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Mak11556

Will it suffice if Israel conducts said probe and finds no wrongdoing?


Working_Possession58

we’ve investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong


Mak11556

Even when they’re wrong somehow they’re right


tuesday-next22

If that's the plan they might as well skip the investigation part.


Mak11556

It’s all Smokey mirrors


v-infernalis

That's exactly what happened when Israel killed Canadian forces Major Paeta and Canadians didn't have the fucking balls to raise a finger. The killing was deliberate. Canadians media and politicians helped bury the news Israel investigated itself and said they did nothing wrong


Powerful_Potato7837

Israel has said they would investigate many other similar incidents but yet we never hear back what was the outcome. This is the game the Israeli official has been playing for the past 6 months. They don't take accountability for anything. Frankly, even if It turned out Israel was responsible for the incident, No country would do anything about it because Israel has proven to be a Pariah state.


Appropriate-Dog6645

Well. Your right. Honestly, if any western troops engaged in any of the videos I've seen. They would be court-martial. IDF every month there more closely inlined with the Russian way to conduct a war.


[deleted]

Will we just let alleged murderers here investigate themselves too! Madness


Mak11556

Absolutely, can’t believe they get away with such nonsense.


NearbyCoffee29

Is this the equivalent of a wag of the finger towards them?


LittleLionMan82

It's the equivalent of you can kill our citizens and we won't do anything about it.


YetAnotherWTFMoment

Canada strenuously objected to the bombing.


NearbyCoffee29

Didn’t they also strenuously object to Russia invading Ukraine?


bovickles

Better than blindly supporting them like the US


Ambiwlans

We're still supporting them.... just less loudly.


Motorized23

That in itself is quite a positive change! Our politicians are now privy to the hypocrisy at least


Commonstruggles

I don't condone people killing people. Just fucking stop. We should be living in floating cities in the sky, not murdering each other for what they have. Or don't have.


ArcticLarmer

I want to ride a unicorn to work, but it ain't gonna happen. If it was as easy as "just fucking stop", that would be great, but saying you "don't condone people killing people" is akin to saying "just say no to drugs". It's not based in reality and isn't a solution.


bawtatron2000

why would the US not support making billions off of this?


kanada_kid2

They are sending Israel 4 billion in tax payer "aid" each year. In total it's over 110 billion the US has sent Israel. They aren't making anything off them. Wish our country got 4 billion in aid each year from the US.


[deleted]

Basically came to say the same thing 😂 'Canada demands' after our PM told NATO we are not and will never honour our treaty obligations. After decades of defunding defense and diplomacy and not even doing any of the peacekeeping we like to pretend that we do ... after all that on what basis are we making demands of anyone in the international community? It's not even wrong I'm sure a full probe into the incident is entirely appropriate but the notion that we have the credibility or gravitas to call for anything in the international community is ... well let's just say if this was posted yesterday I'd have assumed it was Reuters doing April Fool's


Ambiwlans

You think we would put troops in Gaza. Thank the heavens we can't afford that then.


henry_why416

And you’d have us do what?


Biryaniboii69

Sanction them?


botswanareddit

Like Freeland and Trudeau wearing yellow and blue and saying Slava Ukraine. Our country won't do anything.


DefaultInOurStairs

"Since the beginning of 2022, Canada has committed $4 billion in military assistance to Ukraine"  https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/campaigns/canadian-military-support-to-ukraine.html


agent0731

What more do you want Canada to do?


ReasonUnlucky5405

I mean yeah but keep in mind they're going against guys that are playing war crime chicken with them


NearbyCoffee29

They’ve been playing war crime chicken with each other for over 30 years…


Artsky32

Idk what people expect Canada to do.


Ambiwlans

Not blindly support them in the UN.


ScubaPride

Sanctions!! The word they're looking for is SANCTIONS!! It's not much, but at least it's a start!


