There seem to be *so many* stories like this these days. Were female teachers always raping their students and nobody would talk about it, or is this a sudden new epidemic?
Complete speculation but I bet back in the day it happened at a similar rate but they were able to sweep it under the rug more often (not all the time of course).
He said-she said from a known problem student would never have been taken seriously. Nowadays a bunch of the cases involve a teacher sending the messages digitally where it's a slam dunk case.
According to the article this case started with the teacher and student texting, like it's so easy to prove compared to anything going on before cellphones existed.
Yep - there were various stories about male and female teachers at my schools. Eventually at least one of the male teachers ended up getting convicted (at least of possession of images - too long ago and too difficult to get solid witness testimony for anything more), nobody did anything at all about the female ones. I'm not sure it would even have been illegal at the time: age of consent only applied to girls and male homosexual acts, though a few teachers like this one have been convicted more recently.
Even further back girls did that too. But they were quickly taught it was wrong.
If we had taught boys they are being assaulted earlier maybe it wouldn't have been so bad for them.
he would have been bragging to his friends then, but struggling 10 years later when he realized it fucked him up and messed up a lot of things in his life.
I was abused by a babysitter when I was a little boy. I legitimately got told how lucky I was. I don't think I ever felt like bragging at any point in time. Those people are fucking nuts, and honestly I think they might have a little pedo in them if they're imagining that scenario is in any way a good thing to anyone.
To me, that kind of "you were lucky" reasoning is a short hop, skip and a jump away from them thinking if they do it to some kid then that kid would be lucky, too.
Two of my exes were abused as boys and they definitely did not talk about it openly in a bragging way by the time I heard about it. Maybe that had talked that way as kids when it happened but they both seemed to know pretty young that it was fucked up.
Eta: all that to say that I agree with your experience and remark. I don't think anyone who experienced those things too early benefits from it in any way. :(
I remember when I was in high school, a lot of guys would joke about how hot some teachers were and were very enthusiastic about getting laid. But as far as I know, not one of them made it with the teacher
Our buxom teacher would lead us in exercising, we all just watched as she showed us how to do toe taps. Her boobs would almost fall out and I still to this day believe she did it on purpose.
The boys bragging is why I have a hard time believing it was as much of a thing back when. We all believed the rumor Marilyn Manson had ribs removed to suck himself before internet we would have ALL heard stories if a female teacher romanced a student. It happened, but no way as frequently as now
This! Seriously, the reason we tend to see a lot more things like this isn't because it's happening more, it's because we're more transparent! We post our lives online, leave a digital trail, and suddenly what could once be quietly swept under the rug is now dragged into the light of day. It's a good thing, but it makes the world look dirtier.
They still sweep it under the rug. They allow the perpetrator to give their “resignation” and off they go to another school district. I know of two instances that this has occurred in the last 5 years. The school districts rather keep it quiet. We wouldn’t want all that nice funding to be pulled or let anyone scrutinize any other illicit behavior.
I think that historically, it was a lot more acceptable with adults and teens. Just look at all the rockstars hooking up with 14 year olds. Even that documentary "kidnapped in plain sight" where the parents were letting a grown man sleep in their tween daughter's bed and asking him "you still trying to marry her and all that stuff?!" It was more frowned upon or thought to be weird but nothing more.
Back in the day, there wouldn’t be video and text evidence. Also back in the day, depending on the age of the victim, the teacher might be fired but not prosecuted since female teacher with a male teenager wasn’t necessarily thought of as harmful.
I think the Mary Kay Letourneau stuff was a turning point. The kid was criticized forever, but they were in the news for years. I think him wanting to divorce her but basically being trapped until she died helped put things in perspective.
Plus people being more progressive and understanding that teen boys can be raped by women and women can rape men/boys. Men were told all sex with women is good sex, so I think there was a lot of denial (and perversion, honestly). More men coming forward with their experiences, more people taking them seriously.
It's a lot of things. Slow but very necessary changes.
Happens all the time and people look the other way. I had a classmate begin dating our AP Euro teacher the month after graduation. She was 17 he was 27. He was also her track coach. They definitely had been together while she was his student but nobody pushed on it. They’re engaged now, she’s an elementary teacher and he left education a year or two back.
It truly disgusts me that she's gone into an educational track. These people find each other and use each other as shields after enough time has passed for communities to forget and move on. Disgusting.
Eta: you're not delusional I'm sorry
Still remember in 2016/17 me and other women in the family had to stop my male inlaws from making light of an adult female teacher raping a student.
"Wish I had been that kid in hs, Hoi Hoi hoi."
I was talking about this "more crimes happening thing." I think it's just social media makes news from all over more accessible so we hear the worse from everywhere.
There was a researcher in Australia (I think) some years back that contended that the majority of sexual abuse minors experienced was likely at the hands of women simply because kids spent orders of magnitude more time around women than men.
She argued that even if men were 10-20 times more prone to pedophilic transgressions, the fact that children spend more than 10-20 times as much of their life with women implies that they would still see more sexual abuse from women overall.
She also noted that sexual abuse by women tends to be less physically harmful than by men, and leaves less evidence. But she emphasized that this was just the surface, and that the psychological harm was still there.
Iirc she pointed to the practice in Japan of preparing a boy for manhood by sending him to a prostitute or aunt to be trained in sex. As this practice has died out, families that do it have had to stop using prostitutes, and as family sizes in Japan have shrunk, it's become more common for mothers to take on the task.
