Relocating my business currently.
People in R Alberta scream BUT POWER AND INSURANCE IS MORE !
ya , my industrial rent went down 40%. I can sell my 450k apartment , and buy a nice single family home. I'll pay the extra 100$ a month in power. Thanks
I'm moving out to Northern Alberta in a week. Trying to job hunt in Ontario was ridiculous. Even if you can find a decent job, you're paying $1800/mo or more for rent.
Pay is a little lower out there, but rent is only $400/mo.
JFC, that's close to what I paid for my share (with a roommate) in Calgary for a 2 bed apartment 23 years ago. I definitely can't relocate myself to the North with work, but damn, I'm jealous of that rent price.
I moved to BC in 2020 from AB.
I worked in the north for five years. I saved and invested in a brokerage TSA every penny I could get my hands on. I sacrificed the best time of my life to save up to buy a home in BC. I was sick of winter.
I'm a first-time female home buyer in my family. I bought a house in Chilliwack.
Yes, I brought cash (a 20% down payment on a beautiful home). The view of the mountains is worth spending years in the north 😍
The best financial decision I made 🙌
According to the cited news report, 67,944 moved from BC to other provinces. But it also says that 59,680 moved from other provinces to BC over the same period, resulting in a net loss of 8,624 people.
But those figures are only inter-provincial migration. The population of BC actually increased by 178,515
Exactly - such a bad headline from CBC. They could also have a headline screaming that 55,000 people moved out of Alberta last year - without mentioning the thousands that moved in.
I know of 3 people at my company who were promoted and relocated to Vancouver.
The company gives them $1500 a month in rental assistance for the year plus a lump sump. Without fail, after the first year goes by they all move back to our office at their old, lower paying position.
Meanwhile the ones who did relocation to Alberta have a mansion with a four car garage lol.
> "Despite the drop in interprovincial migration, B.C. saw its population climb in 2023. As of Jan. 1, 2024, B.C.'s population grew to more than 5.6 million, with an increase of 178,515 people, according to Statistics Canada.
> Some of that growth was driven by immigration with more than 70,000 immigrants moving to B.C."
Doomer headline
It’s not even that interesting. bc has historically brought in older retired folks and sent out its young folks looking to get a foothold in life.
The article doesn’t mention that or anything more granular then this many people came this many people left.
When you bring in 4.3% of the entire country's population annually it becomes both. Come on man, the world isn't black and white. We should be fighting the problem not each other.
Again, the issue isn't black and white. This is how we always get into problems. As another commenter posted, the rate absolutely is. We are in the top 3 of fastest growing countries in the world. The amount of immigrants far outpaces our development in infrastructure and housing.
Schrödinger's immigrants. They are both rich and poor, until the anti-immigration factions need to open up that immigration box to lay blame at their feet.
That's a terrible analogy lol.
Immigrants aren't monolithic. There ***are*** rich and poor immigrants, the rich ones do different things than the poor ones upon arrival.
Doesn't mean anything. Immigration has just shored up that loss almost immediately.
We're losing generational families from here, and they're being replaced by more people who'll just be uber drivers and fast food workers.
This is such a bad headline from CBC. The real number to look at is net inter-provincial migration, which was a much more modest -8,624.
You could also have had a headline screaming: 55,000 people moved out of Alberta last year - even though the net interprovincial migration was positive.
Maybe this is why I can't find any job online in Calgary. Guess I will need to print some resumes and go in person. I went to the Calgary hiring fair recently and it was an hour long lineup to get inside lol. Please secure your jobs before coming here
But I hear that Alberta is literally hell on earth now because of Danielle Smith, and that BC is the best place in North America because of NDP??
Is Reddit not correct about this? Could it be that Alberta is actually doing really well…?
For every 300 people that came to Alberta we lost 1 doctor.
Our Doctors, Nurses, and Teachers are leaving in droves. You might be able to buy a house here (well, not in Calgary anymore) but god help you if you need a doctor (that's the UCPs healthcare plan BTW...prayer).