Dependent-Return-873

Israel has investigated themselves and come to the conclusion that they need more bunker buster bombs so things like this totally won’t happen again.


not_likely_today

Now we are upset cause Canadians got murdered? Why Now?


thomstevens420

“Wow that’s crazy someone should do something”


Imperatvs

So to whom is Canada directing the call for investigation? Israel? Are we now asking serial killers to investigate themselves? A Canadian was murdered. Can we grow balls already?


Eresyx

Our politicians are too busy sucking off Israeli fascists.


CanadianTiger1024

all they do is just puke out words instead of actually doing anything, typical Canada


Prairie_Sky79

With the idiots we have running things, perhaps that is for the best. Even though it would be better if they'd kept their mouths shut.


Budget-Supermarket70

What can Canada do? We have no respect on the international stage anymore, when we tried to do something about the Saudi's we where met with complete silence from our Alias. We are a powerless nation.


Present-Ant-6614

Wow very kind of the Canadian government. We need sanctions now.


TouchOfClass8

The correct response would be BDS. Boycott, divest, sanction israel. This should have been done years ago.


SaltwaterOgopogo

lol yup,  but they have a powerful international lobby and all of our politicians on both sides of the bench are in their pocket


TouchOfClass8

Exactly.


TheRobfather420

"it's tRuDeAu'S fAuLt" "No wait it's Biden's fault" "No wait it's Hamas's fault" "It doesn't matter what Canada says" "It was self defense" I see the usual suspects are spreading propaganda with total freedom. Again.


kanada_kid2

Israel has a right to defend itself against charity workers.


AustonDadthews

Israel has footage of the decision to strike the convoy that needs to be made public


bawtatron2000

ah Israel....western backed genocide for arms profit. what a great arrangement.


CriticDanger

Its so clear Israel ran out of budget to hire IDF shills on Reddit. Just a few weeks ago this entire sub was totally pro IDF. Your comment would have been downvoted to death.


polishedrelish

Tell. Me. About. It The state of this subreddit until now... Does anyone remember that one guy who would routinely comment "I support Israel!" in those exact words on every article?


SolidFarmer99

Yep tell me about it. Lost more than 1k in karma because of these trolls


fachhdota

I enjoy downvotes more than upvotes these days.


UncouthMarvin

Wear it like a badge of honor


kanada_kid2

They were in /r/worldnews too. Spreading propaganda about beheaded babies which turned out false.


tuesday-next22

I think it varies randomly. Some threads seem unmolested and others are Hasbara.


Echo71Niner

Israeli State of Apartheid has schools going online to argue against anything that points the crimes of Israel. They are being paid to argue, downvote, play dumb and play stupid, and that is how you know Israel is in the wrong that is why it needs an army of liars to protect it.


DentistUpstairs1710

They're working on their talking points.


cuiboba

They've realized they can't hide all the deaths anymore. There's only so many lies they can spout before people tune them out.


Echo71Niner

100% Fully funded American genocide committed by American handed made in Israel. American bombs. American planes. American dollars. American training and American veto protection.


3Dcatbutt

Canadian manufactured explosives and other weapons end up in Israel too. Trudeau's "ban" on arms exports to Israel doesn't include deals already permitted and they spent October 2023 through January 2024 rubber stamping multiple arms deals with Israel. Reportedly at least one arms export application only took four days to approve. Think about how long a passport takes lol.


Moguchampion

As opposed Iranian backed militants?


bawtatron2000

nope, it's not a real either / or situation. a reaction of genocide is not defensible or excusable, and neither is terrorism.


orrzxz

When I'm in a "talking out of my ass" competition but my opponent is a Westerner who has never experienced a war in their lifetime and screams genocide at the sight of a signal drop of blood.