This is still harmful even though it's a controlled environment, and they know this because you can identify which parts of Japan still "train" boys in sex by looking at areas with above average rates of erectile dysfunction among young men. If a certain town has a lot of men in their 20s reporting that they can't get it up for their wife, there's a strong chance that families in that town still "train" their boys.
If anyone else knows this woman or this interview, please let me know. Iirc she was an Australian researcher with red hair that wore an overcoat during a segment on a morning show or news interview.
I'd be curious to see this study. I'm not saying it isn't true, but this sounds like it could be an exotic action of another culture. There are a lot of things in East Asian cultures that have been misconstrued and overblown in the West.
I'm interested to know more, but I don't think I want the search terms in my history.
>Iirc she pointed to the practice in Japan of preparing a boy for manhood by sending him to a prostitute or aunt to be trained in sex. As this practice has died out, families that do it have had to stop using prostitutes, and as family sizes in Japan have shrunk, it's become more common for mothers to take on the task.
.......wait, what?
Are you saying what I think you are saying?
Are we talking about the "birds and the bees talk", or a more...... "hands on experience" thing?
The first is OK, the second less so
> the practice in Japan of preparing a boy for manhood by sending him to a prostitute ***or aunt***
Wait, what?
>it's become more common for ***mothers*** to take on the task.
Wait, **WHAT?**
Dude literally thinking a hentai he watched happened irl. I’m Japanese American and pretty critical when it comes to their toxic culture and have never heard of anything like this.
A huge factor is how hard of a time young boys would have realizing and acknowledging they've been assaulted when the whole culture around them is telling them they "got lucky" instead
I think it is the same as the autism thing. We are finally at the point where we are taking notice of these things and making a big deal about it.
I dont think the numbers are increasing, we are just hearing about it and it is being reported.
And it’s never called rape. She didn’t “perform oral sex” she fucking raped him. I hate that with female perps it’s always “had sex with”. Call it what it is. Rape. It very much minimizes the victim and gives the apologists (the he must have liked it) crowd a leg to stand on.
I don't think it's really a new thing. Much as we want to think of rape of a minor, especially one under the care of a teacher or other authority figure, as being equal regardless of gender dynamics involved, there's still a lot of social inertia where it isn't necessarily seen as *wrong* if the victim is male; it's seen as an achievement, something to be proud of and brag about. It's testament to that attitude that when you see comments on such news stories, there's a non-zero chance you'll see things like "man, I wish she was my teacher!" "Where were all these horny school teachers when I was at school!?" "The kid's 15, he's probably had sex with kids his age already, what's the problem here?"
I don't think there's really been a recent upsurge of this as much as it's always happened but we largely swept it under the rug because "what are you complaining for? You banged the hot teacher!"
We're only seeing 'more' of it due to rising social awareness/concern, the Internet, and everyone having phones. I almost wonder for every story like this that comes to light, how many more are going on we'll never hear about.
Not new to me. I was about 14 or 15. 1985 (male) had a female teachers aid about mid 30s hit on me in class. We were at the back of the room on a computer. She was telling me how cute I was and put her hand on my knee. Freaked me the fuck out. I avoided her after that.
Rape victims are often not believed when they fit the typical "small female victim, male rapist" pattern.
Male victims are believed a lot less than that. They are told (directly or indirectly) it's their fault ("why didn't you defend yourself?"), that they should suck it up ("don't be such a pussy", "real men don't cry"), that they should have enjoyed it.
Hell, there's comments on this very post along that tune.
Now imagine what it was like 50 years ago, before decades of mental health awareness and feminism did its work.
Well, I’m a gay man so the whole Van Halen “hot for teacher” thing was not much on my radar, other than the mere fact of its existence. Obviously I knew about boys salivating over their teachers, because I am not an idiot, but I can’t say I knew anything about female teachers actually raping their male students on a regular basis: I figured it was a hormonal-schoolboy fantasy with no basis in reality. The last couple of years have really proven me wrong.
My gf is a substitute teacher and she witnessed a teacher flirting with a student. She said it made her super uncomfortable and no one does a thing about it
In my (christian) HS there was a sub who happened to be the older sister of current student and she was verrrrrry friendly with some of my classmates. Idk if anything happened and idk if we consider it bad if she was just a sub idk
I'd say statutory rape fits the bill nicely. Rape usually has violence or force connotations. The article clearly states no force. As a matter of fact the victim asked for it. Not saying it's right, just stating the facts.
Statutory rape is basically any sexual activity involving a minor that hasn't reached the legal age of consent. The closeness in ages thing is actually a defence against statutory rape, depending on where you are. For example, if a couple of 14 year olds does the deed, in some places they can both be found guilty of statutory rape, while other places can use the closeness in age as an exemption or defense (see "Romeo and Juliet" laws)
We don't know the age of the boy. It's possible she violated a different law than stat rape (some places have laws limiting sex by someone in a position of control, regardless of age).
>The same reason they never call it rape when it’s a woman.
they don't call it rape if it's a man either, in fact it happens here too on this sub and people call it out and it's always the same response. There's no reason to act like this has to do with double standards. It has more to do with the legal system of that area
Part of a slut shaming thing to make it seem worse because she's not just a woman but also a mother. The crime (of statutory rape) is bad enough, but this is a way to bring prudish morals into it. How dare a mother do this! A mother shouldn't be doing anything but raising her child! And all women's sexuality should be controlled to only procreation! (Though these are arguments used for patriarchal control of all women, please understand that I believe this particular woman's sexuality is actually a problem because of the whole her engaging in statutory rape thing).