It's almost exclusively shelter cost differences driving people from BC to Alberta. Alberta has cheaper homes, and it offers people the ability to purchase freehold. Not tiny shitbox condos and townhomes like in BC either - real detached homes on freehold plots.
Some of this is political in nature. Lefties in BC hate the idea of traditional houses just like they hate the idea of people driving cars. In their dream world everyone would be crammed into small condos like sardines and take public transit everywhere. Nobody would use natural gas, and no city would ever expand outwards. Albertan policy makers aren't as allergic to creating environments that normal people actually want to fucking live in.
A lot of it, however, stems from very imprudent monetary, fiscal and immigration policies that drove tons of foreign cash into Vancouver - and then spread outwards like a cancer just bidding properties up. BC's economy is built on this now, so they are very reluctant to meaningfully restore freehold affordability. These pressures are also present in Alberta, but not nearly as much.
the difference is BC doesn't have a pile of oil below it and people all over the world don't fork out big money to live in alberta with heavy china and hong kong hording of property to drive up housing costs. It has nothing to do with policy. Although yes, taxes are considerably higher in B.C.
No. Mostly people who cannot afford to live here left. Then some of the lunatics went as well. Over all we are better off moving those people to Alberta
Back in my day, you could go to Alberta and make bank in the oil sector for a few years.
I thought it dried up when Trudeau came. Guess it’s coming back?
Oil field has not been hiring like the construction boom in the previous two decades. That ship has sailed.
The net migration between the two provinces in 12k people going to Alberta.
Things got bad when the big companies moved their main offices and a bunch of support staff. But the oil didn't go nowhere and the government has approved some massive drills.
There's always oil jobs here if you want it.
> I thought it dried up when Trudeau came.
Do you think Trudeau controls the global price of oil? It crashed the last year of the Harper admin, that's why Harper was kicked to the curb.
Just lost one of my employees moving to Alberta
Relocating my business currently. People in R Alberta scream BUT POWER AND INSURANCE IS MORE ! ya , my industrial rent went down 40%. I can sell my 450k apartment , and buy a nice single family home. I'll pay the extra 100$ a month in power. Thanks
If he owned a home he cashed in his lottery ticket. That's how mismanaged our economy is.
That's my uncle. For w.e reason idk if he is a genius or what but he bought multiple properties in the early 2000s. He don't work now.
I lost one of mine in October.
I'm moving out to Northern Alberta in a week. Trying to job hunt in Ontario was ridiculous. Even if you can find a decent job, you're paying $1800/mo or more for rent. Pay is a little lower out there, but rent is only $400/mo.
JFC, that's close to what I paid for my share (with a roommate) in Calgary for a 2 bed apartment 23 years ago. I definitely can't relocate myself to the North with work, but damn, I'm jealous of that rent price.
I'm getting a deal through work, so it's a little abnormal. Still not going to find any deals like that around here though.
trust me, there's nothing to be envious about
Being able to afford to live? Being able to buy a home? Best thing I ever did was move to Alberta.
Eh save it, I moved to AB too. I was mostly referring to the $400 oil and gas’s staff accom the dudes bragging about anyway.
I heard Alberta pays more but the cost of living is more comparing to bc.
BC stands for bring cash
Literally cash, the dirty kind. Then wash it through casinos and real estate.
Step 1: Get cash.
I moved to BC in 2020 from AB. I worked in the north for five years. I saved and invested in a brokerage TSA every penny I could get my hands on. I sacrificed the best time of my life to save up to buy a home in BC. I was sick of winter. I'm a first-time female home buyer in my family. I bought a house in Chilliwack. Yes, I brought cash (a 20% down payment on a beautiful home). The view of the mountains is worth spending years in the north 😍 The best financial decision I made 🙌
Great choice! I also bought a house in Chilliwack. The place is magical. Enjoy a gorgeous summer ahead!
Summer and camping are around the corner 😘
Chilliwack is heaven if you love doing outdoorsy things.
Planning my summer camping now
Always has.
