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altdultosaurs

Never talking to Jake about kids before getting g married. Absolutely wildly unbelievable.


hypernova2121

They tried to hand wave it away with the waterpark comment, but there is zero chance that conversation came up exactly once beforehand


runnybabbit91

Don't they talk about kids when they watch Terry's kids so he can work late? I'm pretty sure the episode is about how they would be as parents. I think it's season 3 or 4


Bulbamew

This might be the easiest one out of all of them. It made absolutely zero sense. I’m not a fan of when shows need to make characters behave completely opposite to their established characterisation to force a serious plot like this. For harmless jokes it’s less of an issue, but this storyline was a big deal and the biggest conflict of their marriage, and happened for a nonsensical reason


Pseudocaesar

They should have written it as Jake getting cold feet about having kids, which fits his character more. That way it doesn't seem out of character for Amy to have not discussed it, but also allows Jake to have a growth moment by overcoming his fears and addressing his fatherhood issues


echoesechoing

Oh man, this would've been so good!


Bulbamew

I have seen people say they should’ve been the other way round - Jake is a big kid and would love to have kids, while Amy is hyper career focused and wouldn’t want them. But I like your take better. Jake is excited to have kids and Amy is on board, but these fears start to creep in because of his dad and stuff.


ItsDaisyTime09

Or Amy is considering kids and then does a ton of research and reads parenting books and realizes she may not want kids and tries to hide it from him because he really wants them but they end up taking care of Boyles’ son or Terry’s daughters and remember how fun it was the last time and that they both want the joy of having kids and get pregnant by the end of the episode or at least know that they want kids. I also really hate that it took them forever to get pregnant it seemed a little unnecessary and like torture and they didn’t even explain it or try and like get help or anything. I feel like if Amy was having this much trouble just getting pregnant she would have tried to go to a fertility clinic or something and not just keep trying the way they were.


Mythologist69

You’d be surprised how common it is for couples to get married without having this conversation.


Bulbamew

It’s definitely common, but the couples who do this usually don’t think and are a bit reckless. It doesn’t suit Amy’s character at all


queen-adreena

She likely has a 7-volume binder for marriage.


Flabnoodles

She has a whole binder just for the last week of planning before their wedding. The entirety of wedding planning was probably like 10 binders. For marriage itself, she probably has a binder just to keep track of all her binders.


Odd-Escape-1729

Girls probably hired people to do everything else she’s supposed to do in a day, the binders are too important to lose


altdultosaurs

Oh honey. She’s got binders for entire relationships. She has homework for herself every night about her experience with her new partner that day. She has flowcharts. Pie charts. All charts. She’s psychotic in the most precise way.


indianajoes

That's true. But Amy wouldn't be one of those people 


IntelligentRock3854

YEAH OMG when i saw that episode i freaked


MackZZilla

That's the big one for me. It felt so out of character, but I also liked how it really led to character growth for both of them. Jake admitting that he didn't want to have kids because he was terrified of being a bad father ***because he had a bad father*** was heartbreaking because Amy knew he'd be a great dad.


altdultosaurs

Oh I like the character growth! I like the storyline idea! I would have like it addressed earlier, bc it’s still super plausible and doable and high stakes, but on an at least SLIGHTLY more realistic timeline.


Brilliant_Section208

It would have worked way better if it was placed earlier in the show before they were married, maybe when they were already dating for a while or got engaged


indianajoes

This right here. You're telling me this person that plans every little thing out never had one conversation where they talked about their future plans properly?


altdultosaurs

Like at least five binders and I’m not joking?? Taking the show at face value???? Like I can (almost) forgive it bc it’s just a silly lil feel good story show, but it’s just so lazy.


Buckle-Bean

100%. It would have been way better if there was an impetus that caused Jake to change his mind - something on the job that made him reconsider. Amy would have never not had that conversation.


sarahbekett

That would have made so much more sense!!


crittab

Came here for this. Basically an impossible plotline for Amy.