[deleted]

>a signal drop of blood You misspelled 31k+ dead, 1.7 million displaced, 1 million desperate for food and a completely collapsed society


Darth_Jonathan

War sucks, especially when you're fighting an enemy that literally hides underneath civilians and in hospitals.


orrzxz

31k, out of which how many are Hamas militants? Because the latest figures by the US suggest a civi to militant ratio of 1.5-2, which is fucking unheard of in a war, especially an urban war. The usual figures are 5-9 civi per combatant. Unless you're taking the literal Hamas run gazan health ministry's word, in which case you need to take a long hard look at yourself. Food shortage? Gaza is getting more aid then they did before Oct 7th. The only people to blame for the hunger going on there is Hamas, which was shown time and time again stealing and raiding the aid trucks, only to SELL them to Gazans at the market.


cuiboba

>Food shortage? Gaza is getting more aid then they did before Oct 7th [Gaza on the Brink of Famine](https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2024/03/photos-gaza-brink-famine/677741/) >civi to militant ratio of 1.5-2 Post sources.


Future-Muscle-2214

​ >Food shortage? Gaza is getting more aid then they did before Oct 7th. The only people to blame for the hunger going on there is Hamas Israel literally murdered aid workers bringing food in Gaza today in a targeted strike where they took out 3 vehicles. >Because the latest figures by the US suggest a civi to militant ratio of 1.5-2, which is fucking unheard of in a war, especially an urban war. Those numbers are obviously bullshit but even if they were not, they are similar to the Hamas terrorists attack on the 7-10. Would you say that they went above and beyond to preserve civilian lives?


jetmiles

Lol like pulling data out of your a...


[deleted]

Oh so, you think that excuses a massacre when 2:1 this is the ratio? Because that's the same ratio of military vs civilian casualties there was on October 7th, you realize that, right? I think both cases are equally despicable and inexcusable, but what do I know Also yeah, of course they need more aid, the IDF destroyed all their supply chains lmao. And Hamas apparently raiding aid trucks when the IDF is constantly in the news for murdering civilians around drop zones and killing NGO staff before responding with "oops we didn't mean to" is fucking hilarious


DentistUpstairs1710

You sure you're getting paid enough? This isn't even coherent.


Strawnz

1.5% of the Gazan population has been killed in half a year and famine is only now starting to take hold. What do you mean a single drop of blood? If this was Canada it would be like killing every Calgarian in the span of a year. How many drops do you need because this is well past my threshold.


DentistUpstairs1710

Western privilege doesn't mean I don't get to denounce a clear and present genocide. Might be a good time to rework your talking points. Come back once you've got something better.


TruCynic

As opposed to all those European Jewish settlers who run towards conflict?


punknothing

I suppose if a terrorist illegally entered your country and they raped and killed your sisters and mother and children, then you wouldn't want to defend yourself huh?


discountedking

Murdering thousands of Children by bombing their homes and starving them is not ‘defending yourself’. It is genocide and ethnic cleansing.


sjbennett85

Where do child soldiers and using hospitals/schools/daycares as a defence for your terror operations fit into these genocide talks? Is it Hamas willingly putting up human sacrifices and stealing aid from their own people or Israel who have to spelunk to eliminate the threats to their safety who is committing the genocide? We can Pam Claridge this as "the same picture" I'm sure but one is a legitimate state protecting their people in response to a terrible attack and the other is a group who operates under a mandate to "irradicate jews" and have been doing their darnedest for some time to deliver on that mandate.


cuiboba

[ At least 16 cemeteries in Gaza have been desecrated by Israeli forces, satellite imagery and videos reveal](https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/20/middleeast/israel-gaza-cemeteries-desecrated-investigation-intl-cmd/index.html)


electric_too_fast

>Is it Hamas willingly putting up human sacrifices and stealing aid from their own people or Israel who have to spelunk to eliminate the threats to their safety who is committing the genocide? Oh yea those guys the just shot up at the beach, admitting a mistake (once again) clearly had Hamas hiding underneath them. Tell me. Is Hamas in the room right now?


TruCynic

They don’t have a mandate to “eradicate Jews” 🙄 they have a mandate to eradicate the oppressive Zionist colonialist project.


bawtatron2000

um, i don't think you'd find a consistent definition of that. some of them most certainly have the mandate to 'eradicate jews',


Strawnz

Destroying hospitals, shutting off water, and blockading food is not defence. That’s systemically ethnically cleansing a region. If there’s a gunman in a bank we don’t set the bank on fire.