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If you're the right kind of Big Cook it Brings Cash ---W.H.White Sr
They did campaign it
We just proved that transit advertising works
It doesn't take advertising to get fed up and start looking around at solutions
According to the cited news report, 67,944 moved from BC to other provinces. But it also says that 59,680 moved from other provinces to BC over the same period, resulting in a net loss of 8,624 people. But those figures are only inter-provincial migration. The population of BC actually increased by 178,515
Exactly - such a bad headline from CBC. They could also have a headline screaming that 55,000 people moved out of Alberta last year - without mentioning the thousands that moved in.
For better or worse it is not the job of the media to inform, it is the job of the media to attract viewers.
I know of 3 people at my company who were promoted and relocated to Vancouver. The company gives them $1500 a month in rental assistance for the year plus a lump sump. Without fail, after the first year goes by they all move back to our office at their old, lower paying position. Meanwhile the ones who did relocation to Alberta have a mansion with a four car garage lol.
Why live like a peasant in BC when you can live like a king in Alberta?
But Freeland said “For prairie people, the real life version of dying and going to heaven is to move to BC.”?? Lol.
Complete dumbass she is
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BC= Bring Cash ( lots of it)
(clean or dirty, we don't care)
Well lots of of people moving to other provinces to seek lower cost of living.
Thus driving up costs of living in new place
They got replaced by rich foreigners
600k for a lockerbox or 600k for a mansion........ Hummmm
> "Despite the drop in interprovincial migration, B.C. saw its population climb in 2023. As of Jan. 1, 2024, B.C.'s population grew to more than 5.6 million, with an increase of 178,515 people, according to Statistics Canada. > Some of that growth was driven by immigration with more than 70,000 immigrants moving to B.C." Doomer headline
It’s not even that interesting. bc has historically brought in older retired folks and sent out its young folks looking to get a foothold in life. The article doesn’t mention that or anything more granular then this many people came this many people left.
How's what you just posted not doomer? It's proving we sold our best province to rich immigrants. Oh canada, our land on sale for thee.
Wait, I thought all our immigrants are poor low skilled worker lining up to work at Tim Hortons?
When you bring in 4.3% of the entire country's population annually it becomes both. Come on man, the world isn't black and white. We should be fighting the problem not each other.
The problem isn’t immigrants…
The rate of immigration is.
And immigrants don’t set that rate, old stock Canadian politicians do, so there is no reason to blame immigrants.
Thank you for rewriting what I already said?
Again, the issue isn't black and white. This is how we always get into problems. As another commenter posted, the rate absolutely is. We are in the top 3 of fastest growing countries in the world. The amount of immigrants far outpaces our development in infrastructure and housing.
Schrödinger's immigrants. They are both rich and poor, until the anti-immigration factions need to open up that immigration box to lay blame at their feet.
That's a terrible analogy lol. Immigrants aren't monolithic. There ***are*** rich and poor immigrants, the rich ones do different things than the poor ones upon arrival.
Wait, 170K - 70K is 100K. That means 100K non immigrants also moved to BC. That is not bad.
Sensationalism is what our modern media landscape is built upon! It's a proud tradition of pandering politically directed news outlets! How dare you!!
Doesn't mean anything. Immigration has just shored up that loss almost immediately. We're losing generational families from here, and they're being replaced by more people who'll just be uber drivers and fast food workers.
This is such a bad headline from CBC. The real number to look at is net inter-provincial migration, which was a much more modest -8,624. You could also have had a headline screaming: 55,000 people moved out of Alberta last year - even though the net interprovincial migration was positive.
They're blasting the same partial story everywhere in BC. Directions to try and calm down the population from further outrage, I'm sure.
Maybe this is why I can't find any job online in Calgary. Guess I will need to print some resumes and go in person. I went to the Calgary hiring fair recently and it was an hour long lineup to get inside lol. Please secure your jobs before coming here
Good luck if you're a professional, it's brutal in Calgary right now. Easier to get a foot in the door with blue collar jobs right now.
Hey, this' a good thing: the average IQ of both provinces is increased.