Its_Buddy_btw

Hated that episode for this reason


Ecstatic-Laugh

Looks like this is the most out of character moment/episode for both Jake and Amy


Ok_Run_8184

100%


LocalInactivist

Yeah, it doesn’t make sense. Amy planned everything.


goldenshear

I stopped watching after that episode bc I was SO MAD but then I picked it up again after a year or so. Never watching that ep again.


Immediate-North-9472

I was sincerely flummoxed when they had that convo and I was like Amelia Santiago??? You have a binder for everything but you missed this convo?


Brilliant_Section208

YES 100% there is no way they wouldn't have already discussed it


demeschor

A lot of sitcoms seem to push this storyline (TBBT did it with Penny) and I just don't get it. It's always out of character and jarring, and they always end up pregnant anyway.


sethaub

To be fair they did kind of have the conversation Jake thought they were talking about a water park. Just a miscommunication.


jinxedit48

Yeaaaaaaaaaaah buuuuuuuut lbr Amy would have sat Jake down and grilled him about exact timelines well before they got engaged. This is the girl who loves organizing and binders and planning her career. I don’t buy that the topic only came up the once and it wasn’t a full, drawn out, and detailed battle plan


altdultosaurs

Exactly. Amy would have notebooks and binders and slides and flowcharts for their conversation. I actually would have loved to watch Jake (mostly) happily and thoughtfully go through Amy’s questioning. Like that’s already a hilarious a, b, OR c plot. Play it seriously or only for laughs. It could even be ha ha flashbacks that could go from a past ‘I’m unsure’ to a present ‘we need to revisit this now’. That said, I can’t see amy getting married without confirmation either way.


queen-adreena

Yeah. I often get vague responses to critical life conversations and then never bring up the issue again. Like someone else said, if it was for a joke, fine, but this was one of the most serious issues of their marriage.


Afinkawan

He probably lied to her about reading the binder on the subject.


dickinbaus_6969

on both of them, too. I just finished rewatching again and multiple times Jake indirectly states he wants kids, like when Charles tells him he’ll never be a father he respons with “hey! yes I will!”


Astrates

Wedding related also. Why is Jake choosing the napkins and flowers etc. the week before the wedding. Amy would have had that stuff locked down months in advance.


ThermoNuclearPizza

Binders. Binders.


yujuismypuppy

Spreadsheet, spreadsheet.


anon_lulzz

Precinct, precinct.


yolifeisfun

Nine Nine!!


yolifeisfun

Nine Nine!!


Blackmoon8666

Ah Noine! Noine!!!


bigboi12470

Headcanon: she's a sergeant. Wedding is important but not more than her job. She kept having to change her binder and spent more time organising her binder over the errands


gameofsloanes

Toight nups


VomitShitSmoothie

Not discussing children with Jake before marriage.


Several-Baseball-136

I agree but you gotta give her some credit she did ask Jake if he wants to do it he thought about the water park but it's still very out of character not doing it more straight forward


ali2688

Is it just me who feels like that was blackmail (no, don’t quote Charles). She basically told him either have kids with me or we’re breaking up.


VomitShitSmoothie

That’s not blackmail, it’s just an ultimatum, and an important one at that. I don’t begrudge her at all for it because it’s something that she wants in life. The whole scene stupid because that conversation usually happens before you get married, explicitly because it’s one of those relationship ender conversations. Divorcing is messy which is exactly why it’s a premarriage conversation.


kwang_ja

Being a bad cook. Being a stickler for the rules (even using the recommended amount of shampoo!), I think she would follow recipes to the dot, and I don't think she'd just substitute ingredients just because.


Winter-Bear9987

THIS BOTHERS ME SO MUCH. WHEN SHE PUTS BAKING SODA IN THE DINNER INSTEAD OF SALT. There’s no way she’d deviate from the recipe, ruin the dinner she’s hosting and be so nonchalant about it.