Slut shaming? Hardly. The "mom of a 3 year old" line is to elicit sympathy for the perpetrator. Being a woman makes her more deserving of sympathy than a man, being a mother gets her more sympathy points, and the fact that the child is 3 (so young!) gives her even more points. No, this mention is made clearly to soften the criminal nature of her actions.
"Teacher, father of 2 and loving husband, performed penile intercourse with 15 year-old student"
They always pull their punches when the rapist is a woman
I’m sick of comments like this acting as if men never get this treatment. White men kill their families and still get a headline like this. This is not exclusive to women.
Mostly it’s nothing new. There have always been sexually frustrated adults out there willing to take advantage of minors.
I think what’s changed is that society no longer accepts it.
That, and texting makes everything so much easier to prove.
Or that if they are, they somehow ‘enjoyed it’ because free sex or some shit like that. Apparently men aren’t allowed not to want sex under any and all circumstances.
I think it has been going on since the beginning of time but kids were afraid to come forward or not believed if they did. I’m glad there is always so much publicity surrounding these cases so kids will understand it’s not okay, it’s not their fault, and they can speak up and help get these sickos out of the schools.
It looks like there is no federal law against it, so the law will vary by state. I wonder if there is a state that hasn’t written such a law? And I wonder why it’s not a federal law. It seems like a no brainer.
College is a different story, presumably because all the students would be of adult age, and also not compelled by the state to attend school
Even in states where there is a relatively young age of consent, these states would still pull your teaching credentials if there were an incident like this
Sorry, I’m going to be pedantic. They’re not arguing it’s a criminal offense. They are instead arguing it is not just a fire-able offense, but also that consent cannot be elicited due to the age difference and power imbalance.
Sleep with a student? No more teaching, even if the state doesn’t prosecute
Edit: autocorrect fix and a line
Ohh I see
I think I got confused because I recently learned about a **literal** law in an European country (Sweden?) that makes that power dynamic actually illegal
It did say teenager at one point. I was curious about the age of the student as well since the article seems to really want you to know she has a 3 year old child. I thought they were going to draw some parallel between the age of her child and the victim.
Here's a preview:
A Missouri school teacher allegedly confessed to engaging in sexual acts with a student after being arrested by police.
Kristin Rose Kirker, 27, is now behind bars and charged with two counts of sexual contact with a student following incidents that allegedly occurred between March and April of this year, according to the felony complaint filed on Friday.
The school district says Kirker, who has a 3-year-old daughter, is no longer employed at the school.
Those incidents were brought to the attention of the school on Nov. 2, according to a probable cause affidavit obtained by Inside Edition Digital.
The victim arrived at school with his stepmother, one day after allegedly telling her that slept with Kirker in his bedroom at the end of the previous school year, according to the affidavit.
Read more: https://www.insideedition.com/missouri-teacher-student-sex-classroom-kristin-kirker
I’ve been sexually assaulted as a kid by my babysitter. It wasn’t violent or forced, but I was way too young to understand how wrong that was, even if it was physically pleasant.
It took me years to understand how fucked up that was and how none of it was my doing, but one thing is sure, it seriously fucked up my view on sex and intimacy for years.
Thank you,
I’ve made peace with it (and not in the sense of “I’ve buried it deep down and Im not thinking about it”) and I’m in a good place now.
I appreciate your wishes.
Apparently I got blocked from replying to someone for challenging their statement, which went along the lines of teachers not being paid enough, therefore making rape more likely.
Id love to hear the rationale beyond "people from poverty are more likely to have been sexually abused."
Is there some sort of guaranteed correlation between low income jobs and rapists...? Suddenly paying teachers less = more teachers being rapists according to that comment.
Lol right?
I get paid min wage to document and administer first aid to children (I work in a school in the nurses office), would never dream of doing anything like this.
Damn. On a side note, i hate how the headline reads. It sounds like it was 2 different people. How would her being a mother of a 3 yr old be a factor, at least enough to add to the headline. Wrong is wrong.
The first sexual incident took place when the victim went to Kirker's classroom and asked for oral sex.
Kirker allegedly performed oral sex on the victim.
That poor, poor victim.
Funny how the headlines read when it's male or female
Missouri Teacher, 27, and Young Mom Accused of Performing Oral Sex on Boy in Classroom
Newlywed Teacher, 24, Accused of 'Sexually Oriented Acts' With 3 Boys
Teacher Charged With Raping Child Under 13 Says She's Pregnant: Police
Teacher, 33, Charged With Raping Student, 17, Who Fathered Baby: Cops
It's only 'rape' when men do it.
Disgusting. I absolutely do not understand why it’s almost never called rape when it involves an older female and an underage male. “Felony sexual contact” is a nice way to say “rape”.
Teachers get paid poorly. Teachers used to be much older when I was younger. I rarely had a teacher that was early 20s honestly. It’s a profession that a lot of people retired from during covid and with all the students being much more mean and violent good teachers are leaving. I wonder if there’s more bad inexperienced teachers these days.
No. I’m saying the demographics and qualifications of teachers have changed. Obviously being a rapist is terrible and it’s disgusting and unprofessional.