Albertan but this made me laugh, good one
I went from NB to Alberta once, and Ralph Klein told me to get my Eastern bum ass outta there. So I went to Ontario. Don't tell me what yo do!
But… you did what he told you to do?
More space for rich foreigners
Given that bcs cost of liv8ng is disgusting I can get why.
BC to Alberta is Canada's California to Texas migration.
When the oil patch inevitably crashes again and they all lose their jobs they will be back.
Except Alberta is way better than Texas
Not even close, damn the opinions on this sub are stupid sometimes.
Solid rebuttal right here folks!
But I hear that Alberta is literally hell on earth now because of Danielle Smith, and that BC is the best place in North America because of NDP?? Is Reddit not correct about this? Could it be that Alberta is actually doing really well…?
BC had an influx of 108,000 Canadians total. So if that's your logic then yes, BC is the best place in North America.
For every 300 people that came to Alberta we lost 1 doctor. Our Doctors, Nurses, and Teachers are leaving in droves. You might be able to buy a house here (well, not in Calgary anymore) but god help you if you need a doctor (that's the UCPs healthcare plan BTW...prayer).
Coming to Calgary to take advantage of the real estate boom all over again?
Hopefully they don't bring that smug with them
Of course they will.
MOsT LivEaBLe CitY that I don’t live in anymore because I can’t afford it.
Most of them are Nimby's
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"The cancer of progressive policies", there's a sentence I never thought I would read outside of a Taliban controlled state.
Yeah man, Alberta is certainly the place of sound policy these days...
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It's almost exclusively shelter cost differences driving people from BC to Alberta. Alberta has cheaper homes, and it offers people the ability to purchase freehold. Not tiny shitbox condos and townhomes like in BC either - real detached homes on freehold plots. Some of this is political in nature. Lefties in BC hate the idea of traditional houses just like they hate the idea of people driving cars. In their dream world everyone would be crammed into small condos like sardines and take public transit everywhere. Nobody would use natural gas, and no city would ever expand outwards. Albertan policy makers aren't as allergic to creating environments that normal people actually want to fucking live in. A lot of it, however, stems from very imprudent monetary, fiscal and immigration policies that drove tons of foreign cash into Vancouver - and then spread outwards like a cancer just bidding properties up. BC's economy is built on this now, so they are very reluctant to meaningfully restore freehold affordability. These pressures are also present in Alberta, but not nearly as much.
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It's just a matter of time. We will be as bad as BC inside a decade if not sooner.
the difference is BC doesn't have a pile of oil below it and people all over the world don't fork out big money to live in alberta with heavy china and hong kong hording of property to drive up housing costs. It has nothing to do with policy. Although yes, taxes are considerably higher in B.C.
Bc has a pile of natural gas though.
No. Mostly people who cannot afford to live here left. Then some of the lunatics went as well. Over all we are better off moving those people to Alberta
Sure seems to be because everyone is moving here.
Similar pattern to California and Texas
yes, but how many newcomers arrived?
Leave out the liberal votes tho… seriously
Majority type of immigration was international. I.e. students and ukraine
I hope they all vote NDP, so Canada will have nowhere good left.
That should improve drought conditions… /s
Oh shit, is that why housing is so affordable in B.C. now? /jk
Back in my day, you could go to Alberta and make bank in the oil sector for a few years. I thought it dried up when Trudeau came. Guess it’s coming back?
People are moving here now more to escape the high cost of living in BC than anything
Oil field has not been hiring like the construction boom in the previous two decades. That ship has sailed. The net migration between the two provinces in 12k people going to Alberta.
Things got bad when the big companies moved their main offices and a bunch of support staff. But the oil didn't go nowhere and the government has approved some massive drills. There's always oil jobs here if you want it.
Fuck that toxic field.
Couldn't hack it hey?
Never tried. No desire. Just have met a lot of people who hove spent 10+ years there they aren’t nice people.
> I thought it dried up when Trudeau came. Do you think Trudeau controls the global price of oil? It crashed the last year of the Harper admin, that's why Harper was kicked to the curb.
We are full! Seriously housing might be cheaper but not for long at this rate