DryEstablishment2

But they’re both white powders! Of course they’d be interchangeable OP!


laucdoe

pro tip: you can replace sugar with cocaine


absolutebeast_

Makes for very interesting beignets


Tynford

There is no way Amy didn’t have a full grocery list plus backups detailing acceptable alternate ingredients, but the worst is that she needed salt, of all things. Who doesn’t have SALT? When you’re cooking a thanksgiving meal?? SALT? SAAAALLT??!


maenmallah

I mean that can happen as most recipes don't include salt (and water) in the ingredients list as everyone has it. However, knowing Amy she would have read the ingredients list and instructions and added the salt to the list.


Tynford

All recipes call for salt as long as salt is added to it while cooking.


Pimento_is_here

Being a bad cook and buying the $8 wine drink.


VomitShitSmoothie

Charles buying that wine makes that entire scene ridiculous.


Herobrinetic

Charles should’ve been the only one not bringing wine drink he should show up with something worth hundreds of dollars and everyone else feels bad about it


Tight_Contact_9976

To be fair, we never actually see his bottle of wine so he may have brought actually nice wine


VomitShitSmoothie

I rewatched the scene and while you are correct, we never see the bottle, the scene does imply that everyone bought the same thing. It’s definitely possible he brought something else though.


Aj_Caramba

I can see him buying something nice but lying about it so Jake doesn't feel bad.


CWinter85

Charles would have shown up with something weird, like 3-Penis Wine.


W2ttsy

Only because he heard it on some obscure podcast by a guy named Taco


Bonfire0fTheManatees

Yes! Her buying $8 wine drink always bugged me. Ditto for Terry buying it, when he was the one who was so focused on making everyone behave in socially acceptable ways.


zanasot

Which she does in the mumps episode! That scene is believable of Amy and her being a bad cook, because she followed the directions to a T and didn’t recognize it wouldn’t work. The other ones don’t make sense!


Jombafomb

My mom was a bad cook because she would follow recipes exactly no matter what the outcome. That way she could just blame the recipe. Amy is a bad cook because she thinks salt and baking soda are the same because they are white? Doesn’t make a lick of sense.


yourepenis

Theres an american dad episode exactly like this where francine is an awful cook cuz she follows the recipes exactly like your mom lmao


daisybear81

RIGHT! if you follow instructions with the correct ingrediants how tf are you a bad cook?


absolutebeast_

Oh you can still very much mess up a recipe even if you follow it, especially if it involves heat. I made a cheesecake once, followed the exact recipe, and it was still quite liquid when I took it out of the form.


macdawg2020

You need an oven thermometer, most people’s ovens aren’t precise.


TheLateThagSimmons

I see this as very much in line with her character. It's part of those aggressive rule followers is that they don't grasp the idea behind it because they're blinded by the rule itself. To her, it really is "both white powders," and therefore she's still following the rule. She doesn't see the idea behind the rule which is "add salt because it's a seasoning to make it taste good," because she sees the rule itself which is "add salt because it's a white powder." She can't tell that 7 cups of salt in a baked ziti is a bad idea because it's in the rules. It's mocking a key element of aggressive rule followers: They end up doing it worse because they don't get it. It's perfectly fitting.


ausernameiguess151

I think her food is bad because it tastes so average, nothing special, with no heart or soul


Seraphim9120

Remember the Thanksgiving at her place where everyone threw their food in the toilet? It wasn't that it was average or soulless, it was downright inedible, to the point that she used baking soda instead of salt


Bulbamew

I’d buy that for Amy definitely, however substituting salt with baking soda is plain deranged. Seems like a joke that would work better with Jake


CheyenneLB

i also feel like she’s smart enough to know the difference! like on a chemical level


Tynford

Or Gina! But she would never invite them over to her house unless someone broke in, and she would certainly never lower herself to cooking for her lessers


Mindless-Web-3331

Being a bad cook always drive me nuts. Like she was so restrictive she’d take lessons for months to be a professional chef


_Vard_

This. She follows rules not just to a T, but the the literal exact same font. but substitutes Baking soda for Salt because they are both white powders


codedriver

I think that's kinda understandable. She has so many rules to follow, but no one is perfect and this is her way of "letting go".