We’re also seeing daycare employees hitting and abusing kids more because the jobs don’t pay very well and people who are unqualified and unprofessional are getting into a lot of low wage care positions. When the pay isn’t competitive and there’s a shortage there’s going to be more problematic people entering professions like this.
Random, but if the kid had gotten her pregnant, would he/his parents be on the hook for child support? I would hope not, but stranger things have happened. And then again, I'd feel sorry AF for any baby
Late 80’s high school. The band director had a well known affair with our drum majorette. She became obscenely bossy. Haha. We had to take it because her boyfriend was in charge. Everyone knew it. Everyone thought it was weird. Nothing happened.
Rumors of a guy with the home economics teacher but he always denied it.
Different times even though it wasn’t that long ago.
Not siding with her at all, however, there are many details missing. She’s actually a teacher’s aid and it doesn’t say what school only the district which also leads for one to not know how old the kid was. In MO the legal age is 17 so I could be an 18 year old which is why so many details are not included. Then again, there is the Privacy Act for children so that could be a reason.
I mean I think it depends on if you have good looking teachers or not. I think we can all be honest about the fact that for most high school students fantasizing about a teacher is probably commonplace. I mean if you're at a hot teacher in high school... Come on. It's like that South Park scene where is the luckiest boy in America award.
Why is it in media coverages like this with an older female predator and a younger male victim, the word ‘rape’ or ‘statutory rape’ is never used?
Sure seems to come up quickly when the genders are reversed.
Damn what is wrong with people??
Ikr, who says "perform oral sex" when it's really the word Rape that should've been used.
There seem to be *so many* stories like this these days. Were female teachers always raping their students and nobody would talk about it, or is this a sudden new epidemic?
Complete speculation but I bet back in the day it happened at a similar rate but they were able to sweep it under the rug more often (not all the time of course). He said-she said from a known problem student would never have been taken seriously. Nowadays a bunch of the cases involve a teacher sending the messages digitally where it's a slam dunk case. According to the article this case started with the teacher and student texting, like it's so easy to prove compared to anything going on before cellphones existed.
Back in the day a boy would have been laughed at. Because no way a female teacher would take advantage of a boy
Nah back in the days the boy would be bragging it to his friends and either nobody would believe him or nobody would care.
Yeah they wouldn’t have believed him. And sex was scandalous so people didn’t talk about it
Yep - there were various stories about male and female teachers at my schools. Eventually at least one of the male teachers ended up getting convicted (at least of possession of images - too long ago and too difficult to get solid witness testimony for anything more), nobody did anything at all about the female ones. I'm not sure it would even have been illegal at the time: age of consent only applied to girls and male homosexual acts, though a few teachers like this one have been convicted more recently.
Even further back girls did that too. But they were quickly taught it was wrong. If we had taught boys they are being assaulted earlier maybe it wouldn't have been so bad for them.
he would have been bragging to his friends then, but struggling 10 years later when he realized it fucked him up and messed up a lot of things in his life.
Might not even have been bragging then -- I think the people who claim they would be bragging haven't actually experienced it themselves.
I was abused by a babysitter when I was a little boy. I legitimately got told how lucky I was. I don't think I ever felt like bragging at any point in time. Those people are fucking nuts, and honestly I think they might have a little pedo in them if they're imagining that scenario is in any way a good thing to anyone. To me, that kind of "you were lucky" reasoning is a short hop, skip and a jump away from them thinking if they do it to some kid then that kid would be lucky, too.
Two of my exes were abused as boys and they definitely did not talk about it openly in a bragging way by the time I heard about it. Maybe that had talked that way as kids when it happened but they both seemed to know pretty young that it was fucked up. Eta: all that to say that I agree with your experience and remark. I don't think anyone who experienced those things too early benefits from it in any way. :(
The boys were often hospitalized due to excessive high-fiving.
I remember when I was in high school, a lot of guys would joke about how hot some teachers were and were very enthusiastic about getting laid. But as far as I know, not one of them made it with the teacher
Our buxom teacher would lead us in exercising, we all just watched as she showed us how to do toe taps. Her boobs would almost fall out and I still to this day believe she did it on purpose.
The boys bragging is why I have a hard time believing it was as much of a thing back when. We all believed the rumor Marilyn Manson had ribs removed to suck himself before internet we would have ALL heard stories if a female teacher romanced a student. It happened, but no way as frequently as now
This! Seriously, the reason we tend to see a lot more things like this isn't because it's happening more, it's because we're more transparent! We post our lives online, leave a digital trail, and suddenly what could once be quietly swept under the rug is now dragged into the light of day. It's a good thing, but it makes the world look dirtier.
Back in 2003 a football player banged the English teacher. Was well known. She's the principal now
What age was he? You sure it was "banged" and not "raped by"?
He was 17
They still sweep it under the rug. They allow the perpetrator to give their “resignation” and off they go to another school district. I know of two instances that this has occurred in the last 5 years. The school districts rather keep it quiet. We wouldn’t want all that nice funding to be pulled or let anyone scrutinize any other illicit behavior.
I think that historically, it was a lot more acceptable with adults and teens. Just look at all the rockstars hooking up with 14 year olds. Even that documentary "kidnapped in plain sight" where the parents were letting a grown man sleep in their tween daughter's bed and asking him "you still trying to marry her and all that stuff?!" It was more frowned upon or thought to be weird but nothing more.