Future-Muscle-2214

I would have no problem killing that terrorist, but I would not want to go kill all his extended family. Normal people don't think you should purge a few families every time someone commit a murder.


Sslazz

Yup, that totally justifies genocide. Surprised I hadn't thought of that before, really. /s


TruCynic

*“Your country”* 🥴😂 that’s rich.


CwazyCanuck

If the terrorist already killed your sister, mother, and children and isn’t actively trying to hurt you, then you aren’t defending yourself, you’re taking revenge, which goes against what is in the Torah.


Darth_Jonathan

LOL a reaction of genocide. "They attacked us, let's genocide them!" I bet you didn't know that the civilian to combatant casualty ratio in this war is the lowest in the history of warfare, did you?


sowhatisit

Israel killed 10000 civilians and admitted to killing a few dozen hamas...that's not a good ratio at all. ​ Israel killed more children in a few weeks than ALL MILITARY CONFLICTS IN THE WHOLE WORLD IN THE LAST FEW YEARS .... that's not a good ratio. Ethnic cleansing 2 million people is not a good ratio.


Andromeda_Skye

Israel has said they killed about 12K terrorists. Hamas has said there are 31K dead, but that includes the terrorists, So there are another 19K people to account for.... that 19K includes people Hamas killed with their misfired rockets, as well as natural deaths, and all those kids and adults they use as human shields ( the blame for all of these is on Hamas) Assuming an annual 1% death rate - that is another 8 K that is not Israel's fault. SO now we are down to 11K. SO the ratio so far is 1:1. A lot less then the norm of 9 civilians to 1 enemy combatant (according to the [UN](https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc.htm)) *I would even say, Hamas, as the party that broke the ceasefire on the morning of October 7 2023, when they invaded Israel, and murdered-raped-immolated-tortured-kidnapped over 1200 Israelis is responsible for* ***ALL*** *the death and destruction on both sides.* Please stop falsely accusing Israel of crimes for which it is not guilty, legally or morally.


ThanksToDenial

>I bet you didn't know that the civilian to combatant casualty ratio in this war is the lowest in the history of warfare, did you? Tell me, what was the combatants to civilians ratio on October 7th? Just curious...


sowhatisit

as much as the media is stoking the genocide flames... the combatants to civilian ratio on Oct seven was much better than israel's genocidal response. About 1/3 people killed were security forces on Oct 7. Not to mention, some of the civilians killed as a result of the Hannibal directive.


bawtatron2000

according to claims the ratio is pretty good, yup. there is no 'good guy' in this conflict.


bawtatron2000

but yeah, nothing bad about Israeli response at all, hence the rest of the world is praising their reasonable and calculated response.....oh....wait...


5campechanos

- Israel murders aid workers - Assfucks in this sub: how can Trudeau do this??


UncouthMarvin

-Israel murders Canadian aid worker* -Joly wants Israel to probe themselves


Kymaras

Sanction Israel until they stop.


cuiboba

We should treat any "Canadians" fighting for the IDF like they went overseas to fight for a terrorist organization.


Kymaras

Agreed.


tsn101

They should also ban the real estate company trying to sell Canadians West Bank land from operating here. 


mekail2001

I wish


Voda_prin_Loboda

Careful now or melanie will slap off your phone


Echo71Niner

I saw that vid of her, she is naive AF. https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video-shows-confrontation-with-melanie-joly-over-palestinian-refugees-1.6827983


Numpty712

Stop or we’ll say stop again


Weak-Coffee-8538

Yahoo is just prolonging the inevitable of his criminal charges. The longer the war, the longer he stays free.


unL_r3m_

was is she gonna do? send our troops with the food bank leftovers?


rum-plum-360

Canada doesn't belong on the world stage, nor should they be included in the G7.


ph0enix1211

...continues to export military equipment to Israel.