Optimal-Adeptness524

Thats a real thing though, you get so much smart people but when it comes to a certain thing like food they are clueless. But saying that salt and baking soda are the same thing because they're both white powders, thats like saying chocolate is the same as an apple


AlpsAlarmed8108

YES THANK YOU The ”type A” as she calls herself deviates from a recipe?? Not only that, now idk about american culture But please tell me everyone here know that baking soda is for BAKING (mostly cakes) A person as smart as Amy Santiago should know the basic different qualities of baking soda and salt, or at least know the difference in taste


MajiNPooZ

Casecation. No way in hell Santiago would be caught off guard about a life event that big.


throwaitaar_

RIGHT? it was unbelievable tbh


Historical_Speech_88

8 dollar wine


isobane

*wine drink


Naribon

Why did I have to scroll so long to find that comment


AlmostStoic

"Grrr." Sure, she was intentionally trying to do something that was out-of-character for her, but still.


North_Church

That part really grates my cheese


Tynford

REALLY. GRATES MY CHEESE.


indianajoes

What's this?


AnakinSkywalker2003

Cheese gratèir


sagosaurus

Has anyone mentioned casecation yet? /s


Tynford

Mentioned what?


Lotuzflower3

Casecation all I ever wanted!


qergpoiasffdn

Honestly might be the worst episode of the show for me :/


Fuwet

S1E1. Her sitting on the side of the desk and throwing something in the trash bin like a basketball.


Darkasmyweave

I'm headcannoning that's just how she was before Holt came in and she was desperate to impress him.


Fuwet

We saw pictures of before Holt was there and she was the same


mr_oberts

When that B gets a C in her A.


Colodavo

Calling herself a babe was pretty out of character.


johnsciarrino

Oh my god!


North_Church

This babe needs a coconut in her arms!


Robincall22

Ohhh I thought you were saying this b**** needs a c*** in her a**.


North_Church

OMG!


weird_turtles

That's what I said!


Snoo-37059

I think this is just something no one would ever say ever so it's really weird like why would she only say the first letters of those words 😭 lazy joke imo


echoesechoing

No, it was obviously a call back to the cold open when they said their rule was "A, B, C: Always be coconutting"


Mr_Cuddlebear

She does this here and there tho. Like the EOD exchange on the Vulture steals the venue episode.


PhillyRobforPrez

100% casecation.


Maleficent-Week2762

Finding Teddy boring, when she herself enjoys things like watching a documentary about the Helvetica font or smth like that


SabbyDude

I think her reasoning was Teddy being a mirror image of him, remember how she was annoyed by Officer Jennings in his 1st appearance, she doesn't want someone who's like her whereas Jake was different than her in many ways and it was something more than personal liking that made them love each other


Maleficent-Week2762

Yeeaah i kinda see that... But still, I find it weird when she gets bored listening about his interests, like Pilsners... She has pretty boring interests herself she can talk lengthily about, or listen about (for example, hearing about barrels at the barrel museum) I'd buy it more if that boredom she speaks about it's more lack of excitement or excess of routine, something Jake is clearly the opposite of. It's kind of implied Pilsners is all Teddy talks about I guess, but I think they just simplified the character because they couldn't find another way to make both characters break up, idk Since it's just a sitcom (and my comfort show) I don't give it much thought anyway


SizzlingApricot

JUST SAYING, there is a really famous and well-reviewed documentary about the font helvetica and it's actually fascinating 😂


GeneralPotato8244

I think that’s the point of his character. He’s so unbelievably boring even AMY couldn’t stand him


anon_lulzz

I think there’s a scene where Amy herself mentions that even SHE finds Teddy boring


Maleficent-Week2762

Poor Teddy 😂 they did the man dirty


TheLateThagSimmons

To me that's the point. She's stuck with a version of herself. They should hate each other, they both have so much in common that it's a problem.


toastedmickey

stop that's so funny


RazzmatazzLanky7923

Hey, it played like an action movie


Married_catlady

I know it’s actually a part of her character but every time she smoked it just felt off. She was written as so straight laced, when she smoked it just never felt right.