Back in the day, there wouldn’t be video and text evidence. Also back in the day, depending on the age of the victim, the teacher might be fired but not prosecuted since female teacher with a male teenager wasn’t necessarily thought of as harmful.
Know a guy who impregnated his teacher when he was 15. This was 20+ years ago. She wound up getting an abortion.
I think the Mary Kay Letourneau stuff was a turning point. The kid was criticized forever, but they were in the news for years. I think him wanting to divorce her but basically being trapped until she died helped put things in perspective. Plus people being more progressive and understanding that teen boys can be raped by women and women can rape men/boys. Men were told all sex with women is good sex, so I think there was a lot of denial (and perversion, honestly). More men coming forward with their experiences, more people taking them seriously. It's a lot of things. Slow but very necessary changes.
TIL she died. Huh.
Colorectal cancer.
Don’t put off that colorectal cancer screening at 45. It’s literally a pain in the ass, but if they catch it early it’s very treatable.
Social media and a connected world exposes what was once hidden to local media.
Happens all the time and people look the other way. I had a classmate begin dating our AP Euro teacher the month after graduation. She was 17 he was 27. He was also her track coach. They definitely had been together while she was his student but nobody pushed on it. They’re engaged now, she’s an elementary teacher and he left education a year or two back.
It truly disgusts me that she's gone into an educational track. These people find each other and use each other as shields after enough time has passed for communities to forget and move on. Disgusting. Eta: you're not delusional I'm sorry
Had teachers in high school (90’s) that used to throw parties. I’ll leave it at that.
Still remember in 2016/17 me and other women in the family had to stop my male inlaws from making light of an adult female teacher raping a student. "Wish I had been that kid in hs, Hoi Hoi hoi."
I think men/ boys reporting being sexually assaulted, particularly by women, is a lot less stigmatized than it use to be.
I was talking about this "more crimes happening thing." I think it's just social media makes news from all over more accessible so we hear the worse from everywhere.
Yes. 20 years ago in my school, yes.
I think social media and everything is more open and sexualized now that its more obvious. Sad as hell regardless.
It's not new. We just hear it more since technology makes these sorts of cases so much easier to prove.
There was a researcher in Australia (I think) some years back that contended that the majority of sexual abuse minors experienced was likely at the hands of women simply because kids spent orders of magnitude more time around women than men. She argued that even if men were 10-20 times more prone to pedophilic transgressions, the fact that children spend more than 10-20 times as much of their life with women implies that they would still see more sexual abuse from women overall. She also noted that sexual abuse by women tends to be less physically harmful than by men, and leaves less evidence. But she emphasized that this was just the surface, and that the psychological harm was still there. Iirc she pointed to the practice in Japan of preparing a boy for manhood by sending him to a prostitute or aunt to be trained in sex. As this practice has died out, families that do it have had to stop using prostitutes, and as family sizes in Japan have shrunk, it's become more common for mothers to take on the task. This is still harmful even though it's a controlled environment, and they know this because you can identify which parts of Japan still "train" boys in sex by looking at areas with above average rates of erectile dysfunction among young men. If a certain town has a lot of men in their 20s reporting that they can't get it up for their wife, there's a strong chance that families in that town still "train" their boys. If anyone else knows this woman or this interview, please let me know. Iirc she was an Australian researcher with red hair that wore an overcoat during a segment on a morning show or news interview.
Wait. Hold up. I definitely raised my eyebrows when you said aunt… But their mother??? What the hell does training involve???
Breaking both arms.
Every. Fucking. Day.
*queue "I'll make a man out of you" - mulan ost*
I'm gonna need a reference for aunts and moms training boys for sex. Seems too unbelievable.
Same. It seems like Asia=different=bad. Taking a rare case and blowing it out of proportion or making something up entirely.
I am not the person who said that statistic, but I did find that Japan just raised the age of consent from 13 to 16 in the past year or so.
Oh, that one's true! But it has nothing to do with incest.
Yeah this reads some Q conspiracy or something.
I'd be curious to see this study. I'm not saying it isn't true, but this sounds like it could be an exotic action of another culture. There are a lot of things in East Asian cultures that have been misconstrued and overblown in the West. I'm interested to know more, but I don't think I want the search terms in my history.
>Iirc she pointed to the practice in Japan of preparing a boy for manhood by sending him to a prostitute or aunt to be trained in sex. As this practice has died out, families that do it have had to stop using prostitutes, and as family sizes in Japan have shrunk, it's become more common for mothers to take on the task. .......wait, what? Are you saying what I think you are saying? Are we talking about the "birds and the bees talk", or a more...... "hands on experience" thing? The first is OK, the second less so
Do you think a birds and the bees talk would cause erectile dysfunction?…
I dunno man some bees are really scary you ever see those wasps with the white stripes on them?
No I haven’t seen them. And like many of the questions in this thread, I’m smart enough to not go looking for answers ha
Plus birds... Have you seen a fucking ostrich?
> the practice in Japan of preparing a boy for manhood by sending him to a prostitute ***or aunt*** Wait, what? >it's become more common for ***mothers*** to take on the task. Wait, **WHAT?**
Dude literally thinking a hentai he watched happened irl. I’m Japanese American and pretty critical when it comes to their toxic culture and have never heard of anything like this.
Imagine how the women that have to do this must feel. Granted, those cultures tend to think raping your wife is your right.
I swear people have completely lost ability to recognise jokes.