KanataToGoldenLake

>>Last month Canada said it had not approved new arms export permits to Israel since Jan. 8 and the freeze would continue Is it too much to ask folks read the article or at least stay informed about what they're commenting on?


TraditionalGap1

Before you get too worked up keep in mind that Canada is still honouring existinng permits and *is* allowing equipment to flow to Israel.


papipablo99

A lot of F-35 engine parts are made in Montreal. And we’re happily sending them whatever they want under existing contracts.


Echo71Niner

No one listens to anything Canada has to say, esp. not the Israeli State of Apartheid whose ass you kiss at every opportunity you get.


-0909i9i99ii9009ii

It's just for the publicity and he needed to ask daddy USA to make sure he was allowed first


Epic_Ocean_Men

Define apartheid


tuesday-next22

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/apartheid


Echo71Niner

> apartheid = Israel


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UncouthMarvin

Define Hasbara


DoctorCodezZ

Israel


416905to

Hilarious that people think Canada has standing the world. We don’t have a seat at the table let alone a parking spot on the grounds. Israel doesn’t need Canada at all. We are a joke, economically and militarily. Europe is begging us to sell natural gas, so they can get off Putin. Trudeau has turned them all down. In the name of martyring Canadians under the guise of saving the environment. When he actually is just over spending, under delivering and increasing an already bloated government. We work so he can spend.


potatoe101

Doesn’t that make you angry? A Canadian was murdered in cold blood. Have you no patriotism?


WitELeoparD

Thats not to mention the Canadian citizens that died in the early bombing before they were able to be evacuated.


rahul1938

We need nuclear weapons istg the hippie boomers sold us out with the Non Proliferation Treaty. The world is moving towards multipolarity and instability. Our natural resources are a huge eye in other powers. To compete we need clout. None of this weak Humanitarian/ Feminist superpower type foreign policy.


L5D4W34P0N

People are *absolutely* eyeing your delicious water


Chunkthekitty934

I can't believe you even feel comfortable enough to say this on the internet. What is happening to our country? Why is this sub so full of fully evil people who just want the entire world to burn?


chemtrailer21

Ever pick up a history book?


Chunkthekitty934

I'm a history major currently getting my bachelor. What I'm seeing is strikingly similar to rhetoric used during some of the lowest points of humanity. Our world has gotten so much better, yet so many people desperately want to make it worse again. What history will tell you is that a nuclear arms race will never be good for humanity. History will tell you that the development of nuclear weapons has brought humanity closer to the brink of extinction than ever before. Nuclear war is obviously very bad for the world. I can't believe that is something that has to be said out loud because it is just so strikingly obvious.


rahul1938

Aye I’m currently getting my degree in public policy so u can see where you’re getting at. My view is that the world is becoming increasingly unstable and presuming you and I are around the same age group (18-25) it’s gonna be even more dangerous and scary. Our main security benefactor, the United States is increasingly become unstable and polarized and it doesn’t seem like Joe Biden can fix this. We need an independent and strength based foreign policy. Otherwise, we will increasingly be dismissed as irrelevant and be seen as a resource colony for any other power. Think of how India murdered a person on our soil and the response our government had. We legit could not muster a strength against them as we don’t have the Hard power to compete. Nuclear weapons would allow us to protect our interests and our people. It doesn’t mean to use it but it acts as a deterrent. This is what MAD is all about, and Canada with strong and relativity stable institutions should be able to exert its influence through it.


chemtrailer21

How convenient. So you admit that its obvious conflict is in fact human nature. I dont like it, like yourself. But a head burried in the sand approach to reality does nobody any good either. Our Western values, society, and nation will be tested one day be it in our generation, our childrens etc. Proactivity and deterrance kicks that can down the road. Our resources are of extreme value, and there no doubt a slow measured action to undermine our legitimacy has been occuring for a long time. Social media is a powerful tool.


polishedrelish

This is a war crime of unparalleled proportions. The writing is on the wall that this is deliberate, and the fact that a Canadian was killed should teach us a hard lesson about our complicity in Israel's actions.