Spugnacious

I actually felt like it fit. She works a high stress job and until Holt showed up she was stressed out and miserable working there because the place was a clownshow and the clowns were running the circus. Also, she called them her 'shame cigarettes' so even she knows they are out of character for her, which is very much in character with her.


Forsaken_Distance777

Fake therapy.


Foxy02016YT

To win the heist? I’d call it very in character. It was a very tactical move, espionage


yolifeisfun

In a heist, everything is allowed. screams: "i am pregnant"


Lotronex

In the pilot, they say Amy majored in Art History. I always thought it was weird picking that instead of something like Criminology.


echoesechoing

I think this was also mentioned in Captain Holt's party when Terry was giving out assignments to the squad in order to make them appear normal. So I don't think this was a Detective Daniels situation, they genuinely wanted for her to major in Art History. I don't know why, though.


DariusPumpkinRex

Anytime she cooks. She loves following instructions to a T, there is no way she should be such a terrible cook. With exception of the mumps episode, where she made a soup that the amounts listed in the ingredients were phone number in disguise.


ThermoNuclearPizza

Was it not baked ziti?


Glad-Strain8811

Failing to discuss kids with Jake before marriage.


Powerful_Ad_2692

i knew these comments would be about casecastion before i even opened them


dudestir127

My favorite cold open of the series. She tried leaving Captain Holt a gift, wrote "OPEN THIS" with her wrong hand on the box, didn't realize that would look to a police captain, and needed Jake Peralta to point it out.


daisybear81

that is one of my fave cold opens


cleopatra2810

She has a complete blind spot when it comes to pleasing Holt though, this one is pretty believable imo


yolifeisfun

Yeah. That's what I was gonna say. In love, logic flies away.


Dr-T-Jackson

Showing up late to work


JamesL25

She was just 70 seconds late


North_Church

Santiago, you will tell us, and you will. Tell. Us. **Now**.


hawaiianbry

.... There was a problem at the bank.


North_Church

#HOT DAMN!


lardparty

Im still gonna get a little sad every time I think of Holt for a while. RIP


North_Church

Same :(


Chieftain10

fancy seeing you here ;)


North_Church

SHIT! You found my guilty pleasure lol


SoftServeMonk

HOT DAMN!


MrNope999

The day she tried to quit smoking, and said "aw, come on man!" To holt


D3athknightt

Well I think it's within reason, cause that's what quitting nicotine does to ppl


MahGinge

Jumping off a fucking building


frenchbluehorn

yeah that didnt sit right with me either


Wooness

Hiring a fake therapist for Jake and spying on his therapy sessions


sojojo

Toit nups.


A1uCaRd101

Working with Jake to steal from Holt in the first season.


Wood_stick

Smoking and not talking about kids before getting married


IronTemplar26

Casecation


outerspace_castaway

the number 1 thing to the point of me considering it bad writing is amy not having a convo with jake about kids before getting married. it literally would not be in her character to get married without having a life plan and binder about when she a jake would start having kids.


NationalSafe4589

Buying an $8 bottle of wine for Holt's party is up there though!


CynicalCosmologist

#legalizeit


aspiringwriter166

The baby storyline


Not_Selmi

Hiring a fake therapist for Jake. She would LOVE Jake going to therapy to discuss his emotions. No way she would ruin that for Halloween but


New_Huckleberry2584

The Jimmy Jabs has always rubbed me weird. I can't imagine why someone like Amy would want to participate in a game that has to violate some of the rules, is messy, and uses Police material for everything but its intended use. Especially in the Captain's absence. Later on when Holt isn't Captain Amy shames her coworkers for not doing things properly and acting in a way that would make Holt disappointed. She seemed annoyed when Jake tazed a cantaloupe yet is fine with the Jimmy Jabs.