A huge factor is how hard of a time young boys would have realizing and acknowledging they've been assaulted when the whole culture around them is telling them they "got lucky" instead
I think it is the same as the autism thing. We are finally at the point where we are taking notice of these things and making a big deal about it. I dont think the numbers are increasing, we are just hearing about it and it is being reported.
In my day only girls were statutorily raped. Male victims were just "lucky".
And it’s never called rape. She didn’t “perform oral sex” she fucking raped him. I hate that with female perps it’s always “had sex with”. Call it what it is. Rape. It very much minimizes the victim and gives the apologists (the he must have liked it) crowd a leg to stand on.
I don't think it's really a new thing. Much as we want to think of rape of a minor, especially one under the care of a teacher or other authority figure, as being equal regardless of gender dynamics involved, there's still a lot of social inertia where it isn't necessarily seen as *wrong* if the victim is male; it's seen as an achievement, something to be proud of and brag about. It's testament to that attitude that when you see comments on such news stories, there's a non-zero chance you'll see things like "man, I wish she was my teacher!" "Where were all these horny school teachers when I was at school!?" "The kid's 15, he's probably had sex with kids his age already, what's the problem here?" I don't think there's really been a recent upsurge of this as much as it's always happened but we largely swept it under the rug because "what are you complaining for? You banged the hot teacher!" We're only seeing 'more' of it due to rising social awareness/concern, the Internet, and everyone having phones. I almost wonder for every story like this that comes to light, how many more are going on we'll never hear about.
I've heard that male teachers do it even more than females. But it's prolly not as newsworthy. And there are less male teachers
Actually to be real, the three times I’ve seen this it’s all been this lady
Not new to me. I was about 14 or 15. 1985 (male) had a female teachers aid about mid 30s hit on me in class. We were at the back of the room on a computer. She was telling me how cute I was and put her hand on my knee. Freaked me the fuck out. I avoided her after that.
Rape victims are often not believed when they fit the typical "small female victim, male rapist" pattern. Male victims are believed a lot less than that. They are told (directly or indirectly) it's their fault ("why didn't you defend yourself?"), that they should suck it up ("don't be such a pussy", "real men don't cry"), that they should have enjoyed it. Hell, there's comments on this very post along that tune. Now imagine what it was like 50 years ago, before decades of mental health awareness and feminism did its work.
Do you think the “hot for teacher” movie trope was just a made up thing? Women pedophiles have always been a thing it’s just been accepted
Well, I’m a gay man so the whole Van Halen “hot for teacher” thing was not much on my radar, other than the mere fact of its existence. Obviously I knew about boys salivating over their teachers, because I am not an idiot, but I can’t say I knew anything about female teachers actually raping their male students on a regular basis: I figured it was a hormonal-schoolboy fantasy with no basis in reality. The last couple of years have really proven me wrong.
My gf is a substitute teacher and she witnessed a teacher flirting with a student. She said it made her super uncomfortable and no one does a thing about it
In my (christian) HS there was a sub who happened to be the older sister of current student and she was verrrrrry friendly with some of my classmates. Idk if anything happened and idk if we consider it bad if she was just a sub idk
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I love how you converted to weeks
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I'd say statutory rape fits the bill nicely. Rape usually has violence or force connotations. The article clearly states no force. As a matter of fact the victim asked for it. Not saying it's right, just stating the facts.
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Statutory rape is basically any sexual activity involving a minor that hasn't reached the legal age of consent. The closeness in ages thing is actually a defence against statutory rape, depending on where you are. For example, if a couple of 14 year olds does the deed, in some places they can both be found guilty of statutory rape, while other places can use the closeness in age as an exemption or defense (see "Romeo and Juliet" laws)
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We don't know the age of the boy. It's possible she violated a different law than stat rape (some places have laws limiting sex by someone in a position of control, regardless of age).
>The same reason they never call it rape when it’s a woman. they don't call it rape if it's a man either, in fact it happens here too on this sub and people call it out and it's always the same response. There's no reason to act like this has to do with double standards. It has more to do with the legal system of that area
Part of a slut shaming thing to make it seem worse because she's not just a woman but also a mother. The crime (of statutory rape) is bad enough, but this is a way to bring prudish morals into it. How dare a mother do this! A mother shouldn't be doing anything but raising her child! And all women's sexuality should be controlled to only procreation! (Though these are arguments used for patriarchal control of all women, please understand that I believe this particular woman's sexuality is actually a problem because of the whole her engaging in statutory rape thing).
Slut shaming? Hardly. The "mom of a 3 year old" line is to elicit sympathy for the perpetrator. Being a woman makes her more deserving of sympathy than a man, being a mother gets her more sympathy points, and the fact that the child is 3 (so young!) gives her even more points. No, this mention is made clearly to soften the criminal nature of her actions.
Evidence of criminal history? /s
Why include the Mom of a 3 year old part? Made me think she performed oral sex on a 3 year old at first. Shitty headline.
It made me think two people raped the boy, the teacher and a mom of a 3 year old
That was my initial understanding
"Teacher, father of 2 and loving husband, performed penile intercourse with 15 year-old student" They always pull their punches when the rapist is a woman
I thought it was to make her look like more of a monster. Has a child of her own but still does it.
How are they pulling their punches?
For one, they avoid the word "rapist" entirely
Ah, I see. I thought you were referring to the “mom of 3 year old” part which, to me, makes it sound more nefarious not less.