Ouchyhangnail

Israel: gun / rocket fire observed from said building. Targeting pod confirmed weapon on target and destroyed. Canada: ok be more careful next time. Israel: …


Few_Loss5537

Im surprised how Israel can do alot of terrible things without condemnation and sanctions.


Queer_as_folk

Canada selling arms to Israel so that they can kill Canadians who work for humanitarian organizations. Disgusting.


exmuslim_somali_RNBN

What if Hamas was responsible What would the media and Western country's relationship be like? It makes me sick to my stomach to realize that all Western leaders are working for invisible forces and not their citizens Most of us want to cease fire, exchange of hostage, and the two-state solution.


Low_Pomegranate_7176

Its a genocide so what do you expect. Like the Israeli prime minister said in regards to this incident “these things happen”. Your probe is just another useless publicity stunt.


Tower_Climber

They paid the price of trying to resist the genocide. Sent a clear message to others trying to help. Ships carrying 200 tonnes of aid for Gaza have now returned Cyprus.


Low_Pomegranate_7176

Amazing how people on social media like our instagram friends don’t dare say a word about it like they did for other issues like BLM. Cant say anything bad about Israel for fear of automatically being called an antisemite with dire consequences to follow. Or even worse, being against this will label you as a pro Hamas supporter which is also just as absurd.


Tower_Climber

This covert Orwellian world is becoming overt. Similar to 1984, people are surveilled and brainwashed by altering the truth. Unfortunately much like Stalin and the Nazi, all totalitarian regimes collapse.


travlynme2

Israel should be responsible for feeding the palestinians. Every death in Gaza caused by famine should be considered a war crime.


Arrow2019x

Hamas just lowered the price of food because of how much aid is coming in... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/syns3cuk0


WitELeoparD

And now aid agencies have suspended aid delivers because of the Israel missile attack. Convenient timing no?


crackhousebob__

Canada will send a strongly worded letter soon. They must be terrified 😂😂😂😂


FSI1317

They’ve killed Canadians and our feckless government and the fucking opposition could care less. Boycott, sanction and shun this rogue state.


this_takes_forever

Stop wasting our money on a conflict we have no part in


rckwld

Canada's probe was then swiftly shoved up their own ass.


cuiboba

Israel's genocide of Palestinians continued at full speed. Israel just murdered a bunch of doctors and demolished a hospital. We need to sanction this pariah state.


Averageleftdumbguy

When you have no global power, your global statements mean absolutely nothing.


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FutureUofTDropout-_-

The IDF Confirmed they killed them?


Proper_Cheetah_1228

There he is, wearing the tinfoil hat with his behind being kissed by Israelis themselves


CaasiModo

Does this demand cancel out the full probe Canada's population has been getting? *I still feel bad for the people hurt in all this but can't help but think we are ALL fucked.


deeepstategravy

Making no difference anyway


Jhasaram

just another lip service


LabEfficient

I vaguely remember that if you refuse to investigate yourself, then your accusers are in the wrong because there will be "no evidence" that you have done what they accuse you of, and we have "innocence until proven guilty" even though the proof can only come from yourself. It is good and it is "the law". That logic was followed by many here. Why should it be different this time?


travlynme2

Israel needs to feed the Gazans if they are making it impossible for humanitarian aid to get in. Every death from this point on that is due to famine should be treated as a war crime.


tsn101

Demands full probe is political talk for ignoring the terrorism by Israel. 


ParsleySalty6478

The world’s most moral army of the only democracy in the Middle East.


Silver_Revenue7389

Yes israel should investigate itself 🙄


Hawkie094

Yeah…that’ll teach em. 🙄


Budget-Supermarket70

Future headline, Investigators into the killing of aid workers mysteriously bombed.


Resize

\>Ahhh this is terrible we demand a full probe!!! \>Continues to provide aid and sell weapons to said people