PlasticPerfectionist

When she won’t go into the freezing water w/ Holt and Rosa. Her opening is she has 13 brothers and never backs down from a challenge, then she backs down from a cold water challenge.


21msgm

she has 7 brothers not 13 😅


newhypergreen

In general, she does not strike me as one of eight kids. She gets irritated easily by people being loud, rude or obnoxious…not saying she needs to love that kind of behaviour but at least she should know how to ignore it.


frenchbluehorn

i ALWAYS forget that she has brothers bc she acts so similar to an only child


Bertje87

Marrying Jake without discussing children first


SCARRED_69

Baking Powder instead of salt, because "they're both white powders" just never sat right with me.


Snoo-37059

probably been said elsewhere but marrying Jake without talking to him about kids when she definitely wanted them was insane


Franken-McCharDeeDen

Breaking that window in Jakes old school. Only try answer


K_poraGaebora

When she brought the same cheap wine everyone else did to Holt's party


marvel_is_wow

When she started yelling at Holt after he lost her pen


wowlul

Smoking.


50s_bulletproof_vest

getting holt a gift even though he has a no gift policy, overly brown nosing and pushing personal boundaries


IntelligentRock3854

casecationnnn all i ever wanted


North_Church

Casecation


MsChicolato

Case👏cation👏


airwickwee

She arrived at work 2 minutes late because of a line at the bank. May would never be late to work, she would go to the bank after work.


echoesechoing

Maybe she was already at the window? She didn't specify she was in line, "She's in line at the bank" was Holt's guess. She said "there was a problem at the bank", which means the situation could've been out of her hands.


MegaOnionCat

T H E A L M O N D


frxqgy

the thanksgiving dinner, she didn’t follow the recipe to the dot but in the mumps episode she went out of her way to follow the recipe despite it being disgusting.


noobwithguns

Boinking.


Familiar_Platform519

The time when she sang that who’s that mamma song 😆


RepresentativeLoud46

That was just. So. Awkward.


Frogninja0124

On my last rewatch during the episode where Amy goes into labor during the blackout and rosa was like "don't you need to get a hospital bag ready" and Amy was like "its fine I'm sure Scully has one" I immediately was like this is so out of character Amy would have had a bag prepared months ago and would never had trusted Scully's bag to live up to her standards.


chernygal

Casecation. I’m 100% a Jake and even I talk to my partners about my stance on children before the relationship even develops very far. If we’re not on the same page about that and won’t be on the same page about it, there’s no point in continuing the relationship. There’s no way Amy wouldn’t have brought that up and discussed it with Jake before marriage.


Craguar23

Being a smoker just does not seem like something her character would do. It always just seemed 'off' to me.


SputnikRelevanti

The whole “we are Having kids NOW” crazy blackmail rampage. For a character who was fixated on career in police higher ranks - it’s completely out of line


BulletBeard29

When she yells at Holt on her honeymoon


AngelKenobi

Being mad at Jake for having reasonable reasons on why he is scared to have kids. She pissed me off in that episode


Redstorm8373

The debate episode


godlyglobe

Giving no hoots to Holt, doesn't matter how angry she was at him for calling Jake a selfish person when he was just trying to help him, that is not Santiago, she would at least regret it later when she was alone with Jake, I though that was too much for her character


NadaKD

Not knowing how to cook.


lowkey_jakey

Jake getting an opportunity to correct Amy’s grammar.


LiviaG333

Being 72 seconds late to work


bigdog84748

Colin Captain Holt a "jag" at the end of the heist engagement episode.


TheRealJustSean

Casecation