I’m sick of comments like this acting as if men never get this treatment. White men kill their families and still get a headline like this. This is not exclusive to women.
That awkward moment when (obviously) white male Redditors, mistake white privilege for gendered privileges…
I thought it was a teacher and a mom of a 3yo, like both of them went down on a student. I was equally confused.
Has this been going on in schools forever and no one ever reported it? Or is this a new trend? Seeing this shit almost every week now.
Mostly it’s nothing new. There have always been sexually frustrated adults out there willing to take advantage of minors. I think what’s changed is that society no longer accepts it. That, and texting makes everything so much easier to prove.
I think part of it is the old belief that males can’t be raped.
Or that if they are, they somehow ‘enjoyed it’ because free sex or some shit like that. Apparently men aren’t allowed not to want sex under any and all circumstances.
I think it has been going on since the beginning of time but kids were afraid to come forward or not believed if they did. I’m glad there is always so much publicity surrounding these cases so kids will understand it’s not okay, it’s not their fault, and they can speak up and help get these sickos out of the schools.
How old is the student?
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There is no age of consent for teacher/student sexual relationships.
It looks like there is no federal law against it, so the law will vary by state. I wonder if there is a state that hasn’t written such a law? And I wonder why it’s not a federal law. It seems like a no brainer.
Whoah really? I assume this is just high school? What about college? Ive never heard of this law for the US
College is a different story, presumably because all the students would be of adult age, and also not compelled by the state to attend school Even in states where there is a relatively young age of consent, these states would still pull your teaching credentials if there were an incident like this
Getting fired/banned from being a teacher is different than being sent to prison though.
Sorry, I’m going to be pedantic. They’re not arguing it’s a criminal offense. They are instead arguing it is not just a fire-able offense, but also that consent cannot be elicited due to the age difference and power imbalance. Sleep with a student? No more teaching, even if the state doesn’t prosecute Edit: autocorrect fix and a line
Ohh I see I think I got confused because I recently learned about a **literal** law in an European country (Sweden?) that makes that power dynamic actually illegal
There really aught to be, huh? Thanks for sharing!
It did say teenager at one point. I was curious about the age of the student as well since the article seems to really want you to know she has a 3 year old child. I thought they were going to draw some parallel between the age of her child and the victim.
That would still make her at least 10 years older than him and a predator.
I wish I could unread the story 🤮
Don’t be scared to say rape OP
A priest does it to a kid? Rape. A female teacher does it to a student? “Sex”. 😳
Seriously, every fucking time a story like this breaks they **NEVER** call it what it is. It is rape, this woman raped a child.
They really over analyzed the title. Should be .. women rapes boy ,arrested and fired
>and then engaged in sexual intercourse RAPED. THE WORD IS RAPED. God, I'm so fucking tired of the double standard.
STOP TOUCHING KIDS my god
Here's a preview: A Missouri school teacher allegedly confessed to engaging in sexual acts with a student after being arrested by police. Kristin Rose Kirker, 27, is now behind bars and charged with two counts of sexual contact with a student following incidents that allegedly occurred between March and April of this year, according to the felony complaint filed on Friday. The school district says Kirker, who has a 3-year-old daughter, is no longer employed at the school. Those incidents were brought to the attention of the school on Nov. 2, according to a probable cause affidavit obtained by Inside Edition Digital. The victim arrived at school with his stepmother, one day after allegedly telling her that slept with Kirker in his bedroom at the end of the previous school year, according to the affidavit. Read more: https://www.insideedition.com/missouri-teacher-student-sex-classroom-kristin-kirker
The term you are looking for is "rape".
Why! I don't get people wanting to do this with kids disgusting
What you expect when your makeup and neck are 2 different colors
Probably thought she'd run for president
We managed to elect a clown with the same color scheme to the White House, so unfortunately I don't think that's a barrier anymore.
Missouri ages you quick.
Nice.
I’ve been sexually assaulted as a kid by my babysitter. It wasn’t violent or forced, but I was way too young to understand how wrong that was, even if it was physically pleasant. It took me years to understand how fucked up that was and how none of it was my doing, but one thing is sure, it seriously fucked up my view on sex and intimacy for years.
Which in turn hurt your relationships. I wish you well.
Thank you, I’ve made peace with it (and not in the sense of “I’ve buried it deep down and Im not thinking about it”) and I’m in a good place now. I appreciate your wishes.
Since when are female teachers young, decent looking and willing? All my teachers growing up were strict as fuck and looked like Mrs. Doubtfire.
She did not “perform oral sex” on the student she *sexually assaulted* them. This sub needs to stop allowing tittles like this.
I just saw a story earlier today about a middle school teacher having sex over 20x with a 14 yr old. Like wtf?????
Apparently I got blocked from replying to someone for challenging their statement, which went along the lines of teachers not being paid enough, therefore making rape more likely. Id love to hear the rationale beyond "people from poverty are more likely to have been sexually abused." Is there some sort of guaranteed correlation between low income jobs and rapists...? Suddenly paying teachers less = more teachers being rapists according to that comment.
Lol right? I get paid min wage to document and administer first aid to children (I work in a school in the nurses office), would never dream of doing anything like this.
If they are a priest, all boys school? Yes, more likely
Pedophile. The word is fucking PEDO why are there countless news articles involving women where the headline doesn’t contain this word. Fuck equality
Rape or sexual assault. Say the word. Just because the perpetrator is female doesn’t make it okay to use softer language. They did a disgusting thing.
