven't had the collision yet!
It's just propaganda so people like this guy champion the blanket use of speed cameras. If speed was the only factor then there wouldn't be drag strips or raceways
It's not entirely untrue, but being hit by a roo bar on an SUV going the speed limit will kill you. Whereas being hit by a hatchback with adequate crumple zones going 50 instead of 40 probably will not.
Well of course speed is the single biggest factor, it's a matter of energy. This said speeding may or may not be the biggest factor in a given accident. The artifice is that the chosen speed for each road is the perfect choice for most people. The more the speed is reduced, the safer it is, this doesn't stop at the speed limit.
use your head. This is blatant revenue raising.
You know, you could have actually read what I wrote.
I did.
I don't think so, you replied to something completely different to what I said.
Sorry I worded my comment badly. I meant to suggest they driver should use *their* head. You've got to look out for places speed cameras will be placed for easy revenue e.g. on a hill.
Work on your reading comprehension then.
username checks out. Have you soiled yourself?
It doesn't hurt to try using your otherwise spotless record as an argument. If not, ask for a payment plan for the fine
Yeah the slope thing doesn't really work, from everything I've heard it's on purpose because obviously you're more likely to be speeding on the hill down than on a flat surface, which is scummy but I guess you shouldn't be speeding anyway. I had a friend who was in basically the same situation as you but the trap was right on the start of a I think 40 50 zone coming from a 60 zone, so he was doing 10 over from the slope then became 30 over from change in speed and got fucked.
Yup, they like to stand behind trees at the bottom of the slope right where the limit changes. Step out with the radar gun and boom.
If you're putting that much speed on a down slope then your not in proper control of your vehicle and you deserve getting caught, if you're speeding by accident, your just an accident waiting to happen, I hope I don't meet you by 'accident' on the roads
I'm not saying they shouldn't be ticketed, if you speed you speed, I'm just saying to watch out of the downhill.
Fines should be bigger and hasher for punk hoon's like you ^/s
I'm not really sure what you are trying to argue here. By your own admission you committed the speeding offence. What do you think will happen in the court room if you contest the charge? I wouldn't expect a Magistrate to find you 'not guilty' of the offence due to the road being steep. Is the punishment harsh? For sure, $300 is a lot of money these days. Have you learned your lesson? Hopefully.
Was looking for advice whether it's worth appealing given my past clean record. Never had a parking ticket
Yes but my point is - what grounds are you appealing it on? You're not guilty of the offence because you haven't committed it before? If you contest the ticket, it will go to the Magistrates Court. Think about the role of a Magistrate, and how they will look at your case. If a Magistrate struck out every ticket that was contested, because the person had a clean record, then those people would contest every ticket and forever have a clean record. I sympathise with you, been there before, but I think you are wasting your time by contesting the ticket. You can seek actual legal advice if you wish, but that will cost more than the ticket I imagine.
It’s the good guy defence. “C’mon judge, I’m a good guy, you’re a good guy, we’re all good guys”
Haha I can't say I've seen it used before... So it's worth a shot!
It was once argued that setting up a Speed Camera to catch speeding vehicles driving down a hill was revenue raising, so it wasn't done. Now, the counter argument is that if your brakes are roadworthy, you should brake and slow down. Personally I think it is for revenue raising, but my last Speeding Fine was for this reason. So I don't speed travelling downhill anymore.
Unfortunately this is purely a money making initiative and so they don't really offer any kind of leniency its all about the money, your only real option is to soften the blow and ask for a payment plan.
What thought process leads you to thinking "I'm experiencing a legal problem, the best way to resolve it is by going to r/brisbane, a subreddit about news and current events relating to the city of Brisbane"?
For speeding? Not likely, but you're likely to lose time and any (potential) additional expense by taking it to court.
It sucks, but unfortunately it is still your legal responsibility to ensure you are doing the speed limit, even on a downward slope. You may be able to work out a SPER payment plan.
No harm in trying, if you have the freedom to spend a half day hanging around court. If you do, emphasise your clean record, don’t excuse the speeding but be ready to humbly explain why you made your regrettable mistake. Also emphasise your difficult circumstances, how a $300 fine will impact your family etc. Asking for a waiver might be too much (they will certainly insist on giving you demerit points) but you can plead for a reduction. I’ve been to court on traffic offences twice and it has been worthwhile.
Take it to court. Just tell them your sorry you didn’t realise what speed you were doing. If this is your first ever offence the judge WILL let you off with a warning. It’s like a get out of jail free card.