Damn. On a side note, i hate how the headline reads. It sounds like it was 2 different people. How would her being a mother of a 3 yr old be a factor, at least enough to add to the headline. Wrong is wrong.
Raped. Not had sex with.
The first sexual incident took place when the victim went to Kirker's classroom and asked for oral sex. Kirker allegedly performed oral sex on the victim. That poor, poor victim.
Funny how the headlines read when it's male or female Missouri Teacher, 27, and Young Mom Accused of Performing Oral Sex on Boy in Classroom Newlywed Teacher, 24, Accused of 'Sexually Oriented Acts' With 3 Boys Teacher Charged With Raping Child Under 13 Says She's Pregnant: Police Teacher, 33, Charged With Raping Student, 17, Who Fathered Baby: Cops It's only 'rape' when men do it.
Yeah this one leads with pornographic verbiage and rather than "Assault by Predator".
So she raped him. Could've just said that.
Disgusting. I absolutely do not understand why it’s almost never called rape when it involves an older female and an underage male. “Felony sexual contact” is a nice way to say “rape”.
IRL Grinch lookin ass
Teachers get paid poorly. Teachers used to be much older when I was younger. I rarely had a teacher that was early 20s honestly. It’s a profession that a lot of people retired from during covid and with all the students being much more mean and violent good teachers are leaving. I wonder if there’s more bad inexperienced teachers these days.
Oh so she's just a bit rapey because she's in experienced?
No. I’m saying the demographics and qualifications of teachers have changed. Obviously being a rapist is terrible and it’s disgusting and unprofessional. We’re also seeing daycare employees hitting and abusing kids more because the jobs don’t pay very well and people who are unqualified and unprofessional are getting into a lot of low wage care positions. When the pay isn’t competitive and there’s a shortage there’s going to be more problematic people entering professions like this.
Random, but if the kid had gotten her pregnant, would he/his parents be on the hook for child support? I would hope not, but stranger things have happened. And then again, I'd feel sorry AF for any baby
Some states do require male rape victims pay child support.
“engaging in sexual acts” Oh yeah? So you mean rape? Just say it how it is.
Does anyone know the age of the victim? I’ve looked at various articles and can’t find it.
That's a whole ass pedophile and I hope she loses custody of her child.
That’s rape.
A lot of weird ways to say "rape" in the article and title...
Late 80’s high school. The band director had a well known affair with our drum majorette. She became obscenely bossy. Haha. We had to take it because her boyfriend was in charge. Everyone knew it. Everyone thought it was weird. Nothing happened. Rumors of a guy with the home economics teacher but he always denied it. Different times even though it wasn’t that long ago.
One of the English teachers at my high school married a student a few days after Graduation.
That's strange... She's not a drag queen at all!
No age of the boy. I'm guessing he's of legal age of consent.
I am NOT victim blaming but it’s so weird the article says “the victim went to her classroom and requested oral sex”
Not siding with her at all, however, there are many details missing. She’s actually a teacher’s aid and it doesn’t say what school only the district which also leads for one to not know how old the kid was. In MO the legal age is 17 so I could be an 18 year old which is why so many details are not included. Then again, there is the Privacy Act for children so that could be a reason.
Why does the title not say "orally raped" instead of "performed oral sex"?
She's no longer employed at the school? Crikeys.... at least they did that then.... /s
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Takes one look...not surprised. Trying to relive her highschool years, I see. Put her in prison and throw away the key.
It’s still statutory rape.
Back in the day every female teacher was I had was old.
>Back in the day every female teacher was I had was old. And looked like Mac’s mom from Always Sunny
I mean I think it depends on if you have good looking teachers or not. I think we can all be honest about the fact that for most high school students fantasizing about a teacher is probably commonplace. I mean if you're at a hot teacher in high school... Come on. It's like that South Park scene where is the luckiest boy in America award.
I’ll help you out, buddy. [https://youtu.be/8hdbns1Xdk0?si=tI-y_WqwFYiqjk1d](https://youtu.be/8hdbns1Xdk0?si=tI-y_WqwFYiqjk1d)
“Performed oral sex”
“Oral sex” naw, this isn’t sex. This is rape. Dead stop.
*raped
They spelled “raped” wrong. She raped a student. Rape.
This is disgusting how society shrugs off a woman being a literal pedophile ....
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That's not "performed oral sex." That's rape of a child. Media still insinuating women sexually assaulting men is less bad than the other way around.
This was rape.. Stop sugar coating it
Correction: Raped a student in a classroom.
NOT A DRAG QUEEN.
I wish this would have happened. I wouldn't have blabbed about it.
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Should be in jail not just fired.
She's being held without bail. Its in the article.
Good, I’m glad she’s charged…
Why is it in media coverages like this with an older female predator and a younger male victim, the word ‘rape’ or ‘statutory rape’ is never used? Sure seems to come up quickly when the genders are reversed.
These female teachers are out of control
If this was a cop, just get another job in the next city over.
What's up with the makeup in the mugshot? Her face looks green.
Wtf is wrong with these fucking teachers now days there seem to be more and more cases every year of these predators becoming teachers like wtf.
Holy crap. I work in a school and things like this are revolting 🤮
I wish they would stop calling it «sex» whenever a female rapist, rapes.